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Lollo36 said: I still think that just letting Shirou use UBW against Gil without any mana-transfering scene would have been fine. It's not like Archer needed mana to use UBW. Now that's a whole other kettle of fish xD. Independent Action ignores the need for mana as well as providing A Endurance or EX Battle Continuation. |
Maloghurst said: Gov said: the problem with your example with the chilly man is that it ignores that in that very scene caster pointed out that he wasnt getting as much mana as he could have been getting and was just wasting materials. his methods were horrible and he was a shit tier magus overall. no magus worth his salt would need to resort to such a method to generate that pitiful amount of mana on top of this your comparing random children to rin, a magus loaded with more magic circuits than most magi. a vile of rins blood is going to generate more power than at the very least multiple of those children. and as far as the exchange of bodily fluids between rin and shirou you also have to take into account rin has more than double the amount of magic circuits and energy than shirou. a blood transusion+incantation could work but the problem then also comes down to how much power is being generated compared to their magic circuits physically linking up.Yes key word "beings." FMA made it very clear that the philosopher stone needed a certain number of human beinga for it be created and a transmutation circle. Very specific details are needed and I really want to put emphasis on "details". Quantifiable numbers we can measure to give us a certain output. Let us go back to the episode of when Caster's old master was sacrificing a certain amount of children to create a tiny mana crystal. I had no issue with this at all. The input: a certain amount of human children+technology needed to mush their bodies into liquids+magic to drain out the mana. Let us compare this to Shirou and Rin having sex, shall we? Body fluids are exchanged. Ya. We don't know how much is being exchanged because sex is very variable. One session of sex could be different from another. The pacing, the positions, the amount of action of happening, how much body fluids are being exchanged and the stretch of time this whole activity time took place. This is too variable to have a certain output at the end. Theoretically lets say we could, wouldn't this form of mana exchange be simply disadvantageous? Rin has to transfer her body fluids to Shirou but clearly amount of fluids Shirou is giving to Rin is greater than the Rin gives to Shirou. You could make an argument otherwise but then you have to go into the nitty gritty details of the sex they have having. Bottom line, too many issues involved in sex magic for it to be be used here. . I was just using Caster's old master's mana crystals to drive home a point about inputs and outputs. Clear numerical numbers in what has to put in to get a certain end result. Regardless of the fact if Rin has more than double the amount of magic circuits compared to Shirou, the variable number at end is too ambiguous. There needs to be clear distinct explanations on how certain magic works in this universe and I certainly don't want the "because it is magic" explanation but an actual detailed answer. Until then sex magic isn't a good enough answer and I much prefer the hand on chest method the anime chose to do. |
Gov said: Maloghurst said: the problem with your example with the chilly man is that it ignores that in that very scene caster pointed out that he wasnt getting as much mana as he could have been getting and was just wasting materials. his methods were horrible and he was a shit tier magus overall. no magus worth his salt would need to resort to such a method to generate that pitiful amount of mana on top of this your comparing random children to rin, a magus loaded with more magic circuits than most magi. a vile of rins blood is going to generate more power than at the very least multiple of those children. and as far as the exchange of bodily fluids between rin and shirou you also have to take into account rin has more than double the amount of magic circuits and energy than shirou. a blood transusion+incantation could work but the problem then also comes down to how much power is being generated compared to their magic circuits physically linking up. I was just using Caster's old master's mana crystals to drive home a point about inputs and outputs. Clear numerical numbers in what has to put in to get a certain end result. Regardless of the fact if Rin has more than double the amount of magic circuits compared to Shirou, the variable number at end is too ambiguous. There needs to be clear distinct explanations on how certain magic works. I don't wan the "because it is magic" explanation but an actual detailed answer. Until then sex magic doesn't give a good enough explanation on the inner workings of how much body fluid is transferred between each individual. Life essence... |
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TheUnknownMerc said: Gov said: I was just using Caster's old master's mana crystals to drive home a point about inputs and outputs. Clear numerical numbers in what has to put in to get a certain end result. Regardless of the fact if Rin has more than double the amount of magic circuits compared to Shirou, the variable number at end is too ambiguous. There needs to be clear distinct explanations on how certain magic works. I don't wan the "because it is magic" explanation but an actual detailed answer. Until then sex magic doesn't give a good enough explanation on the inner workings of how much body fluid is transferred between each individual. Life essence... What kind of answer is this? |
Lollo36 said: gotta say...that had actually not occured to me i was too busy bitching about the fact that archer was able to use UBW a second time.I still think that just letting Shirou use UBW against Gil without any mana-transfering scene would have been fine. It's not like Archer needed mana to use UBW. |
SaintEmiya said: Lollo36 said: I still think that just letting Shirou use UBW against Gil without any mana-transfering scene would have been fine. It's not like Archer needed mana to use UBW. Now that's a whole other kettle of fish xD. Independent Action ignores the need for mana as well as providing A Endurance or EX Battle Continuation. Even if we accept all this info from Retconville, they could have just handwaved Shirou's powerup by saying that his mana pool/circuits/whatever had increased along with his knowledge thanks to his link with Archer, anything would have been better than what we got in this episode. |
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Lollo36 said: SaintEmiya said: Now that's a whole other kettle of fish xD. Independent Action ignores the need for mana as well as providing A Endurance or EX Battle Continuation. Even if we accept all this info from Retconville, they could have just handwaved Shirou's powerup by saying that his mana pool/circuits/whatever had increased along with his knowledge thanks to his link with Archer, anything would have been better than what we got in this episode. To be honest that does make more sense, as it would also explain what happens to shirou later when he . Yea mana is good, but mana alone isn't gonna give you the skills and strength required for half the stuff he does now, he gets that from his abilities. |
Lollo36 said: I still think that just letting Shirou use UBW against Gil without any mana-transfering scene would have been fine. It's not like Archer needed mana to use UBW. Lol wp |
Maloghurst said: Lollo36 said: gotta say...that had actually not occured to me i was too busy bitching about the fact that archer was able to use UBW a second time.I still think that just letting Shirou use UBW against Gil without any mana-transfering scene would have been fine. It's not like Archer needed mana to use UBW. But then the part where Shirou realizes that he his limits are far beyond just a few magic circuits and activates 27 magic circuits will be meaningless. Oh wait, it already is due to lack of exposition. |
Gov said: WTB Saber route? one of the obvious issues with adapting UBW is that it expects you to know info you have gotten from the Fate route. F/Z is in no way a subsittute for this. i'm glad that the anime did add some of the Fate route content for saber though it's something.[ I was just using Caster's old master's mana crystals to drive home a point about inputs and outputs. Clear numerical numbers in what has to put in to get a certain end result. Regardless of the fact if Rin has more than double the amount of magic circuits compared to Shirou, the variable number at end is too ambiguous. There needs to be clear distinct explanations on how certain magic works in this universe and I certainly don't want the "because it is magic" explanation but an actual detailed answer. Until then sex magic isn't a good enough answer and I much prefer the hand on chest method the anime chose to do. do these explanations help you any? Magecraft Magic Circuits prana/life essence that about the small gist of it, i think it gives the idea. there are some spoilers here and there but i dont think you're gonna read tsukihime, and i think you've SEEN F/Z? i recall you saying so. BUT JUST TO SAY IT ANYWAYS warning contains spoilers. there are some small HF spoilers though. |
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GradationAir said: Maloghurst said: gotta say...that had actually not occured to me i was too busy bitching about the fact that archer was able to use UBW a second time. But then the part where Shirou realizes that he his limits are far beyond just a few magic circuits and activates 27 magic circuits will be meaningless. Oh wait, it already is due to lack of exposition. Don't worry. Sparks will fly everywhere and it will look like a shonen asspull powerup. |
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| In the original VN where I don't mind, but in the Fate route where makes me not be able to take the series seriously. It's so utterly stupid it just passes my stupid threshold, which is actually very lenient. |
GradationAir said: But then the part where Shirou realizes that he his limits are far beyond just a few magic circuits and activates 27 magic circuits will be meaningless. Oh wait, it already is due to lack of exposition. You did so well with your "undercover" work until now. But you just had to slip up. |
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Grey-Zone said: GradationAir said: But then the part where Shirou realizes that he his limits are far beyond just a few magic circuits and activates 27 magic circuits will be meaningless. Oh wait, it already is due to lack of exposition. You did so well with your "undercover" work until now. But you just had to slip up. If you're implying what I think you are it's not him. Unless he stays up 24 hours a day, fakes when he's offline, and posts during Smite games. |
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| You mean you don't? I do all that with my alts all the time, you know. |
Insertanamehere said: You mean you don't? I do all that with my alts all the time, you know. I am living proof of it :) |
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nocorras said: If you're implying what I think you are it's not him. Unless he stays up 24 hours a day, fakes when he's offline, and posts during Smite games. I don't know what you think I am implying and no, I most likely don't imply what you think I am implying. |
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Grey-Zone said: nocorras said: If you're implying what I think you are it's not him. Unless he stays up 24 hours a day, fakes when he's offline, and posts during Smite games. I don't know what you think I am implying and no, I most likely don't imply what you think I am implying. Well played. |
| K did shirou just bone tohsaka without knowing it? Lulz |
lolatusenpai said: K did shirou just bone tohsaka without knowing it? Lulz He used the Bone of his Sword ;D |
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lolatusenpai said: K did shirou just bone tohsaka without knowing it? Lulz does this answer your question? nsfw |
Grey-Zone said: nocorras said: If you're implying what I think you are it's not him. Unless he stays up 24 hours a day, fakes when he's offline, and posts during Smite games. I don't know what you think I am implying and no, I most likely don't imply what you think I am implying. Then what are you implying? |
Insertanamehere said: Then what are you implying? |
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Maloghurst said: lolatusenpai said: K did shirou just bone tohsaka without knowing it? Lulz does this answer your question? nsfw Tohsaka has boobs in the VN? mind = blown |
TheUnknownMerc said: lolatusenpai said: K did shirou just bone tohsaka without knowing it? Lulz He used the Bone of his Sword ;D Now this is just clever. :D I gotta say, out of all the Engrlish in this show, Archer's is definitely the best. |
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lolatusenpai said: rins got plenty of things.Maloghurst said: does this answer your question? nsfw Tohsaka has boobs in the VN? mind = blown |
Forgetfulness said: yes. shirou was able to level the playing field because of the whole "wielders" vs "owners" thing. it's at least apart of it. SaintEmiya said: Doesn't Shirou gain all the knowledge and skill of the owner when he copies weapons though?To be honest that does make more sense, as it would also explain what happens to shirou later when he . Yea mana is good, but mana alone isn't gonna give you the skills and strength required for half the stuff he does now, he gets that from his abilities. |
Maloghurst said: yes. shirou was able to level the playing field because of the whole "wielders" vs "owners" thing. it's at least apart of it. Should take it to VN thread Grey-Zone said: Insertanamehere said: Then what are you implying? If you want to be so dramatic about it not really, but the obvious implication of your post is that he's Fai's alt. |
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| i'd be a little surprised if grey really thought gradation was a fai alt. |
Forgetfulness said: SaintEmiya said: Doesn't Shirou gain all the knowledge and skill of the owner when he copies weapons though?To be honest that does make more sense, as it would also explain what happens to shirou later when he . Yea mana is good, but mana alone isn't gonna give you the skills and strength required for half the stuff he does now, he gets that from his abilities. I thought that had been nerfed in the anime though. Like, instead of him learning from tracing/copying he has to hug Archer or something idfk. |
Insertanamehere said: If you want to be so dramatic about it not really, but the obvious implication of your post is that he's Fai's alt. lol, that isn't it. Before you mentioned it, him being Fai's alt didn't even cross my mind... and I still don't think so. When I was talking about "undercover" I was talking about being "out of character" compared to before... |
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Insertanamehere said: If you want to be so dramatic about it not really, but the obvious implication of your post is that he's Fai's alt. Maloghurst said: i'd be a little surprised if grey really thought gradation was a fai alt. In all honesty there were only 2 accounts here I thought might be Fai's alts, but that was because they'd repeat Fai's posts almost word for word, and were also in a way related to "cooking". Those 2 accounts also don't post at all anymore. |
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| only short flashback was good, everything else was hopeless 2/5 |
| Sperm dolphins confirmed. I've given up on the second season. No matter how good the next fight is, it wouldn't make up for how much they dropped the ball on nearly everything else, and they already ruined the most important fight anyway. DEEN pretty much one-upped ufotable on all the important scenes in the second half of UBW except Rho Aias and Gae Bolg. But even for all of Ufo's flashy rendition, it creates a plot hole because Gae Bolg tears Archer up, but then in the very next scene is perfectly-clothed without a scratch on him. And so Fate continues its trend of mixed-bag adaptations. Still isn't a terrible series but the fact that ufotable had such a strong start makes it all the more disappointing to see it fall so far from where it began. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
| Lol these talks about some people being alts of Fai. Also #Dolphins2015 |
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| The narrative rhythm was normal, there was not even time no disruption of what we expected. The characters almost always are of two kinds, those who are too embarrassed to everything and so those fools do not understand anything; Would that there were sometimes also the option C. Perfect in the drawings and animations, just missing a great battle, action-packed and wickedness; fingers crossed. |
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 Is there still hope for Ufotable? |
| Why everybody is so obsessed with the sex scenes when the majority of them sucked so much in the VN? |
| Rin just took off her sweater... what's she so upset about? It's not like she was naked or even just wearing a bra. She still had a shirt on! |
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| That was.....really dragged out. |
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| smh... Parasyte showed Shinichi and Murano having sex; is there any reason FSN couldn't have done it the way Parasyte did? It was a good episode. I just don't understand the purpose of that change. |
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Zadion said: They just went with the RN version for the scene, both are equally horrible anyway so who cares.smh... Parasyte showed Shinichi and Murano having sex; is there any reason FSN couldn't have done it the way Parasyte did? It was a good episode. I just don't understand the purpose of that change. |
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| Well, the original COULD have been done well. The context and act itself is realistic with these two teenagers... Shirou just could have been a bit more... eh... you know what I mean. |
tsudecimo said: Jesus fucking christ, Shirou and Rin, are literally the most awkward, most annoying, worst couple I've ever seen Rin is an awful tsundere. At this point, I think I like her even less than Saber, what a disappointment this have been since Archer's pathetic change of mind, and Gil stupid plot. 1/5 I don't even feel like finishing this now.. 8/10 >>> 6/10 |
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| Lol Looks like someone is talking to themselves ^^^^ |
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tsudecimo said: Huh.Archer's pathetic change of mind |
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