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| Dear God, its awful how they managed to destroy the very good pacing in one whole episode. Wasting Michiru in 2 episodes, just wow :/ |
| By biggest nightmare happened(13 episodes all routes)...And i was pumped up for some Michiru here...R.I.P |
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LonelyWizard said: By biggest nightmare happened(13 episodes all routes)...And i was pumped up for some Michiru here...R.I.P Good thing I was expecting this. And so much for '13 episodes common route into 2nd season', lol. Well, at least this adaptation won't have an issue with the VN's abominable pacing. |
Guess this is how every VN players think of this ep. |
BeatzMe said: Well, at least this adaptation won't have an issue with the VN's abominable pacing. Its the same though, both pacings are painful in different directions besides the background scenes in teh VN. The only good part about this, is really that we wont waste more than two episodes on repition Yumiko :D |
sanlei said: BeatzMe said: Well, at least this adaptation won't have an issue with the VN's abominable pacing. Its the same though, both pacings are painful in different directions besides the background scenes in teh VN. The only good part about this, is really that we wont waste more than two episodes on repition Yumiko :D I like the pacing in Grisiai VN tough :P |
Sweanime said: I like the pacing in Grisiai VN tough :P As said, the background story pacing is good(even perfectly fine), common is alright too, had my fun with it^^ I find the "in-between" scenes wihtin the routes however boring. Im really feeling the "pay per line" obligation there at times. My problems with Yumiko dont help either, to really like it. That said, its of course better than anime pacing, but thats not difficult either. :D |
| So it's seems it's true: they want to do 2 episodes for each girl. Dropped, I already read the vn, I don't need a rushed edition. |
Sweanime said: sanlei said: Its the same though, both pacings are painful in different directions besides the background scenes in teh VN. The only good part about this, is really that we wont waste more than two episodes on repition Yumiko :D I like the pacing in Grisiai VN tough :P It's ok in Yumiko and Michiru's routes. Both of them are the appropriate length and don't feel draggy at all. Amane's route beginning was horribly slow. Sachi's middle kinda slowed down too much as well and all of Makina's was redicuously slow. Though the reason the visual novel has pacing issues is the same reason a lot of visual novels do. Because the writers wanted more money. |
Ichijouji_Touko said: Vvasho said: So it's seems it's true: they want to do 2 episodes for each girl. Dropped, I already read the vn, I don't need a rushed edition. Have you read Meikyuu or Rakuen though? This adaptation obviously have those in mind, nothing wrong with it at all. Most of the first game is totally useless in this case, why would they waste episodes animating stuff useless to the story (AKA 4/5 of the routes) Who will watch them :P this show scarres away anime watchers. VN reader will not touch the sequels if they make this adaption like trash ;D |
Ichijouji_Touko said: Yea,because showing a stray cat(Yep,a random stray cat) dying is more important than giving characters some depth....Vvasho said: So it's seems it's true: they want to do 2 episodes for each girl. Dropped, I already read the vn, I don't need a rushed edition. Have you read Meikyuu or Rakuen though? This adaptation obviously have those in mind, nothing wrong with it at all. Most of the first game is totally useless in this case, why would they waste episodes animating stuff useless to the story (AKA 4/5 of the routes) |
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| just've finished watching the 4th episode, i think if it's true that they will animate every main route for each girls then they are making this fine enough don't they ? if they animate everything from the VN then Yuuji will have to show some romantic feeling to Michiru (and other girls), the first game isn't harem, so i think they did okay to left all the unrelated (romance, slice of life) part. |
Ichijouji_Touko said: Thats my word :ILonelyWizard said: Yea,because showing a stray cat(Yep,a random stray cat) dying is more important than giving characters some depth.... Giving depth to 5 girls in 13 episodes, good joke. Sweanime said: I will watch anything related no matter how much they suck,and im sure there are a lot of people thinking like me in Japan...But i doubt they will spend money and buy this mess...Who will watch them :P this show scarres away anime watchers. VN reader will not touch the sequels if they make this adaption like trash ;D |
LoneWizzyOct 26, 2014 7:50 AM
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Ichijouji_Touko said: Yuuji won't be romantically attracted to any girls in this anime. In the sequels they make it so that he helps 5 girls but doesn't bang them until in Rakuen. Which obviously destroys yar own argument. I dont care for teh whole romantic banging crap. Anime still fails in character development with this decision. Even with the knowledge of said trilogy. Ichijouji_Touko said: LonelyWizard said: Yea,because showing a stray cat(Yep,a random stray cat) dying is more important than giving characters some depth.... Giving depth to 5 girls in 13 episodes, good joke. Thats teh whole point. |
sanleiOct 26, 2014 7:59 AM
Ichijouji_Touko said: cads said: just've finished watching the 4th episode, i think if it's true that they will animate every main route for each girls then they are making this fine enough don't they ? if they animate everything from the VN then Yuuji will have to show some romantic feeling to Michiru (and other girls), the first game isn't harem, so i think they did okay to left all the unrelated (romance, slice of life) part. Yuuji won't be romantically attracted to any girls in this anime. In the sequels they make it so that he helps 5 girls but doesn't bang them until in Rakuen. let's put aside the VN for a while, i did play the VNs though. I don't want to talk about the VN, do we really have to compare VNs to Anime adaptation again ? everyone knows it won't be the same. 13 episodes and they want to animate all without romance part (if it's true 2 episodes for each girl) then they will have to do it like this episode, put away the part that have romance and school life in it, animate the 'key' parts, so they can make it into two episodes. If we're not comparing to the vn pacing (which means it have the romance part) then i think they did it right. |
cads said: let's put aside the VN for a while, i did play the VNs though. I don't want to talk about the VN, do we really have to compare VNs to Anime adaptation again ? everyone knows it won't be the same. 13 episodes and they want to animate all without romance part (if it's true 2 episodes for each girl) then they will have to do it like this episode, put away the part that have romance and school life in it, animate the 'key' parts, so they can make it into two episodes. If we're not comparing to the vn pacing (which means it have the romance part) then i think they did it right. Lets compare it to Little Busters 4 cours then. Its obviously a bad decision to fast pace drama, drama doesnt work well this way. White Album 2 obviously worked well, because it was a single part of said VN and adapted teh common route nearly 1:1. It wouldnt have worked if they butchered the routes within. 2 cours would be enough, but its obviously disregarding that. |
cads said: We are not comparing it with VN ,tho...We are talking about how ridiculous trying to create drama without proper backstory and development is....let's put aside the VN for a while, i did play the VNs though. I don't want to talk about the VN, do we really have to compare VNs to Anime adaptation again ? everyone knows it won't be the same. |
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| Heh, of course most VN readers would be annoyed for the faster pacing, but I actually enjoyed this episode a lot. It was well done especially in direction, I love the director's way of adapting it. All that hurt me was the fact they cut all of the Tunafish man episode, but it was understandable. I can understand, they need to cut off stuff, the romance parts, and speed-en up the pacing if it's 13 episodes and still stay coherent for adapting Meikyuu and Rakuen later. I admit it, while as a VN reader I'm disappointed we won't see whole of Kajitsu adapted, as a Grisaia no Kajitsu anime adaptation fan I was pleased. Nyamel scene was still emotional, though very brief, but well done. I think if they want to adapt everything in 13 episodes, this pacing fits just right for the anime. I'm not watching a VN playthrough, I am watching a 13 episode anime adaptation with key scenes without romance adapted. It does a great job conveying that without falter imo, Can't wait to see Meikyuu and Rakuen adapted later on, that is the main dish for me since I didn't read them yet and I'm waiting for Sekai's localizations to buy them properly. I know every VN reader reaction was negative so far and I expected to see a bad episode, but all I see here was a good one. This is all needed for adapting it right in the minimum of 13 episodes. Of course I wanted at least 24, but now if that's what we're getting, then I'm accepting the adaptation wholeheartedly. So I'm optimistic just as I was. That is all. |
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blooddrunk said: RIP No |
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| Obviously all the VN readers are extremely disappointed by this point, but some of the scenes by themselves were a bit enjoyable...as long as you forget the cluster fuck you've gotten yourself into overall. So are they just going to adapt an extremely abridged version of each route in a continuous timeline with no romance? I don't know too much about the sequels, but according to some people, if it'll flow well into them. All i know of the other installations of this series is that it's a harem spinoff, and a backstory. I don't even care anymore. Keeping us in the dark like this and all this negative speculation is annoying as hell. I hope they give extra time to Amane. DeadIJuicyPriest said: At least someone is positive around here.. |
| I would enjoy just a common route adaption and "read teh damn vn"-end more than this way of adapting. Its not by basic a bad adaption, im still saving every single gif from it, its just a really bad decision of chosen content and the damn chosen episode limit. Biggest problem is: Grisaia is character-driven and its disregarding that. I dont care for sequels if they cant even develop characters. And i dont even mean teh romantic way, its a weak part in teh vn anyway.(Besides Michiru of course). That said drama is just wasted material if its way to fast paced like this. |
| Basically, you can't take a character driven story and rush it and expect it to be effective. Even if we look at it with 13 episode limit this is still far too fast, and they were better off focusing one 2 or even 1 girl instead of giving a small amount of time to each individual one. Even if little busters wasn't a great adaption, it still gave a mostly appropriate amount of time for each heroine. Quite honestly maybe they were better off not trying to really adapt the story by just cutting and placing scenes from the visual novel and trying to do something more original with it. But ah well, I think like someone said earlier. This season is just an excuse so that they can do Rakuen, which definitely seems like the case. |
sanlei said: I would enjoy just a common route adaption and "read teh damn vn"-end more than this way of adapting. Its not by basic a bad adaption, im still saving every single gif from it, its just a really bad decision of chosen content and the damn chosen episode limit. Biggest problem is: Grisaia is character-driven and its disregarding that. I dont care for sequels if they cant even develop characters. And i dont even mean teh romantic way, its a weak part in teh vn anyway.(Besides Michiru of course). That said drama is just wasted material if its way to fast paced like this. Now what I call fast paced is Danganronpa anime. This is a selected scenes adaptation, the episode didn't feel that fast paced to me, most of the scenes were just in right pacing, though Nyamel was too brief and less emotional, but still a nice job. |
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DeadIJuicyPriest said: blooddrunk said: RIP No Anime watchers will never feel it the same way. Recalling the scenes you've read made this episode good for you, but it's not certain it will cause the same reaction on non-readers. I'll make these words mine: Pulsecroxley said: So a word of warning for ANIME only watchers if you are interested in any of the Girls routes and want to experience their routes at a slower pace with much more buildup stop watching, read the visual novel and wait till you are done then watch it. Otherwise if you aren't to bothered about reading the VN for the full experience by all means finish the show and then watch the POTENTIAL sequels |
blooddrunk said: DeadIJuicyPriest said: No Anime watchers will never feel it the same way. Recalling the scenes you've read made this episode good for you, but it's not certain it will cause the same reaction on non-readers. I'll make these words mine: Pulsecroxley said: So a word of warning for ANIME only watchers if you are interested in any of the Girls routes and want to experience their routes at a slower pace with much more buildup stop watching, read the visual novel and wait till you are done then watch it. Otherwise if you aren't to bothered about reading the VN for the full experience by all means finish the show and then watch the POTENTIAL sequels Who knows, so far we had only VN reader reactions, let's see how anime only watcher react to this episode. |
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ihusmal1234 said: Its hard to be optimistic...Ofc i wont drop it and i will watch this to the end but its just because i like the VN and the good animation...DeadIJuicyPriest said: At least someone is positive around here.. But again,there was no way they could make a good adaptation of all routes with a 1 cour anime,so its not the issue of adapting it bad,its just nonsense to adapt 5 route in 13 episodes |
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| >disappointed VN readers in the thread Figured as much. Just about to finish Michiru route (got a bit absorbed into playing Ataraxia) so seeing it all compressed in just 2 episodes is a bit sad. Though with them shuffling and skipping the order of the common route, it was more likely than unlikely to happen. Readers of the source material should have been prepared for anything and kept expectations low. Fortunately I did and I sort of enjoyed the episode. It still made its point across about Michiru's case. The skipped parts won't return no matter how bad one wishes to see them so it's better to move on. You won't miss a thing unless you're aware that there was something missing. But who am I kidding, everyone will just rip this show apart because of this episode. Doesn't really concern me I guess so who cares. |
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DeadIJuicyPriest said: Who knows, so far we had only VN reader reactions, let's see how anime only watcher react to this episode. Yeah, who knows, they might enjoy it. But it's now impossible to do a proper adaptation, that's the reason for my "RIP". |
blooddrunk said: DeadIJuicyPriest said: Who knows, so far we had only VN reader reactions, let's see how anime only watcher react to this episode. Yeah, who knows, they might enjoy it. But it's now impossible to do a proper adaptation, that's the reason for my "RIP". Meikyuu and Rakuen can still be better adapted. |
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DeadIJuicyPriest said: If they decide to do sequels it will be much easier and better i guess...Because i heard that they are really shortblooddrunk said: Yeah, who knows, they might enjoy it. But it's now impossible to do a proper adaptation, that's the reason for my "RIP". Meikyuu and Rakuen can still be better adapted. |
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| It'd be hard to screw up Rakuen, its not like there's any expectations for it anyway. |
hyperknees91 said: It'd be hard to screw up Rakuen, its not like there's any expectations for it anyway. I expect something over the top and entertaining, so you kinda spoke only as yourself. |
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| Wow, this thread is the same 5-6 people whining. I hate that I'm part of this fandom sometimes. |
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MFK said: Wow, this thread is the same 5-6 people whining. I hate that I'm part of this fandom sometimes. Butthurt people are too butthurt. They should just enjoy the show for what it is. |
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| if you are going to piss and whinge in here every week. fuck off back to the the game and stop posting your bitching in here. 3 pages of pure garbage. |
DeformiterOct 26, 2014 9:49 AM
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DeadIJuicyPriest said: MFK said: Wow, this thread is the same 5-6 people whining. I hate that I'm part of this fandom sometimes. Butthurt people are too butthurt. They should just enjoy the show for what it is. A failed drama? But yeah im enjoying teh comedy parts :D |
facade63 said: Its not light novel,get your shit straight before ragingLN folk if you are going to piss and whinge in here every week. fuck off back to the the light novel and stop posting your bitching in here. 3 pages of pure garbage. sanlei said: Same here,they did well with the comedy parts,total fail on drama...And saying this does not counts as being butthurt,just sayin....A failed drama? But yeah im enjoying teh comedy parts :D |
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LonelyWizard said: facade63 said: Its not light novel,get your shit straight before ragingLN folk if you are going to piss and whinge in here every week. fuck off back to the the light novel and stop posting your bitching in here. 3 pages of pure garbage. sanlei said: Same here,they did well with the comedy parts,total fail on drama...And saying this does not counts as being butthurt,just sayin....A failed drama? But yeah im enjoying teh comedy parts :D Game* my point still stands |
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DeadIJuicyPriest said: hyperknees91 said: It'd be hard to screw up Rakuen, its not like there's any expectations for it anyway. I expect something over the top and entertaining, so you kinda spoke only as yourself. Well its just there's nothing really to it is the main thing. It's not something that needs to be crafted with much care I guess you could say. The only way they could screw it up is by not giving it any budget. Even if you did Rakuen in 6 episodes it wouldn't even be a big deal. There's nothing to really miss out on. |
hyperknees91 said: DeadIJuicyPriest said: I expect something over the top and entertaining, so you kinda spoke only as yourself. Well its just there's nothing really to it is the main thing. It's not something that needs to be crafted with much care I guess you could say. The only way they could screw it up is by not giving it any budget. Even if you did Rakuen in 6 episodes it wouldn't even be a big deal. There's nothing to really miss out on. I'd rather not disregard the whole VN, I'll watch the adaptation myself. People still regard it highly on VNDB, so I guess it's just select few people opinions that say it sucks. |
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DeadIJuicyPriest said: hyperknees91 said: Well its just there's nothing really to it is the main thing. It's not something that needs to be crafted with much care I guess you could say. The only way they could screw it up is by not giving it any budget. Even if you did Rakuen in 6 episodes it wouldn't even be a big deal. There's nothing to really miss out on. I'd rather not disregard the whole VN, I'll watch the adaptation myself. People still regard it highly on VNDB, so I guess it's just select few people opinions that say it sucks. I'm not saying it sucks per say, but it isn't something that needs a lot of care to be adapted is all. Basically you read it and watch it because people like the grisaia girls. |
GrimaH said: "You should not post your negative opinions of an anime in the anime opinions thread!" Sure bro. Of course you can, but what he was annoyed of all the VN reader comparisons to the anime, how the anime is not like the VN, etc, I also don't like this part of the thread. |
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| People, you're to pessimistic because of one ep. I bet they just won't to mix the heroine routes with main one. And I doubt Michiru will be just 2 eps. They cut fake dates to avoid romance and time mismatches but I think they'll adapt most of other things. |
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GrimaH said: "You should not post your negative opinions of an anime in the anime opinions thread!" Sure bro. Negative opinions are valid, needed. Whiny opinions that are spouting nonsense are not. Be grateful your favourite series got an adaptation you ignorant plebs. |
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