Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Bushishi said: *facepalms* "Death isn't even a PUNISHMENT for you"...That translates as, "being killed isn't punishing enough for you". *shrug* It's the official translation, not mine. And there are 23629 different explanations of this line which do not include body-snatching. Don't you think you're trying to reverse-justify your knowledge? To someone who does not have this knowledge, this is insufficient to conclude body-snatching going on. |
Revert67 said: Mentar said: If you're referring to the other "fingers": Why would this indicate possession? They existed _and fought_ independent of Betelgeuse in the past. A more logical explanation would be that they're simply other "sins" who are just as wack as Betelgeuse. Well, but they did use the "Authority of Sloth: Unseen Hands" and had the same mannerism and way of speaking Betelgeuse had. While there might be more interpretations it is at least heavily implied that they are in fact Betelgeuse. They also lost the same book(Gospel) to Subaru btw. |
Revert67 said: Well, but they did use the "Authority of Sloth: Unseen Hands" and had the same mannerism and way of speaking Betelgeuse had. While there might be more interpretations it is at least heavily implied that they are in fact Betelgeuse. Er, no? It does not? Why would it be unexpected to believe that members of a religious cult do not have similar magical abilities? Also, not just Betelgeuse used the Unseen Hands, but also Romanee-Conti. I see no reason to believe that the other fingers _who were fighting simultaneously_ were all instances of Betelgeuse. Makes no sense at all. |
| Wouldn't be surprised if it so happened that Subaru wouldn't die by Rem showing up or something like that and then somehow getting his body back, especially because there's only 2 episodes left. Also kind of dislike that Petelguese is back but then again, it would be anti-climatic if he had died off the last episode. |
| That ending was really wtf. But I still couldn't help but to laugh seeing Subaru acting like beetle juice. Those trap tears ;_;  |
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Bushishi said: Also, what does reverse-justify mean? I'll try to explain. It means that you have special knowledge about something, and you point at observations which fit with your knowledge. However, _without_ this special knowledge, the observations are unclear and cannot lead the viewer to the conclusion. Or, in simpler terms: If you know the story and Betelgeuse's ability to body-snatch, it's possible to pick up "foreboding" lines like "Death no punishment". But if you do NOT know the story, body-snatching is only one of many many other possible interpretations of this quote. And to be honest, not a very likely one at all. I suspect that this is why people with novel/summary knowledge seem to enjoy the show much more than "uninitiated" viewers like me. |
| His mind was trembling indeed... O_o |
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FrozenSheep said: His mind was trembling indeed... O_o That's what Subaru gets for acting coy! Who knows he might even use a gospel as a coaster in the future too! |
| Fuck you beetlejuice |
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| When you thought there will be happy ending after all of this crazy thing, but then they like "Oh wait, let me give you another bad ending haha". Restart again, don't know where his last checkpoint tho. Haha. Can't wait to see next episode! |
Mentar said: If you're referring to the other "fingers": Why would this indicate possession? They existed _and fought_ independent of Betelgeuse in the past. If that's the case then why did one of the fingers believe they had the gospel with them last episode? It's the part at exact 17:45. |
| Well, i was never close to tearing up but i was so immersed into this episode. The VA's are really just too amazing. The visuals were spectacular as well. I'm generally curious as to what Ferris did to Subaru when he asked him to kill him... Since we didn't actually get to see him do anything but just heard a sound effect... Only thing i can think of is he snapped his neck really... Ferris btw, he died and used his ability to revive... they cut that part out of the anime. |
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Bushishi said: Mentar said: A hallucinating and dying Subaru laughing while he isn't unsure whether or not it's him laughing is evidence for "possession shiz"? Sorry, I'm calling shenanigans. If you're referring to the other "fingers": Why would this indicate possession? They existed _and fought_ independent of Betelgeuse in the past. A more logical explanation would be that they're simply other "sins" who are just as wack as Betelgeuse. Probably my brain operates differently to this show's writer. And this time, I was trying very hard NOT to spoil myself with summaries. I generally love mystery shows like this, and with original shows, I generally have an excellent track record in following and predicting developments. But Zero is _very_ incoherent to me. Yeah, it wasn't completely clear whether Subaru was just being batshit-crazy or it was possession. Could've been either one. Oh, and continue your track record of NOT spoiling stuff. I'm jealous. Cmon guys he was clearly possessed. He's even introduces himself as Betelgeuse and acts like and every other Finger we have seen. These aren't the questions you should be asking at this point. |
| knew it was coming since he hasn't died in awhile |
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_Hans_ said: Zethorax said: Nope. That's just you're interpretation,I'm not saying it's wrong but it's unlikely. I think she was crying,mainly because of 3 reasons. Reason 1 and 2 being most likely. 1. The villagers,a majority of them are dead. We all know Emilia is a softy and seeing people she was meant to protect dead or suffering, broke her. 2.She killed someone. We have not seen Emilia kill anyone throughout the anime. This might be the first time she does and it messed with her. 3.Overwhelmed. Everything happened so fast,she was helpless to stop it even though she had prior knowledge of it.She was just overwhelmed by everything and cried. The villagers still didn't acknowledge her. Look at their faces,some were discontent. No one cheered. They clearly still blamed her for what occurred. So no,they still see her as an evil half elf,it would take more than killing one member of the witches cult to convince them otherwise. You're overthinking it. Im not downplaying ur interpretation but you seem to be reaching when its quite simple what happened in that moment. She is a victim of racism and finally had her moment free from it Fappa explained it better than I could "It’s somewhat crazy but also nice to see that Emilia doesn’t hesitate to kill once it’s directed at the right people. I love the moment after everything is done and Emilia witnesses the gazes of the people around her. This time it’s not because of resentment, no, they are gazes of gratitude. This was needed to spark something within the villagers and to make them realize that she’s the one protecting them. I can only imagine the emotions that must go through Emilia. I mean she has been the victim of racism and resentment her entire life or so it seems like. For her to have this tiny moment must be really overwhelming. The girl who is known to us for all her good will proves her innocent stance by killing someone, quite the irony." A moment free from racism and then you cry about it? Discrimination is not that simple. Emilia has been helping people her entire life,whether they accept her or not she did not care. She was still seen as a despicable half elf,look at the faces of the people. They look at her with scorn,so the tears weren't for a freedom of discrimination that she was subjected to HER WHOLE life. Highly unlikely. Even in that short moment,some saw her as an evil half elf. "It's all her fault my family is dead. They were looking for her anyway,damn half elf" etc |
ZethoraxSep 4, 2016 5:24 PM
| Ok, next time won't read previous comments, darn it I was spoiled. That ending is just fine. It came to this sadly... |
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Smudy said: RockerXD said: my reaction when Emilia shows up No mic skills Shoved down our throats And buries over as fuck girls like Rem As a WWE watcher, this is actually hilarious. REM FOR WWE CHAMPION (Waifu Wars Entertainment) |
| No word it was absolutely amazing. That ending though Gooooosh I want the next 2 episodes right NOW!! DO ME THIS FABOR WHITE FOX PLIIIIIZ |
| A Story will always come to it's end. The thing is, will you move on after it's over? |
UnicornBeef said: Wouldn't be surprised if it so happened that Subaru wouldn't die by Rem showing up or something like that and then somehow getting his body back, especially because there's only 2 episodes left. Also kind of dislike that Petelguese is back but then again, it would be anti-climatic if he had died off the last episode. I feel bad things regarding Rem,the letter she was suppose to send was blank.....A blank letter in this world means war,she would send that on purpose. Something happened to them,something bad. |
| Too bad for Barusu I guess. Didn't expect that he would get killed now, but since he did - I'm pretty sure that the time of his reset will conveniently change to after their fight with white whales. At least it better do, I don't want to suffer through that one more time lol. Also I'm really sad that Betelgeuse didn't die (of course he didn't :/). I freaking hate his guts. |
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Zethorax said: UnicornBeef said: Wouldn't be surprised if it so happened that Subaru wouldn't die by Rem showing up or something like that and then somehow getting his body back, especially because there's only 2 episodes left. Also kind of dislike that Petelguese is back but then again, it would be anti-climatic if he had died off the last episode. I feel bad things regarding Rem,the letter she was suppose to send was blank.....A blank letter in this world means war,she would send that on purpose. Something happened to them,something bad. A messenger from Crusch's household (3.00 episode 22) was to send that letter. I don't know why you are mentioning Rem here. This messenger probably got offed by one of the cultists hiding among the merchants. And afterwards the cultists sent the letter. That or some other party is messing with things. |
| Holy moly that ending, can't wait to see when is the respawn, probably before the ep 22 I guess |
| 2 episodes left and my brain TREMBLES!! |
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| lol, and i thought ram was one of the witch cult but fortunately she isn't. guess i was overthinking it. overall it was a fucking fucked up episode imo. well, i mean the ending. i really like this episode cause it deepens the relationship between subaru and julius and not only that, it deepens the relationship between felis too. thus that ending is the main reason why they did that in this episode. tbh, i like it a lot cause that ending was so emotional to me. and when i saw betejuice in subaru's body, i'm like "the bastard is back lmao xD xD" but seriously, subaru's death in this episode was pretty emotional cause it involves with juilius and felis which their relationship to subaru was starting to get closer. Julius was even making a sad face. that suprised me. moreover felis was crying. lol, when felis started to cry, it was getting more emotional tha i almost cried too. and put that aside, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME ? with subaru's death, now he must do it from the FUCKING beginning again ? ARE YOU FREAKING REAL ? after all the effort that he did, it just went away like that cause of that bastard ? god dammit. i seriously wonder what will happen in the next episode. i just don't want subaru to die at this point. i hope. looking foward to the next episode. |
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| That ending! That caught me off guard. What really got me is that Subaru asked his friends to kill him instead of asking to be saved like usual. WHAT AN EPISODE!! I really hope he doesn't have to go back too far from his last save point and redo all his hard work and effort. |
You can just be yourself. Do things your own way, one step at a time. You'll get there. Just be yourself, you'll be fine." ~Fruit Basket |
| I still enjoy this show, but I kind of feel like it's dragging a bit at this point. It's starting to feel like "Oh, another cliffhanger...yay". I really am more interested in how Subaru got transported to this world in the first place and why. I wonder if they'll answer that or if I just missed it somewhere. |
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| aw man fucking had a perfect run Wilhelm had a insane kill streak Emilia showed up all ruined,i had to find out when the reset was it because it's been far to long without one. shout out to Mr J and Felix they've grown on me ,just why you gotta make Felix a trap tho.. |
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 Sounds shitty and racist right? Except we know that the fearful villagers are actually 100% right, the cultists are targeting Emilia. Everyone else is just collateral damage. So they are justified in their weird fantasy-prejudice against her. Well anyway, let's see how hard it is to convince them otherwise, Subaru  Oh right, he doesn't have to, he just needs them to leave so they don't get hurt. They can hate on half-elfs all day. That's a little disappointing because it's a bizarre situation where the dumb xenophobic hicks are actually justified in the story and the protagonists can't tell them they're wrong about their seemingly backwards beliefs. Whenever these kinds of situations show up in stories, the dumb racists get convinced that their hate is wrong and that the people they hate are just like everybody else, "everybody just learn to get along". But Emilia isn't like everybody else, even Subaru is cursed because of Emilia (or it seems that way now), and her presence is why a deathcult wants to slaughter everyone. It's just slightly disappointing because subaru can just skirt the issue now because he just needs everyone to leave, instead of convincing these villagers they're wrong for hating emilia, even though the villagers are right to do so |
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| It's kinda weird that the chibi's + Ricardo were offscreen for most of this episode, now that I think about. I guess we'll see them fighting some of the fingers that have been killed offscreen in the next episodes. On that topic, we didn't see Wilhelm or the former people I mentioned alive at the end either. Doubt it matters though. |
SuperKirei said: Facts are facts. They’ll find a way to bullshit their way out in the first 5 min; just like the last 22 cliff-hangers. for some reason you remind me of the kingpin |
| subaru please do me a huge favor and dont respawn this time. ty |
| Scream! |
| I take back what I said, Re:zero deserves to have at least a 8.5 after this finale. So many things happened; Julis turned ouut to be a cool guy in the end, Felis can fight, Ram wasn't evil and Emilia might have good relations with the village after Man of Steel ing the last finger and Subaru made his final selfless sacrifice. A fitting end considering his selfish nature during and possibly before the series. I'm so ready to tune in to the sequel where the spirit of sloth goes to the unexpected the person, Slothman in, "Emilia v. Rem: Dawn of Best Girl". Real thoughts: Re:zero is weird because I don't know for sure how I feel about the show. On one hand, it has episodes like this that reminds me on how great this show is. On the other, I have some problems with the show that prevents me from fully enjoying it (my main problems comes from episodes 14-18). |
FragOutFire said: It's just slightly disappointing because subaru can just skirt the issue now because he just needs everyone to leave, instead of convincing these villagers they're wrong for hating emilia, even though the villagers are right to do so I'm sure you remember, but in episode 14 he couldn't convince people that racism is bad either. The apple dude was having none of whatever he was trying to say. I'm sure deep down Emilia knows that the attack of the witch cult was on some level her fault. There's no telling what exactly made her cry at the end. But i'm sure guilt is one of the emotions she felt strongly. It seems Re;zero is actually going to make an effort somewhere down the line to make Emilia redeem herself in the eyes of the populace, but it won't be easy. There are simply to many valid reasons to hate on her, This isn't a case of simply being a half-elf, but she looks like Satella an existance worse than Hitler in their world. Furthermore she has a lot of power at her disposal in Puck, which doesn't really make people feel at ease either. Unless she somehow becomes a hero like Subaru, I don't see Emilia getting a freepass to popularity. |
| All the betelgeuse knockoffs having the exact same personality/verbal ticks are super lame That ending was cool as hell though |
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FragOutFire said: All the betelgeuse knockoffs having the exact same personality/verbal ticks are super lame That ending was cool as hell though They're not knockoffs, they are Betelgeuse, so it makes perfect sense. |
| I hope they sneak in a Season 2 tease at the end of episode 25. Because the cliffhanger would be unlike anything yall ever experienced lol I can't believe it only 2 episodes left. ;__; |
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
Bushishi said: Verifax said: I'm sure you remember, but in episode 14 he couldn't convince people that racism is bad either. The apple dude was having none of whatever he was trying to say. I'm sure deep down Emilia knows that the attack of the witch cult was on some level her fault. There's no telling what exactly made her cry at the end. But i'm sure guilt is one of the emotions she felt strongly. It seems Re;zero is actually going to make an effort somewhere down the line to make Emilia redeem herself in the eyes of the populace, but it won't be easy. There are simply to many valid reasons to hate on her, This isn't a case of simply being a half-elf, but she looks like Satella an existance worse than Hitler in their world. Furthermore she has a lot of power at her disposal in Puck, which doesn't really make people feel at ease either. Unless she somehow becomes a hero like Subaru, I don't see Emilia getting a freepass to popularity. Speaking of Puck, am I the only one that speculates Subaru will/should have PTSD flashbacks when meeting him again? The furry thing did...yeah. I can't imagine what Puck did will allow Subaru to just forget about it easily. Subaru: "Oh hey Puck, long time no see man, last time we met you turned into a giant furry monster, decided to destroy the world 'cause Emilia died, and then froze me to death! That so has not traumatized me in any way!" Funny thing is, is that Puck did that 3 times. But yea I'd ask that little critter everything. Since it seems to know everything. I don't think he'll be too bothered though. He got over his trauma with Rem & Ram killing him, pretty quickly. |
FragOutFire said: Sounds shitty and racist right? Except we know that the fearful villagers are actually 100% right, the cultists are targeting Emilia. Everyone else is just collateral damage. So they are justified in their weird fantasy-prejudice against her. Well anyway, let's see how hard it is to convince them otherwise, Subaru Oh right, he doesn't have to, he just needs them to leave so they don't get hurt. They can hate on half-elfs all day. That's a little disappointing because it's a bizarre situation where the dumb xenophobic hicks are actually justified in the story and the protagonists can't tell them they're wrong about their seemingly backwards beliefs. Whenever these kinds of situations show up in stories, the dumb racists get convinced that their hate is wrong and that the people they hate are just like everybody else, "everybody just learn to get along". But Emilia isn't like everybody else, even Subaru is cursed because of Emilia (or it seems that way now), and her presence is why a deathcult wants to slaughter everyone. It's just slightly disappointing because subaru can just skirt the issue now because he just needs everyone to leave, instead of convincing these villagers they're wrong for hating emilia, even though the villagers are right to do so What kind of tinfold argument is this? To quote person on another from: "That's like blaming someone who was hit by a car for other people getting hurt while the ones in the car that hit them speeds away in a panic." Emilia is not in anyway responsible for bunch of people she never meet in her life. It doesn't matter if the crazed group after her or not. Not she did do nothing wrong she tried warned the villagers to evacuate, setup, forfilled barriers and literally just killed one of their leaders. They reason any of them died in first because they refused to listen to her of racism. You're never justified in blaming the victim over an aggressor. That just an excuse. |
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