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What Japan doesn't need: Nationalistic indocrination of Kindergarden aged kids in Japanese schools

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Dec 12, 2016 5:22 PM
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This is not right whatsoever.

https://www.japantoday.com/category/lifestyle/view/japanese-kindergarten-teaches-students-pre-war-ideals

Ideals that tell you that you MUST offer yourself to the state in "emergencies" should not be taught to kids this young. Also, taking school trips to bases? Yeah, I don't think this is patriotism at all, it's promoting militaristic ideals. This is not even remotely good for the kids nor Japan as a whole. There is a fine line between Patriotism and Nationalism.


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Dec 12, 2016 8:19 PM
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That's what you gt for not having a left wing party... yes Japan has no left wing party thee only big one they had dibaanded.
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Dec 12, 2016 9:08 PM
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It's normal when you're facing someone intentionally trigger you to have dozens of emergency jet scramble per day.
Dec 12, 2016 9:36 PM
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Good. The West needs to do the same, kick out Muslims, then go to space. See you there, Japan.
Dec 12, 2016 9:36 PM
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Bad goyim! Instead, we should be teaching them about the 94 genders and the teachings of the Quran!
Dec 12, 2016 9:51 PM
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slightly reminder that this is normal in most east and SEA country... and japan is not lonely on this... don't freaked out simply because it japan, and neglecting the other...
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on."
Dec 12, 2016 10:18 PM
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Altairius said:
Good. The West needs to do the same, kick out Muslims, then go to space. See you there, Japan.

Dream on space fash.
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traed said:
Altairius said:
Good. The West needs to do the same, kick out Muslims, then go to space. See you there, Japan.

Dream on space fash.


Why not make it real?

Dec 13, 2016 4:53 AM
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razor39999 said:
Patriotism in and of itself is a stupid idea to harbor imo. Local patriotism on a small scale, for the specific area/town you live in I can understand, but the further you go, the more differences you see in people and less of a need to classify them as part of the in-group.


The distinctions between towns are far less substantial than the distinctions between nations.
Dec 13, 2016 5:40 AM

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Nationalism isn't necessarily a bad thing, it depends on how its used.

It definitely needs to be accompanied by non-interventionism.
Granted non-interventionism is a good policy regardless.

I do agree that it shouldn't be taught to kids.
The state has no business brainwashing children.
Dec 13, 2016 7:30 AM

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Because we all know how well that worked out during WW2
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@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
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Dec 13, 2016 7:52 AM

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traed said:
That's what you gt for not having a left wing party... yes Japan has no left wing party thee only big one they had dibaanded.


The Communist Party of Japan is still around and has a few seats in the Diet. Though I doubt they mind the nationalist deal.

Nationalism in and of it's self is not bad.
Dec 13, 2016 8:13 AM

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RedArmyShogun said:
traed said:
That's what you gt for not having a left wing party... yes Japan has no left wing party thee only big one they had dibaanded.


The Communist Party of Japan is still around and has a few seats in the Diet. Though I doubt they mind the nationalist deal.

Nationalism in and of it's self is not bad.

I dont think think it is too larg. Im not sure what one disbanded I had lost the link i saw a while ago but i saw people talk about how it was the last major party but perhaps they were mistaken.
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Dec 13, 2016 9:53 AM

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I understand the motive because Japan neighbors China and North Korea. Then again, nationalism is such an irrational and arbitrary attitude, nothing good ever comes of it.
Dec 13, 2016 9:57 AM
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traed said:
That's what you gt for not having a left wing party... yes Japan has no left wing party thee only big one they had dibaanded.


not true there comuunust party the JSP and JSDP


and the proof liberal are righ ign comes from Japan the LDP are the right wing party
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
Dec 13, 2016 10:37 AM

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Rarusu_ said:
It's beacuase of Nationalism we have countries like Germany, Czech Republic and Italy today. National identity and sentiment is necessary to keep a country cohesive.

Germany and Italy are modern concepts that I'm sure weren't even necessary. Prussia, Bavaria, Venice, Milan, Florence, and a plethora of other regional states would probably have fared just fine into contemporary history if it were not for collective military ambitions.
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razor39999 said:
Patriotism in and of itself is a stupid idea to harbor imo. Local patriotism on a small scale, for the specific area/town you live in I can understand, but the further you go, the more differences you see in people and less of a need to classify them as part of the in-group.


Patriotism is essentially the 'ideal' that provides for conscious national unity.
If you think more local patriotism makes more sense, then you're advocating that more local autonomy makes more sense. These things can't really be logically separated. A nation and a country is not a physical thing, it's an "idea". And by removing patriotism you therefore remove the "idea" of the necessity of having that country or nation exist.

I'm not saying one or the other is better I'm just saying what are the long-term implications of 'ideological separatism'. Certainly you can advocate the fragmentation of Japan (or any other country) into smaller nations. But would that really have a good economic/security impact on the people? I kinda doubt it.
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Germany and Italy are modern concepts that I'm sure weren't even necessary. Prussia, Bavaria, Venice, Milan, Florence, and a plethora of other regional states would probably have fared just fine into contemporary history if it were not for collective military ambitions.

Well, they were necessary for their military ambitions. Germany and Italy did exist however as terms, but they weren't unified political units.

My point was that if military ambition is usually the reason for nationalism, perhaps nationalism isn't so great. Germany and Italy did indeed exist as terms, but mostly for identifying geographic regions (Italia, Germania, Gaul, etc), not people, their culture, or their states.
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Great! So when do we begin the re-invasion of Manchuria?
People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol
Dec 13, 2016 6:41 PM

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Great! So when do we begin the re-invasion of Manchuria?


Yes, we all know what having a national identity leads to.

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Yeah fuck that shit we don't need another 'Gate' on our hands because holy shit that anime sucked dicks.
Dec 14, 2016 5:43 AM

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Patriotism is essentially the 'ideal' that provides for conscious national unity.
If you think more local patriotism makes more sense, then you're advocating that more local autonomy makes more sense. These things can't really be logically separated. A nation and a country is not a physical thing, it's an "idea". And by removing patriotism you therefore remove the "idea" of the necessity of having that country or nation exist.

I'm not saying one or the other is better I'm just saying what are the long-term implications of 'ideological separatism'. Certainly you can advocate the fragmentation of Japan (or any other country) into smaller nations. But would that really have a good economic/security impact on the people? I kinda doubt it.
If you look at the way ancient Greece worked, or the various regions of what is now Italy and Germany that Nvortex mentioned, or Japan from your example, those were all a lot more close knit, sort of how states or even counties work in the US. And that small scale community (and especially your family and friends) is the one you have in mind and heart when and if you have to fight and potentially die in a war, which would be the ultimate expression of patriotism. The modern states have managed to steal that sentiment and infuse it into larger units (and we can thank the current economical system for keeping them going), but you still love the people and place where you live, with the rest of your country being a secondary afterthought. So yes, if it were up to me, and even if it had the effect of shattering the world's economic system, I would advocate for more local autonomy. Good it's not up to me aye?


Surely you must understand the simple fact that the more you fragment something big into smaller pieces, the more squabbling you produce over resources and borders, the more wars you create.
Not saying it's bad or good. Just saying.
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Germany and Italy did indeed exist as terms, but mostly for identifying geographic regions (Italia, Germania, Gaul, etc), not people, their culture, or their states.
That's not quite accurate. The Term "deutsch" (German) has been already used by the old Franks to speak of a common People, who could understand their Language. Having Plurality within a Culture doesn't imply that there hasn't been a common one.
In a Sense, "Deutschland" (the Term is btw. much older than the German Empire of 1871) did refer to a geographic Region rather than to a political one, however, it was dependent on the Population of the Country, instead of being tied to a certain Spot indefinitely.
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That's not quite accurate. The Term "deutsch" (German) has been already used by the old Franks to speak of a common People, who could understand their Language. Having Plurality within a Culture doesn't imply that there hasn't been a common one.
In a Sense, "Deutschland" (the Term is btw. much older than the German Empire of 1871) did refer to a geographic Region rather than to a political one, however, it was dependent on the Population of the Country, instead of being tied to a certain Spot indefinitely.
Most nations of today (especially in Europe) are linguistic groups from a historical perspective, with very distinct local identities.
Yes, but that does not mean that a Nation or a national Identity would be just a Question of Politics. The People have to have at the very least enough Things in common to easily understand each other; both with their Traditions + Customs, and with their Language. Also, looking similar by having a similar, genetic Background for Example, would be also an important Factor to view someone as being from the same Ethnicity.
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This historical season is really boring, it's just a recap of the last one... come on, new ideas people, new ideas!

I just need to know some last century history to all ready have the whole story spoiled.
Dec 15, 2016 10:37 AM

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we need the japanese people to protect our animus
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Welcome to the Eastern world
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Even with all these modern technologies, world still isn't safe.
No, the world may have gotten way more dangerous.
What is going to happen if more countries are going to have stronger nukes in the future?
Why there are more stronger offensive weapons than stronger defensive weapons exists in the first place?

Just what of these Patriotism and Nationalism when if it brings more hate and distrusts between each other countries?
What is the root of the manner for this whole situation?
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i love how you guys immedietly interpreted the whole thing about "nationalism" and "patriotism" is automaticaly encouraging to wars and country power... something that totaly not what we get...
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