| Japanese seems to be one of the most popular languages people want to learn now of days. I'm pretty sure it's because of anime and manga, etc inspiring people to learn Japanese, but I just find it really funny how so many of them give up before they've even gotten down the hiragana and katakana alphabets. I'm pretty sure everyone here has seen a guy who loves to post "kawaii" and "arigatou" on every anime/Japanese related youtube video. (sometimes both spelled wrong) I think it would be awesome if more people actually stuck to it. Maybe we could all be conversing in Japanese in the MAL forums xD |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
| i got the basics of hiragana and katakana from http://www.realkana.com/ in two days, and mastered them in a few weeks of repeating them during shitty classes, the sporcle quizzes on kana, and just idendifying them from various anime, espcially those those with nice subbers who do anime OP/ED with english+romaji+japanese i like to think that there are more people who drop learning japanese at the kanji part ;< cause i sure did; (maybe this summer....) but nope, as awesome as it would be, our human nature dictates that we don't actually need to learn japanese, and thats why most people just don't have the motivation to learn japanese |
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| It's more of a spur of the moment thing. People find out that they aren't going to be using it for much, if anything, and therefore don't bother. It's like how many people think how cool it would be to learn guitar, yet many don't bother if they don't see themselves putting their talents to use. Or at least that's how I see it anyway. |
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| My current status: know my hiragana reasonably well, recently started katakana. Aint gonna bother with the actual language itself until i have those two down. Always wanted to learn a fourth language anyway, may as well be japanese. |
romagia said: i got the basics of hiragana and katakana from http://www.realkana.com/ in two days, and mastered them in a few weeks of repeating them during shitty classes, the sporcle quizzes on kana, and just idendifying them from various anime, espcially those those with nice subbers who do anime OP/ED with english+romaji+japanese i like to think that there are more people who drop learning japanese at the kanji part ;< cause i sure did; (maybe this summer....) but nope, as awesome as it would be, our human nature dictates that we don't actually need to learn japanese, and thats why most people just don't have the motivation to learn japanese I'm at the Kanji part and sticking with Japanese. I only know 29 Kanji right now, but I found a site that has the Joyo Kanji and the grades that they're taught in |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
DarkSyndicate said: i was 400 kanji in, via http://kanjidamage.com/ , but i realized that if i try to learn them the same way i did with kana it will take ages, and the best way would be via daily repetitions (with Anki, just like the cool guys from 4chan), and, well, actually using them kanji in my day to day life, which just doesn't happen romagia said: i got the basics of hiragana and katakana from http://www.realkana.com/ in two days, and mastered them in a few weeks of repeating them during shitty classes, the sporcle quizzes on kana, and just idendifying them from various anime, espcially those those with nice subbers who do anime OP/ED with english+romaji+japanese i like to think that there are more people who drop learning japanese at the kanji part ;< cause i sure did; (maybe this summer....) but nope, as awesome as it would be, our human nature dictates that we don't actually need to learn japanese, and thats why most people just don't have the motivation to learn japanese I'm at the Kanji part and sticking with Japanese. I only know 29 Kanji right now, but I found a site that has the Joyo Kanji and the grades that they're taught in but im sure i remember at least 29 kanji, and others would quickly come to mind as soon as i see them on kanjidamage, or just Rikaichan or w/e im also familiar with some grammar thanks to Tae Kim, but he also made me realize that there are a lot of words written only with hiragana that i think i should get intimate with before going deeper in kanji vocabulary also if you use firefox, i strongly recommend the Rikaichan add-on https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/rikaichan/ |
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Dark_Chaos said: It's more of a spur of the moment thing. People find out that they aren't going to be using it for much, if anything, and therefore don't bother. It's like how many people think how cool it would be to learn guitar, yet many don't bother if they don't see themselves putting their talents to use. Or at least that's how I see it anyway. It seems to me more like people just give up, because it's too much to learn. At least at the Kanji part |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
| There are a lot of reasons why people give up. Learning any language isn't easy, and Japanese is one of the hardest for most people to learn. It takes a long time to begin reaping the rewards (which are fairly dubious ones for most; if you're not actually going to Japan in the future). I'm at the stage of knowing a few hundred kanji; but I've put my study of Japanese on hold indefinitely to focus on other things. I'm sure my knowledge will deteriorate over time, but you never lose everything. One day I'll pick it back up again; it's certainly not been given up on. For me the kanji themselves were the biggest draw; they're a lot of fun to learn and the sheer puzzle factor is interesting. For most people though, they're a huge barrier that most other languages don't have. |
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| Others say that because they're faking it to look different and more "otaku". |
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| I've been learning Japanese for some time now. Its an awesome feeling to be able to watch raw episodes :) + don't need subtitles for hentai, woohoo! |
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| It's a fact that you can lose motivation very easily if you only think that what you're studying won't help you directly in earning money. Then there's the thing of learning because you like learning, but that's quite hard to do for most people. I already know hiragana and katakana, and I'm currently working on the kanji part. For this, Remembering The Kanji is a very good method to get started, at least in my case; I can't imagine myself repeating every kanji dozens of times now that I've found that. |
hentai_eucli said: + don't need subtitles for hentai, woohoo! I don't think you have to, to begin with. Got some interesting links in the thread, might check them out, though 1 of them my anti virus blocked. Lol. |
hentai_eucli said: I've been learning Japanese for some time now. Its an awesome feeling to be able to watch raw episodes :) + don't need subtitles for hentai, woohoo! I'm focusing on learning the particles right now. After that I'll go into more kanji and words that go with them Oh, and, Kanojo x Kanojo x Kanojo. Look it up. Have fun. |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
DarkSyndicate said: Oh, and, Kanojo x Kanojo x Kanojo. Look it up. Have fun. I should be suggesting hentai to you. Not the other way around :/ Also already seen. I have seen quite a bit. |
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hentai_eucli said: DarkSyndicate said: Oh, and, Kanojo x Kanojo x Kanojo. Look it up. Have fun. I should be suggesting hentai to you. Not the other way around :/ Also already seen. I have seen quite a bit. Please tell me of more hentai that are around as good as KanojoxKanojoxKanojo おしえてください! |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
| I am taking Japanese only because it is one of the only foreign languages at my university that fits in my schedule and it was more appealing than Italian or Portuguese. It wasn't my first choice at all. It will still be an interesting class, I am mainly interested in learning how to write in Japanese and learning about the alphabet and stuff. |
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| I know my basics, hira, kata, some kanji. But I always get lazyt about studying . . . @hentaiL: Teach me how you got good at Japanese? |
"Fuck this shit, fun things are fun!" |
| I chose Japanese because it's the most familiar for me among the options. Hiragana and katakana aren't hard, I just use them daily. I haven't learned kanji yet, but I'm picking up a few from raw manga. |
| I've never been inclined to learn Japanese. I have no use for it in the real world, and it seems like a lot of work just to watch some dumb anime without subtitles. It'd be more practical to learn something like Spanish if you live in America. |
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Parasprite said: I am taking Japanese only because it is one of the only foreign languages at my university that fits in my schedule and it was more appealing than Italian or Portuguese. It wasn't my first choice at all. It will still be an interesting class, I am mainly interested in learning how to write in Japanese and learning about the alphabet and stuff. There's three alphabets, Kanji has over 40,000 characters but in Japan you'll only be using about 2,000. |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
syshim said: I've never been inclined to learn Japanese. I have no use for it in the real world, and it seems like a lot of work just to watch some dumb anime without subtitles. It'd be more practical to learn something like Spanish if you live in America. Just to watch some dumb anime without subtitles, or to go to Japan knowing the language. It can be way more useful than you just made it seem. |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
StarBurzt said: DarkSyndicate said: Maybe we could all be conversing in Japanese in the MAL forums xD Are you satan... Just imagine people trying to talk japanese while only knowing a few words... Mal would become like a weeaboo gathering place. Hasn't MAL already became a gathering place for weeaboos? |
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DarkSyndicate said: Parasprite said: I am taking Japanese only because it is one of the only foreign languages at my university that fits in my schedule and it was more appealing than Italian or Portuguese. It wasn't my first choice at all. It will still be an interesting class, I am mainly interested in learning how to write in Japanese and learning about the alphabet and stuff. There's three alphabets, Kanji has over 40,000 characters but in Japan you'll only be using about 2,000. Well, indeed you will need more than 2000. You should be ok with that number most of the time, but even the jouyou kanji are 2136 and these are just the basic ones. |
DarkSyndicate said: It can be way more useful than you just made it seem. Yeah, useful if you're so extremely invested in your anime/manga, but not really so much in the real world. Unless you intend to operate a business in Japan, or live there, I see no use in learning such a tough language for merely entertainment. |
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syshim said: Yeah, useful if you're so extremely invested in your anime/manga, but not really so much in the real world. Unless you intend to operate a business in Japan, or live there, I see no use in learning a language for merely entertainment. Learning languages that you like can be a hobby. I learned 2 languages that way. It can be helpful (other than anything that can be described as a hobby) with any kind of job relationship in japan, or studying there. If you'd like too visit the country some time, basic Japanese would be almost necessary. |
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hentai_eucli said: Learning languages that you like can be a hobby. I learned 2 languages that way. It can be helpful (other than anything that can be described as a hobby) with any kind of job relationship in japan, or studying there. If you'd like too visit the country some time, basic Japanese would be almost necessary. Yeah, I know. I guess it's more of a personal thing for me. I definitely do not see it as a hobby, but I learned Spanish in the past because I thought it would be useful in the future (not really). From what else you've said, I can see the reasoning behind it, but it's not something that'd be personally useful for me. |
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syshim said: I've never been inclined to learn Japanese. I have no use for it in the real world, and it seems like a lot of work just to watch some dumb anime without subtitles. It'd be more practical to learn something like Spanish if you live in America. ^ I agree with this post. Japanese is probably one of THE most unproductive languages to learn, for many, many reasons. Coming from someone with a Japanese bg. [EDIT] Please try learning a productive languages, it will help you in the long-run. |
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alexpte said: For someone already familiar with an Asian language, it isn't as difficult to learn Japanese as one who starts with a clean slate since we've already been discliplined to that sort of learning curve and structure. Not if that other Asian language is Korean; that's not going to help you much. |
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| Japanese is it's own linguistic family. Other asian languages won't help you with japanese in the way that knowing english helps with other romance languages. Hell if you know english you're like 20-40% of the way there with french vocabulary. alexpte said: For someone already familiar with an Asian language, it isn't as difficult to learn Japanese as one who starts with a clean slate since we've already been discliplined to that sort of learning curve and structure. I would argue that it is much easier to start with a clean state because, basically, the only way to have a truly clean slate is to be an infant. uvina said: [EDIT] Please try learning a productive languages, it will help you in the long-run. Like what? German? Mandarin? Esperanto? English is the closest thing there is to a global lingua franca. |
fst said: uvina said: [EDIT] Please try learning a productive languages, it will help you in the long-run. Like what? German? Mandarin? Esperanto? English is the closest thing there is to a global lingua franca. I'm saying that there are FAR better languages to learn than Japanese for productivity..... |
| Kanji is a pain to learn. |
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| What about portuguese? The best language. O que falar de português seus viados da poha. |
hentai_eucli said: I've been learning Japanese for some time now. Its an awesome feeling to be able to watch raw episodes :) + don't need subtitles for hentai, woohoo! Both those are pluses. Any tips on learning Japanese? Like where to start what things to use? Is rosetta stone even helpful. Which books to get. stuff like that. |
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DarkSyndicate said: I'm pretty sure it's because of anime and manga, etc inspiring people to learn Japanese, but I just find it really funny how so many of them give up before they've even gotten down the hiragana and katakana alphabets. Nope, you're wrong. I wanted to learn Japanese way before I started watching anime. The Japanese language and Japan has always interested me. I recently started learning Japanese and took me a few tries to learn 'Haji me ma shi te. Watashi wa Joshua de su. Yo ro shku onegai shimasu.' |
uvina said: fst said: Like what? German? Mandarin? Esperanto? English is the closest thing there is to a global lingua franca. I'm saying that there are FAR better languages to learn than Japanese for productivity..... Define productivity... just because more people speak a certain language doesn't make it more productive to know it. I wanted to learn Japanese so I'd be able to speak/chat on the internet with anybody who knows the language, and go to Japan. Do you think I'd learn a language so I could watch a show without subtitles? |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
| I'm reading untranslated visual novels about four months in. You'd be surprised how fast you can learn when motivated. |
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| I'm currently learning Japanese at Language school. obviously because of anime and manga but also because I have a interest in Japanese culture and people. I can read both Hiragana and Katakana and know basic grammar. But my progress has been slow because I haven't had time to study at all. |
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AnimeHasFallen said: hentai_eucli said: I've been learning Japanese for some time now. Its an awesome feeling to be able to watch raw episodes :) + don't need subtitles for hentai, woohoo! Both those are pluses. Any tips on learning Japanese? Like where to start what things to use? Is rosetta stone even helpful. Which books to get. stuff like that. Watch Japanesepod101 on youtube, and if you go to japanese.about.com, just look for whatever you want to learn I guess But start with the hiragana and katakana alphabets. |
| I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
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| I'm learning out of personal interest and because it might prove useful in the near future. Though the lack of motivation, about life in general, is kind of counterproductive. |
| I don't see as useless. All of the knowledge always has some use. Another language can't be different. Some people want to go to Japan. Better if they knew japanese. I'm like those people ;) |
| I got around hiragana and katakana in a few days. And when to read up on kanji. My second language is mandarin, so certain kanji actually make sense to me. The reading on the other hand, is pure madness. They have different reading for a single kanji >.> Japanese is a hard language and im a slow learner, i just read a lil in my free time as i have some interest in it |
| I gradually learn it while watching anime, not really inspired or dedicated. |
| Raise it up, raise up the happiness. |
| What an interesting fact. I'll be sure to store it in the back of my mind for safe keeping. |
| I myself am fluent in Japanese |
| Another one for the vault. |
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