| The first time I came across that, I was surprised. But then I got used to it. |
| I actually like when characters are raped especially in yaoi. Take Enzai for a clear example...I actually like that. |
| If its a girl dominant rape, then its fine. If not, its disgusting xD |
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| Well, if you're reading/watching explicit material.. why should you be surprised? You basically know what to expect going into it.. But, if it's just a normal scene that throws it in there, of course it makes me feel uncomfortable. Like in Berserk when they show Casca getting raped when she was little.. Not cool. Fortunately, I haven't come across it much.. maybe because I'm obsessed with shōjo.. lol |
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| I feel kind of appalled. And I'd like to see more consensual sex. I mean, what about my disgusting desire to see an anime with an amazing romance plot and then when they get together see like an entire episode's worth of snuggle? And by my disgusting desire to see snuggle. I mean like, romantic sex that goes like this. They kiss, and they kiss, and they kiss. And they do weird awkward stuff like rub their heads on each other's upper chest and shoulders. And when they take off the clothes and have sex, they do it SLOWLY, and when they do something, they don't move away from being kissy and have fast and furious rough sex, they just do such like it's another part of cuddling. Things like this are only HINTED at in very non-Hentai material. This is like, not the norm at all. It's sad when the majority of sex depictions is rape and even worse when the non-rape depictions are pretty rough stuff. I understand that a minority of people will always naturally want that sort of thing and that's fine. Sadism, masochism, it's fine being seen as the fetish that it is and all healthy in small doses upon the large palette of diversity that is known as sexuality. But when you feel like you're the weirdo for wanting something as reasonable as soft sex depictions, whether you're watching some generally g rated romance show with one flash that basically spells out they have sex without showing it, or some all sex sex sex hentai movie, it'd be nice to have SOMETHING a little more understandable and a little less extreme. But lord knows it's too much to get the warm fuzzies when watching ANYTHING that pertains to sex. That would make sex look like a beautiful romantic thing full of smiles and happiness and bonding of any sort. That would be too much. |
ukonkiviFeb 25, 2010 1:48 PM
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| Not at all, unless loli is involved. You see rape stories on American TV all the time, just turn on Lifetime. |
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ukonkivi said: I feel kind of appalled. And I'd like to see more consensual sex. I mean, what about my disgusting desire to see an anime with an amazing romance plot and then when they get together see like an entire episode's worth of snuggle? And by my disgusting desire to see snuggle. I mean like, romantic sex that goes like this. They kiss, and they kiss, and they kiss. And they do weird awkward stuff like rub their heads on each other's upper chest and shoulders. And when they take off the clothes and have sex, they do it SLOWLY, and when they do something, they do move away from being kissy and have fast and furious rough sex, they just do such like it's another part of cuddling. Things like this are only HINTED at in very non-Hentai material. This is like, not the norm at all. It's sad when the majority of sex depictions is rape and even worse when the non-rape depictions are pretty rough stuff. I understand that a minority of people will always naturally want that sort of thing and that's fine. Sadism, masochism, it's fine being seen as the fetish that it is and all healthy in small doses upon the large palette of diversity that is known as sexuality. But when you feel like you're the weirdo for wanting something as reasonable as sex depictions, whether you're watching some generally g rated romance show with one flash that basically spells out they have sex without showing it, or some all sex sex sex hentai movie, it'd be nice to have SOMETHING a little more understandable and a little less extreme. But lord knows it's too much to get the warm fuzzies when watching ANYTHING that pertains to sex. That would make sex look like a beautiful romantic thing full of smiles and happiness and bonding of any sort. That would be too much. These would be my thoughts as well. |
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Wetpantsu said: corbenic said: Though at some cases it feels strange in the pants.Not at all. Like... wet? Or is it a different kind of feeling? |
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AlexSadist-sama said: The first time I came across that, I was surprised. But then I got used to it. |
I mean, what about my disgusting desire to see an anime with an amazing romance plot and then when they get together see like an entire episode's worth of snuggle? And by my disgusting desire to see snuggle. I mean like, romantic sex that goes like this. They kiss, and they kiss, and they kiss. And they do weird awkward stuff like rub their heads on each other's upper chest and shoulders. And when they take off the clothes and have sex, they do it SLOWLY, and when they do something, they do move away from being kissy and have fast and furious rough sex, they just do such like it's another part of cuddling. This. I've been wanting something like this since forever. |
| I would also add, that as long as the story is progressed by the scene in some way, it is supposed to be disturbing. The very point is show how such an act is an abhorrent one, to make the viewer uncomfortable, if you are, then it is working. I won't get into if it does not. Suffice to say those who it does not affect need counselling, but rarely seek it for the fact they feel nothing is wrong with them. I do dislike greatly the fact that most hentilia is based around the sex scene, like a porn film, that the focus is not at all on story but on the act itself and complete degradation of the character, no I am not a character purist, By character I mean the depiction of the person being raped, nothing more. The fact that these things exist in any mind are disturbing enough, it's a good outlet for communicating an idea of any kind, such as rape being bad, or the reason behind hy it is done and the complexity of both hating and enjoying everymoment, but it seems to be more of a competition on who can be the most sickly minded person when it comes to the possible rape of a person made fictional, that's just feeding the sickness, not curing it, though it is debatable. With regard to story, exceptions exist, bible black and Urostukidoji, but even these are poor story's. The suggested rape of Reinhard's sister was more sinister and the story far superior. If a story similar, well told, and produced, that depicted the graphic rape in detail, added it as as a driving force for the story itself, or as a characterisation background layer, then it could work very well. But, when the story is of some defenceless girl being repeatedly raped and tortured over and over for amusement, with a ''that's life kids'', glib and cliché slogan attached to it, then I am afraid that that kind of anime will get no viewing from me. |
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| What's hentilia? Plural form of hentai? |
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corbenic said: What's hentilia? Plural form of hentai? Not plural as such. It more defines anything that is hentai related, from games, manga and anime, also covering anything in that genre, not just loli, but tentacle, demon, alien etc. |
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LoneTrooper said: I would also add, that as long as the story is progressed by the scene in some way, it is supposed to be disturbing. The very point is show how such an act is an abhorrent one, to make the viewer uncomfortable, if you are, then it is working. I won't get into if it does not. Suffice to say those who it does not affect need counselling, but rarely seek it for the fact they feel nothing is wrong with them. I do dislike greatly the fact that most hentilia is based around the sex scene, like a porn film, that the focus is not at all on story but on the act itself and complete degradation of the character, no I am not a character purist, By character I mean the depiction of the person being raped, nothing more. The fact that these things exist in any mind are disturbing enough, it's a good outlet for communicating an idea of any kind, such as rape being bad, or the reason behind hy it is done and the complexity of both hating and enjoying everymoment, but it seems to be more of a competition on who can be the most sickly minded person when it comes to the possible rape of a person made fictional, that's just feeding the sickness, not curing it, though it is debatable. With regard to story, exceptions exist, bible black and Urostukidoji, but even these are poor story's. The suggested rape of Reinhard's sister was more sinister and the story far superior. If a story similar, well told, and produced, that depicted the graphic rape in detail, added it as as a driving force for the story itself, or as a characterisation background layer, then it could work very well. But, when the story is of some defenceless girl being repeatedly raped and tortured over and over for amusement, with a ''that's life kids'', glib and cliché slogan attached to it, then I am afraid that that kind of anime will get no viewing from me. Jesus Christ. You do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Somebody does not need counseling if it doesn't bother them,. IT'S FUCKING FICTION. Jesus fucking Christ that was one of the stupidest things I have ever read on MAL. |
| I enjoy it. Although... I too, am a sick bastard. I believe that it is human nature to be attracted to the idea. Just as we find sex pleasurable, being attracted to even an unwilling partner assists in our reproduction, and thus, survival as a species. It's an evolutionary advantage. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Jesus Christ. You do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Somebody does not need counseling if it doesn't bother them,. IT'S FUCKING FICTION. Jesus fucking Christ that was one of the stupidest things I have ever read on MAL. If you are not responding to emotional stimulus in an either positive or negative way, it means that something is wrong with how you are processing the information. If you do not feel pain when you are cut, yes, it can be a good thing because the actually effect of feeling a severe pain will not effect you. However, it is a warning mechanism, to tell you something is wrong. You are shutiing down your warning mechanism when you feel nothing, this is unhealthy. I am not making judgement on whether or not feeling good or bad about such scenes is appropriate, sadism and masochistic natures are a personal thing, and I don't believe that it is a problem as long as it does not affect someone else in a way that is not desirable, i.e a negative way in their life. Of course superficially, not being able to feel pain when cut, or breaking a bone would be nice. If there was no pain when you broke a bone, how would you know that something is wrong if it causes no ill effect? why bother fixing a broken leg if it doesn't bother you, forget being able to walk, why care, it doesn't bother you. Likewise, the mind has emotion states for a reason, they are there to serve as warnings and help you make decisions in life and to tell you when you are hurt and to help you heal properly, without that stimulus whatever it may be, revulsion or joy, you are not experience the full potential of your mind and you will not heal any psychological wounds your mind may have taken. When the body is traumatised so badly, it goes into shock, a semi state where neurons stop firing to tell the body what is wrong because the damage is so severe. A temporary total shut down of all autonomic function of the primary and somatic sensory cortex stops while it catalogues all the damage and then, relays the collected data at one time, for speed. This is why people die of shock, because of adrenalin overload, a fast way of transmitting data hormonally through the endocrine system, the brain self administers endorfins to cope with the pain, and at times overdoses itself, it is rare, but it happens. It is the same with a psychological trauma, desensitisation is not something to strive for, it is a response to stimulus the mind has been unable to cope with and therefore has stopped processing the data to protect important parts of the brains autonomic functions. This is a problem, of course people would prefer to go through life numb, not feeling pain is an agreeable situation compared to feeling pain, however the same parts of the brain that are used to feel or experience emotion are both used for experience joy as well as sadness, if these are damaged and not let to heal the effect would be similar to breaking a bone, and walking on it still for an indefinite period of time, the bone would mend around the new pressure and take on an unhealthy shape. It may switch itself off to protect itself from a trauma or sad event so it cannot feel because it is unable to process such a vast amount of information at one time, so to it cannot experience anything else either. You are not aware of all of the facts to be jumping to conclusions as quickly as you do. Plus your response is not exactly one on the beginning of an intellectual exploration of the reasons and flaws within this very well documented phenomenon, which is still undergoing research. Please refrain from speaking to me in such a disrespectful manor in future, or do not address me at all. I did say I was not going to go into detail about this, and I am not. I suggest leaving this conversation here. though I am open to new ideas, I am open to ideas, not opinions and open to ideas that have had at least some ground in the study of neurology and neuroscience. Many thanks. -trooper- |
TrollTrooperFeb 25, 2010 1:52 PM
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| rape is not something people should be desensitised to. Any kind of abuse is horrific, and takes a lifetime to get over. So to answer the OP's question, it makes me very uncomfortable and i generally stop reading the manga. there are very few that ive continued reading after a violent rape scene. 90 percent of the time its completely unrelated to the plot anyway, and there for shock value or for people to get off to. |
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| eh, rape is no joke, but along the lines of anime it really isn't that big of a deal. i've seen explicit rape scenes in live actions that have made me cringe a little, but nothing animated could truly strike a nerve. i'd continue watching an anime after a rape scene, because it delves into the darker side of humanity and isn't afraid of censorship, even if the sole purpose is to give creepers hard-ons. |
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| Why so serious? Are you forgetting this topic is about rape in anime/manga? It will never fully convey the drama associated with rape, or at least I haven't seen it. Hentai, for example, are just silly. If it's a realistic live action movie scene, or you're actually witnessing the act or victims talking about it, that's a different situation and usually a different emotional response is involved. If anything, someone who is disturbed by just seeing a drawing or a poor (it usually is) animation of rape scene is oversensitive. |
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| Half of sex scenes in hentai doujins are rape scenes. It's become normal. |
| The only rape in manga I can recall having bothered me a little was in Bradherley's Coach, but that was more because of the brutality of it all and the eventual end. But getting disturbed was the whole point of that one after all. "Normal" rape that does not entail extreme brutality portrayed in a realistic and emotional manner or guro is not a big deal of course, other than perhaps a brief pang of pity if the victim is a likable character. And if it's in a hentai, then that's obviously another matter entirely. |
Day2Dream said: AlexSadist-sama said: The first time I came across that, I was surprised. But then I got used to it. Pretty much this. When I discovered hentai I found the rape scenes to be a bit disturbing, but I wasn't completely disgusted by them either. Nowadays I have no problem with it anymore. I have never seen rape in a manga/anime which wasn't hentai so I can't really comment on that one. When it comes to Live Action it's a completely different matter, even if it's porn. I like some tentacle rape in anime/manga but when I watched it in Live Action... it was quite disturbing to say the least. |
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| I just repeat to myself "cultural differences" and I then don't feel as bad as I would if i didn't accept those cultural differences. a reason why I don't hate loli-anime and manga like most people do |
| Nope. No problem at all. I love demented shit like that, anyway. |
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| Hmmmm, well I've always thought of myself as in strong opposition to rape, when I read about that news story with the girl who was raped while people watched in California I was furious for weeks. But in anime and manga it's hilarious, I was just reading bitter virgin and that "scene" took me by such a surprise that I burst out in laughter. In my opinion there needs to be more actual rape in anime, it's a plot device not used very often. I would like to see an anime that appears to be a slice of life with a bunch of shitty characters like Lucky star. And then 7 episodes in they all get brutally raped and murdered and the series ends. I would favorite such an anime. |
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daddysgirl said: I would like to see an anime that appears to be a slice of life with a bunch of shitty characters like Lucky star. And then 7 episodes in they all get brutally raped and murdered and the series ends. I would favorite such an anime. Oh god i think i just got inspired. |
| I don't really feel much at all when it comes to fictional stories or characters. I understand it's not real to a certain degree and it never really phases me. Their are times when I get anxious and annoyed watching a huge burly male character hit on a woman, but at the end of the day it's all fiction. Real rape is whole different story. |
KuroDubZeroFeb 25, 2010 9:18 PM
| There are good and bad ways of handling rape in any work of fiction. It's particularly dangerous in anime because there's way too much invitation to treat it as fanservice, which I find disgusting. For example, in the second TTGL movie, Gainax aren't exactly strangers to throwing rape into their stuff, though. The Wings of Honneamise spoilers follow: tl;dr - When rape is shown in anime or manga as an ugly thing, a tragedy, I don't have a problem with it. Otherwise, yes. |
ukonkivi said: this used to bother me… but it’s usually so poorly done, that I end up wishing that i had just imagined it instead.I feel kind of appalled. And I'd like to see more consensual sex. I mean, what about my disgusting desire to see an anime with an amazing romance plot and then when they get together see like an entire episode's worth of snuggle? daddysgirl said: lol!Hmmmm, well I've always thought of myself as in strong opposition to rape, when I read about that news story with the girl who was raped while people watched in California I was furious for weeks. But in anime and manga it's hilarious, I was just reading bitter virgin and that "scene" took me by such a surprise that I burst out in laughter. In my opinion there needs to be more actual rape in anime, it's a plot device not used very often. I would like to see an anime that appears to be a slice of life with a bunch of shitty characters like Lucky star. And then 7 episodes in they all get brutally raped and murdered and the series ends. I would favorite such an anime. in the end, i guess depicting rape in anime is not really different than other kinds of violence... there is a lot of slaughter, and sometimes it is serious and sometimes it's funny. people are sick in the head... and that's funny too. unless seeing rape inspires you to go out and try it yourself........ but i think the person who would do that didn't need to see first it in anime to become a twistedfuck... that all being said, the loli and pedo stuff still trips me out... oh well... children have sex too, i'll get over it eventually. |
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| Everyone in this thread should watch "Rapeman" Best hentai ever and it shows the true, good colors and results that can come from rape. But there really isn't any. Rape is bad, mmmhmmmkay? Ruins women. |
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| The best hentai ever is Bible black and NSN.Also I love rape in manga and anime. |
| I'm not shocked. Everyone ends up liking it in anime. Indeed, how odd. |
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| It makes me lol and I can never take it seriously. Sorry moralfags, I just plain don't give a shit. |
antitype said: When rape is shown in anime or manga as an ugly thing, a tragedy, I don't have a problem with it. Otherwise, yes. My feelings exactly. You're supposed to get appalled by it, not get desensitized by pointless sequences of it. Definitely, it makes me feel uneasy, but if it's part of the plot, fine, leave it there. Off the top of my head, a good example would be Kara no Kyoukai 3. Although I do know that there's plenty of porn/hentai out there that pretty much revolves around tasteless(for me anyway) rape. Some people get off from that and I don't really want to judge them. |
| Anime in general has a horrible attitude towards rape in that it turns it into mindless porno where the woman ends up enjoying herself. I've not watched a rape scene in anime that wasn't intend to be pornographic and was designed to make the viewer feel uncomfortable. |
Lil_Slugger said: Anime in general has a horrible attitude towards rape in that it turns it into mindless porno where the woman ends up enjoying herself. I've not watched a rape scene in anime that wasn't intend to be pornographic and was designed to make the viewer feel uncomfortable. And yet you just finished Berserk...? |
| it depends on the story but actually rape scenes dont irritate me |
antitype said: Pretty sure that wasn't meant to be erotic. But neither was the nudity in Elfen Lied. |
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ukonkivi said: antitype said: Pretty sure that wasn't meant to be erotic. But neither was the nudity in Elfen Lied. Uh-huh. Especially not when she accidentally rubbed her breast against Kohta and then forced him to grope her. You really can't be serious, but I'm sure you are, unfortunately. |
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