| As far as I can tell, this forum is full of leftists, sjws, legal positivists, and collectivists. Anyone here like freedom? |
| "My only agenda is to eviscerate any who might try to rule over and control me"- Sousuke Aizen "Maybe, just maybe, there is no purpose in life... but if you linger a while longer in this world, you might discover something of value in it"- Orochimaru "All men are not created equal... both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different"- Charles zi Britannia We are the Contra Mundi. We serve the great inimical Goddess who in her own time will destroy the world. Tremble, reprobates, in fear of her pitiless gaze. |
| I'm close to being a left libertarian. Right wing libertarianism is not freedom. It is authoritarianism in the form of corporate authority over your life. |
byakugami said: Anyone here like freedom? lol "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe. |
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| free will is an illusion your actions or choices are determined by environmental factors and internal factors like your current biology |
byakugami said: As far as I can tell, this forum is full of leftists, sjws, legal positivists, and collectivists. Anyone here like freedom? You don't seem to be a fan of freedom either. |
| Daaamn you guys sure like being enslaved. It's interesting to see the sort of mental gymnastics you do to make yourselves believe obeying the government makes you free. I'm sure it makes you feel very intelligent. |
| "My only agenda is to eviscerate any who might try to rule over and control me"- Sousuke Aizen "Maybe, just maybe, there is no purpose in life... but if you linger a while longer in this world, you might discover something of value in it"- Orochimaru "All men are not created equal... both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different"- Charles zi Britannia We are the Contra Mundi. We serve the great inimical Goddess who in her own time will destroy the world. Tremble, reprobates, in fear of her pitiless gaze. |
| I won't call myself a "Libertarian" but I do hold the belief that the only proper role of the government should be only limited to the police, military and the courts. traed said: Right wing libertarianism is not freedom. It is authoritarianism in the form of corporate authority over your life. Corporate "authority" is only possible because of political influence which is brought upon because of economic regulations. It is the regulations itself that begets this authority you speak of. |
ethotAug 23, 2016 2:45 AM
| >MAL >Tumblr 2.0 >OP >Libertarian That's a good joke OP I almost laughed |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
razor39999 said: There's a lot of hate for individualism, that's for sure.I'm pretty sure this forum is full of alt-rightists, antisjw's, and a few neo-nazis. What are you smoking op? |
| "My only agenda is to eviscerate any who might try to rule over and control me"- Sousuke Aizen "Maybe, just maybe, there is no purpose in life... but if you linger a while longer in this world, you might discover something of value in it"- Orochimaru "All men are not created equal... both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different"- Charles zi Britannia We are the Contra Mundi. We serve the great inimical Goddess who in her own time will destroy the world. Tremble, reprobates, in fear of her pitiless gaze. |
CapitalistGod said: I won't call myself a "Libertarian" but I do hold the belief that the only proper role of the government should be only limited to the police, military and the courts. And roads, and sanitation, and education, and food standards and probably a whole lot of other stuff that you wouldn't want privatised. |
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Bobby2Hands said: The private sector does everything else better, why not those? Especially education. You really think public schools are good?CapitalistGod said: I won't call myself a "Libertarian" but I do hold the belief that the only proper role of the government should be only limited to the police, military and the courts. And roads, and sanitation, and education, and food standards and probably a whole lot of other stuff that you wouldn't want privatised. |
| "My only agenda is to eviscerate any who might try to rule over and control me"- Sousuke Aizen "Maybe, just maybe, there is no purpose in life... but if you linger a while longer in this world, you might discover something of value in it"- Orochimaru "All men are not created equal... both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different"- Charles zi Britannia We are the Contra Mundi. We serve the great inimical Goddess who in her own time will destroy the world. Tremble, reprobates, in fear of her pitiless gaze. |
byakugami said: Bobby2Hands said: The private sector does everything else better, why not those? Especially education. You really think public schools are good?And roads, and sanitation, and education, and food standards and probably a whole lot of other stuff that you wouldn't want privatised. The private sector does better in food standards? Well, enjoy getting lead poisoning from your tin of mac n cheese due to improper packaging because there is no food standards agency and you can't afford to have somebody test your food for you. It does education better? Well have fun with a nation of uneducated idiots because parents couldn't afford to send their children to private schools so instead they got no education at all. |
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razor39999 said: I'm pretty sure this forum is full of alt-rightists, antisjw's, and a few neo-nazis. What are you smoking op? he is new to forums btw i am interested what was he smoking? |
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| Yeah, I think the government should interact less with people's lives. The government's role should lie more in the regulation of corporations. Of course emergency departments, education, etc should be left to government too |
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Bobby2Hands said: It does education better? Well have fun with a nation of uneducated idiots because parents couldn't afford to send their children to private schools so instead they got no education at all. As if other people has the duty to make other people kids be educated.... |
CapitalistGod said: Bobby2Hands said: It does education better? Well have fun with a nation of uneducated idiots because parents couldn't afford to send their children to private schools so instead they got no education at all. As if other people has the duty to make other people kids be educated.... I believe everyone should not only have the right to a basic education but also that it should be mandatory. Education is fundamental to a modern functioning society, and a nation full of people who never even got the chance to go to school is not one I want to live in. |
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| And you're a FemiNazi.Judging by your posts you're really defensive and salty with women. |
thegreatnathyboy said: Yeah, I think the government should interact less with people's lives. The government's role should lie more in the regulation of corporations. Of course emergency departments, education, etc should be left to government too These lads want to get rid of the regulations. |
Bobby2Hands said: I believe everyone should not only have the right to a basic education but also that it should be mandatory. Education is fundamental to a modern functioning society, and a nation full of people who never even got the chance to go to school is not one I want to live in. It's a question of choice.... Okay, it's what you wanted but what if there are people out there who doesn't share your views.... do you have the right to force them to accept that duty? Isn't that what slavery is all about? Basically what I'm saying... I'm not a slave of you and your views. |
razor39999 said: CapitalistGod said: Education gives you the depth of perspective to realize choices that you didn't even know existed.It's a question of choice.... Okay, it's what you wanted but what if there are people out there who doesn't share your views.... do you have the right to force them to accept that duty? Isn't that what slavery is all about? Basically what I'm saying... I'm not a slave of you and your views. Yes.... but the point is... if I don't share that view, am I still obligated to pay for other people kids education? Am I a slave who toils for that particular viewpoint? Do I even have a say on where my money goes to? |
razor39999 said: CapitalistGod said: Those "other people's kids" are your own kids' future coworkers, bosses, spouses, friends, etc. They are a potential part of your or your child's life whether you like it or not. You are not a special snowflake living in a bubble. If we want to maintain culture and progress education that is available to as many people as possible is the only logical foundation to get there.Yes.... but the point is... if I don't share that view, am I still obligated to pay for other people kids education? Am I a slave who toils for that particular viewpoint? Do I even have a say on where my money goes to? Still the main point remains.... am I a slave to a viewpoint I don't agree with? If you and your ilk just gather around and volunteer to pay for your views, I would be happy but nope, I am shackled and forced to toil for ideas I don't agree with. |
razor39999 said: CapitalistGod said: You are a "slave" to many viewpoints, they're called laws and cultural norms. Some things just need to be agreed upon for a civilization to exist. Whether or not living in a civilization is a boon or curse for us as a species is a completely different topic tho.Still the main point remains.... am I a slave to a viewpoint I don't agree with? That's a nice spiel and all but.... What do you call taking part of people's hard earned income to pay for other people's kid education? Specially those who didn't sign up for it.. They have no choice in the matter and yet they have no say where the fruits of their labor will go to.... Ah...oh.... that's slavery. |
| *handraise* I believe that every political ideal is doomed to fail but I am a dirty Bolshevik anyway. Also you sound like an anarchist to me.This "the government is evil because no freedom" mindset is foolish, we aren't slaves, you are exaggerating. |
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razor39999 said: CapitalistGod said: It's an investment in the future of your current culture. Your own children aren't the only carriers of that culture and they will benefit from the work of future geniuses that got education based on the "fruits of your labors", among other things. And besides you can probably gather enough likeminded people and create a sovereignty where private schooling is the only form of education, even if you don't get international recognition of your state.That's a nice spiel and all but.... What do you call taking part of people's hard earned income to pay for other people's kid education? Specially those who didn't sign up for it.. They have no choice in the matter and yet they have no say where the fruits of their labor will go to.... Ah...oh.... that's slavery. The problem is that Governments love their funds... and you run the danger of being caught for evading taxes... That's the crux of my argument... at the end of the day, you people who unwittingly force people to this modern kind of slavery are the ones holding the guns. |
Erg_Orgy said: *handraise* I believe that every political ideal is doomed to fail but I am a dirty Bolshevik anyway. Also you sound like an anarchist to me.This "the government is evil because no freedom" mindset is foolish, we aren't slaves, you are exaggerating. Anarchists that support right-wing economics? That's not very likely |
Eminem said: Erg_Orgy said: *handraise* I believe that every political ideal is doomed to fail but I am a dirty Bolshevik anyway. Also you sound like an anarchist to me.This "the government is evil because no freedom" mindset is foolish, we aren't slaves, you are exaggerating. Anarchists that support right-wing economics? That's not very likely You have a point, though I have seen worse to be completely honest. Also this dude is completely inconsistent with his views judging by his posts in other topics so I don't quite know what to make of him. |
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| I don't like to classify my interests under one name, but I do share eye to eye on some values the libertarians have. |
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Nico- said: traed said: I'm close to being a left libertarian. Right wing libertarianism is not freedom. It is authoritarianism in the form of corporate authority over your life. And left wing libertarianism is socialism which can devolve into complete chaos and anarchy in which many abiding citizens are at risk of having their own freedoms. Not to mention it easily delves into authoritarianism quicker than anarcho-capitalism would. Im not into the anti-statist parts of it, just relaxed laws mostly. |
| Yay, 2 more libertarians here. Awesome. It's confirmed though: this place is rife with authoritarians. Sorry, parasites, we don't owe you shit. |
| "My only agenda is to eviscerate any who might try to rule over and control me"- Sousuke Aizen "Maybe, just maybe, there is no purpose in life... but if you linger a while longer in this world, you might discover something of value in it"- Orochimaru "All men are not created equal... both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different"- Charles zi Britannia We are the Contra Mundi. We serve the great inimical Goddess who in her own time will destroy the world. Tremble, reprobates, in fear of her pitiless gaze. |
| liberty = freedom You know what isn't freedom? Not being able to date a member of your preference Not being able to have sex before marriage Not being able to masturbate without being called a 'whore'. Nico- said: *raises hand* I just believe in no authoritarianism unless it's put in the right hands so as power isn't abused. Whoah.. I thought you were one of those alt-right hyenas I guess we're on the same side then :/ |
Gesu- said: Someone doesn't understand free speech! You can "date" (euphemism for God knows what) any "members" you want (I won't ask), just don't cry when people say mean things about you. Or do! That's fine too.liberty = freedom You know what isn't freedom? Not being able to date a member of your preference Not being able to have sex before marriage Not being able to masturbate without being called a 'whore'. |
| "My only agenda is to eviscerate any who might try to rule over and control me"- Sousuke Aizen "Maybe, just maybe, there is no purpose in life... but if you linger a while longer in this world, you might discover something of value in it"- Orochimaru "All men are not created equal... both in birth and in upbringing, in sheer scope of ability, every human is inherently different"- Charles zi Britannia We are the Contra Mundi. We serve the great inimical Goddess who in her own time will destroy the world. Tremble, reprobates, in fear of her pitiless gaze. |
| You could definitely say that. I am fervently against state control of the livelihoods of citizens and of the market. Regardless I am quite flexible ideologically speaking. |
LoveLikeBloodAug 23, 2016 7:55 AM
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byakugami said: Gesu- said: Someone doesn't understand free speech! You can "date" (euphemism for God knows what) any "members" you want (I won't ask), just don't cry when people say mean things about you. Or do! That's fine too.liberty = freedom You know what isn't freedom? Not being able to date a member of your preference Not being able to have sex before marriage Not being able to masturbate without being called a 'whore'. If you're free to spout your hate speech I'm just as free to criticize them. It's fairly simple. |
| Milton Friedman was a huge influence on me so that would be a definite yes. |
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traed said: Being rightist doesn't necessarily mean being authoritarian and leftist being libertarian, it's more for how you treat the economy and some socials subjects.I'm close to being a left libertarian. Right wing libertarianism is not freedom. It is authoritarianism in the form of corporate authority over your life. |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| Hey, I'm a libertarian and I love the word libertarian! More specifically, I border between minarchism and anarcho-capitalism. I'm surprised there aren't more libertarians on here.. Anime definitely has a very large amount of anti-authoritarian messages (Gurren Lagann - Row Row Fight the Powah). I think what might have happened is that the liberals who are on this site are more likely to engage in political discourse rather than answer your question :3 |
antfinnAug 23, 2016 1:05 PM
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| Fuck libertarianism, fuck authoritarianism. Fuck the modern right and modern left. Fuck regressives and the alt-right. Liberal Socialism. Classical Liberal meets Democratic Socialist. Just slightly left of center. Blue Labour/Red Tory |
ThrashMattoAug 23, 2016 1:22 PM
 I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
Frag- said: traed said: Being rightist doesn't necessarily mean being authoritarian and leftist being libertarian, it's more for how you treat the economy and some socials subjects.I'm close to being a left libertarian. Right wing libertarianism is not freedom. It is authoritarianism in the form of corporate authority over your life. You misunderstand what I meant. By taking away government control over business that gives corporations unchecked power to control your life. So although it seems non authoritative it leads to authoritative consequences. |
| I call myself Libertarian, more of a Anarcho-Capitalist/Voluntaryist if you will. To me, the heart of the libertarian philosophy is the non-aggression principle. It's a fairly basic principle that many people don't seem to follow. Don't hit, don't steal, and don't kill. A TRUE libertarian believes that nobody is exempt from this rule INCLUDING government. The government takes your money via taxes, (which is force, see what happens if you don't pay taxes) they use your money to kill people in wars which you may or may not like, and if you do something the government doesn't like (even if it's entirely harmless) they can throw you in a cage and/or shoot you if you resist. How could a society support this current system? After 10,000 years of human civilization, this is as far as we come? Why do so many people see different types of authoritarianism to be "cool"? Well... the government controls the public schools, which is where most people go to become "educated". If anyone is wondering how government could be replaced, I could explain if somebody asks, or perhaps anyone else who wants to explain. Ironically, we are all expressing our opinions, making this a free market of ideas, even though I don't think everyone on this forum likes free markets. :P byakugami, why not make a libertarian club with the libertarians you find on this forum? xD We can take over MAL...then the world... together! :O (and then do nothing cause libertarians are against power and control) ;) |
| Also, businesses gain power through the government via lobbying, look how much money Google has been giving to Hillary Clinton, even manipulating search results for her campaign. They're obviously not the only ones, and through lobbying it makes it easier for businesses to gain monopolies, while the government holds back other companies with regulations and high taxes. |
traed said: Frag- said: Being rightist doesn't necessarily mean being authoritarian and leftist being libertarian, it's more for how you treat the economy and some socials subjects. You misunderstand what I meant. By taking away government control over business that gives corporations unchecked power to control your life. So although it seems non authoritative it leads to authoritative consequences. Wait, so if the corporations have control over out lives, how are they at all different from the government? Why not just call these corporations, governments? |
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AbhLeaderKrelian said: I call myself Libertarian, more of a Anarcho-Capitalist/Voluntaryist if you will. To me, the heart of the libertarian philosophy is the non-aggression principle. It's a fairly basic principle that many people don't seem to follow. Don't hit, don't steal, and don't kill. A TRUE libertarian believes that nobody is exempt from this rule INCLUDING government. The government takes your money via taxes, (which is force, see what happens if you don't pay taxes) they use your money to kill people in wars which you may or may not like, and if you do something the government doesn't like (even if it's entirely harmless) they can throw you in a cage and/or shoot you if you resist. How could a society support this current system? After 10,000 years of human civilization, this is as far as we come? Why do so many people see different types of authoritarianism to be "cool"? Well... the government controls the public schools, which is where most people go to become "educated". If anyone is wondering how government could be replaced, I could explain if somebody asks, or perhaps anyone else who wants to explain. Ironically, we are all expressing our opinions, making this a free market of ideas, even though I don't think everyone on this forum likes free markets. :P byakugami, why not make a libertarian club with the libertarians you find on this forum? xD We can take over MAL...then the world... together! :O (and then do nothing cause libertarians are against power and control) ;) Right, the key word here is "coercion". Giant conglomerate corporations operating within cornered markets within a free society would only have control over our lives if we want them to. It's the basic principle of voluntary exchange, private companies are only able to operate under the premise of its consumers controlling market demand. What we have now, is giant conglomerate organizations operating with the assistance of the government (i.e. crony capitalism) in creating artificial demand for their products and services. Voluntary exchange isn't even ever really involved in any of this market activity because violence and coercion through the government (in what looks very much like an aristocratic hierarchy) has been used since the very beginning. |
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AbhLeaderKrelian said: Also, businesses gain power through the government via lobbying, look how much money Google has been giving to Hillary Clinton, even manipulating search results for her campaign. They're obviously not the only ones, and through lobbying it makes it easier for businesses to gain monopolies, while the government holds back other companies with regulations and high taxes. The majority of all businesses fail and it's not from regulation. Most businesses starting out rely on large businesses to buy their goods from so they have to mark up their prices more than these large businesses to gain profit. These large businesses have the ability to buy the majority of all goods thus having control over the price of them. For example diamond are actually not that valuable at all but a jeweller company bought the majority of those out there and skyrocketed the price for no reason but greed, then on top of it they used advertising to create a culture where you are guilt tripped and fooled into buying diamond wedding rings. These companies can buy off smaller companies that they dont want to suffer the threat of competition with. Having no regulation means these companies can all merge into one giant company that becomes your new government and it's an authoritative one that is 100% profit driven so imperialist war is always an option for them. |
traed said: AbhLeaderKrelian said: Also, businesses gain power through the government via lobbying, look how much money Google has been giving to Hillary Clinton, even manipulating search results for her campaign. They're obviously not the only ones, and through lobbying it makes it easier for businesses to gain monopolies, while the government holds back other companies with regulations and high taxes. The majority of all businesses fail and it's not from regulation. Most businesses starting out rely on large businesses to buy their goods from so they have to mark up their prices more than these large businesses to gain profit. These large businesses have the ability to buy the majority of all goods thus having control over the price of them. For example diamond are actually not that valuable at all but a jeweller company bought the majority of those out there and skyrocketed the price for no reason but greed, then on top of it they used advertising to create a culture where you are guilt tripped and fooled into buying diamond wedding rings. These companies can buy off smaller companies that they dont want to suffer the threat of competition with. Having no regulation means these companies can all merge into one giant company that becomes your new government and it's an authoritative one that is 100% profit driven so imperialist war is always an option for them. What're you smoking, seriously? If everyone is free from economic regulations, what you're describing here is just those people who succeed at what they're doing... they don't have the power over you., it's just that they're good at what they're doing. This honestly looks like a rambling of a guy who isn't confident that he'll make it in a free market. Go suck on them government tiddies then. |
| @CapitalistGod I'm smoking reality. You're delusional if you think you're going to become a rich businessman or some bullshit like that. |
traed said: If you don't like those companies, then you don't have to invest in them. Speak with your money. Government is different because even if you don't like what it's doing, you don't have a choice. Surrender to what they want, or be punished. How can a giant company become government if you and the rest of society don't recognize it? If they can't control you, then they can't really do anything to you. If you are an independent person who thinks for himself, then chances are you wouldn't invest in a large corporation to make your life "easier". (Because if the government won't take care of you, then the corporations will).AbhLeaderKrelian said: Also, businesses gain power through the government via lobbying, look how much money Google has been giving to Hillary Clinton, even manipulating search results for her campaign. They're obviously not the only ones, and through lobbying it makes it easier for businesses to gain monopolies, while the government holds back other companies with regulations and high taxes. The majority of all businesses fail and it's not from regulation. Most businesses starting out rely on large businesses to buy their goods from so they have to mark up their prices more than these large businesses to gain profit. These large businesses have the ability to buy the majority of all goods thus having control over the price of them. For example diamond are actually not that valuable at all but a jeweller company bought the majority of those out there and skyrocketed the price for no reason but greed, then on top of it they used advertising to create a culture where you are guilt tripped and fooled into buying diamond wedding rings. These companies can buy off smaller companies that they dont want to suffer the threat of competition with. Having no regulation means these companies can all merge into one giant company that becomes your new government and it's an authoritative one that is 100% profit driven so imperialist war is always an option for them. |
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