‘Obscene’ U.S. Manga Collector Jailed 6 Months

Silverhammer said:
Who has the right to decide what constitues "serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value"? Also, can American custom officials just go through peoples' packages as they wish? Mountain of shit here.

Silverhammer said:
Also, can American custom officials just go through peoples' packages as they wish?

BadLuckTuck said:
It could be worse...he could have had underage bestiality...that's grounds for life in prison or lethal injection.

MisterSaito said:
That's the job of any custom official.

Gogetters said:
l) but i don't think they can just go in any mail for the hell of it. That would be invasion of privacy.

It seems surprising to me that customs officials would have any reason to be suspicious of a package of comic books.

YoungVagabond said:
In all fairness, that 40 year old dude is a fucking moron.

When I first started looking at (real, not comic) Internet porn at the age of 13, and my father found out, he told me, "Whatever you do, don't ever look at pictures involving animals, children, or snuff (violence/death). That material is ILLEGAL to even observe."

You can bitch all you like about this law, but it exists,

and it's not going to change.

And it includes all such depictions, whether real or constructed. This is fairly well-known, and even the most extreme websites avoid any such depictions, with numerous disclaimers.

Six months in jail is a relatively light punishment for stupidity.

Customs agents don't need a reason; they are legally required to check EVERY package that makes its way into this country. That's their fucking job.

Silverhammer said:
What makes you say that, may I ask?

SilverHammer said:
I don't think there can be any debate that material involving actual abuse is morally unacceptable, but the distinction between real people being harmed and drawings seems a significant one.

SilverHammer said:
Does it bother you slightly that the man is in jail for buying comic books? I'd like to think the law is there to stop people causing harm rather than to enforce ideology.

Baman said:
Completely retarded. So if reading entirely fictional shit about this, that does not harm anyone, is illegal, then how long till watching violent movies and playing violent games get illegal? It's just the same thing, someone enjoying fictional depictions of a illegal act.

With this retarded logic, nearly all games and movies, even a lot of music, should be illegalized.

This is a seriously unsettling and tyrannic principle. So much for "freedom".

YoungVagabound said:




I largely agree, but it's a distinction the present law doesn't make. Since it's not going to change, one has to learn to abide by it.

YoungVagabond said:

Here's a better question; why do you possibly think anyone would want to change this law?

I largely agree, but it's a distinction the present law doesn't make. Since it's not going to change, one has to learn to abide by it.

Similarly, this man chose to break a law because of his personal enjoyment of seeing cartoon little girls get fucked by animals, and did so in the most blatant and stupid manner possible.

If I go 100 mph on the freeway while having a few beers to put me over the legal BAC limit, and then tell the cop who pulls me over to go fuck himself, I'll be in big trouble too. And it will be my fault, even if I didn't hurt anyone else.

Kamehamayhem said:


Violence is considered less of a taboo compared to child porn and bestiality. I have no idea where society draws the line, but watching 10 year olds screw each other does seem ALOT worse than any violent videogame.

Silverhammer said:

That is a good point. You wouldn't exactly have the crowd behind you, fighting for the rights of shifty men looking at dirty pictures of little girls, so realistically, campaigners to change such a law are not going to succeed. It still seems unjust that such a thing could be grounds for emprisonment, but as you say, the law isn't perfect and sometimes I suspect it is necessary that it be imperfect.

Drunk_Samurai said:
Lolicon is never child porn. Drawings never hurt anybody.

Monad said:


There is a very good reason to change such a little with out having anything to do with supporting the rights of people who want to look at dirty pictures. It's called freedom of expression.

Mystere said:
Wow, the police must really have nothing better to do. I wonder who reported his collection to the police in the first place.

This guy does seem to have a few loose bolts in his head (lolis and bestiality?!), but it's not like he actually did anything like that. They could've just forced him into therapy instead of prison.

Drunk_Samurai said:


Why the fuck would he need to go to therapy over a bunch of drawings?

Silverhammer Also, can American custom officials just go through peoples' packages as they wish?[/quote said:


US Customs agents are the only agency that has the authority to arbitrarily go through your baggage for any reason whatsoever. No probable cause or even suspicion is needed; they're supposed to be the only agents that have that much power though. Other agencies usually need a signed order from a judge to do that kind of search, but some are better at following the rules than others.



That was out of the blue? Legalizing drugs solves a lot of problems, even though it opens the doors to many others. Once something is legalized its appeal tend to go down for those looking to live life on the edge. Good portion of people heavily curtail their drinking (if they were big underage dirnkers) after they turn 21. The tax revenue that you'd get from THC sales alone would be in the billions.

Don't exaclty feel that some of the dangerous ones should be openly legal like Heroin, PCP or crack. MAYBE if they regulated it somewhat like it is in Amsterdam (least last time I was there) that you can only buy Pot in coffee shops and isn't sold in bars. A few Opium dens here and there would relieve a lot of stress in the population; of all the drugs opiates are the least harmful physically and socially.

YoungVagabond said:
In all fairness, that 40 year old dude is a fucking moron.

When I first started looking at (real, not comic) Internet porn at the age of 13, and my father found out, he told me, "Whatever you do, don't ever look at pictures involving animals, children, or snuff (violence/death). That material is ILLEGAL to even observe."

You can bitch all you like about this law, but it exists, and it's not going to change. And it includes all such depictions, whether real or constructed. This is fairly well-known, and even the most extreme websites avoid any such depictions, with numerous disclaimers.

The guy in the article is a true idiot for blatantly exporting the stuff. Six months in jail is a relatively light punishment for stupidity.

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Customs agents don't need a reason; they are legally required to check EVERY package that makes its way into this country. That's their fucking job.

Beatnik said:
And recently in the UK a guy got fined for blowing his nose in his own parked car.

Monad said:
The reason real child porn videos or bestiality videos are illegal is because for them to be made a real child or animal is getting abused.

Baman said:
And I can't really think of how bestiality can inflict physical harm. Or maybe that's just my imagination failing me.

Baman said:
Uh, what? How? That sounds just too ridiculous to be true.

Baman said:
Well, in the case of animals, I would have to question whether or not bestiality actually counts as abuse.
Dumb animals can't get mental scars like we humans can, so that's out of the question, leaving only the possibility of physical harm. And I can't really think of how bestiality can inflict physical harm. Or maybe that's just my imagination failing me.

Mujina said:

His car was parked, as in not moving, in traffic. That's just silly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8484978.stm

Mujina said:
Well since animals can't give consent, wouldn't that qualify as physical harm?

Athena said:
I don't mean to sound like a PETA activist, but seriously, "dumb animals"? Dumber than the people who are desperate enough to bang these animals? Because the act of bestiality can't be love or attraction, it's lust, desperation and the need to release or something. And instead of getting a lady/man or hell, hiring a prostitute, they victimise an animal.

And it may not be physical harm, but it's still abuse - the point Monad was trying to make.

Animals also don't normally give consent when mating.

Baman said:

Animals aren't sentient like us. Of course, that does not mean we should harm them just for fun. But unless the animal is harmed physically, how on earth can it be "victimized"?
I just don't see the problem with a action that no one is hurt from, it's just the same as with the lolicon doujins and violent games. Without a victim, there should be no crime.

Sukunai said:
Loli never hurts anyone is the same fucked in the head logic that piracy hurts no one.

Stop pretending it's a victimless crime you retards. If you do it, you promote it, condone it and support it.

My only concern is 'what exactly is 'loli'? by age determination.

Here in Canada, that which you can stick your cock into varies quite a bit by circumstance.

But loli media is just media. What though is the cut off age when it should be considered 'unacceptable' to the majority of the voting public?

My vote goes to 12 and under. Depiction of or actual photo of actual person I don't feel like making any distinction.

But to sit butt naked emptying one's balls playing with oneself looking at pictures of teenager aged hentai art while good for some serious embarrassment when caught if you happen to be old enough to be a teen's father, is not on par with getting off looking at naked images of persons 12 and under.

As for the bestiality, well the dude is a very disgusting individual indeed. I don't like his chances of being in for 6 months and being safe the entire time. It's going to be a very long 6 months for him. He'd be safer if he'd robbed a bank and killed someone doing it. Of course he'd be in a lot longer for that, but he'd likely not be a target of other inmates. They don't like sick perverts.

Sukunai said:
Loli never hurts anyone is the same fucked in the head logic that piracy hurts no one.

Stop pretending it's a victimless crime you retards. If you do it, you promote it, condone it and support it.