Nyu said: i dont know if this is bait or not... but i got to this discussion to a friend once too, particularly the college part and it got me curiousManeki-Mew said: It's not just you. I see constantly whining in general tho like "I, the poor man, am so oppressed by that evil spawn of feminists!" In your country, do you get systemically discriminated because you're a woman? No. Yet, everywhere in the West, this happens to men. Affirmative Action, supported by feminists, and Governments now. When men try to go to College, get a job, or promotion, they are discriminated against because they are men, lesser qualified women would take their place, to help achieve a 50% ratio. Though keep in mind this only happens to men, so if work sector is dominated by women, Affirmative Action doesn't apply. do western colleges not have written entrance exams? cause those are gender neutral at least for our university getting in the top 300 or so at this exam was all we needed how is it at where you want to go to college? |
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romagia said: Nyu said: i dont know if this is bait or not... but i got to this discussion to a friend once too, particularly the college part and it got me curiousIn your country, do you get systemically discriminated because you're a woman? No. Yet, everywhere in the West, this happens to men. Affirmative Action, supported by feminists, and Governments now. When men try to go to College, get a job, or promotion, they are discriminated against because they are men, lesser qualified women would take their place, to help achieve a 50% ratio. Though keep in mind this only happens to men, so if work sector is dominated by women, Affirmative Action doesn't apply. do western colleges not have written entrance exams? cause those are gender neutral at least for our university getting in the top 300 or so at this exam was all we needed how is it at where you want to go to college? This is legit. I'd think Western colleges would have entrance exams, but only for high level courses, or for University. But, even in them Affirmative Action still applies, they likely dismiss a certain amount of applications (that meet the requirements) from men, to make space for women. Though in general, for normal courses, they would just dismiss a set amount of applications from men. But not in Sweden anymore, because women were now the ones get discriminated by Affirmative Action in Higher Education. |
Maneki-Mew said: romagia said: i dont know if this is bait or not... but i got to this discussion to a friend once too, particularly the college part and it got me curious do western colleges not have written entrance exams? cause those are gender neutral at least for our university getting in the top 300 or so at this exam was all we needed how is it at where you want to go to college? I don't think it's a bait. It's just whiny, I think... And no, there are entrance exams and if you fail, it's just your own fault. I see, don't address affirmative action because it benefits you, and it's whiny because people like me are trying to take your special treatment away. |
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Nyu said: what's the difference between college and university? arent both of them high tier education you can go after high school?romagia said: i dont know if this is bait or not... but i got to this discussion to a friend once too, particularly the college part and it got me curious do western colleges not have written entrance exams? cause those are gender neutral at least for our university getting in the top 300 or so at this exam was all we needed how is it at where you want to go to college? This is legit. I'd think Western colleges would have entrance exams, but only for high level courses, or for University. But, even in them Affirmative Action still applies, they likely dismiss a certain amount of applications (that meet the requirements) from men, to make space for women. Though in general, for normal courses, they would just dismiss a set amount of applications from men. But not in Sweden anymore, because women were now the ones get discriminated by Affirmative Action in Higher Education. entrance exams for high level courses sounds weird.. what are those more exactly; do you mean like master's degree, or optional courses during a bachelors? do you have a confirmed case of someone's application for a written exam rejected? if so how do you know they met the requirements? how are these applications made anyway |
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| @Nyu Yeah, how dare people point out that Feminism claims to be for Gender Equality, but everything they do goes against that. By creating counterpart threads for like the 5th time this week on this anime site? Yes, how dare you XD Talk about oveblown. Just post your concerns on the threads that you have a problem with it and let the discussion roll there. Also you do more than just point out their problems. Remember the 'who do you blame for the decline of anime' thread? You went out of your way to point the finger at feminism when it logically not even applied to the discussed topic. To go out of your way to push your anti-feminism onto a unrelated discussion shows how much over-fixated you are on the topic of feminism (and of course how much you hate them). I got bored of gaming, they're all pretty much terrible now. So, forums have my full attention. Well, someone has a very strict taste for games. Also, that's what happens when people don't have some special hobby to prioritize. They get caught over-worring about societal issues. Freaking normies REEEEEEEEEEE! XD |
HyperLJun 21, 2017 10:45 AM
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romagia said: Nyu said: what's the difference between college and university? arent both of them high tier education you can go after high school?This is legit. I'd think Western colleges would have entrance exams, but only for high level courses, or for University. But, even in them Affirmative Action still applies, they likely dismiss a certain amount of applications (that meet the requirements) from men, to make space for women. Though in general, for normal courses, they would just dismiss a set amount of applications from men. But not in Sweden anymore, because women were now the ones get discriminated by Affirmative Action in Higher Education. entrance exams for high level courses sounds weird.. what are those more exactly; do you mean like master's degree, or optional courses during a bachelors? do you have a confirmed case of someone's application for a written exam rejected? if so how do you know they met the requirements? how are these applications made anyway Colleges are Higher Education, but many of the Courses can be done in High School. University is far more prestigious and difficult to get into, and has higher level courses. This is the UK system. Entrance exams aren't required for every course here. Their policy isn't to tell applicants that they were denied because they were White or Male, that would lead to bad publicity. http://amherststudent.amherst.edu/?q=article/2012/09/25/affirmative-action-institutional-discrimination This explains Affirmative Action, everything else literally paints it as amazing. |
Maneki-Mew said: Nobody, neither women nor men, are discriminated in university. In no way. Even a god damn computer software(!) analyzes your tests here in most cases. It's just paronia, if you think you are a victim of unequal treatment srsly. It's always easier to blame others than yourself. Me said: There are dozens of gender-related issues for both, men and women, but they are not life and health (psychological and physical)-threatening and don't hinder someone to live their lives in general. Nyu said: I see, don't address affirmative action because it benefits you, and it's whiny because people like me are trying to take your special treatment away. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Look up what Affirmative Action is. Here is Sweden's response to University Affirmative Action, (they outlawed it since it was now discriminating against women, instead of men) https://www.thelocal.se/20100318/25604 The Swedish government has announced that from August 1st it will no longer be permitted to favour prospective university students by virtue of their gender. In a communication to parliament, the government stated that university admissions regulations will be changed to reflect only academic merits. The Minister for Higher Education and Research, Tobias Krantz, underlined the importance of the principle that all individuals be treated equally regardless of their gender. To exclude motivated and higher qualified women in the university admissions process is naive, Krantz said. The background to the decision lies in cases such as one involving a group of students at Lund University who were awarded compensation in February for having been denied places to study psychology due to their gender. The university settled out of court with the 24 women, who were each awarded 35,000 kronor ($5,000) in damages. In a similar case, the Svea Court of Appeal ruled in December that it was illegal for the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences in Uppsala to prioritize men for its veterinary education programme. This is pretty hypocritical, cause they were perfectly content when it was discriminating against men, and Affirmative Action is still allowed everywhere else in Sweden. |
zodd0 said: I guess you haven't heard of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/48ed9t/opinion_japan_womens_institute_of_contemporary/mimiiria said: What about females who are sick of modern feminism? Where do we fit in? All I want from feminism is to focus on issues that actually matter (like women's rights in the Middle East, genital mutilation etc) instead of bullying people because of their taste in 2D porn. Who here has "bullied" you about 2D porn? I've never to my recollection even heard a feminist mention 2D porn. Who else would attempt to ban certain kinds of hentai and entertainment "in the name of women's rights" if not the feminists? As long as feminism isn't about liberating people and is only about limiting people's rights, I'm proud to be anti-feminist. |
mimiiria said: I guess you haven't heard of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/48ed9t/opinion_japan_womens_institute_of_contemporary/ Who else would attempt to ban certain kinds of hentai and entertainment "in the name of women's rights" if not the feminists? As long as feminism isn't about liberating people and is only about limiting people's rights, I'm proud to be anti-feminist. Why would that "Japans womens institute something blabla" represent feminism as a whole? You base your view on feminism on some reddit post? People who want to ban things such as porn and cartoons generally tend to be conservative anti-feminists. Read up on what feminism is objectively about, please. |
Valkyrie said: Why is MAL so obsessed with feminism and sexual violence against someone? I kinda noticed these threads are getting spawned more and more nowadays. Did a SJW/feminist decided to open a club here on MAL and spread its cult or some shit? Coz it seems so lmao |
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Seiya said: Pullman said: There's is no relevant lobby for men's rights/issues but a strong lobby for women's rights/issues. That's just how it is. And that needs to be changed. Here in the west, women have more rights, and men are losing rights. Rights activists have no right to exist in North America in 2017. I disagree, mostly. My issue is not that I think men are oppressed and in a worse position than women. Both genders encounter sexism, just in different ways. We are definitely not at a point where women don't have to worry about sexism anymore or never encounter discriminations. Thinking that is just naive. The issue is that women are in a position of being heard and taken seriously and having something done against it when it happens to them, and men just aren't. That's the biggest advantage women have. But I don't think they encounter less problems based on sexism or traditional gender roles on a ground level. That's pretty naive and pretty much just reverse feminist rhetorics of trying to limit gender/sexism issues to only one gender instead of acknowledging that it is a topic that can't be adequately discussed without talking about both sides at the same time. Both sexes should be seen as equal and equally important, and trying to make gender issues about only one of them is wrong no matter which way it goes. You can't criticize feminism for that and then do the same. Not without being seen as a hypocrite at least. That's why I won't do it. In my opinion this whole gender debate needs less victim mentality with assigning blame to the 'other gender' (feminists blame 'the patriarchy' and MRO blames 'feminism' as the evil system that makes them suffer and both are clearly associated with one sex or the other) and more focus on the 'system' itself, in which both sexes are trapped and bombarded with certain expectations. Before feminism got big the #1 enemy was capitalism, not the opposing gender. It sure is convenient for those in power if men and women just fight each other instead of realizing that the real problem is rooted much deeper in society. I don't want to be a part of that. Feminism sure has it's share of problems, but I don't want to tackle the topic of gender quality from only a male perspective either. Both sides can work and think about these issues together. Or they can tear each other apart fighting over privileges. But I won't be a part of the latter. It's what I hate about feminism, always focusing on the female gender and what's best for them. I don't want to become the male equivalent to that. I just want the male position on gender issues to become part of the public and academic discourse. |
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Tsukihiko said: Are these threads a regular thing now? lol Yes. Not only they're now a regular thing, they'll probably continue being a regular thing for a considerable period of time, and you can thank a certain individual for it. |
HyperLJun 21, 2017 12:42 PM
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| Well Nyu you can write up a petition to ban yaoi and send it to the UN for consideration. |
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| For some reason yaoi fans will always find ways to make blatant rape not blatant rape. I've seen yaoi fans argue that the forced handjob in the first episode of Junjou Romantica was consensual because "he was just playing hard to get/eventually stopped squirming and took it." |
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zodd0 said: mimiiria said: I guess you haven't heard of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/48ed9t/opinion_japan_womens_institute_of_contemporary/ Who else would attempt to ban certain kinds of hentai and entertainment "in the name of women's rights" if not the feminists? As long as feminism isn't about liberating people and is only about limiting people's rights, I'm proud to be anti-feminist. Why would that "Japans womens institute something blabla" represent feminism as a whole? You base your view on feminism on some reddit post? People who want to ban things such as porn and cartoons generally tend to be conservative anti-feminists. Read up on what feminism is objectively about, please. You literally talked about 'which feminists tried to do anything like that, I don't think any feminst would ever care about 2D porn.' You were proven wrong. Just admit that you made a false claim. Don't try to make it seem like you disagreed with 'feminism as a whole being anti-2D porn (whatever 'feminism as a whole' is btw. If feminist organizations with actual political pull with the UN and other organizations don't represent feminism on the global stage who does?) when you specifically talked about individuals and claimed that no feminist would ever talk about these things or even care about 2D porn. There are enough articles that show that a good amount of them does care and even has enough political pull to start debates in the UN etc... As for reading up what feminism is 'objectively about', it's easy to say and write things but without paying attention to whether people act on it's just hot air. Feminism is supposedly interested in gender issues for both sexes and wants to fight sexism against men just as much because it's all about equality. But in reality feminist lobbies boycott any kind of progress that tries to change for example domestic violence laws in the US where the courts are still required(!) to use a model that phrases everything as 'different ways how a man can abuse his wife'. There isn't even the theoretical mention of domestic violence going the other way around despite ~40% of the domestic violence incidents being reported to be committed by women against their husbands. And it still needs to be applied by law to those 40% of cases where women are the perpetrators. That can't possibly end in fair results. Feminst activists also boycott any public speaker that associates themselves with caring about men's rights in general, no matter their circumstances or history. Be it in a political, adademical or any other setting. And on a large scale too. Even former feminists are completely shunned from being able to talk publicly once they start caring about men's rights. All the while they will talk about equality and sexism going both ways in interviews. Some of them say 'If they want to talk about their problems men should just make their own movement to discuss them' -> but when they actually do they get screamed at, insulted, have fire alarms being pulled just to prevent them from even having a discussion. By the same feminist who says 'they should just make their own movement and talk about their problems'. So yeah, I'd rather trust the actions of leading feminists and feminist organizations than what they say in comfy interviews or what the leaders of feminism 40 years wrote down in terms of what the movement is about. In theory feminism is great and covers all issues of sexism and doesn't discriminate against men. That's what it 'objectively' is about, or supposed to be about. Except the reality of modern feminism is very different. This is not exclusive to feminsm by the way. In general actions are more trustworthy than written down ideals from past generations. I judge feminism by what they pour their lobbying power into these days, not what their ideals were when the movement started. |
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AnimeLover6051 said: I don't see how yaoi have any kind of connection with feminism. Yaoi shows the love between 2 people, men to be exactly, it doesn't show the discrimination for women, or anything with women rights. Yaoi is a thing, feminism is another. There is no connection between those two. in theory feminism claims to not only be about women's rights but about gender equality that's why this topic exists. If feminism was honest and just said we don't give a shit about how men are treated, our only focus is women's rights (as you describe it) nobody would accuse them as being hypocritical for not caring about yaoi/man on man rape. But they do tend to claim to be the authority on all gender issues, not only female ones. Hence why they should care about 2D rape of both genders (or ideally none and focus on actual, real-world problems). |
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Pullman said: You literally talked about 'which feminists tried to do anything like that, I don't think any feminst would ever care about 2D porn.' You were proven wrong. Just admit that you made a false claim. Don't try to make it seem like you disagreed with 'feminism as a whole being anti-2D porn (whatever 'feminism as a whole' is btw. If feminist organizations with actual political pull with the UN and other organizations don't represent feminism on the global stage who does?) when you specifically talked about individuals and claimed that no feminist would ever talk about these things or even care about 2D porn. There are enough articles that show that a good amount of them does care and even has enough political pull to start debates in the UN etc... So many strawmans here... wow. I never said "no feminist in history has never uttered anything about banning 2d porn or fictional violence against women". I just said I could not recollect hearing any feminists ever saying that they wanna do that, but now you got some reddit post to show there might exist some, so gongrats. And since you're such a fan of the UN in this case, Emma Watson has given a speech in UN about what feminism actually is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9SUAcNlVQ4 I suggest you listen to that. I too could post shit about anti-feminists wanting to ban porn or cartoons, and say that they represent anti-feminism. I could post things about anti-feminists denying the existence of gravity as well. But using your logic is not intelligent. |
zodd0 said: Pullman said: You literally talked about 'which feminists tried to do anything like that, I don't think any feminst would ever care about 2D porn.' You were proven wrong. Just admit that you made a false claim. Don't try to make it seem like you disagreed with 'feminism as a whole being anti-2D porn (whatever 'feminism as a whole' is btw. If feminist organizations with actual political pull with the UN and other organizations don't represent feminism on the global stage who does?) when you specifically talked about individuals and claimed that no feminist would ever talk about these things or even care about 2D porn. There are enough articles that show that a good amount of them does care and even has enough political pull to start debates in the UN etc... So many strawmans here... wow. I never said "no feminist in history has never uttered anything about banning 2d porn or fictional violence against women". I just said I could not recollect hearing any feminists ever saying that they wanna do that, but now you got some reddit post to show there might exist some, so gongrats. And since you're such a fan of the UN in this case, Emma Watson has given a speech in UN about what feminism actually is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9SUAcNlVQ4 I suggest you listen to that. I too could post shit about anti-feminists wanting to ban porn or cartoons, and say that they represent anti-feminism. I could post things about anti-feminists denying the existence of gravity as well. But using your logic is not intelligent. Before I reply to your 'arguments' let me ask me why you are so angry? You're pretty aggressive and presumptuous for no apparent reason. I tried to be neutral and just pointed out that you talked about individual feminists and not feminism as a whole one post earlier and only switched your phrasing once the former was proven to be wrong. That is just what happened, period. Reacting aggressively and randomly throwing 'reddit' around because you don't have any credible arguments yourself and therefore decide to try to undermine the credibility of the people countering your stance by associating them with something you think undermines credibility instead of replying to the content of their arguments. It's like the anti-SJW hatemongers thinking that calling someone a SJW actually counts as debunking their position. Just because a source was posted on reddit doesn't make it any less real. Anyway, since you stopped being polite I'll do the same.I've never actually used reddit myself but nice try of using buzzwords to try and undermine the credibility of my claims. I'm talking about actual political petitions and stuff not random reddit posts. Real world events. F A C T S. Tho you probably don't like them which is why you ignored them. Conveniently you also ignored the large parts of my posts where I talk about the discrepancy between what feminism says and what feminism does. Some celebrity holding a public speech about ideals is all nice and good but I'd rather judge based on what feminists are actually, actively trying to prevent or achieve on a daily basis, instead of what they say in extremely public settings. People will always say nicer things than they do. That's what fucking politics is all about, phrasing things nicely and doing as much as you can get away with behind the scenes. Please don't tell me you are naive enough to take anything people say in public speeches to the heart? Or are feminists somehow an exception to the rule and the only political lobby that is 100% honest? Neither positions are very believable. I don't know how some celebrity lip service is supposed to be more representative of modern feminsm than daily actions. As I said, actions count for more than words. But as anything else you forgot to reply to that. The only thing you did reply to was some nitpicking about my phrasing. Is that really the only thing you had any sort of counter argument to offer? Because it's really trivial. I exaggerated my phrasing to emphasize the point. That's just a way of making my point. Really nothing unusual here. Going for that kind of nitpicking shows desperation in trying to find anything about my post that you can 'counter'. And you didn't even do a good job at it because your whole agument rests on, and I quote directly "I never said "no feminist in history has never uttered anything about banning 2d porn or fictional violence against women"." And I never said you said that so where is your problem? Also it makes little difference whether you said noone ever said this in the history or you don't know of anyone ever mentioning it. The point is that you were proven wrong but sneakily tried to change your phrasing to shift the blame instead of just admitting that, yes, there are feminists, even in positions of power, who do talk about 2D porn and banning stuff related to it. That's just bad manners in a debate. If you meant to say that 'feminism as a whole' doesn't want to do that you should have said so, but you didn't. Noone else to blame for that but you. It's a fact that you yourself talked about FEMINISTS and not FEMINISM so providing sources of FEMINISTS doing what you say they don't to your knowledge, proves you wrong. Why couldn't you just admit that instead of trying to twist it as if the whole conversation was about 'feminism as a whole'? It never was until I joined and added some arguments about 'feminism as a whole' being judged by actions not words (which is my stance for every political and ideological movement). Still unsure what that actually is btw, feminism as a whole. Does Emma Watson represent 'feminism as a whole'? If you ask me there is no such thing as 'feminism as a whole'. There's the underlying ideology of feminism, and then there's a hundred different interpretations and actions absed on these interpretations and they collectively make up 'feminism'. Saying what Emma Watson says is somehow more representative than what feminist lobbies do is a fallacy. Either the movement can never be defined by individual actions or interpretations (in which case your emma watson speech is just one feminist's opinion just like the sources we gave for feminists actually caring about 2D porn), or public, powerful figures associated with the movement can be representative of it (in which case the argument remains whether words or actions should be used to judge what feminism is about, and you know my position on that by now). But you can't dismiss the actions of politically powerful feminist lobbies as not being representative, and then use one individual giving a speech and say 'that's representative'. That is not logically coherent and just smells like cherry-picking. But since you basically conceded that I am right here by not reypling to all of my arguments (which usually means someone doesn't know what to reply to those arguments since they make sense) I'll just leave it at that. Maybe once you're less angry you'll see that I'm not your enemy just for pointing out that you switched your phrasing when it became conveniently for you which is a very cheap and dishonest rhetoric trick. I don't like those which is why I pointed it out, and even provided a ton of other material to further discuss this topic. But you choose to ignore every thing I said about the topic and only focused on my phrasing and credibility. That's on you. I wanted to exchange arguments, you chose to ignore that path. |
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Pullman said: Before I reply to your 'arguments' let me ask me why you are so angry? You're pretty aggressive and presumptuous for no apparent reason. I tried to be neutral and just pointed out that you talked about individual feminists and not feminism as a whole one post earlier and only switched your phrasing once the former was proven to be wrong. That is just what happened, period. Reacting aggressively and randomly throwing 'reddit' around because you don't have any credible arguments yourself and therefore decide to try to undermine the credibility of the people countering your stance by associating them with something you think undermines credibility instead of replying to the content of their arguments. It's like the anti-SJW hatemongers thinking that calling someone a SJW actually counts as debunking their position. Just because a source was posted on reddit doesn't make it any less real. I'm not angry, that's your missinterpretation. Perhaps I sounded angry because I was critical of your strawman-arguments? Anyway, I can't really be bothered to read that second even longer wall of text you just posted, sorry. |
| Maybe because the UN is trying to compensate for certain things happening in the Middle East ;) or more likely they're too far into a certain ideology.... |
HyperL said: Tsukihiko said: Are these threads a regular thing now? lol Yes. Not only they're now a regular thing, they'll probably continue being a regular thing for a considerable period of time, and you can thank a certain individual for it. Idk why normies are getting out of their way to throw social equality into anime but they should stop, it's not like people who buy it give a shit about the subject. |
| Because no one actually gives a fuck about gender equality other than petty sjw's when there are more important things happening in the world. |
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zodd0 said: I posted the reddit link because it has a translation of the article, jeez. You can read the original article too if you can: http://wmc-jpn.blogspot.fi/2016/02/blog-post.html?spref=twmimiiria said: I guess you haven't heard of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/48ed9t/opinion_japan_womens_institute_of_contemporary/ Who else would attempt to ban certain kinds of hentai and entertainment "in the name of women's rights" if not the feminists? As long as feminism isn't about liberating people and is only about limiting people's rights, I'm proud to be anti-feminist. Why would that "Japans womens institute something blabla" represent feminism as a whole? You base your view on feminism on some reddit post? People who want to ban things such as porn and cartoons generally tend to be conservative anti-feminists. Read up on what feminism is objectively about, please. |
Maneki-Mew said: zodd0 said: Why would that "Japans womens institute something blabla" represent feminism as a whole? You base your view on feminism on some reddit post? People who want to ban things such as porn and cartoons generally tend to be conservative anti-feminists. Read up on what feminism is objectively about, please. Well, the internet gives people a wrong image about many things. How many of those super-angry feminists and anti-feminsts do people meet in real life? How often do they see those online? It's a concentration point for radical and/or loud people. It's not the Internet giving Feminists a bad name, it's feminists themselves like the UN and other major organizations. Also, why haven't you responded to my reply, which I provided Affirmative Action in University was real. |
Nyu said: romagia said: i dont know if this is bait or not... but i got to this discussion to a friend once too, particularly the college part and it got me curious do western colleges not have written entrance exams? cause those are gender neutral at least for our university getting in the top 300 or so at this exam was all we needed how is it at where you want to go to college? This is legit. I'd think Western colleges would have entrance exams, but only for high level courses, or for University. But, even in them Affirmative Action still applies, they likely dismiss a certain amount of applications (that meet the requirements) from men, to make space for women. Though in general, for normal courses, they would just dismiss a set amount of applications from men. But not in Sweden anymore, because women were now the ones get discriminated by Affirmative Action in Higher Education. I can't claim this is the case for literally every western country, but you are aware that there are more females than males applying to colleges in the US right? At least when it comes to getting into colleges that use affirmative action it's way more about race than it is about gender these days. If anything, affirmative action favors men in the US just because there's less of them applying. But whatever, carry on. |
Lohuydahutt said: Nyu said: This is legit. I'd think Western colleges would have entrance exams, but only for high level courses, or for University. But, even in them Affirmative Action still applies, they likely dismiss a certain amount of applications (that meet the requirements) from men, to make space for women. Though in general, for normal courses, they would just dismiss a set amount of applications from men. But not in Sweden anymore, because women were now the ones get discriminated by Affirmative Action in Higher Education. I can't claim this is the case for literally every western country, but you are aware that there are more females than males applying to colleges in the US right? At least when it comes to getting into colleges that use affirmative action it's way more about race than it is about gender these days. If anything, affirmative action favors men in the US just because there's less of them applying. But whatever, carry on. Nah, affirmative action is more about gender in the West these days, for example, Affirmative Action was discriminating against women in Sweden, (because men had fallen behind women, this happens when Gov'ts only care about girls education) so the Swedish Gov't banned Affirmative Action in Universities. The Minister for Higher Education and Research, Tobias Krantz, underlined the importance of the principle that all individuals be treated equally regardless of their gender. To exclude motivated and higher qualified women in the university admissions process is naive, Krantz said. https://www.thelocal.se/20100318/25604 So now 60% of Swedish students are female, and apparently that isn't inequality, but when it was 60% male, it was hell on earth. Also, if Affirmative Action does primarily benefit men in the US, Feminists will likely try to get it banned. |
Nyu said: Lohuydahutt said: I can't claim this is the case for literally every western country, but you are aware that there are more females than males applying to colleges in the US right? At least when it comes to getting into colleges that use affirmative action it's way more about race than it is about gender these days. If anything, affirmative action favors men in the US just because there's less of them applying. But whatever, carry on. Nah, affirmative action is more about gender in the West these days, for example, Affirmative Action was discriminating against women in Sweden, (because men had fallen behind women, this happens when Gov'ts only care about girls education) so the Swedish Gov't banned Affirmative Action in Universities. The Minister for Higher Education and Research, Tobias Krantz, underlined the importance of the principle that all individuals be treated equally regardless of their gender. To exclude motivated and higher qualified women in the university admissions process is naive, Krantz said. https://www.thelocal.se/20100318/25604 So now 60% of Swedish students are female, and apparently that isn't inequality, but when it was 60% male, it was hell on earth. Also, if Affirmative Action does primarily benefit men in the US, Feminists will likely try to get it banned. Sweden has like two black kids in it of course affirmative action wouldn't be focused on race there. Also, you're arguing against gender discrimination of affirmative action... by citing an example where they got rid of affirmative action. Are they being hypocrites? IDK maybe, but regardless of the reasons behind it don't you think Sweden banning affirmative action is a positive thing? Or is it fine if it's affirmative action in favor of guys? Genuinely curious. And you know, maybe there are some feminists trying to get rid of affirmative action here. Either way I can safely say most of them have more pressing concerns at the moment, whether you agree with them or not. Regardless, I don't really pay attention to what some crazies on youtube are saying until they actually impact policy over here, and I can safely say that has not been the case in these parts. But whatever, Sweden is one country and the US is one country, we can cherry pick examples from a shit load of western countries to prove our points but I can't say I'm super interested in that. |
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Lohuydahutt said: Nyu said: Nah, affirmative action is more about gender in the West these days, for example, Affirmative Action was discriminating against women in Sweden, (because men had fallen behind women, this happens when Gov'ts only care about girls education) so the Swedish Gov't banned Affirmative Action in Universities. https://www.thelocal.se/20100318/25604 So now 60% of Swedish students are female, and apparently that isn't inequality, but when it was 60% male, it was hell on earth. Also, if Affirmative Action does primarily benefit men in the US, Feminists will likely try to get it banned. Sweden has like two black kids in it of course affirmative action wouldn't be focused on race there. Also, you're arguing against gender discrimination of affirmative action... by citing an example where they got rid of affirmative action. Are they being hypocrites? IDK maybe, but regardless of the reasons behind it don't you think Sweden banning affirmative action is a positive thing? Or is it fine if it's affirmative action in favor of guys? Genuinely curious. And you know, maybe there are some feminists trying to get rid of affirmative action here. Either way I can safely say most of them have more pressing concerns at the moment, whether you agree with them or not. Regardless, I don't really pay attention to what some crazies on youtube are saying until they actually impact policy over here, and I can safely say that has not been the case in these parts. But whatever, Sweden is one country and the US is one country, we can cherry pick examples from a shit load of western countries to prove our points but I can't say I'm super interested in that. My point was, that Affirmative Action was used to push one Gender outta of Higher Education, under the guise of Equality. Who can say this won't happen throughout the Western Europe, or North America? Affirmative Action being abused like this, then suddenly turned off the minute it discriminates against women is not a positive thing, it would've been a positive thing if it stayed active long enough to Equalise the amount of students as 50% male & 50% female. Crazies on YouTube? Common feminist tactic, to blame everything on radicals, when it's the majority of Feminism that is the problem. Mainstream Feminism supports Systemic Discrimination (Affirmative Action) & Censorship (like when the UN Women tried to ban Anime/Media portraying sexual violence in Japan, twice. |
Nyu said: Lohuydahutt said: Sweden has like two black kids in it of course affirmative action wouldn't be focused on race there. Also, you're arguing against gender discrimination of affirmative action... by citing an example where they got rid of affirmative action. Are they being hypocrites? IDK maybe, but regardless of the reasons behind it don't you think Sweden banning affirmative action is a positive thing? Or is it fine if it's affirmative action in favor of guys? Genuinely curious. And you know, maybe there are some feminists trying to get rid of affirmative action here. Either way I can safely say most of them have more pressing concerns at the moment, whether you agree with them or not. Regardless, I don't really pay attention to what some crazies on youtube are saying until they actually impact policy over here, and I can safely say that has not been the case in these parts. But whatever, Sweden is one country and the US is one country, we can cherry pick examples from a shit load of western countries to prove our points but I can't say I'm super interested in that. My point was, that Affirmative Action was used to push one Gender outta of Higher Education, under the guise of Equality. Who can say this won't happen throughout the Western Europe, or North America? Affirmative Action being abused like this, then suddenly turned off the minute it discriminates against women is not a positive thing, it would've been a positive thing if it stayed active long enough to Equalise the amount of students as 50% male & 50% female. Crazies on YouTube? Common feminist tactic, to blame everything on radicals, when it's the majority of Feminism that is the problem. Mainstream Feminism supports Systemic Discrimination (Affirmative Action) & Censorship (like when the UN Women tried to ban Anime/Media portraying sexual violence in Japan, twice. Well, if affirmative action is shut off now in Sweden, wouldn't it logically follow that the male to female ratio will start evening out for all the new applicants? Every one's on an equal playing field now after all. Or perhaps, gasp, more women apply to college than men in the first place over there. Why is that the case? Well, perhaps because women are a slight majority in the population and tend to be more interested in careers that require a college degree than men are these days? I guarantee you that if every student in Sweden that applied in a given year got accepted there would still be more females than males by a decent margin. That's just how it is now. OK, I live in a pretty liberal city, and none of the feminists I personally encountered give a shit about anime or affirmative action. Are they not main stream feminists? How the fuck am I supposed to judge that? I don't think you have a good way to judge what the "majority" of feminists think and I don't either. Do you have scientific polling of self-identified feminists and asked them all if they want to ban hentai? In my view, people who identify as feminists have a very wide range of beliefs, and talking about them like they're some monolith that agrees with each other on everything just shows a blatant disregard of nuance. Ah well. Gender discrimination against men when it comes to college acceptances is not currently a problem in the United States of America. That is the narrow statement I originally made, and you did not refute it. I was not arguing about Sweden. I was not arguing about the merits of affirmative action as a whole. I did not begin this argument debating the viewpoints of mainstream feminists. This conversation has veered off into weird directions that I don't really care about. You think feminism is a scourge on society or whatever, all power to you. I don't personally feel oppressed by feminism, and I don't need you to convince me that I should feel oppressed. Fair enough? You can say you won the argument or whatever because I'm done here. |
gungoman said: ha ha ha le epic trole i'm sure tons of people will line up to argue with you everyone knows men cant be raped-~. master ruseman |
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| You know something? Anime and hentai are drawings. The UN isn't gonna attack something that isn't real. If Japanese real life shows had sexual violence then that would be a problem. |
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romagia said: what does the un has to do with anything lol UN recently wanted to ban ... well... hentai basically and everything near to it. That's what the UN has with this but the Japanese representative actually had brains and refused. |
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fuyuki said: Because full-blown yaoi is extremely niche, and there's very few yaoi anime to begin with. Ecchi is way, way more popular and common in anime, not to even mention the amount of hentai ovas - that's why it gets more attention. Lets not forget that manga is also media lol. And as far as i know there are shit ton of yaoi manga lol. The only reason there aren't as much anime is because it's literally as unprofitable as it can be. So your argument is invalid. |
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zodd0 said: mimiiria said: What about females who are sick of modern feminism? Where do we fit in? All I want from feminism is to focus on issues that actually matter (like women's rights in the Middle East, genital mutilation etc) instead of bullying people because of their taste in 2D porn. Who here has "bullied" you about 2D porn? I've never to my recollection even heard a feminist mention 2D porn. Yes that's why the UN tried to ban it. |
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CatSoul said: For some reason yaoi fans will always find ways to make blatant rape not blatant rape. I've seen yaoi fans argue that the forced handjob in the first episode of Junjou Romantica was consensual because "he was just playing hard to get/eventually stopped squirming and took it." LMAO. Sounds exactly like 90% of rape hentai. |
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AnimeLover6051 said: I don't see how yaoi have any kind of connection with feminism. Yaoi shows the love between 2 people, men to be exactly, it doesn't show the discrimination for women, or anything with women rights. Yaoi is a thing, feminism is another. There is no connection between those two. You dumb? Nah by reading this comment, you definetly dumb. |
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EriitoSenshi said: You know something? Anime and hentai are drawings. The UN isn't gonna attack something that isn't real. If Japanese real life shows had sexual violence then that would be a problem. But they did that like.. Couple of days ago xD. |
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AnimeLover6051 said: Yeah, but yaoi is not about rape, it's about love, or at least it should be, and if it's about rape, is between a man and a men, not a man is raped by a women. HOLY SHIT. It's fucking sexual violence.. It doesn't matter who's fucking doing it , male or female, the thing that matters is who's receiving it and in this case if a man is being raped , doesn't matter by who, then it's fucking sexual violence against men . Jesus fucking Christ do you read what you fucking write? |
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