| I don't think that stories tend to break their own rules. If they don't have any solid rules, it's pretty obvious from the start. You can see Digimon Adventure has no battle system whatsoever from the beginning. |
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blabo said: example plz?IntroverTurtle said: Not plot holes per say. I mean yeah when you break rules your bound to have plot holes but I mean when an anime defies what a character is supposed to be or what a story is supposed to be in favor of being or looking impressive.So plot holes? Click anime & manga to get a list of them. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotHole |
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| naruto, so much for hard work |
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| One Piece , Code Geass , Bleach and Naruto |
| In hindsight, there are very little animes that break their own rules (as in plot holes, contradicting themselves). But if you think about it, introducing new elements is similar to breaking rules, but to a lesser extent. A majority of animes do this but at different degrees. That's why we have foreshadowing but that doesn't entirely reduce the issue, but it's certainly worse when things come out of nowhere. The rule of thumb is: whatever premises are given at the beginning of the story, whether it be facts, goals, etc those are the "rules", the story should stick with them or only develop them incrementally. |
saddy34 said: One Piece , Code Geass , Bleach and Naruto Typical, not like I'd expect a 95%er to comprehend anything thou. |
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ichii_1 said: saddy34 said: One Piece , Code Geass , Bleach and Naruto Typical, not like I'd expect a 95%er to comprehend anything thou. TvTropes said: -When Grimmjow's fraccions are killed off, Aizen states their deaths don't bother him because they were just Arrancar that had transformed from gillians. However, it's later confirmed by two separate sources (Grimmjow's flashback and Uryuu's assessment of Grimmjow's group) that the fraccions transformed from both gillians and adjuchas. In fact, there was only one gillian Arrancar in the group. Hollow evolution does mean that an adjuchas evolves from a gillian, but Aizen's comment related to the Arrancar transformation, not Hollow evolution. -While in prison, Rukia comments that she's been a member of the Kuchiki family for 40 years. A flashback to Renji being made vice-captain also discusses Rukia being a member of the Kuchiki family for 40 years. Then Byakuya reveals why Rukia was adopted: his wife died 50 years ago, leaving him a request to find and adopt her sister as his own. A year after her death, he finds and immediately adopts Rukia. But an immediate adoption a year after Hisana's death would put the adoption at 49 years ago rather than 40 years ago. -During the Zanpakuto Rebellion Arc it is clearly stated that the destruction of a zanpakuto spirit by anyone except its master will permanently destroy the zanpakuto itself. Late in the arc the brainwashing is reversed and the spirits reunite with their masters, but so are at least two zanpakutos that were supposedly destroyed permanently. This is completely ignored. It's not even given a handwaved explanation. and ofc all the bullshit Kubo pulls out of his ass every week |
Gholy said: ^loltvtropes Is TVTropes somehow inherently bad? OT: There's a big difference between implied rules and explicit rules. Breaking explicit rules is generally a no-no. I would need context when it comes to implied rules. |
saddy34 said: ichii_1 said: Typical, not like I'd expect a 95%er to comprehend anything thou. TvTropes said: -When Grimmjow's fraccions are killed off, Aizen states their deaths don't bother him because they were just Arrancar that had transformed from gillians. However, it's later confirmed by two separate sources (Grimmjow's flashback and Uryuu's assessment of Grimmjow's group) that the fraccions transformed from both gillians and adjuchas. In fact, there was only one gillian Arrancar in the group. Hollow evolution does mean that an adjuchas evolves from a gillian, but Aizen's comment related to the Arrancar transformation, not Hollow evolution. -While in prison, Rukia comments that she's been a member of the Kuchiki family for 40 years. A flashback to Renji being made vice-captain also discusses Rukia being a member of the Kuchiki family for 40 years. Then Byakuya reveals why Rukia was adopted: his wife died 50 years ago, leaving him a request to find and adopt her sister as his own. A year after her death, he finds and immediately adopts Rukia. But an immediate adoption a year after Hisana's death would put the adoption at 49 years ago rather than 40 years ago. -During the Zanpakuto Rebellion Arc it is clearly stated that the destruction of a zanpakuto spirit by anyone except its master will permanently destroy the zanpakuto itself. Late in the arc the brainwashing is reversed and the spirits reunite with their masters, but so are at least two zanpakutos that were supposedly destroyed permanently. This is completely ignored. It's not even given a handwaved explanation. and ofc all the bullshit Kubo pulls out of his ass every week -She said 40 years as a general time, 49 years is till in that time. -Generalizing again cause aizen doesn't give a sht about them and they did have a gillian with them. -It was because of Muramasa's ability, as long as he's alive they won't return if beaten by another user (they didn't know about the alive part). NO PLOTHOLES GG |
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| Madoka rewrote the witch system with her wish so there's that. |
Gholy said: ^loltvtropes And the problem with that it's? OT: Naruto. |
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ichii_1 said: -She said 40 years as a general time, 49 years is till in that time. -Generalizing again cause aizen doesn't give a sht about them and they did have a gillian with them. -It was because of Muramasa's ability, as long as he's alive they won't return if beaten by another user (they didn't know about the alive part). NO PLOTHOLES GG Oh Bleach has no plot holes? Remember how Kenpachi clearly stated that when 2 beings with reiatsu clash the weaker one gets hurt? Heck it clearly showed Ichigo getting hurt after trying to cut Kenpachi. Why was that the only time this happened? Why didn't Ichigo explode when Aizen stopped his bankai with one finger etc. How did he OHKO Sasakibe with his bare-hands, when the guy was powerful enough to hurt Yamamoto? Why can shinigami walk through walls yet they crash into buildings and objects? Why could Chad hurt a hollow with a telephone pole? |
| Sword Art Online. Kirito manages to survive and keep fighting well after his health bar has clearly gone all the way down and he should be dead. Never explained how he does that, he just kinda does. |
TripleSRank said: Its not a very good resource for a number of reasons but primarily because its both inconsistent and it tries to codify tropes that aren't really tropes in the first place. Plus the whole deconstruction bullshit which can bite me.Gholy said: ^loltvtropes Is TVTropes somehow inherently bad? |
| Unlimited Blade Works when Archer used his Reality Marble for a second time when he only had 10% of his magic left. He also projected weapons, and used over edge inside of it. Miura Takahiro = Rule Breaker. |
Irrelative said: Its not like there aren't asspulls in the VN :|Unlimited Blade Works when Archer used his Reality Marble for a second time when he only had 10% of his magic left. He also projected weapons, and used over edge inside of it. Miura Takahiro = Rule Breaker. |
Feaor said: Irrelative said: Its not like there aren't asspulls in the VN :|Unlimited Blade Works when Archer used his Reality Marble for a second time when he only had 10% of his magic left. He also projected weapons, and used over edge inside of it. Miura Takahiro = Rule Breaker. The Anime actually answered the question of how Archer survived Gilgamesh's sword spam. |
TripleSRank said: Gholy said: ^loltvtropes Is TVTropes somehow inherently bad? TVTropes both remains inconsistent and lacks credibility to be a proper source. It's like trying to term paper using wikipedia as a source, no professor would accept it and would rather you researched more credible sources. Tvtropes is good for a general knowledge, but if you actually want to understand the things being discussed, you'd be better off finding an encyclopedia or dictionary. |
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| did eren being titan count? |
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Irrelative said: I don't remember it being stated in the anime that he had 10% of his magic left. He just said it was running low. I also don't remember there being any mention in the source of how much Mana casting the reality marble takes.Unlimited Blade Works when Archer used his Reality Marble for a second time when he only had 10% of his magic left. He also projected weapons, and used over edge inside of it. Miura Takahiro = Rule Breaker. |
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ichii_1 said: naruto, so much for hard work Perfect example |
Read Toriko! |
Unyilkdr said: That's a tough one, especially since it is all during the setup phase of the story. Plus there were no set rules as to what the titans even were, when he first transformed the titans were a mystery. So it's hard to say it broke it's rules, its more like it was barely establishing the rules.did eren being titan count? |
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phantom346 said: well it's not like naruto just stood there and became powerful >_>ichii_1 said: naruto, so much for hard work Perfect example |
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| SAO, nuff said. |
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| Does FLCL break their own rules? Wait, do they even have rules? |
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| i swear this saddy guy is getting paid to promote tvtropes |
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_Peksi said: ichii_1 said: -She said 40 years as a general time, 49 years is till in that time. -Generalizing again cause aizen doesn't give a sht about them and they did have a gillian with them. -It was because of Muramasa's ability, as long as he's alive they won't return if beaten by another user (they didn't know about the alive part). NO PLOTHOLES GG Oh Bleach has no plot holes? No. Remember how Kenpachi clearly stated that when 2 beings with reiatsu clash the weaker one gets hurt? Heck it clearly showed Ichigo getting hurt after trying to cut Kenpachi. Why was that the only time this happened?Because Ichigo was inexperienced, he grasped the sword so hard he bled when he didn't dent kenpach, experienced fighters won't clash like that, Ichigo was also lacking his resolve at that moment. Why didn't Ichigo explode when Aizen stopped his bankai with one finger etc.Aizen has more control then the Ichigo that fought kenpachi, so there was no injuries to Ichigo. How did he OHKO Sasakibe with his bare-hands, when the guy was powerful enough to hurt Yamamoto? He was caught off guard by Ichigo's power, he's old and is not as powerful as then. Why can shinigami walk through walls yet they crash into buildings and objects?They have to concentrate and it's hard to do that while crashing, also counts for the chad telephone Why could Chad hurt a hollow with a telephone pole?He had high spiritual power for a human back then, plus he's a fullbringer. Everything has souls.  GG again |
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| Gintama.Nuff said |
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| I'm fine with a show breaking its own rules as long as it's not done for convenience, but instead as parody or if breaking and making up your own rules as you go along is part of the story. Like in Gurren Lagann or a lot of Gainax/Trigger stuff that is not NGE. |
blabo said: ichii_1 said: Oh Bleach has no plot holes? No. This is a prime example of fans filling in the gaps that their anime's creators leave in an anime. Some do it for fun knowing that the creator screwed up, where as others take it seriously theorizing, coming up with answers to figure out why something did or didn't happen. No offense to this guy. Not only does Bleach have plot holes but it breaks its own rules (I consider those different). Please beware that I did enjoy Bleach. However since this thread is not about Bleach specifically I will not go back and forth. So Ichii 1 may I ask you to think back throughout the show. Try and remember something that the creator might have forgotten or left out (Plot Hole). Also think of a rule that they may have changed from the older season. I'm not trying to insult Bleach, but I am challenging you to think critically about the anime you like. There are flaws that I also have to point out in anime that I love. There is nothing, the spiritual power system is clear cut and everything can be explained. Even classic literature remains vague and let's the readers fill it in. Do I need to explain Orihime's "kurosaki kun" during ulquiorra's fight too? |
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| Akame ga Kill's anime original ending completely shot itself in the foot (full series spoilers): |
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blabo said: True about the Classic Literature but the thing is, Shounen is not Classic Literature. It's quite the opposite in fact. Sure it can have vague moments but all in all it's not a genre that is supposed to be vague or confusing. It's about action. It's an art form, it doesn't matter if it is classic literature, anime, film, play writing, or stone writing on top of the Himalayas. There is no rule or law that states that the show has to spoon feed you explanations. All art is open to interpretation, which is why all art is subjective. |
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blabo said: True about the Classic Literature but the thing is, Shounen is not Classic Literature. It's quite the opposite in fact. Sure it can have vague moments but all in all it's not a genre that is supposed to be vague or confusing. It's about action. Shounen shows like Bleach, Naruto, DBZ etc. are all shows where they have characters that always explain what's going on and why something happened. In fact, that's a shounen Trope. A rule if you will. The rule is that every action is explained so the audience can follow along, any action that is not explained in some way just happened because it "Looked Cool". Which isn't always a bad thing mind you. The action itself tells a story, especially in bleach. They have to in most cases because figuring out abilities and strange supernatural occurrences is near impossible and that doesn't take away value whatsoever. Some series might not have a deeper meaning but bleach does, don't compare Kubo with a hack writer. |
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Milk_is_Special said: SAO, nuff said. |
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