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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- It's confirmed! The Invisible Thing sealed by Touma's Imagine Breaker IS the same Dragon King from the Deep Blood Volume of Index!! |
(Also known on other places as Hiss13) All hail the adorable chess master! |
| Hell yeah that friggin IT makes a sudden reappearance ! And apparentely the Shadow Metal is not just a rumor. |
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| >No bra Misaki >No pan Kuroko >Naked Misaka Fuyukawa pls. So that attack was kinda like a secondary effect of Misaka's powers then since Touma's arm was blown away and IB didn't negate it. Still it was a pretty clean cut. But damn, dragon arm appears. This will surely cause more discussion about IB and that thing. Damn you Kamachi. Take note though that both times we saw it as a dragon was inside AC(Izzard and here) and it's invisible when it manifested outside(WW3 and Baggage City). This should be a good starting point for the discussion. And there was a checklist somewhere with all the girls around Touma and different criterias like have they visited his house and have their chests been touched/groped. Cross out seeing her naked there. Now all that's missing is her getting punched. So now what? What issue is left for this arc? |
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belatkuro said: >No bra Misaki >No pan Kuroko >Naked Misaka Fuyukawa pls. So that attack was kinda like a secondary effect of Misaka's powers then since Touma's arm was blown away and IB didn't negate it. Still it was a pretty clean cut. But damn, dragon arm appears. This will surely cause more discussion about IB and that thing. Damn you Kamachi. Take note though that both times we saw it as a dragon was inside AC(Izzard and here) and it's invisible when it manifested outside(WW3 and Baggage City). This should be a good starting point for the discussion. And there was a checklist somewhere with all the girls around Touma and different criterias like have they visited his house and have their chests been touched/groped. Cross out seeing her naked there. Now all that's missing is her getting punched. So now what? What issue is left for this arc? After some careful reading, imo IT and that Dragon(?) is a separate entity. On Izzard arc, the IT was deflecting the swords and guillotines(if IT is the Dragon(?) then it must had been visible since the arm cut), and on World War 3 arc p.s : i used (?) because i'm not really sure if it really is a dragon Apparantely being seen naked is an obligatory moment for Touman's girls lol. About her getting punched or not, |
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| Touma using Guts, Gunha confirmed for new harem member. All he needs to do now is punch him. Jeez, that Liquid Shadow's range is ridiculous. Still, >20 specific gravity seems way too restrictive. Wonder what she's using for it. |
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| TouMan is so awesome!! Gunha +1 to Touma's harem c; Shadow Metal....I can see this coming to a new arc... |
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| Epic chapter :D Mikoto got seen naked by TouMan and she didn't even have time to react (^_^)b Didn't expect she'll be there to witness the Dragon King. And Touma's arm regrowing. She'll probably think she was imagining things. Loved Gunha's reaction to Touma's gutz this chap. "I didn't expect a dragon to come out. Now that's what I call guts" - Gunha Hilarious words XD +1 to the Bro harem with Accel and Thor :P So no Touma meet Misaki :( someday!!! Kamachi and his damn teasing >.< |
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| And Touman saves the day. Nice. That arm is one hell of a phenomenon. 5/5/5/5 |
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| Amazing chapter. That dragon came out of nowhere, is that stuff in the actual Index novels too? |
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Tyrel said: Yes.Amazing chapter. That dragon came out of nowhere, is that stuff in the actual Index novels too? |
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| That fucking dragon appeared again. And that metal. Questions. So many questions. |
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| That moment when you cant stop smiling because you know shit got real when he lost his arm. Hakuryuukou said: belatkuro said: >No bra Misaki >No pan Kuroko >Naked Misaka Fuyukawa pls. So that attack was kinda like a secondary effect of Misaka's powers then since Touma's arm was blown away and IB didn't negate it. Still it was a pretty clean cut. But damn, dragon arm appears. This will surely cause more discussion about IB and that thing. Damn you Kamachi. Take note though that both times we saw it as a dragon was inside AC(Izzard and here) and it's invisible when it manifested outside(WW3 and Baggage City). This should be a good starting point for the discussion. And there was a checklist somewhere with all the girls around Touma and different criterias like have they visited his house and have their chests been touched/groped. Cross out seeing her naked there. Now all that's missing is her getting punched. So now what? What issue is left for this arc? After some careful reading, imo IT and that Dragon(?) is a separate entity. On Izzard arc, the IT was deflecting the swords and guillotines(if IT is the Dragon(?) then it must had been visible since the arm cut), and on World War 3 arc p.s : i used (?) because i'm not really sure if it really is a dragon Apparantely being seen naked is an obligatory moment for Touman's girls lol. About her getting punched or not, No.That was Stiyl using his powers to create optical illusions.LN: As for WW3 it's supposed to be his willpower.The story makes a point of him no knowing about his powers.Him intentionally using one is out of the picture. As for the Dragon King and IT being separated powers..I dont think so.I think it is like Belatkuro said.The place it manifests changes its appearance.But reading Vol2 again I saw that the Dragon is transparent. "It was supposed to be a monster created by Aureolus’ fear of Kamijou. That was the logical analysis. But, in that situation, had Aureolus Izzard truly imagined that there was a transparent King Dragon’s head living exploding out of Kamijou’s right shoulder? The likelihood was low but what if, just what if, that monster was unrelated to Aureolus’ powers?" And in the manga, the place where his arm was cut is visible through the Dragon's body. But what exactly is the difference between AC and everywhere else?I mean ,Aleister's plan was never fulfilled so.... Tyrel said: From volume 2:Amazing chapter. That dragon came out of nowhere, is that stuff in the actual Index novels too? http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/0/05/Index_v02_297.jpg I am wondering how will everyone forget about this...... The most important thing of all Gunha is actually smart when it isnt about his powers..... |
ssjokgMar 28, 2014 2:01 PM
ssjokg said: I guess I should have said formless. In AC it had a form of a dragon. But outside it was just formless. If it had some form then the narration, as well as Fiamma and Othinus, would have described it as a dragon as well. Though if it's truly invisible, how could Gunha have seen in and even knew it has that form. The page was kinda detailed to imply it had some clear solid form. The first time it appeared it was covered in Kamijou's blood so Izzard and Stiyl saw it that way.As for the Dragon King and IT being separated powers..I dont think so.I think it is like Belatkuro said.The place it manifests changes its appearance.But reading Vol2 again I saw that the Dragon is transparent. ssjokg said: AIM probably since AC is full of it and there's none outside.But what exactly is the difference between AC and everywhere else?I mean ,Aleister's plan was never fulfilled so.... What this means or how it relates to the Dragon King, no clue. |
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belatkuro said: ssjokg said: I guess I should have said formless. In AC it had a form of a dragon. But outside it was just formless. If it had some form then the narration, as well as Fiamma and Othinus, would have described it as a dragon as well. Though if it's truly invisible, how could Gunha have seen in and even knew it has that form. The page was kinda detailed to imply it had some clear solid form. The first time it appeared it was covered in Kamijou's blood so Izzard and Stiyl saw it that way.As for the Dragon King and IT being separated powers..I dont think so.I think it is like Belatkuro said.The place it manifests changes its appearance.But reading Vol2 again I saw that the Dragon is transparent. ssjokg said: AIM probably since AC is full of it and there's none outside.But what exactly is the difference between AC and everywhere else?I mean ,Aleister's plan was never fulfilled so.... What this means or how it relates to the Dragon King, no clue. Not invisible but transparent. The novel describes it like this and the manga shows it the same way in the first panel it appears. I forgot the AIM.Again..... |
| Well, looks like this arc will be coming to a close. It's about time, I wish we had longer chapters. This arc should have been over a long time ago, but I still enjoyed it. More Misaki pls |
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| Serious s question now. Not just Tyrel, but I have seen wondering where the Dragon came from.I know that the anime fucked up the foreshadowing but is that enough to say that it came out of nowhere? OR do people that actually read the LNs forgot about it too? |
ssjokg said: It was really doubtful at first whether its first appearance during Deep Blood was truly an indication that there was something inside Kamijou, what with the nature of Ars Magna and Izzard going batshit and all. People even thought it did come out of nowhere when it appeared a second time. So you can't blame them for thinking that.Serious s question now. Not just Tyrel, but I have seen wondering where the Dragon came from.I know that the anime fucked up the foreshadowing but is that enough to say that it came out of nowhere? OR do people that actually read the LNs forgot about it too? This is just one more reason why people shouldn't read Railgun only. I can only imagine the looks of anime-only folks when Railgun 3 comes and it gets to this part. |
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belatkuro said: ssjokg said: It was really doubtful at first whether its first appearance during Deep Blood was truly an indication that there was something inside Kamijou, what with the nature of Ars Magna and Izzard going batshit and all. People even thought it did come out of nowhere when it appeared a second time. So you can't blame them for thinking that.Serious s question now. Not just Tyrel, but I have seen wondering where the Dragon came from.I know that the anime fucked up the foreshadowing but is that enough to say that it came out of nowhere? OR do people that actually read the LNs forgot about it too? This is just one more reason why people shouldn't read Railgun only. I can only imagine the looks of anime-only folks when Railgun 3 comes and it gets to this part. In the novel the narration itself urges us on to not just accept Ars Magna as the reason. "It was supposed to be a monster created by Aureolus’ fear of Kamijou. That was the logical analysis. But, in that situation, had Aureolus Izzard truly imagined that there was a transparent King Dragon’s head living exploding out of Kamijou’s right shoulder? The likelihood was low but what if, just what if, that monster was unrelated to Aureolus’ powers?" I cant wait for the next "Railgun is a fucking standalone" rant/argument/debate/"discussion". |
ssjokg said: belatkuro said: ssjokg said: It was really doubtful at first whether its first appearance during Deep Blood was truly an indication that there was something inside Kamijou, what with the nature of Ars Magna and Izzard going batshit and all. People even thought it did come out of nowhere when it appeared a second time. So you can't blame them for thinking that.Serious s question now. Not just Tyrel, but I have seen wondering where the Dragon came from.I know that the anime fucked up the foreshadowing but is that enough to say that it came out of nowhere? OR do people that actually read the LNs forgot about it too? This is just one more reason why people shouldn't read Railgun only. I can only imagine the looks of anime-only folks when Railgun 3 comes and it gets to this part. In the novel the narration itself urges us on to not just accept Ars Magna as the reason. "It was supposed to be a monster created by Aureolus’ fear of Kamijou. That was the logical analysis. But, in that situation, had Aureolus Izzard truly imagined that there was a transparent King Dragon’s head living exploding out of Kamijou’s right shoulder? The likelihood was low but what if, just what if, that monster was unrelated to Aureolus’ powers?" I cant wait for the next "Railgun is a fucking standalone" rant/argument/debate/"discussion". is that argument still going on? idk how they can keep saying that when it keeps getting proven wrong. on another note im a bit confused now because |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
hazerddex said: ssjokg said: belatkuro said: ssjokg said: It was really doubtful at first whether its first appearance during Deep Blood was truly an indication that there was something inside Kamijou, what with the nature of Ars Magna and Izzard going batshit and all. People even thought it did come out of nowhere when it appeared a second time. So you can't blame them for thinking that.Serious s question now. Not just Tyrel, but I have seen wondering where the Dragon came from.I know that the anime fucked up the foreshadowing but is that enough to say that it came out of nowhere? OR do people that actually read the LNs forgot about it too? This is just one more reason why people shouldn't read Railgun only. I can only imagine the looks of anime-only folks when Railgun 3 comes and it gets to this part. In the novel the narration itself urges us on to not just accept Ars Magna as the reason. "It was supposed to be a monster created by Aureolus’ fear of Kamijou. That was the logical analysis. But, in that situation, had Aureolus Izzard truly imagined that there was a transparent King Dragon’s head living exploding out of Kamijou’s right shoulder? The likelihood was low but what if, just what if, that monster was unrelated to Aureolus’ powers?" I cant wait for the next "Railgun is a fucking standalone" rant/argument/debate/"discussion". is that argument still going on? idk how they can keep saying that when it keeps getting proven wrong. on another note im a bit confused now because As far as we know, based on what we have seen IB is something that seals the Dragon King/IT. So they probably have no relation with IB being the reference point . |
| all i want to know is how kamijou even had time to deal with all this jazz never a dull moment when you have his misfortune, i suppose edit: i decided to not be lazy and looked back a bit at when things happened in the index novels and in this manga, and it fits together fine - even if it does seem weird that no one talks about the time misaka became a fuckin' devilish level 6 thing. |
grymdylanApr 7, 2014 3:30 AM
| Just i didn't get it , why that dragon arm is back again D: , it's supposed to be an illusion from touman's consciousness ( Ars magna battle) |
Noiren said: Just i didn't get it , why that dragon arm is back again D: , it's supposed to be an illusion from touman's consciousness ( Ars magna battle) No. First of all, it if it was an illusion it would be from Izzard's imagination, not Touma's consciousness. Second, I guess you ignored the novel's narration. "It was supposed to be a monster created by Aureolus’ fear of Kamijou. That was the logical analysis. But, in that situation, had Aureolus Izzard truly imagined that there was a transparent King Dragon’s head living exploding out of Kamijou’s right shoulder? The likelihood was low but what if, just what if, that monster was unrelated to Aureolus’ powers?" |
ssjokg said: i forgot that explanation , 'cause i watched the anime , but now that you mentioned it , you're right , it was an illusion from izzard's fear , but the main point is , why a simple illusion from izzard's fear just came out all of a sudden in railgun series, it's supposed to be just an illusion and not a touman's power?Noiren said: Just i didn't get it , why that dragon arm is back again D: , it's supposed to be an illusion from touman's consciousness ( Ars magna battle) No. First of all, it if it was an illusion it would be from Izzard's imagination, not Touma's consciousness. Second, I guess you ignored the novel's narration. "It was supposed to be a monster created by Aureolus’ fear of Kamijou. That was the logical analysis. But, in that situation, had Aureolus Izzard truly imagined that there was a transparent King Dragon’s head living exploding out of Kamijou’s right shoulder? The likelihood was low but what if, just what if, that monster was unrelated to Aureolus’ powers?" |
Noiren said: Again,read the narration from the LN.THe narration/Touma/Kamachi asks us to not ignore the possibility that the dragon wasnt from Izzard's power but from Touma himself.ssjokg said: i forgot that explanation , 'cause i watched the anime , but now that you mentioned it , you're right , it was an illusion from izzard's fear , but the main point is , why a simple illusion from izzard's fear just came out all of a sudden in railgun series, it's supposed to be just an illusion and not a touman's power?Noiren said: Just i didn't get it , why that dragon arm is back again D: , it's supposed to be an illusion from touman's consciousness ( Ars magna battle) No. First of all, it if it was an illusion it would be from Izzard's imagination, not Touma's consciousness. Second, I guess you ignored the novel's narration. "It was supposed to be a monster created by Aureolus’ fear of Kamijou. That was the logical analysis. But, in that situation, had Aureolus Izzard truly imagined that there was a transparent King Dragon’s head living exploding out of Kamijou’s right shoulder? The likelihood was low but what if, just what if, that monster was unrelated to Aureolus’ powers?" |
| FIRST! what the hell is this ?! i assume there is an explanation for that in Index LN but i didn't read the LN do i completely blind on this one. and just gonna be honest, this shit, that page was frekin EPIC. well, it's not like the first time i have seen that. that dragon appeared in Index too in the first season of the anime adaptation when he was dealing with a man with alchemy power, but it was some kind of illusion so i didn't think it was real. BUT if you look at it again, at this chapter, at this page, from whatever angle you see it, that is absolutely a REAL dragon's head. and i got stunned after i saw that page. on top of that, this is the previous page i knew such thing will happen and i knew Touma will still using his right hand but DAMN! that dragon's head. i didn't see that coming at all. not only that, they even put such cool and badass looking face of Touma and Gunha before the dragon appear. now that is what i call EPIC! serious stuff aside, let's talk about the sweet stuff x3 i'm not gonna say "damn!!! make the ship happen!!! make the ship happen" and sayin that all the time like a brat. no! i'm just gonna keep quite, keep calm and see where things go :D but still i want Touma and Mikoto to be together. just look at that. that's what will happen when cool girl and cool boy meet each other. the Epicness either in action side and drama side LOL. this is the second time Touma saved her life. second time. and i'm still counting until they get together :D This is the best chapter from all chapter is all i can say. looking foward for the next chapter :D |
YizelTroMay 15, 2016 11:40 AM
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| I was waiting for this, YAY I can die happy now. |
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