| I get it that they're KyoAni and that they have their special way of making anime. But I was wondering: if they can get good sales with previously unknown series, then they would have even better sales with popular stuff, ain't that right? Because it would unite both the new fans and the old fans, which would mean twice the money. But they don't do that. Instead of adapting stuff like Danmachi, Re:Zero, SAO, or even Eromanga-sensei (bear in mind I'm not talking about quality here, just about popularity), they choose to adapt Euphonium, Chuu2, Violet Evergarden... That doesn't make any sense to me. They used to adapt really popular Key VNs, but they don't anymore... You might say: because popular stuff is bad and they care about quality. Well, Phantom World is not known by its quality either and they still went with it... Any ideas? |
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| Well Kyoani has its own Light novel company (or whatever it is) and they just adapt works from that company. Plus why do they have to adapt popular LN stuff? Just because it is popular doesn't mean that it is good! |
| I mean Euphonium was pretty popular Chuu 2 was really popular, and you can also add Kobayashi-san chi no Maid Dragon. Koe No Katachi had a ton of hype. I think it's more you aren't really keeping track of what actually is popular and assuming the only popular shows they made were Key VNs. |
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| if I remember correctly it has to do with Haruhi after the author stopped writing they had nothing more to adapt so they don't want to risk that happening again as such they now adapt LN that their own company makes |
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| when you have a company that produces semi cult classic light novels for you to adapt and bypass any payment needed why bother with other stuff lol, i mean, they also adapted koe no katachi so there's tat at least |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
| Well, it adapted Koe no Katachi 'recently' right? I'm still waiting for KyoAni to animate some popular hentai though. |
Deknijff said: if I remember correctly it has to do with Haruhi after the author stopped writing they had nothing more to adapt so they don't want to risk that happening again as such they now adapt LN that their own company makes As far as I know, Haruhi Suzumiya's two seasons roughly adapted 3 of the novels (no idea, in which novel the story of the movie takes place) and there are 10 novels. Even if the autor doesn't continue the series, there's material for several seasons. So I can't imagine, that that's the reason. |
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| If they went back to adapting shitty key VNs I'd be depressed. I'm actually enjoying KyoAni focusing mostly on random stuff way, way more than wasting their animation quality on these generic melodrama VNs. This way it's hit or miss instead of only being miss. |
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| Cause the artstyle are almost the same |
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| Probably to promote the Light Novels they sell. It's a win-win situation for them in that they are making anime whilst also boosting the popularity of their books. |
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starlessn1ght said: I get it that they're KyoAni and that they have their special way of making anime. But I was wondering: if they can get good sales with previously unknown series, then they would have even better sales with popular stuff, ain't that right? Because it would unite both the new fans and the old fans, which would mean twice the money. But they don't do that. Instead of adapting stuff like Danmachi, Re:Zero, SAO, or even Eromanga-sensei (bear in mind I'm not talking about quality here, just about popularity), they choose to adapt Euphonium, Chuu2, Violet Evergarden... That doesn't make any sense to me. They used to adapt really popular Key VNs, but they don't anymore... You might say: because popular stuff is bad and they care about quality. Well, Phantom World is not known by its quality either and they still went with it... Any ideas? OP you're talking about Re:Zero as if it was already really popular before the anime, but this certainly wasn't the case. Almost nobody knew about it before. |
| yes, as other people said, many of their new anime are from their own light novel label (namely, chuu2, knk, phantom world, violet garden; tamako & free also have a ln) this means both they don't need to share money with the publisher of the source material, and that all LN sales boosts go directly to them |
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starlessn1ght said: You might say: because popular stuff is bad and they care about quality. Well, Phantom World is not known by its quality either and they still went with it... Any ideas? Hey, you just answered your own question. XD I guess they didn't want to? Maybe they have better artistic freedom when they adapted stuff that are otherwise not very well known and wouldn't have fans shouting at them for improving on the source material by changing stuff around. |
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Light- said: Probably to promote the Light Novels they sell. It's a win-win situation for them in that they are making anime whilst also boosting the popularity of their books. Then why don't other companies do the same? |
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| KyoAni has some sort of light novel contest thing that they do. The winners get published and the top ones an anime adaptation, iirc. Violet Evergarden came to be from this. But your question doesn't make that much sense. Each studio has its own style. Escaping from that is quite a risk for the sales and also can be an insult to what they've been building thus far. For a studio like KyoAni, that's known for Haruhi, Clannad, Nichijou and the like and has succeeded, has no reason to try out those type of shows that you mentioned (which are already overdone in themselves). Phantom World happened, and from what I've heard it seems they've learned their lesson. Violet Evergarden hype. |
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aj_nn said: KyoAni has some sort of light novel contest thing that they do. The winners get published and the top ones an anime adaptation, iirc. Violet Evergarden came to be from this. But your question doesn't make that much sense. Each studio has its own style. Escaping from that is quite a risk for the sales and also can be an insult to what they've been building thus far. For a studio like KyoAni, that's known for Haruhi, Clannad, Nichijou and the like and has succeeded, has no reason to try out those type of shows that you mentioned (which are already overdone in themselves). Phantom World happened, and from what I've heard it seems they've learned their lesson. Violet Evergarden hype. Well, not every studio has it's own style. In fact KyoAni is one of the few studios that has a consistent enough staff to be able to have it's own style. They're more of an exception tho, the bigger studios like A-1, Madhouse, Production IG, TMS etc... all emply a lot of freelance workers that change from project to project and there isn't really any stylistic red string in all of their works. It's what makes KyoAni so special, along with a few others like Trigger who have a similar business model. |
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Pullman said: aj_nn said: KyoAni has some sort of light novel contest thing that they do. The winners get published and the top ones an anime adaptation, iirc. Violet Evergarden came to be from this. But your question doesn't make that much sense. Each studio has its own style. Escaping from that is quite a risk for the sales and also can be an insult to what they've been building thus far. For a studio like KyoAni, that's known for Haruhi, Clannad, Nichijou and the like and has succeeded, has no reason to try out those type of shows that you mentioned (which are already overdone in themselves). Phantom World happened, and from what I've heard it seems they've learned their lesson. Violet Evergarden hype. Well, not every studio has it's own style. In fact KyoAni is one of the few studios that has a consistent enough staff to be able to have it's own style. They're more of an exception tho, the bigger studios like A-1, Madhouse, Production IG, TMS etc... all emply a lot of freelance workers that change from project to project and there isn't really any stylistic red string in all of their works. It's what makes KyoAni so special, along with a few others like Trigger who have a similar business model. Actually, you're right. And for that at least, they deserve respect. |
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starlessn1ght said: Light- said: Probably to promote the Light Novels they sell. It's a win-win situation for them in that they are making anime whilst also boosting the popularity of their books. Then why don't other companies do the same? I assume it is because they'd rather ride off the popularity of known manga/light novels from established light novel labels. Making an anime out of these is almost guaranteed success. Why take risks like what KyoAni does when they can just play it safe? By risk I mean this: KyoAni holds a competition each year for original novel and manga and the best submissions ie. those who win/get honorable mentions have a chance of becoming an anime. This is how shows like Kyoukai no Kanata and Chuunibyou came into existence. edit: looks @aj_nn already said it for me :P |
TheBigGuy said: hmmmm Deknijff said: As far as I know, Haruhi Suzumiya's two seasons roughly adapted 3 of the novels (no idea, in which novel the story of the movie takes place) and there are 10 novels. Even if the autor doesn't continue the series, there's material for several seasons. So I can't imagine, that that's the reason.if I remember correctly it has to do with Haruhi after the author stopped writing they had nothing more to adapt so they don't want to risk that happening again as such they now adapt LN that their own company makes is that really the cause? From what I remember I was told they almost adapted up to the latest Novel after both seasons and the movie came out |
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starlessn1ght said: I get it that they're KyoAni and that they have their special way of making anime. But I was wondering: if they can get good sales with previously unknown series, then they would have even better sales with popular stuff I'm just going to quote myself since I'm lazy Red_Tuesday said: There's a balance to be made between costs of licensing IP and paying your own staff. In video games for example, it is not uncommon for big name IP licensors to be skeleton crews in their first few ventures. (Warhammer 40K wave of shovelware, anyone?) I imagine it's similar in anime, if you have a big in-house staff you also need your own idea people, to either identify cheap IPs early enough (CD Projekt Red and The Witcher, anyone?) to adapt at a low cost, or to make your own original work that isn't shit. Because giant well known IPs will tend to sell well regardless if they're good or not. This is more a consumer problem than a producer problem, of course. Until people stop supporting shitty cash-ins on their favourite IPs, production is going to remain shit. Kyoto Animation have historically had good idea people who choose lesser-known but highly marketable IP to adapt, or make their own original work sellable enough, to support a big animation staff. You simply can not imagine the 24 carat gold testicles it takes to take a look at the first volume of Nichijou and say "Hey, you see that amateurishly drawn gag manga? Let's take that, and make it our animation masterclass." Not to mention being the money guy to approve it. TL;DR - KyoAni can afford the most epic in-house staff in the business precicely because they take good but less known IP to license cheaper. KyoAni are leaders, not followers. starlessn1ght said: Light- said: Probably to promote the Light Novels they sell. It's a win-win situation for them in that they are making anime whilst also boosting the popularity of their books. Then why don't other companies do the same? KyoAni are one of only two animation studios in Japan who rely solely on their own in-house talent, working on a real and stable salary paid by the hour. Japan doesn't have enough talent available for more studios to be able to do this. This is basically an evil circle, as the reason there isn't enough talent is because there aren't enough studios like KyoAni to employ them properly. |
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aj_nn said: i think part of the reason is because KyoAni is based in Kyoto, while most other animation studios (and animators) are in Tokyo Pullman said: Well, not every studio has it's own style. In fact KyoAni is one of the few studios that has a consistent enough staff to be able to have it's own style. They're more of an exception tho, the bigger studios like A-1, Madhouse, Production IG, TMS etc... all emply a lot of freelance workers that change from project to project and there isn't really any stylistic red string in all of their works. It's what makes KyoAni so special, along with a few others like Trigger who have a similar business model. Actually, you're right. And for that at least, they deserve respect. |
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romagia said: i think part of the reason is because KyoAni is based in Kyoto, while most other animation studios (and animators) are in Tokyo The studio is probably not even human, but it's all Tanukis just having a good time. |
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Pullman said: and tanuki have the 24 karat balls to adapt nichijouromagia said: i think part of the reason is because KyoAni is based in Kyoto, while most other animation studios (and animators) are in Tokyo The studio is probably not even human, but it's all Tanukis just having a good time. it all makes sense now |
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Deknijff said: TheBigGuy said: hmmmm As far as I know, Haruhi Suzumiya's two seasons roughly adapted 3 of the novels (no idea, in which novel the story of the movie takes place) and there are 10 novels. Even if the autor doesn't continue the series, there's material for several seasons. So I can't imagine, that that's the reason. is that really the cause? From what I remember I was told they almost adapted up to the latest Novel after both seasons and the movie came out The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya is the fourth novel. So they are nowhere near the latest novel. |
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TheBigGuy said: hmmm Deknijff said: The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya is the fourth novel. So they are nowhere near the latest novel.hmmmm is that really the cause? From what I remember I was told they almost adapted up to the latest Novel after both seasons and the movie came out if thats the case then every argument I was given about why no season 3 and why Endless 8 happened was a lie |
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| Cos they make more money now getting okay BD sales with their affiliated LNs than when getting mega BD sales from unaffiliated LN/VNs. Or at least that's what I read somewhere. |
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