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Apr 15, 2015 12:38 PM
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An 80 page essay about the Buddhist Symbolism in Bleach: http://www.academia.edu/3620074/Life_Death_ and_the_Path_to_Enlightenment_Buddhist_Symbolism_in_the_Manga_Bleach_ ----- Article by Dr. Otto F. von Feigenblatt (MA, PhD, FRAS, FRAI, GCEG) How Bleach is one of the series that is leading the way from Japanese Exceptionalism to Globalism and Hybridity. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2195562 The bleach portion. "The present study explores cultural representations in three prominent examples of contemporary Japanese animation, NarutoShippuden, Bleach, and Onigamiden. Lingering traces of Japanese exceptionalism m(Nihonjinron) are still present in contemporary Japanese animation such as in the animated movie, Onigamiden. On the other hand two of the most popular animated series, Naruto Shippuden and Bleach, fit a cultural model characterized by hybridity and globalism. In terms of demographics, Bleach appeals to a narrower international audience than Naruto due to the higher complexity of its plot as well as due to the religious aspects of the story Bleach is a very good example of the crosscurrents of Japanese cultural politics due to its dual nature, as an essentially Japanese product while at the same time incorporating global cultural elements. The series borrows heavily from foreign cultural traditions such as Christianity and Caribbean Santeria, inter alia. Spanish is favored as the second most prevalent language in spiritual vocabulary. The Quincy are clearly inspired by the Christian Orders of Knighthood such as the Sovereign Order of Malta and the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulcher whose influence is shown in terms of the uniform worn by the Quincy as well as by the symbolism of the cross. Nevertheless it is interesting that Ishida is clearly of Japanese ethnicity and notwithstanding this factor his culture and legacy is European. Bleach presents war as an undesirable cyclical event with the potential to bring out the best and the worst in people. Bleach’s depiction of war is not as pacifist and totalizing as the one that became prevalent in Japan during the post-war period. War can be justified in Bleach if it waged in order to protect important principles and values. In addition to that War is a great opportunity to show bravery and courage. Bleach is an example of hybridity in Japan’s public sphere. The series does not present a harmonious integration of cultural elements leading to an integrated and assimilated Japanese culture but rather offers a cacophony of cultural traits in a constant state of flux. This is shown with a constant emphasis on time and the possibility of change. Conclusion- Onigamiden, Naruto, and Bleach are some of the most successful examples of contemporary Japanese animation. Moreover, they represent ideal types in the Weberian sense in terms of cultural worldviews. Onigamiden shows the strongest traces of Nihonjinron while Naruto and Bleach display characteristics of both hybridity and globalism." ----- Thanks to whoever made these. Zangetsu x Yhwach http://i.imgur.com/pZqW3Wz.jpg Shinigami truth http://i.imgur.com/qqAX2f8.jpg Power Explanation http://i.imgur.com/fx5Epq8.jpg Aizen Good Guy? https://s7.postimg.org/95f3yjz49/1470571082286.jpg Ichigo x Rukia zan connection. ------ The infamous "Kurosaki kun,help me" speech from Orihime. Orihime is thinking of a way how she can save and help Kurosaki and Ishida. Unfortunately, she became frantic with the situation they were in and started panicking. She thought Ichigo was invincible and could always win. She was unconsciously relying on Ichigo. And her "SAVE US" became "HELP ME". And it triggered Ichigo's unconscious mind that wants to protect everyone, but it became"only help Orihime" as Ichigo stabs Ishida. Orihime had finally realized how much she was over relying on him and how she pushed him too far. Also her mistake for not helping Ichigo and allowing him to fight all by himself and not supporting him. Nel points out that Ichigo is also hurting, he's taking on all the responsibility by himself and that Orihime needs to be there for him even if it's in spirit only, Ichigo is still Ichigo even with the mask. Orihime's resolve afterwards to never let Ichigo do it all alone and let himself get hurt beyond recovery. And she can do what she she said she would do back in the arrancar arc and not constantly rely on Ichigo. Ichigo now relies on Orihime as well. ---------- Orihime’s name is based on the legendary Orihime/Vega (weaver princess) in the Tanabata story. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanabata Orihime is part of the sewing/handicrafts club at school and her symbolic number is written as 7/7, indicating 7th July which is the date of the Tanabata Festival in Japan. Orihime's english-translated name by Kubo himself had her as ‘Vega Highwell’, in Japanese/Chinese mythology, Vega is another name for Orihime, and is linked to the Tanabata story. Ichigo’s birthday is on 15/7, which falls on Obon Festival, which is part of the Tanabata Festival. Ichigo’s hollow form in the Lust arc is in the motif of a bull/ox, which is a reference to Kengyuu/Altair being a cow-herder in the legend. In the legend, the lovers aren’t able to meet if it rains because the rivers would be flooded over and the boatsman can’t ferry Orihime to Kengyuu (Ichigo hates the rain). In one of the illustrated Karakura town maps, Ichigo and Orihime’s homes are separated by a river and connected by a small bridge. In Chinese/Japanese mythology, Orihime (Vega) and Kengyuu (Altair) are separated by a river (which is a metaphor for outer space, where Vega and Altair are constellations). The Bleach pilot chapter had stronger hints to the Tanabata legend, where Orihime and Ichigo are separated at the end because Orihime had died and become a ghost/soul, but it was hinted that she would come back to visit him. The chapter after Orihime confesses to Ichigo and leaves for Hueco Mundo is called 'Eagle Without Wings’. Vega (Orihime) is also known as 'the falling eagle’ in medieval astronomy, and both Vega and Altair are depicted as birds. The chapter when Ichigo goes off to rescue Orihime is called 'Winged Eagles’. Altair (Kengyuu) is also known as 'the flying eagle’ in medieval astronomy. --------------------------------------------------- Aizen Myō'ō - one of the Wisdom Kings. The Lust-Drenched Mantra King, The Impassioned One, patron of those caught by desire or attachment. http://www.buddhist-artwork.com/statues-buddhism/aizen-myoo-statues.html Not only is their name similar but they both have a third eye which is associated with higher consciousness, clairvoyance and precognition. Aizen's squad 5 flower is the Lilly of the Valley, sometimes called "Ladder to Heaven. The flower is closely associated within christian tradition with the second coming of Jesus. Said to represent Jacob's Ladder, which was the ladder to heaven Jacob dreamed about, and is thought to be a symbolic reference to Jesus Aizen wanting to go to the royal realm) The flower is also symbolically connected with a general return to happiness in the world. It is said that the flower's bloom brings back the nightingale's song each May. Aizen was born on May 29th. Kyouka Suigetsu (鏡花水月) literally means "mirror flower, water moon" Aizen Myō'ō holds different things in each hand and one of them is a lotus flower. In Asian culture the lotus flower represents elegance, beauty, perfection, purity and grace. Aizen Myō'ō is also depicted holding a mirror, which shows the image of what's reflected and is often associated with negative values. Water is an representation for purity, fertility, wisdom. And the moon representing influence over tides, illumination, perception. It is a saying that came about based on a Zen Buddhism proverb. "Through body and mind we can comprehend the form and sound of things. They work together as one. However, it is not like the reflection of flower in a mirror, or the moon reflected in the water. If you look at only one side, the other is dark." In this way we see that the saying is supposed to indicate someone not seeing the whole picture This fits in well with the zanpakuto's ability theme, however I believe there is more than simple illusion implied within the name. Aizen and the number 5, before his betrayal He was born on May 29th, the 5th month. He is the former captain of squad 5. Numerology of the number 5- Five is the number of the Human being. The pentagon has five legs, symbolizing perfection and the power of the cycle. It's also the number that symbolizes the meeting point between heaven and earth - four cardinal points plus the center point. It also represents the five senses and the five wisdom kings. Aizen's Zanpakuto controls the five senses. Most flowers have five petals and the "ka" part of Kyōka means "flower" In Indian numerology, being of the number 5 means having a gentle, loving and compassionate personality and lacking any form of deceit. This perfectly illustrates the nature of Aizen in the beginning: compassionate, loving and lacking deceit. They are pure in their heart. The number 5 is also the number of divinity Ironically, Aizen had divine aspirations. Aizen Myō'ō is closely connected with the magical wish-granting jewel (Houjyu 宝珠) It is the inspiration for the hogyoku, which grants the deepest heartfelt desire of a person. Aizen as Satan/Lucifer -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer Aizen Sousuke is the personification of evil. Christian Bible (New King James version) and Aizen comparison 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Very similar to Aizen's speech when he left Soul Society. 17 You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, That they might gaze at you. As Aizen evolved, he became less reliant on his intelligence and strategy. Then he was sent to the muken (underground prison) and looked down at and judged by the Central 46. Heaven is soul society, after betraying the shinigami Aizen left heaven and went to the fallen world aka hueco mundo, just like Lucifer did. Satan is know as the deceiver and the father of lies, just like Aizen who has deceived everyone. Revelation 17:3 - "So the angel carries John in the spirit into the wilderness where he sees a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemy, seven heads, ten horns". The beast is Satan who has come down to earth calling himself god and is visible to humans. The similarities. Butterfly Aizen is the false god form, Monster Aizen and The Beast/Satan comparison - --------------------------------------------------- Mimihage sama - The shrine Ukitake's parents prayed at is called a Hokora, a shrine built to house gods aka the soul king's limbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokora Seeing as bleach is heavily into Buddhist mythology, the Jizo kami is the one most representative of mimihaga sama or he's a mix of all of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Dsojin They are all associated with Izanagi, so is the Soul King based on Izanagi? :O http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izanagi ----------------------------------------- Character Analysis Thanks to Asura 大神 from Narutoforums :) Uryuu and Freischütz connection. Plus blue dragon and scorpio symbolism. http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=1008022 Ulquiorra Cifer http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=1016207 Kaname Tousen http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?p=45476104#post45476104 Youraku Shunsui http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?p=51974973#post51974973 Sado Yasutora http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?p=52124096#post52124096 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Espada are all based on an Aspect of Death, which led to their downfall. "Each Espada has a form of death they rule over. These forms are the 10 main causes of death amongst humans. They also describe each Espada's abilities, ideology, and reason for existence." -Baraggan Aspects Of Death #10/0 - Yammy Riyalgo Yammy's aspect of death is "Rage" Yammy's release is the more angry he is, the bigger and more powerful he gets. This surge of rage makes him the strongest and also the most vulnerable, as his blind rage was useless against Byakuya and Kenpachi who were calm and collected. His last moments with the dog hollow also signifies that his rage has subsided. #9 - Aaroniero Arruruerie AA's aspect of death is "Greed" In his release form, he's said to have consumed a lot of hollows, and could utilize every one of their powers. He even absorbed the hollow who absorbed Kaien, thus gaining his power. In real life aspects, greed leads us to lust after things that we want, but don't have: money, power, fame, love. So we do what it takes to obtain what we want, even if it means we transform into a grotesque monster in the end. #8 - Szayel Aporro Granz Szayel's aspect of death is "Madness" Szayel is a scientist and considers others as little more than research experiments, and often participates in less than moral activities (aiding Nnoitra in taking down Neliel). How he tortures people using dolls, and kills them off slowly in his release can also be attributed to his madness. #7 - Zommari Leroux Zommari's aspect of death is "Intoxication" Intoxicated with Aizen and blindly following his every word. In his released form, Zommari was able to open his eyes, and essentially take control of whatever he was looking at. Even while being able to "open his eyes", he was still blinded(intoxicated) by his hypocritical hatred of the shinigami. #6 - Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez Grimm's aspect of death is "Destruction" Grimmjow's purpose of being was to destroy his opponents and be the best and survive. But when he fought Ichigo, he lost because Ichigo was fighting for more than just survival and destruction. #5 - Nnoitra Jiruga Nnoitra's aspect of death was "Despair" His hierro being the hardest of all Espada causes his opponents to feel despair when they cannot injure him and his release form allows him to attack at all angle making you feel cornered and trapped. He himself fell into despair when he could not beat Neliel and had fallen so low that he used despicable methods to win. Despair leads to sin. #4 - Ulquiorra Cifer Ulquiorra's aspect of death is "Emptiness" or "Nihilism" His time spent alone shaped his believe that there exist no meaning to life. His regeneration power that heals superficial wounds and limbs but does not heal vital organs thus metaphorically remaining 'empty', even if he regenerates his body. His 2nd resurrection where his hollow hole is where his heart should be shows that e his empty inside, both literally and figuratively. Before he passes on here realizes the meaning of living, "love/friendship" #3 - Tia Harribel Harribel's aspect of death is "Sacrifice" When her Fraccion are killed by Yamamoto, she swears vengeance against him and the Shinigami but does lament their apparent death for sacrifices are part of wars. Her name, which can also be interpreted with the meaning of "tear" and that paired with her water ability, can symbolize sacrifice, as we often shed tears when we have to sacrifice something. She herself becomes a sacrifice for Aizen when he cuts her down. #2 - Baraggan Luisenbarn Baraggan's aspect of death is "Aging" Baraggan's base form to be that of an old man. However, his release resembles that of an King Grim Reaper, and his Respira attack ages anything it touches. He is often considered the "King of Hueco Mundo" because his aspect of death is absolute. His own power causes his death, not even himself could escape aging and death. #1 - Coyote Starrk/Lilynette Gingerback Starrk's aspect of death is "Solitude/Loneliness" Before they became Espada they were one being who out of the immense solitude split into 2 beings to keep each other company. Even after splitting into 2 and joining the Espada, Stark was still lonely. In his death, he realized that he was never alone to begin with. -------------------------------------------- Very interesting and accurate comparison of Aizen and the Espada to the Sephirot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephirot Ain, Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur http://www.webofqabalah.com/id28.html Kenpachi x Yachiru The Gashadokuro are spirits that take the form of giant skeletons and are fifteen times taller than an average person, said to be created from the amassed bones of people who died of starvation. Nozarashi, means bodies exposed ('sarasu') in the field ('no' ), is a motif of skulls, bones and/or skeletons. Yachiru also has skeleton hairpins These Yokai roam after midnight, grabbing lone travelers and biting off their heads to drink their spraying blood (the blood splatter vs unohana 'The Drop' and the way kenpachi was in his youth). There is a tell sign as the victim would hear the sound of loud ringing his hair bells in the ear (kenpachi's har bells obviously). The Gashadokuro are said to possess the powers of invisibility (yachiru disappearing) and indestructibility though Shinto charms are said to ward them off. When Kenpachi goes bankai he turns into a sort of red oni because of the massive reiatsu, similar to how Aizen turned into a satan like form. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oni |
ichii_1Dec 14, 2018 7:15 PM
Apr 15, 2015 12:47 PM
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Can all this finally explain why the series is called Bleach then? That's the more important question. |
I envy your delusion; I wish I could live in it |
Apr 15, 2015 12:53 PM
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And he'll never die I suppose (or not in the near future). |
Apr 15, 2015 12:54 PM
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Protaku94 said: Can all this finally explain why the series is called Bleach then? That's the more important question. According to interviews by Kubo - The title wasn't Bleach when Tite Kubo decided to draw a story about Shinigami. This was before he drew the one-shot manga that appeared in Akamaru Jump. The weapon wasn't a sword, but a scythe. Only Rukia had a scythe and the other characters used guns. At that point, the title was Snipe (as in "Sniper"). Right before he started drawing, he began to think that a sword would be better and realized he couldn't use Snipe as a title anymore. He began looking for a title that grasped the bigger picture. Shinigami are associated with the color black, but it would have been boring to use "black". "White", on the other hand, can suggest black as a complementary color. So Tite Kubo chose "Bleach" to evoke the impression of the color white. Another one is that shinigami "cleanse" souls, similar to what bleach does (Kubo himself mentioned this in an interview, but it's not clear whether he noticed this before or after deciding on the name). Another is that Kubo is a fan of the band Nirvana, and their first album is Bleach. Praland said: It explains why Tatsuki disappears from the manga? She does appear now and then. But since she' a supporting character, she doesn't get huge screen time obviously. Did you know Tatsuki's favorite wristband is the exact color of Ichigo's hair? or there was actually supposed to be a blonde girl who was supposed to be one of Orihime's close friends, along with Tatsuki. But the blonde girl was cut out and ultimately forgotten. |
ichii_1Apr 15, 2015 1:03 PM
Apr 15, 2015 12:57 PM
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*increasing Bleach score to a 10* Based ichii_1 thanks for sharing. Really shows what a great writer Kubo is,sadly none else in this community(95%) tries to think deeply about it's themes ;( |
Apr 15, 2015 12:58 PM
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Praland said: It explains why Tatsuki disappears from the manga? She's still waiting together with Keigo and Mizuiro when they'll be allowed to come and meet up with Ichigo. I don't think there'd be anything she could do in the current happenings. |
Apr 16, 2015 3:41 AM
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Mindblowing, Bleach turned out to be the greatest manga of all time. All hail Kubo. |
Apr 16, 2015 10:49 AM
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Kirinji Tenjiro Kirinji and Mudras Yes, Tenjirou is seen doing a mudra. Mudras are symbolic gestures that are commonly done with the hands and fingers. Each hand sign has its own deep meaning. The mudra that Kirinji is doing is the gesture of debate. It is for discussion and the teaching of Buddhist concepts. This emphasizes the fact that Kirinji is wiser than he may let on, and it gives insight into his nature. "Lightning-Fast Tenjirō" (雷迅の天示郎, Raijin no Tenjirō) 迅-- Swift, fast 雷-- Lightning bolt; thunder This is yet another connection Tenjirou has to thunder and lightning. The Qilin is known to have a roar of thunder and a golden even flashing body with fire. His zanpakutou itself glows (in certain instances) and is tied to sparkling and flashing like lightning. Tenjirou is seen as lightning fast. There is a pun here, as well. Raijin, his title, also means the god of thunder and lightning. Raijin is a muscular man with the appearance of an Oni. Tenjirou himself sports a muscular body and is known as an Oni. Raijin is generally surrounded by drums. He beats these drums to produce thunder. Raijin beating one of his drums.... Raijin used to be a terrible, evil demon, but he was captured by warriors of heaven, and he has worked for the Buddha ever since. Raijin likes to throw lightning and make thunder. Kirinji's connection to this is his shining lightning flash shikai. In addition, Kirinji is called Raijin because his speed and attacks are as fast as the lightning that Raijin himself shoots down to his enemies. Zanpakutou: Kinpika Kinpika (金毘迦, Gilded Splendor) We've already talked a little bit about this zanpakutou during the Qilin section, but let's delve a little deeper. 金--gold, money, metal, etc 毘--assist, save 迦--commonly used in Buddhist words Very close to the Guardian Konpira, one of the connections to this divine general. 金毘羅 金毘迦 Pika is a sound effect that means sparkle, glow, flash like lightning, etc Put it together and we get: Golden sparkle golden glowing, flashing In fact, we see a variation of this sound effect when Tenjirou pulls out the weapon and releases his shikai, and it starts glowing. 煌く きらめく -- to glitter; to glisten; to sparkle; to twinkle; to glare; to gleam His original release command was Kirameke 煌け. This has to do with the Shining golden body of the Qilin. The Qilin is a mythological beast of splendor, golden splendor. In addition, the Qilin's body sparkles, shines, and it is adorned with shining flames. It also has to do with the sparkling and gleam of flashing lightning that accompanies his glowing shikai. the magnificent golden, shining body of the Qilin His current release command is: "Flash from Illuminating Heavens" (天照一閃,Tenshou Issen). As you see, this also fits perfectly with everything I described with Kirameke. There's more to this command, however. 天--Heaven, sky 照--illuminate, shine 一閃-- flash or brandish Interestingly, the first part of this release command (天照) is the name of Amaterasu, the sun goddess of Japanese mythology. This gives Kirinji's zanpakutou's shikai a bright, shining, amazing quality. Here we see his shikai shining brilliantly like the sun with many sun rays that are frequently shown to express Amaterasu's bright glow. Amaterasu is the goddess of the sun and the heavens. She is a major goddess of the Shinto religion. It is said that night and day were separated when Amaterasu was disgusted by the actions of her brother, Tsukuyomi, the god of the moon. He had killed the food goddess, and Amaterasu was angered greatly by this. She split away from him, separating night and day. Her other brother is Susanoo; she considers him a rival of sorts. She had possession of three special items: a sacred mirror, sword, and jewel. |
Apr 16, 2015 7:40 PM
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Inspiration and Refernces =/= underlying themes and profoundness. A symbolism without substance is a reference. Religion is the easiest thing to use as a basis for references and inspiration. I don't doubt the quality of the above analysis that a lot of you have provided. I'm simply stating that you guys most propably know more than Kubo himself |
"But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
Apr 16, 2015 8:53 PM
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Kanic said: I'm simply stating that you guys most propably know more than Kubo himself No. Kubo doesn't draw backgrounds because he wants to focus on the characters so his character and story have more depth by default. Kubo is a huge Shakespeare fan and it show in his poems and all his names of characters and techniques which each have several meanings which perfectly fit the characters and makes good connections between them,e.g. ulq x orihime, ichigo x rukia etc... don't compare Kubo to some second rate author. Kubo also gives each character a theme song, eg. Ulquiorra's theme is Moonshield by In Flames and Isshin's is Don't drag me down by Social distortion, this isn't evangelion's author. |
Apr 17, 2015 3:01 AM
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I actually do believe that Kubo does this intentionally. The problem is, this doesn't automatically make the story any better. |
Apr 17, 2015 3:08 AM
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lets talk about the poems too they're sugoi |
Apr 17, 2015 3:17 PM
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mayukachan said: lets talk about the poems too they're sugoi -Juha Bach- "Take one step forward. You can never turn back. The whole world. To a sea of blood" -Quilge Opie- "The army moving forward, blowing on the trumpet Never seizing from ringing in the ears; Like a stardust Like the crashing of the pound of military boots" -As Nodt- To live and to be kept alive The difference is nonexistent To die and to be killed The difference is likewise nonexistent All are military/war themed. Juha's means taking a step towards world conquest like Hitler. Quilge's is a dedicated officer. As Nodt's is a person that has joined an army for a greater cause, he is ready for death. As Nodt read the Bible aka Bibel in German. On that note -NAZIS- Vandenreich = Third Reich Sternritters + Soldat = Wehrmacht Elite Sternritters = Schutzstaffel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel Sternritters are a small but elite and powerful army and use blitzkrieg methods, sound familiar? The massacre and the holy attitude they had as justification for their acts is the same. The Wehrmacht also had resistance groups and even tired to assassinate Hitler, just like some Sternriters are doing now. Executing their own incompetent members. Drinking the blood of God. SS uniforms and Sternritters comparison- Nazi eagle emblem/Yellow Badge and Yhwach sword https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge Yhwach = YHWH, Yahweh, the god of Judaism. "A" the Almighty is the title YHWH is known as. It doesn't really mix with Nazis now does it? That means Yhwach is a false god and will lead his men to ruin or they know that but still choose to follow him knowing it leads to their doom. |
ichii_1Jun 12, 2016 1:34 PM
Apr 18, 2015 1:34 PM
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ichii_1 said: That means Yhwach is a false god and will lead his men to ruin. He already did I guess. And those who are still with him will fall too. |
Apr 21, 2015 3:17 PM
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ichii_1 said: Kanic said: I'm simply stating that you guys most propably know more than Kubo himself No. Kubo doesn't draw backgrounds because he wants to focus on the characters kubo doesn't draw backgrounds because he's a shit artist and he's too socially retarded to work with assistants to draw backgrounds for him. kubo is a shit artist. he is not much better at telling stories. |
Apr 21, 2015 4:54 PM
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I get that you like Bleach but I think you are trying too hard Its a generic shounen at best |
Apr 22, 2015 9:39 AM
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^yeah and you have evidence to back that up other than your opinion right? XD And the fate series is inspired by bleach, saber meeting shirou = a straight up copy of rukia meeting Ichigo XD Tokyo ghoul is also inspired by bleach if you didn't know. Tyestor said: ichii_1 said: Kanic said: I'm simply stating that you guys most propably know more than Kubo himself No. Kubo doesn't draw backgrounds because he wants to focus on the characters imbutthurtthatbleachisbetterthanmyshittyanimu Lol typical 95% XD So dumb they can't look beyond the surface. More character analysis added, instead of doing them over, I'll just post the link to the one who did them :) |
May 14, 2015 4:30 AM
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Evangelion said: There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice. Just a fair reminder. |
May 14, 2015 5:35 AM
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Arashi89 said: It's great that they didn't. Evangelion said: There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice. Just a fair reminder. Do they have a symbolism too as to how Ichigo learned Bankai for a few days as opposed to other Shinigamis learning them for hundreds of years other than that he's the MC and he's OP? |
May 14, 2015 11:27 PM
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May 22, 2015 5:08 PM
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the Baraggan part was where it kinda got bullshit, I don't watch Bleach to bring me down lol |
May 24, 2015 4:08 PM
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This is probably the best thread I've seen on MAL. |
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Nov 12, 2015 11:06 AM
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This is amazing Ichii |
Nov 13, 2015 8:22 AM
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May 13, 2016 2:15 AM
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I think I've figured out the reasoning behind Gerard's "miracle" status. Why he the power is named "miracle" and not "regeneration". (Consider my apologies for any and all mistakes and inaccuracies . Corrections are welcome) If I'm not mistaken among the many different beliefs of the New Bible one common agreement is that the greatest miracle among the ones presented was that of reincarnation (both Lazarus' and Jeesus') while there is actually some sort of debate among the rest (eg there are groups that suggest that Jeesus' mother was not a virgin..). So while all the rest that we have seen so far are to be interpreted as regeneration (Ulqiora, Pernidas etc) they would have fallen through some anti-regenaration tactic -like the one Hitsugaya used recently where he froze all functions - but Gerard being a direct reference to the above - if my assumption is correct- is above that and returns every time as a being closer to godlike . He is also considered a part of the Soul King aka God so "maybe" that's what the whole miracle business is about. |
"But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
May 13, 2016 6:33 AM
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Kanic said: Isn't it simply because his power is not regeneration? I think I've figured out the reasoning behind Gerard's "miracle" status. Why he the power is named "miracle" and not "regeneration". He can get bigger using his power, inflict damage to people that put a dent on his sword etc, basically anything miracle related and not limited to regeneration. |
May 13, 2016 7:09 AM
#30
tr1ckst3r said: Isn't it simply because his power is not regeneration? He can get bigger using his power, inflict damage to people that put a dent on his sword etc, basically anything miracle related and not limited to regeneration. Yes, it's not regeneration so it's not called regeneration. My post was about "why is it called miracle" and the assumption is that reincarnation is considered a miracle and is ,maybe, a direct reference to the aforementioned fact about how the Bible's reincarnation is perceived(which is why I posted here). Perhaps his sword is another reference to another religion's well known miracle ? |
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May 13, 2016 7:24 AM
#31
Kanic said: It's called miracle simply because it is a miracle? It's a power to defy common sense. I don't think there is a deeper meaning behind it.tr1ckst3r said: Isn't it simply because his power is not regeneration? He can get bigger using his power, inflict damage to people that put a dent on his sword etc, basically anything miracle related and not limited to regeneration. Yes, it's not regeneration so it's not called regeneration. My post was about "why is it called miracle" and the assumption is that reincarnation is considered a miracle and is ,maybe, a direct reference to the aforementioned fact about how the Bible's reincarnation is perceived(which is why I posted here). Perhaps his sword is another reference to another religion's well known miracle ? What he did was not reincarnation imo because he is not dead yet so there's no way he got reincarnated, he just miraculously escape dead everytime they try to kill him. |
May 13, 2016 8:37 AM
#32
tr1ckst3r said: Kanic said: It's called miracle simply because it is a miracle? It's a power to defy common sense. I don't think there is a deeper meaning behind it.tr1ckst3r said: Isn't it simply because his power is not regeneration? He can get bigger using his power, inflict damage to people that put a dent on his sword etc, basically anything miracle related and not limited to regeneration. Yes, it's not regeneration so it's not called regeneration. My post was about "why is it called miracle" and the assumption is that reincarnation is considered a miracle and is ,maybe, a direct reference to the aforementioned fact about how the Bible's reincarnation is perceived(which is why I posted here). Perhaps his sword is another reference to another religion's well known miracle ? What he did was not reincarnation imo because he is not dead yet so there's no way he got reincarnated, he just miraculously escape dead everytime they try to kill him. It could be that. Maybe I'm just being stubborn about the whole reincarnation thing . Dunno, I'm open to corrections. I'm just suggesting the possibility that his powers are a collection of cultural based miracles |
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May 22, 2016 2:11 AM
#33
Kanic said: tr1ckst3r said: Kanic said: tr1ckst3r said: Isn't it simply because his power is not regeneration? He can get bigger using his power, inflict damage to people that put a dent on his sword etc, basically anything miracle related and not limited to regeneration. Yes, it's not regeneration so it's not called regeneration. My post was about "why is it called miracle" and the assumption is that reincarnation is considered a miracle and is ,maybe, a direct reference to the aforementioned fact about how the Bible's reincarnation is perceived(which is why I posted here). Perhaps his sword is another reference to another religion's well known miracle ? What he did was not reincarnation imo because he is not dead yet so there's no way he got reincarnated, he just miraculously escape dead everytime they try to kill him. It could be that. Maybe I'm just being stubborn about the whole reincarnation thing . Dunno, I'm open to corrections. I'm just suggesting the possibility that his powers are a collection of cultural based miracles There's a lot of reference to angels in Gerard's abilities and character. He's more of a fallen angel. I've forgotten which angel represented the miracles though. |
Oct 8, 2016 7:15 PM
#34
yes, the influences and symbolism are really awesome. The level of depth of the characters is also very well portrayed by Kubo. But sadly the quality of the flow of story didn't match up to these aspects. Unlike Naruto (which has similar religious influences and symbolism), Bleach's story telling was less captivating. If the blend of narration of story was better, Bleach would have flourished better. And Thanks @ichii_1 , your dedication and effort to research into the themes is priceless. I've been searching for Bleach's core aspects and your post surely packs a punch :) |
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Jan 26, 2019 8:08 PM
#35
Thanks for the laughs |
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Jan 14, 2022 11:08 PM
#36
Gonna come back to this thread after I have finished watching Bleach. Bookmarked! |
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Jan 16, 2022 11:26 AM
#37
Damn let me follow this post that's Deep. |
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Jan 16, 2022 11:27 AM
#38
MadnessWillReign said: Damn let me follow this post that's Deep. Yeah follow it mate, it's indeed pretty deep. |
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Jan 16, 2022 11:28 AM
#39
MadnessWillReign said: MadnessWillReign said: Damn let me follow this post that's Deep. Yeah follow it mate, it's indeed pretty deep. WTF there's another guy with my name? How did you copy me? |
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May 19, 2022 10:24 AM
#40
So Bleach was the greatest manga all along |
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