Who is the father of Konatsu's first child? *SPOIER?*

bastek66 said:
According to additional short side chapter it's Yakumo.

That's some really fuck up stuff...
Fucking josei mangakas.

Bibimbapski said:
I am sure it's Yakumo.

Konatsu said something to him when he visited her during the day while she was sleeping and she said, "What are you doing here during the day?" LOL I'm just guessing.

It's also strongly implied in the last episode that he IS the father. You can't deny it especially when Shinnosuke grew up, he looks like a Sukeroku x Yakumo clone.

julianobouken said:
Everyone is sayin' that the revelation is in the short chapter.
Well...
I really want to read this but I can't find anywhere!

Jaslen said:


Here's the link for the omake chapter

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17tCeZ6hVS4wRhDDvKlsYK3dnm1qhsS5oZwqXPGX4DsE/edit#heading=h.j5q31xq43z10

Tasukuu said:
It's not said explicitly in the final episode, but is strongly hinted at.
And yes, the boy looks almost identical to his father (hair color, eye color, even the shape of the eyes).

By the way, same here, I suspected it at first too (I mean, the two of them spent so much time together...)
but dropped the idea when all the characters seemed to agree on who was his real father (and didn't discuss it further)

I like how Kumota Haruko (the mangaka) didn't explicitly reveal things to us, but instead strongly hint at it w

diajarips said:
I'm barely writing any post in a discussion, but this series is paramount for me. So, I'm gonna talk what I've been learning about shinnosuke father. Well, just like most people, I think it's Yakumo.

There are many reason why do I think so. Here's my list:

1. S1 E13, after the scene in which konatsu told Yotaro that she's pregnant, Yotaro asked whether the father is someone she couldn't be with (I immediately thought it was Yakumo because I only thought Yota and Yakumo as the probable option at the time). Then, master asking sukoreku whether he's mad over what he's done to his daughter just made me hypothesize that it's Yakumo.

I was like, well let's see in season 2 to prove my hypothesis.

2. S2 E2, when Yakumo found Konatsu sleeping, then Konatsu suddenly grabbed master's arm. She opened her eyes for a second, I think here she realize that she's holding Yakumo arms (or at least, sleeping beside him), but decided to keep holding it. (It's just like when you sligtly awake and want to pee in your sleep, you dismiss the thought and continue to sleep). This case is proven when she's fully awake, she threw his hand away. (again just like pee, when we completely awake, we go to the bathroom immediately). This scene looks like Konatsu was lonely and missing someone. My point is on the inside (subconsciously), she wanted Yakumo beside him, but it was irrational for her to do so.

This is Konatsu character, just like her mother said she is never honest. Just like on S2 E1, Konatsu told Yotaro that he changed her mind (about marrying him) but on the inside she's really grateful for him (which is shown afterward). And my hypothesis getting stronger here.

3. S2 E3, well Konatsu is driven home by an older man which turned out to be the mafia boss (a strong hint he is someone who have a relationship with her), then Yotaro confront her which confirms that he is the father.

My hypothesis is dead here. It was dashed by the plot. I never thought about it again.

4. S2 E12, sensei confront Konatsu about the true father of shin, and she had a smirk before sipping her coffee/tea. Well, she didn't confirms nor denies it. Although, there's a quote which favor Yakumo as the father "The boss, the mistress, and Yakumo-san have all passed away. I'll be taking it to hell with me". I mean if the father is the boss, what she would take to hell, everybody already knew it.

Here, my hypothesis is comeback to life. However, just like everyone said it could be Konatsu just being teaseful to sensei. But then, someone on reddit pointed me to

5. Rakugo extra (manga chapter), we learn about Konatsu as a teen. This chapter mostly disregard the assumption that the boss is the father. The boss said "I could never go for a kid, so I turned her down". This quote could be disregarded cause Konatsu is getting older. But then "I want to keep your world and mine (Yakumo) separate". This line strongly disregard the boss as the father, I belive the boss is a discipline and strong-willed person that he won't change his mind about this. Moreover pages later, the boss said "rather than Konatsu being in love with me, I think she just want to worry you, master".

My hypotesis is alive. One thing that always bother me about the boss as the father is he is having an affair with the mistress. I think it's unlikely that he'd play around with many girls, especially Konatsu (a foster-daughter of someone he respected). It would ruin Konatsu character as a female, she want to be a better person than her mother (who's whoring around). She works a honest job in the restaurant. Also, I rewatch the Yotaro accusation of the gang boss (S2 E3) and realize that both the boss and konatsu never confirm Yotaro assumption. Furthermore, I read some discussion, and found some stuff.

6. S2 E3, when kotaro and konatsu saying goodbye to the mistress. Before Konatsu leave, the mistress said "just keep it to yourself. Yotaro said it all for you, it wouldn't be right to just shoot it down". I think it's implying to keep the father to herself, revealing the father (that it's not the boss) would break all Yotaro effort.

7. S2 E8, Yakumo said "I owe you a debt I could never repay", people said this line is implied toward many directions and I agree all of them is probable. It's ambigous and could go anywhere (releasing Yotaro, keeping his secret as father, or protecting Konatsu on her teen, etc). But then, the boss reply "I've gotten as far as I have because I can keep my mouth shut". Well, that's just a strong hint for protecting Yakumo secret.

Other reason I somehow disagree with, it's for releasing Yota because Yota senior already decided to release him way before this without asking the boss permission. So, I believe it's a small matter, and it's on his discretion. Finally,

8. Rakugo Extra (manga chapter), Yakumo said "she's in love with me, isn't she?" then said how he knew her very well (probably more than herself), and it's annoying. Then he said "At that time (as she get older), I won't face her because she is your child. I'll face her as another human being". This scene hinting that at the time he face her in the future, it would be as two equal human being. Not as his child friend, or (something he never thought) as his own daughter.

Mangetsu as other option is very unlikely, Yotaro himself defeated him on getting Konatsu xD. I mean why would they decided to hide it if it was mangetsu. If it was the boss, it's because he's married. If it's Yakumo, it's illegal and unethical for them to marry. Furthermore, it's out of character and doesn't make any sense for Mangetsu to just abandon his child. So there's a series of reason why it's more favorable that the father of shinnosuke is Yakumo. Again it's just a hypothesis, but (in my opinion) it's a strongest one.

Tapyopon said:


For me, i think it's Yakumo's Son too. Another hint shown in S2 EP 11, when Yakumo died and went to the underworld, little Konatsu appeared for Shin's rakugo, as for Yakumo's performance it was little Shinnosuke. If little Shin is not his Son, then why does little Shin appeared there out of anyone else??? Why not Konatsu if he really acted as a father figure to her? This shows that Yakumo treasured little Shinnosuke so much as his own son just like how Shin treasured his daughter.

diajarips said:
I'm barely writing any post in a discussion, but this series is paramount for me. So, I'm gonna talk what I've been learning about shinnosuke father. Well, just like most people, I think it's Yakumo.

There are many reason why do I think so. Here's my list:

1. S1 E13, after the scene in which konatsu told Yotaro that she's pregnant, Yotaro asked whether the father is someone she couldn't be with (I immediately thought it was Yakumo because I only thought Yota and Yakumo as the probable option at the time). Then, master asking sukoreku whether he's mad over what he's done to his daughter just made me hypothesize that it's Yakumo.

I was like, well let's see in season 2 to prove my hypothesis.

2. S2 E2, when Yakumo found Konatsu sleeping, then Konatsu suddenly grabbed master's arm. She opened her eyes for a second, I think here she realize that she's holding Yakumo arms (or at least, sleeping beside him), but decided to keep holding it. (It's just like when you sligtly awake and want to pee in your sleep, you dismiss the thought and continue to sleep). This case is proven when she's fully awake, she threw his hand away. (again just like pee, when we completely awake, we go to the bathroom immediately). This scene looks like Konatsu was lonely and missing someone. My point is on the inside (subconsciously), she wanted Yakumo beside him, but it was irrational for her to do so.

This is Konatsu character, just like her mother said she is never honest. Just like on S2 E1, Konatsu told Yotaro that he changed her mind (about marrying him) but on the inside she's really grateful for him (which is shown afterward). And my hypothesis getting stronger here.

3. S2 E3, well Konatsu is driven home by an older man which turned out to be the mafia boss (a strong hint he is someone who have a relationship with her), then Yotaro confront her which confirms that he is the father.

My hypothesis is dead here. It was dashed by the plot. I never thought about it again.

4. S2 E12, sensei confront Konatsu about the true father of shin, and she had a smirk before sipping her coffee/tea. Well, she didn't confirms nor denies it. Although, there's a quote which favor Yakumo as the father "The boss, the mistress, and Yakumo-san have all passed away. I'll be taking it to hell with me". I mean if the father is the boss, what she would take to hell, everybody already knew it.

Here, my hypothesis is comeback to life. However, just like everyone said it could be Konatsu just being teaseful to sensei. But then, someone on reddit pointed me to

5. Rakugo extra (manga chapter), we learn about Konatsu as a teen. This chapter mostly disregard the assumption that the boss is the father. The boss said "I could never go for a kid, so I turned her down". This quote could be disregarded cause Konatsu is getting older. But then "I want to keep your world and mine (Yakumo) separate". This line strongly disregard the boss as the father, I belive the boss is a discipline and strong-willed person that he won't change his mind about this. Moreover pages later, the boss said "rather than Konatsu being in love with me, I think she just want to worry you, master".

My hypotesis is alive. One thing that always bother me about the boss as the father is he is having an affair with the mistress. I think it's unlikely that he'd play around with many girls, especially Konatsu (a foster-daughter of someone he respected). It would ruin Konatsu character as a female, she want to be a better person than her mother (who's whoring around). She works a honest job in the restaurant. Also, I rewatch the Yotaro accusation of the gang boss (S2 E3) and realize that both the boss and konatsu never confirm Yotaro assumption. Furthermore, I read some discussion, and found some stuff.

6. S2 E3, when kotaro and konatsu saying goodbye to the mistress. Before Konatsu leave, the mistress said "just keep it to yourself. Yotaro said it all for you, it wouldn't be right to just shoot it down". I think it's implying to keep the father to herself, revealing the father (that it's not the boss) would break all Yotaro effort.

7. S2 E8, Yakumo said "I owe you a debt I could never repay", people said this line is implied toward many directions and I agree all of them is probable. It's ambigous and could go anywhere (releasing Yotaro, keeping his secret as father, or protecting Konatsu on her teen, etc). But then, the boss reply "I've gotten as far as I have because I can keep my mouth shut". Well, that's just a strong hint for protecting Yakumo secret.

Other reason I somehow disagree with, it's for releasing Yota because Yota senior already decided to release him way before this without asking the boss permission. So, I believe it's a small matter, and it's on his discretion. Finally,

8. Rakugo Extra (manga chapter), Yakumo said "she's in love with me, isn't she?" then said how he knew her very well (probably more than herself), and it's annoying. Then he said "At that time (as she get older), I won't face her because she is your child. I'll face her as another human being". This scene hinting that at the time he face her in the future, it would be as two equal human being. Not as his child friend, or (something he never thought) as his own daughter.

Mangetsu as other option is very unlikely, Yotaro himself defeated him on getting Konatsu xD. I mean why would they decided to hide it if it was mangetsu. If it was the boss, it's because he's married. If it's Yakumo, it's illegal and unethical for them to marry. Furthermore, it's out of character and doesn't make any sense for Mangetsu to just abandon his child. So there's a series of reason why it's more favorable that the father of shinnosuke is Yakumo. Again it's just a hypothesis, but (in my opinion) it's a strongest one.

mirrorgirl said:


^All of this seems very logical. Adding onto it is the fact that Yakumo himself states that he was never able to quite let Miyokichi (Yurie) go. Konatsu is beautiful and does (in my opinion) carry a resemblance to Yurie, despite them being very different, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Yakumo at some point wavered, with the result being Shinnosuke. Let's also not forget that Yakumo seemed to dislike children, but warmed up to Shinnosuke rather quickly.

diajarips said:
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Note: I don't get the hate of Konatsu-Yakumo relationship, I mean they're not incest. Yakumo didn't treat Konatsu like his kid, just like he said in the first season "as long as you go to school, you can do anything you want". Although we know later on Yakumo forbid Konatsu to do Rakugo which is, in his mind, for a good reason (I'd need another paragraph to elaborate about this, so I won't spam here unless people asked). The terrible point of incest is your kid could ruined because of the close DNA, but look how Shin turned out to be.

Lola_LaLoka said:

6. She said to Yakumo ((when she talked about the baby in her stomach before he passed away)) "i guess i really am a slave to my blood" why did she say that to him? Is it because the second child is Yotarous and this time it wont be Yakumos child? Foreal why did she say that.

bastek66 said:
According to additional short side chapter it's Yakumo.

That's some really fuck up stuff...
Fucking josei mangakas.

Jacksnapp said:

Wow now that I think about it, she might have meant how Miyokichi had a child with Sukeroku whom she wasn't actually in love with to spite Yakumo while actually being in love with Yakumo. If he really is the father and Chinatsu loved him, then this would make her Miyokichi and Yotaro Sukeroku

N0rth_Stardust said:
So I'm guessing evidence was intentionally distributed equally to both arguments so as to keep up the mystery? Good enough for me.

RobertBobert said:




The second season clearly shows that Oneesan truly loved the fathers of each of her children. In this case, the "slave of the blood" implies that the identity of her father and the history of her childhood tightly connects her with the situation in which she is now.

Jacksnapp said:


I hope you don't mind me asking you to explain it further but I don't see the connection to Yotaro in your interpretation?
Edit: I mean I get that Yotaro's like a surrogate Sukeroku in many ways for both of them but is that really all you meant?

heroyin said:
Kiku IS not the father - confirmed gay by Kumota
https://twitter.com/KUMOHARU/status/1132973187472355328?s=20

heroyin said:
Kiku IS not the father - confirmed gay by Kumota
https://twitter.com/KUMOHARU/status/1132973187472355328?s=20

jeannelle said:


they end up receiving given names when entering rakugo, no?