Which religion you follow
| I don't. |
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| @Konikov "About nonbelievers, take a look of what the Catholic Church says in the DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH LUMEN GENTIUM SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI CHAPTER 1 NUMBER 16" Fair enough, but you didn't point to a passage in the Bible in regards to nonbelievers, like I asked. And you do realize that people wrote that stuff. Who's to say that it's the truth? the ‘’absolute’’ (which is something that the atheist doesn’t believe) Atheists can believe in absolute truths. There are plenty of things that are objectively true, and can't be denied. "we can arrive in the conclusion that there is no objective possibility of a world without evil." Says who? Is there some universal law that says this is the case? The created world can not, by any means, be perfect, which has nothing to do with the divine omnipotence and goodness. That has everything to do with omnipotence. If he can't create a perfect world, that's something that's beyond his limits, making him not omnipotent. The very definition of omnipotent, in the dictionary, is "having unlimited power; able to do anything." The key word here is anything. If God created a perfect world without evil, He would not create a world, but a God instead. What does this even mean? "God can be omnipotent, omniscience and omnipresent, but nothing can’t go beyond the limits of logics, according to apologetics" This is a simply ridiculous argument. Again, refer to the very definition of omnipotent that I mentioned above. "You choose to believe, that’s it. And there’s a lot of critics, but there are plenty of people who defend the theism with logic and philosophy." ...But not objective facts. |
html said: -Daijin- said: How is atheism not a religion?and atheism is not a religion. I would define Atheism as the lack of a belief in a deity. |
| I wouldn't really like to call myself a Muslim because I never really practiced Islam but I do believe in Allah and the holy Prophets. I guess 'non-practicing' Muslim would be the correct term. I grew up in an Muslim family but my parents aren't really practicing either. I never got pressured in to believing in Islam, it's my own choice in the end. And I dont want to discuss my choice of religion in here, it is what it is so just deal with it. Thank you. |
| Kolnikov What gives your religion legitimacy over others? How is it any more legitimate than Islam, Hinduism, Greek Mythology, Norse Mythology, Native American gods, etc.? What gives the Bible legitimacy? "I just know" or "because God said so" isn't an answer. |
| Christianity. Jesus is the way, truth, and the light. |
| I'm a Christian, specifically a mix between a Southern Baptist and a theistic rationalist. I was raised a Baptist and it is the most biblical minded in my opinion, but I also like to question things and use reason. I have also quarreled with people in my own denomination. |
MalkshakeNov 3, 2014 2:01 PM
Kolnikov said: ImaginaryFire said: Kolnikov What gives your religion legitimacy over others? How is it any more legitimate than Islam, Hinduism, Greek Mythology, Norse Mythology, Native American gods, etc.? What gives the Bible legitimacy? "I just know" or "because God said so" isn't an answer. Nothing, my friend. Is like the Pope said: we are not better than the others. We're just humans as everybody else is. And being a christian does not make us necessarily better. Also, for reach ''salvation'' you don't have to be christian. The entire Church, with some exceptions, is rotten. But we have the philosophy of the ''individual journey'' (being part of the Church doesn't make you rotten, because even being a part of it, you are still an individual able to make your own path). We just follow what we think is right. Is like moral, good, evil, truth, laws. If you take a solid referential point (which for us is the Scriptures, the Documents, the words of Saints...), you can choose what you think is the best for your life and after it. Perhaps we're wrong, but no matter which god is right and wrong, nobody can blame someone that has no knowledge or guilt. And if there's such an evil god, who will judge everyone that is different, then I prefer to burn in the pit of tartarus than living by the side of a monster. Fair enough, let's leave it at that. You make some good points. You're more reasonable than most Christians I know. Good talk. |
| I am a Muslim , born as one . My parents weren't forcing it or anything ,but with time I wanted to know many things about Islam ,because of the public image made by the terrorist groups like isis , al qaida ..etc . So, after taking it seriously , I started reading through many things , the prophets (Peace be upon them) , their message , other faiths , Tafsir Ibn Kathir ,the books of Bukari and Muslim . I was very interested in other religions like Judaism , Christianity and Atheism isn't a religion to my knowledge ,but I wanted to know more about it . It made me way better than before, more respectful to my parents , my older siblings , neighbors ...etc . I loathed lying , backbiting and all these common things ,that people usually do . I try to reason and convince anyone who hold conceptions about Islam of what I can. |
| Anti-Theism = Just the belief that deities DO NOT exist. And this is different from Atheism as Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity but not the belief in them not existing. |
| Which knght are you? Give an internet? RedHeadphones said: Please, why would I play skyrim if there wasn't a nude female mod? Gameplay? Pfft. |
| I was born into a seventh-day adventist household. Do I follow the religion? Not so much anymore. Let's just say I'm in a rebel phase with it. This religion is the reason why my life sucks to the core. but my mom used to be catholic and my dad greek orthodox christian. |
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| My parents are catholic. I'm agnostic because reasons. |
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ImaginaryFire said: Kolnikov What gives your religion legitimacy over others? How is it any more legitimate than Islam, Hinduism, Greek Mythology, Norse Mythology, Native American gods, etc.? What gives the Bible legitimacy? "I just know" or "because God said so" isn't an answer. Because Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. #TheTombIsEmpty. |
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101gill said: No, anti-theism is being completely against the idea of gods and against religion. Although there is one other meaning which is someone who believes in a god but is against the god. Anti-Theism = Just the belief that deities DO NOT exist. And this is different from Atheism as Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity but not the belief in them not existing. What you said last line is nothing but play on words and means the exact same thing as each other. |
101gill said: Anti-Theism Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope some day You'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope some day You'll join us And the world will live as one  |
MiniSiets said: A good question. I have heard some people say that if Adam and Eve had not sinned when the serpent offered them the forbidden fruit, they never would have faced temptation again. Instead their choice plunged both them and their offspring into a continuous cycle of temptation. Can free will exist without temptation to do evil? Probably not, but I dont know. Once saints in heaven have "glorified bodies" will they ever feel temptation again? I don't know. I would suspect not.Jackrabb1t said: "Whence cometh evil?" Epicurus wasn't paying attention in his religion classes apparently, or perhaps he just didn't want to hear the real answers to his questions, considering the hedonistic philosophy he engendered. I've seen this particular quote several times now on MAL and it's such an irrelevant argument that I feel compelled to answer it. Epicurus ignores considerations of time and considerations of outcome in his argument. God is both willing and able to prevent evil, but chooses to defer judgment until a later time. Why? Because evil allows choice and choice has the potential for greater good. Allowing the existence of evil for now is "worth it" to God because it will result in the creation of saints who have chosen to follow God not merely out of mindless obedience. The damnation of sinners, while lamentable, is ultimately their choice and it is a choice God allows them to make because it is "worth it" to Him. "Whence cometh evil?" It comes from choice, choice which we now have freely, but will not have in the future: "Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess...." Do people have free will in heaven? |
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Kolnikov said: ^If you don't have a dark sense of humor, could be silly. There's no difference of Terror between religious fundamentalism, and political atheism applied in the Soviet Union and China of Mao Tse. So, being and anti-theist or anti-religion is just as bad as being fundamentalist. I would argue the same. Granted, I know I may have been coming across as anti-religion on this thread, but I really am not. There can be beneficial aspects to religion. |
Jackrabb1t said: MiniSiets said: A good question. I have heard some people say that if Adam and Eve had not sinned when the serpent offered them the forbidden fruit, they never would have faced temptation again. Instead their choice plunged both them and their offspring into a continuous cycle of temptation. Can free will exist without temptation to do evil? Probably not, but I dont know. Once saints in heaven have "glorified bodies" will they ever feel temptation again? I don't know. I would suspect not.Do people have free will in heaven? It's very unlikely that God will allow evil to trouble his universe a second time. It began with Satan and will probably end with Satan's destruction in the last days. "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."- Revelation 21:4 "But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life." - Revelation 21:27 |
| I'm not sure exactly. I think the church is stupid but I like some of the basic morals taught by religion. |
traed said: No, the lack of belief is not the same as a belief of none. A lack of belief is like, if a schizophrenic approached you and said, "If you take another step, God will smite you where you stand," and you go, "Hmm, I don't know, should I?!?! I watched too many new atheist talk shows, I don't know what I should believe."101gill said: What you said last line is nothing but play on words and means the exact same thing as each other.And this is different from Atheism as Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity but not the belief in them not existing. A belief is none is like, "Hah! That's bullshit." And he keeps on walking. Christians are like, "That makes sense! I will stand here forever, Master. Praise thee lord." |
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katsucats said: traed said: No, the lack of belief is not the same as a belief of none. A lack of belief is like, if a schizophrenic approached you and said, "If you take another step, God will smite you where you stand," and you go, "Hmm, I don't know, should I?!?! I watched too many new atheist talk shows, I don't know what I should believe."What you said last line is nothing but play on words and means the exact same thing as each other. A belief is none is like, "Hah! That's bullshit." And he keeps on walking. Christians are like, "That makes sense! I will stand here forever, Master. Praise thee lord." what about 'wow i really want to learn from this' so you take the time to really learn and understand it before integrating it and walking on all the same |
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katsucats said: XDtraed said: No, the lack of belief is not the same as a belief of none. A lack of belief is like, if a schizophrenic approached you and said, "If you take another step, God will smite you where you stand," and you go, "Hmm, I don't know, should I?!?! I watched too many new atheist talk shows, I don't know what I should believe."What you said last line is nothing but play on words and means the exact same thing as each other. A belief is none is like, "Hah! That's bullshit." And he keeps on walking. Christians are like, "That makes sense! I will stand here forever, Master. Praise thee lord." |
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OnlyEpix said: You really want to learn from a schizophrenic?katsucats said: what about 'wow i really want to learn from this' so you take the time to really learn and understand it before integrating it and walking on all the sameNo, the lack of belief is not the same as a belief of none. A lack of belief is like, if a schizophrenic approached you and said, "If you take another step, God will smite you where you stand," and you go, "Hmm, I don't know, should I?!?! I watched too many new atheist talk shows, I don't know what I should believe." A belief is none is like, "Hah! That's bullshit." And he keeps on walking. Christians are like, "That makes sense! I will stand here forever, Master. Praise thee lord." |
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| How many times does this have to be explained? Atheism nor theism are religions. They are positions to the god question. Saying that atheism is a religion is like saying "off" is a TV channel. Now to be FAIR, there ARE atheistic religions such as Buddhism that IS a religion but don't follow a deity. But atheism by itself is the non-belief in god...that is literally it. There are no tenants, no rules, no nothing..... And NO, atheism does not assert to know that god doesn't exists. |
Kolnikov said: Yes, I should have read the context.^If you don't have a dark sense of humor, could be silly. There's no difference of Terror between religious fundamentalism, and political atheism applied in the Soviet Union and China of Mao Tse. So, being and anti-theist or anti-religion is just as bad as being fundamentalist. |
NebulaC3I said: Except that if that's the case then your god is not omnipotent and you have no guarantees for what will happen. Maybe one of the Outer Gods from beyond the abyssal void will sweep in and devour him.It's very unlikely that God will allow evil to trouble his universe a second time. It began with Satan and will probably end with Satan's destruction in the last days. |
katsucats said: OnlyEpix said: You really want to learn from a schizophrenic?what about 'wow i really want to learn from this' so you take the time to really learn and understand it before integrating it and walking on all the same if he has knowledge to share, then yes, absolutely. what our society deems schizophrenic could, in another society, be seen as shamanic, a true medicine man |
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Baman said: Maybe the world will end when his mom tells him to stop playing the SimsNebulaC3I said: Except that if that's the case then your god is not omnipotent and you have no guarantees for what will happen. Maybe one of the Outer Gods from beyond the abyssal void will sweep in and devour him.It's very unlikely that God will allow evil to trouble his universe a second time. It began with Satan and will probably end with Satan's destruction in the last days. |
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Jackrabb1t said: You are missing something very obvious here though. If your god is omnipotent, he is also omniscient, and thus already knows exactly how everything will turn out. So there is no need for him to "allow" evil unless he actually approves of it.God is both willing and able to prevent evil, but chooses to defer judgment until a later time. Why? Because evil allows choice and choice has the potential for greater good. Allowing the existence of evil for now is "worth it" to God because it will result in the creation of saints who have chosen to follow God not merely out of mindless obedience. The damnation of sinners, while lamentable, is ultimately their choice and it is a choice God allows them to make because it is "worth it" to Him. Being omnipotent, he can obviously find a way to create the same result with saints and all that shit even without evil. |
OnlyEpix said: What if I told you if you don't paypal me $5000 within the next 24 hours, you'll turn into a pedophile. How long will you investigate that?katsucats said: if he has knowledge to share, then yes, absolutely.You really want to learn from a schizophrenic? what our society deems schizophrenic could, in another society, be seen as shamanic, a true medicine man |
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katsucats said: OnlyEpix said: What if I told you if you don't paypal me $5000 within the next 24 hours, you'll turn into a pedophile. How long will you investigate that?if he has knowledge to share, then yes, absolutely. what our society deems schizophrenic could, in another society, be seen as shamanic, a true medicine man thats an absurd comparison, and anyways it might not take all that long to learn from the man ;D but really, i respect homeless people and i don't run away from them, i talk to them eye-to-eye |
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Jackrabb1t said: A good question. I have heard some people say that if Adam and Eve had not sinned when the serpent offered them the forbidden fruit, they never would have faced temptation again. Instead their choice plunged both them and their offspring into a continuous cycle of temptation. Can free will exist without temptation to do evil? Probably not, but I dont know. Once saints in heaven have "glorified bodies" will they ever feel temptation again? I don't know. I would suspect not. Then what is the relevance of the free will argument? Why allow us to choose if we all become mindless automatons anyway? |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
MiniSiets said: Not according to the Protestant Reformation. The Elect has been predestined to go to Heaven. It only follows that what they do there is also willed by God.Do people have free will in heaven? |
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Baman said: Jackrabb1t said: You are missing something very obvious here though. If your god is omnipotent, he is also omniscient, and thus already knows exactly how everything will turn out. So there is no need for him to "allow" evil unless he actually approves of it.God is both willing and able to prevent evil, but chooses to defer judgment until a later time. Why? Because evil allows choice and choice has the potential for greater good. Allowing the existence of evil for now is "worth it" to God because it will result in the creation of saints who have chosen to follow God not merely out of mindless obedience. The damnation of sinners, while lamentable, is ultimately their choice and it is a choice God allows them to make because it is "worth it" to Him. Being omnipotent, he can obviously find a way to create the same result with saints and all that shit even without evil. That doesn't take the free will aspect into account. Having free will allows for the possibility of evil. The result you speak of is to make robots that cannot make their own choices. |
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