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Ah,Naruto Shipuuden is overall a good series.Im currently watching episode 142 and its getting better and better...but the first arc (Gaaras rescue) was lame IMO.The Elements Strengths isnt bothering me much...the only thing I hate about the Naruto series are actually the fights...they always manage to put a boring and pointless speech in the middle of every epic fight.Why do they always need to explain their moves and attacks? who the hell cares

Eh, I thought Naruto Shippuden's quality went down once

I thought the beginning of Shippuden until like 50 was bad(until after they meet Sasuke for the first time in Shippuden, with the first 20 episodes or so were really bad) and then it was good until at least the war. It's pretty slow in the war so I'm not too sure about how much I like it yet.

Pretty much exactly what I think. Naruto never really interested me until the Hidan and Kakuzu arc. Before then I thought it was kind of average. From the Hidan and Kakuzu arc to when Sasori fights Kankuro in the War arc I thought everything was awesome. War arc sucked for the most part with good parts here and there, until "he" showed up and started wiping the floor with everyone (actually even before then I thought the Gedo Mazo's asswhooping was awesome, and the Gaara vs Kages fight was good as well). From there on it was good until the mask came off, then it went downhill in the manga (but the anime is doing a good job with it so who knows).

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^ that's so confusing.

By ''Sasori vs Kankarou'' do you mean the one in the war arc?

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^ that's so confusing.

By ''Sasori vs Kankarou'' do you mean the one in the war arc?

Ah crap, forgot that they fought previously in Shippuden. Edited.

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Oh the war arc is horrendous, let's not even sugarcoat it.

It was a complete and utter one-sided beatdown until

Let's not forget Naruto's plot convenient power-up and how much he contradicts the manga's own moral, how long it's been dragged out, a villain so pathetic I can't believe people can sympathize with him or take him seriously,

Hell, Masashi Kishimoto basically admitted he won't be able to kill Madara without some kind of asspull.

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You saw how he went from not being able to to any jutsu and had no chakra control to learning the shadow clone which was supposed to be a jounin level move in an hour to being able to walk on water, make rasengans(which were said that like only 3 people could do and were the peak of chakra control or whatever), and control the nine tails power to a point. All in like less than a year. And then after two years just his chakra control got better and he got a larger rasengan? I don't see how I'm expecting too much of him(though I just realized you were talking about his growth as a character, you can disregard this point if you want). And he was supposed to be training with one of the strongest guys in the world for two years. He didn't even learn any frog moves.

I don't see how he feels more mature. And I think you basically helped me with my point. Why would he have him change in the timeskip that we could not see? There needs to be a cause for change. Nothing happened right before the timeskip that would do that. The closest thing was Sasuke leaving which seemed to affect him more right after it happpened and later on in Shippuden. Nothing really happened with Jiraiya on the trip. When he came back he was just the same. The change would come afterwards. He was goofing around, the same recklessness which showed even more when he was rushing to Gaara's side, ignoring all of those around him who were tired or who had a plan(at least when going after Sasuke in the first part he listened to the plan and kept a cool head). He lost sight of himself in anger and allowed the enemy to get away. The same thing he always does, leaves it to the nine tails. What he did in the bell challenge, he could have done before the timeskip.

They(mostly Naruto) only grew up in size. Sakura grew way stronger and more useful. I'll be rewatching Naruto within the next month or so, so I'll look out but I doubt I'll change my opinion.
He was exceptional but that was basically only his clone and it was the only time since the timeskip that he was caught in a genjutsu. That scene itself felt like an bs moment because they showed all the flashbacks about him learning about genjutsu, talked about how it would be useful for him, then Itachi was the only one who used a genjutsu on him. What do you mean his message? Do you mean the eye or was there something else? And the eye was later in Shippuden.

Yes and I think some of his growth was from his conflict with the kyuubi later. And it wasn't until he hurt Sakura that he realized the danger of it. That's my point, he didn't think about the kyuubi and it's powers during the timeskip.

What do you mean you don't know? About the praising after they beat Kakashi?

Well you can say that but I don't see that. Naruto wasn't consistent and was over relying on the kyuubi's powers until the Kakuzu arc, that's where it seemd that he really decided to think about things. Like with Itachi's clone, Deidara, Orochimaru, he never thought about much and relied on the kyuubi's powers(minus the powers in the Itachi fight, in there he just didn't think). I believe those were the major fights between the start of Shippuden and the Kazkuzu arc (correct me if I'm wrong) where he learned the rasen shuriken and decided to think more about using his clones.
I mean right after he got back from travelling with Jiraiya the first arc was the kazekage arc in which he was very unstable and not really helpful.
Well not just that, but Jiraiya knew frog oil moves and different summonings, his hair move, etc. Yet all they learned was a larger rasengan.

He doesn't make a ruckus? With both Deidara and Orochimaru he snaps, and those are the first two arcs after the timeskip. He ignores his friend's calls and plans and actually hurts them while going psycho on his enemies, both in which they get away. He might be a little less childish, well than he used to be, but he didn't exactly mature that much. And was still fully selfish until after he realized he hurt Sakura. He wanted Sasuke back even though Sasuke left on his own.

Well he talked to Naruto about his brother. There really wasn't a message IIRC. The eye thing wasn't until right before Itachi died. But I will possibly go back to find that or just wait until my rewatch to see if that was indeed an important part.

I think it was more of a grandfather figure. The whole reason he left wasn't to have fun, it was to get stronger so he can protect himself for when the Akatsuki eventually come after him. Maybe not all but he's controlled parts before. It sounds like that's Jiraiya's fault or actually Kishi's if they didn't talk about it a lot of really trained a lot. Jiraiya knew he was going to have to eventually control it. Everyone in the story likes to leave someone else to explain things, his father, the hokage, jiraiya, Kakashi.

Oh my bad. Well first of all he didn't hurt Sakura then. This is when Chiyo died. After Naruto ran after Deidara who had the body, he caught up to him, went crazy, beat him up, let him get away, etc. Then when they were back and after Gaara had been brought back to life. He also thanked Naruto for saving him, remember that handshake that we've seen a couple of other times during the series with the sand around it showing the bond between them? He was the only one who got the handshake yet he was the one who almost messed them up multiple times. Which showed that he cared for Gaara but to me it didn't justify his incompetence during the arc. Was caught in the genjutsu with Itachi and had to be helped, he only helped by giving Itachi the final rasengan with Kakashi's help. Messed up their plan and let Deidara run away from the cave, splitting them up(which might have been the plan actually, idr but I doubt it) and then ran ahead leaving Kakashi behind to deal with Deidara's traps and not covering him while he used his mangekyo, eventually catching up and beating Deidara but let him go because of his anger. Yet was still the one who got the handshake.

Lol that was a hella lots of details.

I mean his basic stats, not his emotional level. He was somewhat messy pre TS, his stats imo were all over the place, and he fought like an amateur. All of those you mentioned, the kyuubi chakra stuff, was caused by his anger, it is irrelevant with his combat prowess. Jiraiya made him stronger, made him a better fighter, but he didn't teach him anything about the kyuubi, and of course, emotion is not something you can control. Naruto is also not the type to think things through, he has his flaws. I can't say that he's that helpful during the kazekage arc, but I can't say that he's completely useless too.

What I meant by ruckus was, he doesn't really cause trouble for a lot of people, like pranks, and such, but his recklessness and rashness are still there, he is just the type that will rush to save someone without a second thought, that part annoyed me a little too but that's Naruto, what can we do about it? I don't really remember how he ruined someone's plan though, maybe he did in the case with Itachi, I remember him rushing out despite Kakashi's warning, that's one of his flaws.

Well there wasn't any message, I guess.. I don't remember much, but that scene was important, mainly for Itachi anyway.

Yes, but on a journey, you can't help but to have fun yourself, even though training was your first priority. You kinow how Jiraiya was.. Hmm, Naruto controlled part of the kyuubi chakra before? You mean that fight between him and Sasuke after Sasuke left the village? Hmm.. maybe.. Or maybe Kishi just wanted to leave that part for later, for us to actually witness Naruto controlling the kyuubi's power. Opps, I almost forgot about Naruto vs Neji, well, I don't know if Naruto was actually conscious about himself using that power, I don't remember him mentioning about that anywhere. It is probably Kishi to blame, maybe he just didn't think things through, and make things up as the series goes on. >.>

What can I say, he IS the main character after all, LOL! The main character always take the spot light. I wanted to say F U to Gon from HxH series to be honest, he took too much spotlight from Killua imo, except for the yorknew arc where it was Kurapika centric.

In the end, you only have problem with Naruto's personality and character, and Kishi's writing. Lol. Well nothing else we can do, really. I was mad too when I read the part with Obito in the war, dragging and more dragging and no story progression at all, for like who knows how long, felt like Endless Eight, and it's bad enough to bump down my score to a 4.

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Oh the war arc is horrendous, let's not even sugarcoat it.

It was a complete and utter one-sided beatdown until

Let's not forget Naruto's plot convenient power-up and how much he contradicts the manga's own moral, how long it's been dragged out, a villain so pathetic I can't believe people can sympathize with him or take him seriously,

Hell, Masashi Kishimoto basically admitted he won't be able to kill Madara without some kind of asspull.

Why are you always so damn salty about Naruto. It's actually kinda funny and amusing.

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I havent seen the Shinobi War Arc yet,but from what Ive heard,its pretty bad and by far Kishimotos worst arc yet...I feel like Im going to skip a loooot of episodes :P

Speaking about Narutos character development:

Sakura and Sasuke have changed a lot since the original series.But Naruto? naaah

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tsudecimo said:

Kaimon237 said:
Oh the war arc is horrendous, let's not even sugarcoat it.

It was a complete and utter one-sided beatdown until

Let's not forget Naruto's plot convenient power-up and how much he contradicts the manga's own moral, how long it's been dragged out, a villain so pathetic I can't believe people can sympathize with him or take him seriously,

Hell, Masashi Kishimoto basically admitted he won't be able to kill Madara without some kind of asspull.

Why are you always so damn salty about Naruto. It's actually kinda funny and amusing.

He does make sense though.

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I havent seen the Shinobi War Arc yet,but from what Ive heard,its pretty bad and by far Kishimotos worst arc yet...I feel like Im going to skip a loooot of episodes :P

Speaking about Narutos character development:

Sakura and Sasuke have changed a lot since the original series.But Naruto? naaah

Personally, it is Kishi's worst arc yet, it's a clusterfuck.

Well, he didn't change that much, but he certainly has grown up, even if it's just a little bit. I am comparing Naruto from Shippuden and Naruto from the beginning of the series. Certain aspect of him wouldn't change that easily

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I havent seen the Shinobi War Arc yet,but from what Ive heard,its pretty bad and by far Kishimotos worst arc yet...I feel like Im going to skip a loooot of episodes :P

Nah dude its not just the war arc a lot of arcs before it are pretty terrible so the best choice is to drop shippuden where you are right now

do it before you regretted it

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If his reasoning in those spoilers the same as his other posts about Naruto then no not really.

He just seems pissed at Naruto and heavily dislike it for some reason but keeps on reading the manga. That's a logic I will never understand if I lived a million year.

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Nah dude its not just the war arc a lot of arcs before it are pretty terrible so the best choice is to drop shippuden where you are right now

do it before you regretted it

lol really? thank God Im watching it per internet,so I can optionally skip it if it gets really horrendous
but for now,Im enjoying the series a lot (the last episode Ive seen is when Sasuke has to fight Killer B)

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Yagami22 said:
I havent seen the Shinobi War Arc yet,but from what Ive heard,its pretty bad and by far Kishimotos worst arc yet...I feel like Im going to skip a loooot of episodes :P

Sakura and Sasuke have changed a lot since the original series.But Naruto? naaah

I'd say your hearing is perfect then.

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tsudecimo said:

Nah dude its not just the war arc a lot of arcs before it are pretty terrible so the best choice is to drop shippuden where you are right now

do it before you regretted it

lol really? thank God Im watching it per internet,so I can optionally skip it if it gets really horrendous
but for now,Im enjoying the series a lot (the last episode Ive seen is when Sasuke has to fight Killer B)

That fight is BOSS! Don't drop Naruto, it's in the lsat arc already, might as well as see it ends, after spending so much time watching/reading it. "The Tale of Naruto"

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I liked the Akatsuki better when they were called Zenom

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tsudecimo said:

Nah dude its not just the war arc a lot of arcs before it are pretty terrible so the best choice is to drop shippuden where you are right now

do it before you regretted it

lol really? thank God Im watching it per internet,so I can optionally skip it if it gets really horrendous
but for now,Im enjoying the series a lot (the last episode Ive seen is when Sasuke has to fight Killer B)

believe me dude you should drop it and not waste your time with this series that fight is so laughably bad don't watch it

don't skip dropping is the best option you have

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tsudecimo said:

ToG25thBaam said:

If his reasoning in those spoilers the same as his other posts about Naruto then no not really.

He just seems pissed at Naruto and heavily dislike it for some reason but keeps on reading the manga. That's a logic I will never understand if I lived a million year.

I don't know what other claims he made, but I certainly agree with this war arc, I am very biased against this war arc, as you've known.

Definitely have to agree with the latter, I've seen a lot, and yes, a helluva lot people that still keep reading or watching One Piece, but gave it a rating of "1", the same goes for every other series. I just cannot imagine them liking the series before even if they said they did. Probably trying to be an elitist.

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believe me dude you should drop it and not waste your time with this series that fight is so laughably bad don't watch it

don't skip dropping is the best option you have

Lol dat troll. He did said that he is enjoying it, I take it as he likes Naruto, so why not.

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Lol that was a hella lots of details.

I mean his basic stats, not his emotional level. He was somewhat messy pre TS, his stats imo were all over the place, and he fought like an amateur. All of those you mentioned, the kyuubi chakra stuff, was caused by his anger, it is irrelevant with his combat prowess. Jiraiya made him stronger, made him a better fighter, but he didn't teach him anything about the kyuubi, and of course, emotion is not something you can control. Naruto is also not the type to think things through, he has his flaws. I can't say that he's that helpful during the kazekage arc, but I can't say that he's completely useless too.

What I meant by ruckus was, he doesn't really cause trouble for a lot of people, like pranks, and such, but his recklessness and rashness are still there, he is just the type that will rush to save someone without a second thought, that part annoyed me a little too but that's Naruto, what can we do about it? I don't really remember how he ruined someone's plan though, maybe he did in the case with Itachi, I remember him rushing out despite Kakashi's warning, that's one of his flaws.

Well there wasn't any message, I guess.. I don't remember much, but that scene was important, mainly for Itachi anyway.

Yes, but on a journey, you can't help but to have fun yourself, even though training was your first priority. You kinow how Jiraiya was.. Hmm, Naruto controlled part of the kyuubi chakra before? You mean that fight between him and Sasuke after Sasuke left the village? Hmm.. maybe.. Or maybe Kishi just wanted to leave that part for later, for us to actually witness Naruto controlling the kyuubi's power. Opps, I almost forgot about Naruto vs Neji, well, I don't know if Naruto was actually conscious about himself using that power, I don't remember him mentioning about that anywhere. It is probably Kishi to blame, maybe he just didn't think things through, and make things up as the series goes on. >.>

What can I say, he IS the main character after all, LOL! The main character always take the spot light. I wanted to say F U to Gon from HxH series to be honest, he took too much spotlight from Killua imo, except for the yorknew arc where it was Kurapika centric.

In the end, you only have problem with Naruto's personality and character, and Kishi's writing. Lol. Well nothing else we can do, really. I was mad too when I read the part with Obito in the war, dragging and more dragging and no story progression at all, for like who knows how long, felt like Endless Eight, and it's bad enough to bump down my score to a 4.

I try, don't get to discuss Naruto that often.

Then how did his basic stats increase? What fight post timeskip made you realize that his stats raised and equalized or whatever?

And your mind is related to his combat prowess, you can't fight correctly unless you're calm. Yes you can control emotions, he just didn't want to, he was eventually able to control the kyuubi.

He stopped his pranks quite early in the show IIRC. I think going off on his own all angry would be considered causing trouble for people. I don't think he's currently like that, he's thinking more now before rushing out.

Are you talking about when Naruto said he sees him as more of a brother than Itachi? I believe that too was later on right before he died. That's why Itachi gave him the eye, because he knew how much he thought of him.

Like 2 1/2 years to train, instead has fun the whole time, he can't help himself so oh well? Well the kyuubi gave him some chakra before on occasions and he controlled it(like with Neji) and yeah possibly that Naruto and Sasuke fight. Even using that amount of chakra that even his child self was able to handle, he'd be able to fight way better. Exactly, he wanted to leave it for later so he didn't have it happen in the timeskip. So the timeskip felt useless. Like in DB timeskips we knew they were training they would come back faster and stronger, with One Piece's timeskip we knew they needed to get stronger and we could see they all did, with Naruto's, it's like the only one where he was supposed to come back stronger but didn't. He does leave a lot of inconsistencies.

I didn't think he should, not all main characters get all the spot light. And it was more like the credit, Naruto didn't have to get the credit and the recognition for something that was done by many people especially when he was the one that caused the most problems. The story could still focus on him, he could still have the spotlight.

Naruto's personality and Kishimoto's writing in the first part of Shippuden. I'm fine with it and I like Naruto a lot later, but he pisses me off and the whole timeskip felt like it's only use was to make the characters older so the rest of the story could unfold. He wasted potential. At least if Naruto came back with a new friend, sidekick, or even an animal sidekick I would have liked it more. Well we can beat up Kishimoto and have him rewrite all of it. Has the anime got there yet? It's already pretty slow right now.

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ToG25thBaam said:

Lol that was a hella lots of details.

I mean his basic stats, not his emotional level. He was somewhat messy pre TS, his stats imo were all over the place, and he fought like an amateur. All of those you mentioned, the kyuubi chakra stuff, was caused by his anger, it is irrelevant with his combat prowess. Jiraiya made him stronger, made him a better fighter, but he didn't teach him anything about the kyuubi, and of course, emotion is not something you can control. Naruto is also not the type to think things through, he has his flaws. I can't say that he's that helpful during the kazekage arc, but I can't say that he's completely useless too.

What I meant by ruckus was, he doesn't really cause trouble for a lot of people, like pranks, and such, but his recklessness and rashness are still there, he is just the type that will rush to save someone without a second thought, that part annoyed me a little too but that's Naruto, what can we do about it? I don't really remember how he ruined someone's plan though, maybe he did in the case with Itachi, I remember him rushing out despite Kakashi's warning, that's one of his flaws.

Well there wasn't any message, I guess.. I don't remember much, but that scene was important, mainly for Itachi anyway.

Yes, but on a journey, you can't help but to have fun yourself, even though training was your first priority. You kinow how Jiraiya was.. Hmm, Naruto controlled part of the kyuubi chakra before? You mean that fight between him and Sasuke after Sasuke left the village? Hmm.. maybe.. Or maybe Kishi just wanted to leave that part for later, for us to actually witness Naruto controlling the kyuubi's power. Opps, I almost forgot about Naruto vs Neji, well, I don't know if Naruto was actually conscious about himself using that power, I don't remember him mentioning about that anywhere. It is probably Kishi to blame, maybe he just didn't think things through, and make things up as the series goes on. >.>

What can I say, he IS the main character after all, LOL! The main character always take the spot light. I wanted to say F U to Gon from HxH series to be honest, he took too much spotlight from Killua imo, except for the yorknew arc where it was Kurapika centric.

In the end, you only have problem with Naruto's personality and character, and Kishi's writing. Lol. Well nothing else we can do, really. I was mad too when I read the part with Obito in the war, dragging and more dragging and no story progression at all, for like who knows how long, felt like Endless Eight, and it's bad enough to bump down my score to a 4.

I try, don't get to discuss Naruto that often.

Then how did his basic stats increase? What fight post timeskip made you realize that his stats raised and equalized or whatever?

And your mind is related to his combat prowess, you can't fight correctly unless you're calm. Yes you can control emotions, he just didn't want to, he was eventually able to control the kyuubi.

He stopped his pranks quite early in the show IIRC. I think going off on his own all angry would be considered causing trouble for people. I don't think he's currently like that, he's thinking more now before rushing out.

Are you talking about when Naruto said he sees him as more of a brother than Itachi? I believe that too was later on right before he died. That's why Itachi gave him the eye, because he knew how much he thought of him.

Like 2 1/2 years to train, instead has fun the whole time, he can't help himself so oh well? Well the kyuubi gave him some chakra before on occasions and he controlled it(like with Neji) and yeah possibly that Naruto and Sasuke fight. Even using that amount of chakra that even his child self was able to handle, he'd be able to fight way better. Exactly, he wanted to leave it for later so he didn't have it happen in the timeskip. So the timeskip felt useless. Like in DB timeskips we knew they were training they would come back faster and stronger, with One Piece's timeskip we knew they needed to get stronger and we could see they all did, with Naruto's, it's like the only one where he was supposed to come back stronger but didn't. He does leave a lot of inconsistencies.

I didn't think he should, not all main characters get all the spot light. And it was more like the credit, Naruto didn't have to get the credit and the recognition for something that was done by many people especially when he was the one that caused the most problems. The story could still focus on him, he could still have the spotlight.

Naruto's personality and Kishimoto's writing in the first part of Shippuden. I'm fine with it and I like Naruto a lot later, but he pisses me off and the whole timeskip felt like it's only use was to make the characters older so the rest of the story could unfold. He wasted potential. At least if Naruto came back with a new friend, sidekick, or even an animal sidekick I would have liked it more. Well we can beat up Kishimoto and have him rewrite all of it. Has the anime got there yet? It's already pretty slow right now.

Oh damn my memory of Naruto.. I totally forgot that there was still a fight/confrontation after the genjutsu, damn, then the genjutsu might just be useless after all, I don't know, don't really remember much of it.. It could also be said that Itachi's genjutsu level is unreal. We know how good he was with genjutsu, one finger point and you're caught.

Naruto lacked speed, martial art/taijutsu, and his fighting in overall was just messy, had to hold onto Kabuto that way so that he wouldn't miss his rasengan. He could've used a clone or two for that. After the time skip, he becomes a better fighter in overall, used kage bunshin against Kakashi right off the bat during their little "test" at the beginning of Shippuden, better taijutsu now, and so on..

Sometimes you just cannot control extreme anger, or sadness, or happiness. Dat kyuubi controlling wasn't even because of him having a better control over his emotion. I just feel like he had grown a little after the time skip. A scene I really liked was him climbing up the pole after he came back to the village, the old him would've tried to get everyone's attention, while the new him was just "I am back!".

Well, the time skip is necessary, to make some characters grow up, like Sakura, Sasuke, Naruto, and for them to train to be stronger. Imagine if we were to keep watching the old Sakura who was all about "Sasuke-kun", imagine if this is still the young Naruto who was very bad at fighting (Naruto rendan lol).. Basically he needs everyone to grow up and stronger, at least strong enough to be able to fight off akatsuki. If, if the series didn't have the time skip there, then what do you think will happen? o.O

He is the protagonist, so naturally, he should be the one shaking hand and receiving the credits, and he was the one who "saved" Gaara from his darkness, and he is the main character, so yeah. To be honest, Gaara didn't even know what everyone did, he was dead all those time wasn't he? >.>

Well, the time skip does feel that way, but, it is still better than Fairy Tail's time skip, that was LOL worthy, I actually think that you should continue watching it for the LOLZ. It was bland for most of the time but it does have it's moments sometimes.

At least if Naruto came back with a new friend, sidekick, or even an animal sidekick I would have liked it more.

LOL! That was out of nowhere. It would be great though if we can see their journey, I really want Kishi to explore more of the Naruto's world.

Well we can beat up Kishimoto and have him rewrite all of it.

That's pretty mean, especially when I know that his dad passed away recently. I know that was a joke

Hmm not yet. It might be easier to go through with the anime though, if I am not mistaken, the anime animates a few chapters per episode? o.O

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Feb 2, 2014 5:24 PM

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The art and writing quality dropped dramatically during the war arc.

Yoshii Kiria took over as leader of Fairytale and rebuilt it and became one of Tsukunes formidable enemies but let's save that story for another time

Hehe, let me introduce him to you again, kid. This is Shuzen Issa (who is MIA during the final battle), who will become your 'trainer' starting today. You still have much to go if you want to become the headmaster.

Like the two souls have started to become one.

Feb 2, 2014 5:38 PM

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KaniowskiKun101 said:

lupadim said:
SAO's end.

MC manages to get the admin password from hes butt.
Game's old admin

Uhm...

All episodes from Naruto and Naruto Shippuden.

Some episodes from DBZ.

Thats all

Kirito = Master of pulling random things out of his ass for no reason/explanation, the true example of MC plot armor

Let's also talk about how Asuna throws a key card off the large tower tree DEFYING ALL LAWS OF VIDEO GAMES AND COMMON SENSE just for it to be a deus ex machina piece of shit
also fairy daughter plz

All these bitches.

Feb 2, 2014 5:45 PM

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Gigglewrap said:

KaniowskiKun101 said:

lupadim said:
SAO's end.

MC manages to get the admin password from hes butt.
Game's old admin

Uhm...

All episodes from Naruto and Naruto Shippuden.

Some episodes from DBZ.

Thats all

Kirito = Master of pulling random things out of his ass for no reason/explanation, the true example of MC plot armor

Let's also talk about how Asuna throws a key card off the large tower tree DEFYING ALL LAWS OF VIDEO GAMES AND COMMON SENSE just for it to be a deus ex machina piece of shit
also fairy daughter plz

Lets. Lets talk about why a fucking VR game of that level would give any damns about current limitations?

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Feb 2, 2014 6:05 PM

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tsudecimo said:

He just seems pissed at Naruto and heavily dislike it for some reason but keeps on reading the manga. That's a logic I will never understand if I lived a million year.

Because it's easy to make fun of and I did used to love it back in middle school. I even own a fair amount of the manga volumes (slowly selling them off), I at least want to see how it ends. I did devote a good amount of time to it years ago. I'm not "pissed" at it, it's just that it's like the Miley Cyrus/Bieber/Lil Wayne of the animanga world, too easy to make fun of.

Plus 3-5 minutes a week isn't much of a commitment, it's why I dropped the anime instead. I actually dropped it after the post-Pain fillers since back then I was keeping up with it weekly but since people only saw my anime list and not my manga list they kept telling me to watch(because obviously "good fights" will change my opinion on story and characters) so I bumped it up to 300 and for the most part it helps.

Plus when he puts effort into it Masashi has some good color spreads, I just wish he could write as well as he could draw.

And on a pettier note it helps me keep my arguments up to date -shrug-

Although for what it's worth, Naruto's fanbase isn't as bad as Dragon Ball's.

Feb 2, 2014 8:55 PM

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ToG25thBaam said:

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Lol that was a hella lots of details.

I mean his basic stats, not his emotional level. He was somewhat messy pre TS, his stats imo were all over the place, and he fought like an amateur. All of those you mentioned, the kyuubi chakra stuff, was caused by his anger, it is irrelevant with his combat prowess. Jiraiya made him stronger, made him a better fighter, but he didn't teach him anything about the kyuubi, and of course, emotion is not something you can control. Naruto is also not the type to think things through, he has his flaws. I can't say that he's that helpful during the kazekage arc, but I can't say that he's completely useless too.

What I meant by ruckus was, he doesn't really cause trouble for a lot of people, like pranks, and such, but his recklessness and rashness are still there, he is just the type that will rush to save someone without a second thought, that part annoyed me a little too but that's Naruto, what can we do about it? I don't really remember how he ruined someone's plan though, maybe he did in the case with Itachi, I remember him rushing out despite Kakashi's warning, that's one of his flaws.

Well there wasn't any message, I guess.. I don't remember much, but that scene was important, mainly for Itachi anyway.

Yes, but on a journey, you can't help but to have fun yourself, even though training was your first priority. You kinow how Jiraiya was.. Hmm, Naruto controlled part of the kyuubi chakra before? You mean that fight between him and Sasuke after Sasuke left the village? Hmm.. maybe.. Or maybe Kishi just wanted to leave that part for later, for us to actually witness Naruto controlling the kyuubi's power. Opps, I almost forgot about Naruto vs Neji, well, I don't know if Naruto was actually conscious about himself using that power, I don't remember him mentioning about that anywhere. It is probably Kishi to blame, maybe he just didn't think things through, and make things up as the series goes on. >.>

What can I say, he IS the main character after all, LOL! The main character always take the spot light. I wanted to say F U to Gon from HxH series to be honest, he took too much spotlight from Killua imo, except for the yorknew arc where it was Kurapika centric.

In the end, you only have problem with Naruto's personality and character, and Kishi's writing. Lol. Well nothing else we can do, really. I was mad too when I read the part with Obito in the war, dragging and more dragging and no story progression at all, for like who knows how long, felt like Endless Eight, and it's bad enough to bump down my score to a 4.

I try, don't get to discuss Naruto that often.

Then how did his basic stats increase? What fight post timeskip made you realize that his stats raised and equalized or whatever?

And your mind is related to his combat prowess, you can't fight correctly unless you're calm. Yes you can control emotions, he just didn't want to, he was eventually able to control the kyuubi.

He stopped his pranks quite early in the show IIRC. I think going off on his own all angry would be considered causing trouble for people. I don't think he's currently like that, he's thinking more now before rushing out.

Are you talking about when Naruto said he sees him as more of a brother than Itachi? I believe that too was later on right before he died. That's why Itachi gave him the eye, because he knew how much he thought of him.

Like 2 1/2 years to train, instead has fun the whole time, he can't help himself so oh well? Well the kyuubi gave him some chakra before on occasions and he controlled it(like with Neji) and yeah possibly that Naruto and Sasuke fight. Even using that amount of chakra that even his child self was able to handle, he'd be able to fight way better. Exactly, he wanted to leave it for later so he didn't have it happen in the timeskip. So the timeskip felt useless. Like in DB timeskips we knew they were training they would come back faster and stronger, with One Piece's timeskip we knew they needed to get stronger and we could see they all did, with Naruto's, it's like the only one where he was supposed to come back stronger but didn't. He does leave a lot of inconsistencies.

I didn't think he should, not all main characters get all the spot light. And it was more like the credit, Naruto didn't have to get the credit and the recognition for something that was done by many people especially when he was the one that caused the most problems. The story could still focus on him, he could still have the spotlight.

Naruto's personality and Kishimoto's writing in the first part of Shippuden. I'm fine with it and I like Naruto a lot later, but he pisses me off and the whole timeskip felt like it's only use was to make the characters older so the rest of the story could unfold. He wasted potential. At least if Naruto came back with a new friend, sidekick, or even an animal sidekick I would have liked it more. Well we can beat up Kishimoto and have him rewrite all of it. Has the anime got there yet? It's already pretty slow right now.

Oh damn my memory of Naruto.. I totally forgot that there was still a fight/confrontation after the genjutsu, damn, then the genjutsu might just be useless after all, I don't know, don't really remember much of it.. It could also be said that Itachi's genjutsu level is unreal. We know how good he was with genjutsu, one finger point and you're caught.

Naruto lacked speed, martial art/taijutsu, and his fighting in overall was just messy, had to hold onto Kabuto that way so that he wouldn't miss his rasengan. He could've used a clone or two for that. After the time skip, he becomes a better fighter in overall, used kage bunshin against Kakashi right off the bat during their little "test" at the beginning of Shippuden, better taijutsu now, and so on..

Sometimes you just cannot control extreme anger, or sadness, or happiness. Dat kyuubi controlling wasn't even because of him having a better control over his emotion. I just feel like he had grown a little after the time skip. A scene I really liked was him climbing up the pole after he came back to the village, the old him would've tried to get everyone's attention, while the new him was just "I am back!".

Well, the time skip is necessary, to make some characters grow up, like Sakura, Sasuke, Naruto, and for them to train to be stronger. Imagine if we were to keep watching the old Sakura who was all about "Sasuke-kun", imagine if this is still the young Naruto who was very bad at fighting (Naruto rendan lol).. Basically he needs everyone to grow up and stronger, at least strong enough to be able to fight off akatsuki. If, if the series didn't have the time skip there, then what do you think will happen? o.O

He is the protagonist, so naturally, he should be the one shaking hand and receiving the credits, and he was the one who "saved" Gaara from his darkness, and he is the main character, so yeah. To be honest, Gaara didn't even know what everyone did, he was dead all those time wasn't he? >.>

Well, the time skip does feel that way, but, it is still better than Fairy Tail's time skip, that was LOL worthy, I actually think that you should continue watching it for the LOLZ. It was bland for most of the time but it does have it's moments sometimes.

At least if Naruto came back with a new friend, sidekick, or even an animal sidekick I would have liked it more.

LOL! That was out of nowhere. It would be great though if we can see their journey, I really want Kishi to explore more of the Naruto's world.

Well we can beat up Kishimoto and have him rewrite all of it.

That's pretty mean, especially when I know that his dad passed away recently. I know that was a joke

Hmm not yet. It might be easier to go through with the anime though, if I am not mistaken, the anime animates a few chapters per episode? o.O

I know it was strong but it felt kind of useless to show all his training against genjutsu to only have one person use it on him and for him to lose.

Sometimes you can't, earlier you said you can't. Him being a ninja he should have trained for that. I believe they mention it multiple times how important controlling their emotions is.
Well you compared his emotions with controlling the kyuubi so I did as well. Well anger allows it to take over him so it is connected.
I don't see how him not yelling that he's there means that he's grown up.

And what about what I asked about what fight or what made you think that his stats rose and were equalized?

Well that's what I said, the timeskip was about making them older, besides that it was useless. It wouldn't fit for Naruto as a child to save the world or whatever. He needs to be a teen for that. But that's my point, Naruto didn't get stronger, his first major fights were won by letting the kyuubi take over and Naruto was plenty strong near the end of Naruto. And in terms with Sasuke, Sakura didn't change much. She still wanted to find him, technically in the story, Naruto left with Jiraiya shortly after Sasuke left. Sakura whining for that long is not unexpected(hell Naruto was the same) and it's expected that after 2 years she would have stopped whining.

That doesn't make much sense. When the main character in a sports anime wins second place it's not him who goes up there and accepts the championship cup, it's the person who won. Just because he's the main character doesn't mean everything should be focused on him no matter what he does. Yes he was technically dead but he had to have heard and it was Naruto who saved him from the "darkness" but it was Chiyo who saved his life.

Any timeskip is better than Fairy Tail's but I still didn't like Naruto's that much. Continue watching what?

Well Sasuke has his posse, I thought it would be cool if Naruto had one too. At least something to make it seem like things had changed. I thought Naruto would look cool if he had a fox(albeit smaller) like this. I don't think he will, it's quite a boring world, I would love it if it had interesting places.

Yeah, like two chapters.

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Feb 2, 2014 9:09 PM

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If you think SAO is a MMORPG themed story you're gonna have a baaaaaad time. There's a clear difference between using MMORPG as the theme and using MMORPG as a convenient setting, SAO happens to be the latter.

Feb 3, 2014 12:19 AM

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This thread should be moved into the SAO section or the Naruto section, seeing how that is all that people are talking about now haha

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Feb 3, 2014 12:20 AM

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Kaimon237 said:

tsudecimo said:

He just seems pissed at Naruto and heavily dislike it for some reason but keeps on reading the manga. That's a logic I will never understand if I lived a million year.

Because it's easy to make fun of and I did used to love it back in middle school. I even own a fair amount of the manga volumes (slowly selling them off), I at least want to see how it ends. I did devote a good amount of time to it years ago. I'm not "pissed" at it, it's just that it's like the Miley Cyrus/Bieber/Lil Wayne of the animanga world, too easy to make fun of.

Plus 3-5 minutes a week isn't much of a commitment, it's why I dropped the anime instead. I actually dropped it after the post-Pain fillers since back then I was keeping up with it weekly but since people only saw my anime list and not my manga list they kept telling me to watch(because obviously "good fights" will change my opinion on story and characters) so I bumped it up to 300 and for the most part it helps.

Plus when he puts effort into it Masashi has some good color spreads, I just wish he could write as well as he could draw.

And on a pettier note it helps me keep my arguments up to date -shrug-

Although for what it's worth, Naruto's fanbase isn't as bad as Dragon Ball's.

You didn't like the Kage Summit arc or the Confining the Jinchuuriki arc? And the anime has been really good recently, much better than the manga.

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Feb 3, 2014 12:40 AM

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Gigglewrap said:

KaniowskiKun101 said:

lupadim said:
SAO's end.

MC manages to get the admin password from hes butt.
Game's old admin

Uhm...

All episodes from Naruto and Naruto Shippuden.

Some episodes from DBZ.

Thats all

Kirito = Master of pulling random things out of his ass for no reason/explanation, the true example of MC plot armor

Let's also talk about how Asuna throws a key card off the large tower tree DEFYING ALL LAWS OF VIDEO GAMES AND COMMON SENSE just for it to be a deus ex machina piece of shit
also fairy daughter plz

Video game laws? What are those exactly?

Both characters suffer from what KaniowskiKun101 said, however Kirito is on a whole other level in my opinion.

Feb 3, 2014 2:31 AM

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Gigglewrap said:

KaniowskiKun101 said:

lupadim said:
SAO's end.

MC manages to get the admin password from hes butt.
Game's old admin

Uhm...

All episodes from Naruto and Naruto Shippuden.

Some episodes from DBZ.

Thats all

Kirito = Master of pulling random things out of his ass for no reason/explanation, the true example of MC plot armor

Let's also talk about how Asuna throws a key card off the large tower tree DEFYING ALL LAWS OF VIDEO GAMES AND COMMON SENSE just for it to be a deus ex machina piece of shit
also fairy daughter plz

HE got both the username and password from the admin who was shown to be friendly with him since ep 14-15.
This is just you not putting one and one together.

And you guys talk about the same laws that we have?Like Virtual Reality,having to eat,sleep inside the game,skill being depended on IRL skill,AI to help depressed players.Yeah they so look like today's video games.

With the same logic Naruto,DBZ,Bleach,OP,TTGL,Gundam all are BS because they defy common sense.

Feb 3, 2014 2:45 AM

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ssjokg said:

HE got both the username and password from the admin who was shown to be friendly with him since ep 14-15.
This is just you not putting one and one together.

And you guys talk about the same laws that we have?Like Virtual Reality,having to eat,sleep inside the game,skill being depended on IRL skill,AI to help depressed players.Yeah they so look like today's video games.

With the same logic Naruto,DBZ,Bleach,OP,TTGL,Gundam all are BS because they defy common sense.

Random answer : Maybe he is talking about how most mmorpg these days doesn't allow people to drop items on the floor (Broke when you throw it out of your invent) or having it bounded to your character(with limited number of transfer), to regulate items distribution? Otherwise i can't really see his point either lol.

Oh yeah... another point... Unique Class... srsly?

Well like i said in my post before.. it's best not to judge sao from it's mmorpg aspect, you gonna have a better time thinking it as having fantasy setting.

Feb 3, 2014 2:48 AM

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judals said:

I'd say your hearing is perfect then.

in almost every naruto forum the shinobi war arc is classified as "horrendous" or "a huge failure".maybe I should skip the whole arc xD

Feb 3, 2014 5:24 PM

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Yagami22 said:

judals said:

I'd say your hearing is perfect then.

in almost every naruto forum the shinobi war arc is classified as "horrendous" or "a huge failure".maybe I should skip the whole arc xD

I'd honestly recommend you to skip a lot of it to be honest. Watch episode 264, 267-270, 275-278, 296, 298-299, and 321-current episode (war arc spans from 262 to current). The rest is just filler or unimportant episodes.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how much the quality improves from 322 onwards.

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Feb 3, 2014 5:44 PM

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The most recent one?
Episode 4 of Chuuni........I dont need to explain myself , it felt like the introduction was just a filler........a nonsense.
There are alot but the one mentioned above was the one that bothered me and still bother me if I start think of it , I guess I had some expectations for the 2nd season......

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Feb 3, 2014 8:09 PM

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Minagatachi said:

You didn't like the Kage Summit arc or the Confining the Jinchuuriki arc? And the anime has been really good recently, much better than the manga.

Well seeing Sasuke get knocked around was kinda funny. Though the Sasuke/Naruto confrontation there was pretty weak, Storm 3 kinda made up for it though but that's a game.

CtJ was OK, though I still have yet to get a reasonable answer as to why

But other than that it was aite

Feb 3, 2014 8:59 PM

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Yagami22 said:

judals said:

I'd say your hearing is perfect then.

in almost every naruto forum the shinobi war arc is classified as "horrendous" or "a huge failure".maybe I should skip the whole arc xD

I think my main gripe with Shippuuden's recent direction is (assume full series spoilers if you're not caught up) -

Feb 3, 2014 9:13 PM

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HalfMetalJacket said:
Fairy Tail's Tenrou Island Arc

Natsu fights some God Slayer mage or something. He isn't able to eat the black flames because their too hot or some shit. He gets rofl stomped, until he eats the said black flame and uses it against the God Slayer dude. What?

Many other lapses in that series.

I agree, but I find Erza's fight 10x more bullshit.

Feb 3, 2014 9:34 PM

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Kaimon237 said:

Minagatachi said:

You didn't like the Kage Summit arc or the Confining the Jinchuuriki arc? And the anime has been really good recently, much better than the manga.

Well seeing Sasuke get knocked around was kinda funny. Though the Sasuke/Naruto confrontation there was pretty weak, Storm 3 kinda made up for it though but that's a game.

CtJ was OK, though I still have yet to get a reasonable answer as to why

But other than that it was aite

Wasn't it stated that Kushina's Uzumaki heritage allowed her to survive because of their vitality?

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