Crunchyroll Anime Awards 2018 Winners

DeepRiver said:

In a way, yeah, he's a plot device, because he did cause a lot of moving pieces for the current story.
However, it was still his character that made that impact in the first place.

He has ambitions, a goal/dream, and a conviction that he puts over his own safety and freedom.
He has real motives, he's not just a bad guy to get in the MC's way, he has his own personal drive.
So he's still his own person. Just because he a catalyst to move the plot doesn't mean he isn't involved in the plot himself.Especially currently that he is been hinted at reapering and getting involved in the story again.

I think we can clearly say that he has the impact, motives, design and powers and level of threat for many people to consider him be the best villain and is not only a plot device...

DeepRiver said:

When in the world ive said that Stain is overall the best villain in existence? perhaps i should clear mysefl but i was refering to why people chose him as the best over the other nomines that aired in the 2017. Neither Kira or Satou were in 2017, and Funny isnt even animated yet for god knows how much time, theres no point to bring Griffith neither. If Kira were one of the nominees i would inmediately chose him with closed eyes and i was one of the people who was mad that he losed against the shitty one from Erased last year . However im totally fine with this one, considering the competition and that i find Stain a solid choice overall.

By the way, just saiying that Stain was a throw away villain is just plain wrong when exacly he had the proper impact in the plot and characters and even that still present in the manga to this day. Just as the people you mentioned he is aswell a villain and a plot device, the difference with the people you mentioned is mostly the duration they were on the series and the kind of antagonist they are. Kira, Griffith and Funny are the main antogonist of their own series to begin with,
almost everything that happens in the series wil almostl lead to them, Stain isnt even the main antagonist of BNHA is just more as an arc villain of short duration that had its sustantial apport and impact in the lore of the series. And Saiying that he hasnt motives or relatable or presence is just play out wrong when precisely all his ideals, personality traits and methods were all over the place affecting psychologically one of the main characters turning him in almost a different character and making the MC and true main antagonist of the series (Shigaraki) reflexioning about certain things, if anythig has his own morals and motives to do the things he does, making the characters and wacthers of the show relate to him and being one of the reasons why various characters choose him over the competition., saying he was just a "Hero killer " is simplyfiquing his character a lot when there were obviously more than that.

Stripes said:
Well BNHA didn't win AoTY so can y'all honest shut the fuck up.

I didn't even think it'd win Best OP or Best Girl. << The wrong OP nominated and wrong girl won???

But I can justify everything else it won. You all know it's a popularity content.

Kittens-kun said:


We knew that it was, but it doesn't mean we have to be happy about it. MHA didn't deserve all of the awards it got.

Stripes said:


I don't think so either. But people act as if something in the vein of Sword Art was sweeping, at least it's something solid and the best show of last year won the biggest award.

-Lofn- said:
Really? I think Stain is an incredibly lackluster villain and Todoroki was fine.

Kittens-kun said:


MiA actually deserved the awards it won though.

JohnDoe995 said:
This was quite disgusting. " Best film Your Name "
best animation boku no hero academia 2 ? wtf ????

At this i only agree with made in abyss as anime of the year, but everything else sucks. This is even worste than last couple years...

Whiskeyjack1k said:


This is only the 2nd year, they started last year

JohnDoe995 said:


Nah, i remember in 2015 i was voting for couple of shows.

DeepRiver said:


When in the world ive said that Stain is overall the best villain in existence? perhaps i should clear mysefl but i was refering to why people chose him as the best over the other nomines that aired in the 2017. Neither Kira or Satou were in 2017, and Funny isnt even animated yet for god knows how much time, theres no point to bring Griffith neither. If Kira were one of the nominees i would inmediately chose him with closed eyes and i was one of the people who was mad that he losed against the shitty one from Erased last year . However im totally fine with this one, considering the competition and that i find Stain a solid choice overall.

By the way, just saiying that Stain was a throw away villain is just plain wrong when exacly he had the proper impact in the plot and characters and even that still present in the manga to this day. Just as the people you mentioned he is aswell a villain and a plot device, the difference with the people you mentioned is mostly the duration they were on the series and the kind of antagonist they are. Kira, Griffith and Funny are the main antogonist of their own series to begin with,
almost everything that happens in the series wil almostl lead to them, Stain isnt even the main antagonist of BNHA is just more as an arc villain of short duration that had its sustantial apport and impact in the lore of the series. And Saiying that he hasnt motives or relatable or presence is just play out wrong when precisely all his ideals, personality traits and methods were all over the place affecting psychologically one of the main characters turning him in almost a different character and making the MC and true main antagonist of the series (Shigaraki) reflexioning about certain things, if anythig has his own morals and motives to do the things he does, making the characters and wacthers of the show relate to him and being one of the reasons why various characters choose him over the competition., saying he was just a "Hero killer " is simplyfiquing his character a lot when there were obviously more than that.

DeepRiver said:


First, how you can say he is fodder when he has killed 17 pro heroes and crippled a bunch more (in which Idas brother is listed in), overhelming 3 of the strongest students without trying much (it was stated he was holding back the whole time), and his bloodlust making the N.2 hero and All Might teacher to scare the shit out of them and all of that without even a flashy quirk, if anything the guy is a big deal in the Bnha verse. Hell, you can say he was a plot device all what you want, but by that logic almost the 90% of villains should be considered as that, since they are the ones who takes care of a chunk of the plots to move forward. Bondrewd is an even bigger and more descarate plot device than him, considering how random and how small his aparation was, meanwhile atleast with Stain we had chance to know more about him, his drives and nature.

There are multiples ways for a villain to impact the story and some just with being strong is enough, but in Stains case it was precisely his personality linked with his ideals what twisted the story, his presence was all over the place since his first apparition and his effects will be lasting in the long run, hell the last episode of the season is a clear example of what his presence is to the story. What "true motivations you are talking about"?, the show made very clear his backstory and reasoning to what led him to be what he is today. He wanted to be a hero like All Might, who in his eyes is a true hero in its most pure form, he always followed the original ideal of what a hero represents, that who puts his life in the line to save others, the one who never doubts about his duty and favors the self sacrifice, all with the neccesary strenght to do it. Stain is a complete puritan of the heroism. But In a society where 80% of the population have super powers, many people would grow to become heroes, and others villains. However, some people would grow to be heroes only because of the fame, fortune, and rewards that come with a hero. Rather than saving people because it's the right thing to do, they do it for selfish reasons. This even gains more weight when you are aware of all the details and pieces building in the series before and after his events, someone like Bakugo wanting to be a hero just because he wants to be the best, Uraraka for the money, Mineta for being popular with girls, Endeavor doing horrible things in the background just to ascent to being the N1 hero, Mt lady seek for fame, Uwabami potography secctions with Momo and Kendo. etc

He brings the question of what is the true meaning of being a hero, giving more layers to the story and world of Bnha, not to mention how it affects psychologically characters like Ida, Shigaraki and Deku. We know his motivation, his struggles and his drive enought to sympathice with him and understand him even tho he may be an extremist, because of his ideals is the reason why he decides to not kill Deku and later save him, because he sees on him a man in the same vein of All Might, somenone with the values of a true hero, something similar happened with Todoroki later on, thats why he decides to kill Ida because instead of defeating him to save Native, is all about revenge instead, Stain even teaches Ida about how he should act."Forget about yourself for a second and try saving others. Don't wield your power for your own sake. Because getting trapped by your own hate and acting out of pure self-interest... makes you the furthest thing from a hero".All of that gives a lot of depth to his character, and not everthing about him is going to be trown at your face especially since he is hinted to come back in the future. Is a very methodical villain with a lot of details that gain a lot of weight in how they are linked to the core themes of the series, thats why a lot of people likes him, sympathize with him and like to analyze his character and create a lot of discussions and debates surrounding him, so you saiying that the only appeal is just because he looks like a "Teenage ninja turtle reject" is just straight retarded.

Not sure if you're American but a good equivalent to Stain here could be the large number of mass shooters. Something unprecedented happens and the media takes it and runs. Creating dialogue on many fronts that change the landscape of the environment the populace lives in. Stains actions had many implications in the BnHA world that put the heroes competence in question and also raised the number of villainous activity in the world.

He marked a pivotal changing point in MHA. His ideology was used like a martyr, to inspire and move the villains under one banner. It turned the perception of a group of ragtag villains simply angry at society into a organization following a single ideology.

And Stain was the start of it all. I cannot speak for everyone, but I think his popularity is not unfounded.

EurekaLuke said:
Of course Made in Abyss and MHA will take most of the awards.

EurekaLuke said:


Mmm AOTY is debatable, but yes it definitely deserved Best Score

SeidouTZ said:

He is cannon fodder because he is presented as nothing more then a one-shot villain that was thrown into the story with the only purpose in mind of driving this idea that more characters with the same ideology would show up. If there was build up to his characters or if he was a very charismatic individual shown to have a big group of followers beforehand everything might had been more believable, but as it stands his whole presence was simply hollow.

A character can be categorized as a villain base on what he/she does in the story, however what makes it stand out as a good one is not something that should be measured by ideals alone. There needs to be more to the character otherwise it just comes off as one dimentional.
People are free to theorise as much as they want, the problem however is that the show doesn't give us anything substantial to comment on it to rationalize his motives. Yes he stated multiple times that he doesnt like heroes that only strive for fame or any other selfish ulterior motives, yet he kills indiscriminately most of the times and seem to be off the ideology that only All Might can be consider a "true hero". Why he thinks this way is not clear. What happened to him that resulted in him having this extremist mindset is not clear.
Instead of exploring his character, what we are left with is a very shallow villain that we can only trully know something about upon reading the spin-offs because the series was incapable of doing something with him.

Also the "Teenage ninja turtle reject" remark was meant to be a joke, just satirizing the fact that the resembles are there. Tho if anything is a cool design i cant denny that so take it as a compliment.

In regard to your statement on Bondrewd i completely disagree. If you watched the series closely, prior to his debut there was a lot of exposition in which was mentioned that he is one of the legendary White Whistles as well as what that entails. Some time afterwards when he makes his apperence we got to know that he is incharge of the experiments on the 5th floor in order to enable their descend to the 6th floor and return without falling victims of the curse.
In the little show of his character we got to know he has no disregard for human life as long as humanity is able to achieve new heights from their sacrifice. His own actions were also the direct cause of everything that happened to Nanachi as well as her whole character and emotional struggles at the end of the season 1. Saying he is a plot device in the same vein that Stain is incorrect.

DeepRiver said:


Being introduced suddenly isnt anything of a problem, and even makes sense considering the perspective the story is being told, which is from kids attending at school to become heroes, all from a very safe and controled enviroment, they arent supposed to be much aware of what happens outside of the school, introducin him crippling Idas brother having a completely change of tone from all that was happening in the UA games was something very fitting, and we were entering a new arc. The reason why Stains ideology was spread was mostly because of the media who showed with detail the reasoning and nature of him, the media is a very powerful thing in Bnha, Ideals spread with the media. Given how media is affecting the world in BnHA like media would in the real world, Stain's ideology will attract a lot of people, which isnt something unrealistic by any means, he didnt needed followers who spread it for him to begin with.

The show indeed explored his character trough his actions in the story and how he interact with the different characters such as heroes like Ida, Deku and Shoto and also villains like Shigaraki and Black Mist, you just are downplaying it for the sake of it, you dont need an obnoxious flashback to hand holding you and tell you every single detail. The way he thinks like that is very clear in the aftermatch, he was basically someone like Deku, who considered a hero to be someone who saves others putting his life on the line without expecting gratification, and due to being so passionate and fanatic about that though, he started to make chats in colleges to promove that feeling, but seeing how nobody cared about him and his opinions and how capitalized the title of a hero had become, meanwhile people think that a hero is "wathever cool because of the title" he became extremely intolerant which impulse him to go really far to kill any person that call himself a hero and dont fills his standards. Is all very clear but you just act as if you didnt even watched it. And all is that for now since his story hasnt even come to full cicle yet.

It looks like we wont get to any kind of agreement so lets just agree to disagree (and thats includes the Bondrewd segment aswell.)

mika-chi said:

That's true, but in my opninion these results for BnHA are more deserved than last year's results with Yuri on Ice. For example voting YoI as best animation was complete bs, there were definitely more anime/studios with better animation than YoI. For this year, Bones *is* a pretty good studio, and even though I think one of the KyoAni anime would have deserved the title the most, I still think it's reasonable and not just what the fans like the best. All I can say is that comparing BnHA to YoI is pretty rude. YoI was/is popular because it "contained gay relationships" and BnHA mostly because of a good story AND characters, guess why both best girl and boy are from this anime..
lmao anyways, this is not just directly to you but also everyone who compares these two anime.
that's it.