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Yuri!!! on Ice would've been a more popular anime if the characters were female instead of male?

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Nov 30, 2016 7:05 PM

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*checks op profile* ...uh, yeah this is another 'bait' thread, good job op.

Nov 30, 2016 7:14 PM
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Honestly I like the fact that it's a male cast because it's different and as a man I can appreciate the visuals in the skate routines and costume and musical flair even when it's meant to be overtly sexual. I'm exited by the prospect of more routines and bolder visuals not to mention the opening is pretty good.
Nov 30, 2016 7:42 PM

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Well, I would have watched if it was an all-female cast.

That's being said, I get why people feel "tricked" by its title ,but what they don't realize is that Yuri is actually also a common name for Russian males, so its not meant to refer to that kind of yuri that is girl x girl nor is it trying to trick anyone or bait anyone (well other than maybe yaoi fans).
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Nov 30, 2016 10:15 PM

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Hmm...you wouldn't be wrong actually but you can be popular with just teasing a bunch of girls who like guys humping and kissing each other.
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Nov 30, 2016 10:47 PM
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Yuri on Ice has actually been extremely in the mainstream for the anime community this season, so it's not like it's not on everyone's radar.

That being said, a lot of anime fans literally only watch anime for fanservice, so if they aren't gay men or straight women, of course they're going to skip over it.
Nov 30, 2016 11:01 PM

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But if it was an all female cast then we wouldn't have the perfection that is Viktor Nikiforov.
Nov 30, 2016 11:28 PM

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Feels bad man. It could've been better.
Nov 30, 2016 11:55 PM

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I feel like if the characters were female it would have had the same kinda feel as that one motorbike anime a season or 2 ago.
Dec 1, 2016 12:08 AM

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Hmm I would say most likely not. Well it depends what you mean by popular, if you meant amount the western anime fandom then yeah but if you mean in terms of how many people are going to buy it, fujos are just a less saturated market.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Dec 1, 2016 12:28 AM

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No, because it's already outselling those seasonal "Yuri" shows. Besides Kubo isn't interested in pandering to neckbeards.
Dec 1, 2016 12:29 AM

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Katsu-kun said:
I would prefer figure skating PAIRS!

I have to agree to this. pairs would be nice! Might have more chemistry than this coach-skater relationship.
Dec 1, 2016 12:50 AM

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petalshreds said:
Katsu-kun said:
I would prefer figure skating PAIRS!

I have to agree to this. pairs would be nice! Might have more chemistry than this coach-skater relationship.

Yeah I think figure skating pairs is also very interesting to watch. but i guess it'll be a bit harder to animate.
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I think it's because they're both guys the anime is popular and loved. It does not have the typical "but-we're-both-guys"; sexuality is not important in the anime. It brings queer bating anime shows to shame and breaks the cliche, in my perspective.
Dec 1, 2016 1:25 AM

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It's already very popular though, I've heard people talking about it at school. You could ask "hey, what animes are airing this season?" and the answer would be something like "Yuri on Ice and......... Haikyuu maybe.....?".
Dec 1, 2016 1:31 AM

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Realistically speaking, the programs won't be as exciting since women skaters' peak seems to be the triple axel
Dec 1, 2016 1:35 AM
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Nah, it's popular cause it's gay as hell. Female cast wouldn't come close.
Dec 1, 2016 1:47 AM

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It would probably have bit less viewers. It would share some of viewer-base as it does now, people that watch it for ice-skating and people who watch it for good same-sex romance (that are sadly still rare if not almost non-existent in anime). But it would lack some that watch it for BL reasons. It would gain viewers who would be into girlxgirl, but probably less than it gains BL fans. I doubt it would really gain many ecchi fans, the fanservice is quite low really and has dropped lot since first episodes. There was none in EP9..

In terms of people saying it's somewhat not realistic anime cause it has male skaters- skating wise it's actually realistic. YOU has many professional skaters as viewers and it's skating routines are choreographed by actual skating choreographer who is ex-pro skater himself.
Dec 1, 2016 1:53 AM

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Probably, but it doesn't matter, because a rip-off with female characters will probably come soon, and the fact that it's a ripoff will matter less because of it. If something similar with female characters had come first, I'm sure this show would get pretty much no recognition.
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Dec 1, 2016 2:21 AM

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lol, this is outselling Izetta and Keijo by like 10x times.

Dec 1, 2016 6:08 AM

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I think it works really well with its current cast, to be honest. I really couldn't imagine the characters fitting into a different gender at all and I think they chose a wise idea with Yuri On Ice.
Dec 1, 2016 9:51 AM

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Well Idol Memories is a Love Live clone. Get ready for a clone of this.
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Dec 1, 2016 10:02 AM
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Venky_Shetty said:
Thank god it's not all female. I'm tired of these waifus and re:zero gave enough of them for the year. And if it were all female cast, there'd possibly be that one typical high pitched girl which would have probably made me drop the whole show. Phew.. to think about it, we dodged a bullet. No moe crap for me man.


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Dec 1, 2016 11:28 AM

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MasterHavik said:
Well Idol Memories is a Love Live clone. Get ready for a clone of this.


All female sports have been done before and all of them flopped. Idols, males and females, have a viewership. Nobody in Japan cares about watching female centered sports in anime it seems.
Dec 1, 2016 11:32 AM

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there was already an ice-skating all-female cast...it's called PRAD, though it's mostly an idol series.
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Dec 1, 2016 11:48 AM
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I don't know if it would be more popular with a female cast, but I hope that's not the case. I'm saying this because if we just changed it so that all the characters were girls, but everything else remained the same, I'm quite sure the people who would prefer it with a female cast wouldn't be any more interested in it than they are now.Those viewers would probably just be expecting to get a lot of female fanservice, or, which I don't think would be any better, they think that figure skating is a too feminine sport for men. In either case, I think that a big theme in Yuri on Ice is breaking that stereotype, as well as portraying Viktor and Yuri's relationship without fetishizing it, and so the male cast works great with it.

I definitely wouldn't mind watching a female sports anime that focuses on the sport and isn't full of fanservice, but I'm afraid that's not what certain people would be expecting from Yuri on Ice if it had a female cast. (Not that there's anything wrong with fanservice, it's just not what Yuri on Ice is about - except for some of the comedy, but that's not the main point in the series)
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This topic is so silly. All these what if's don't matter because Yuri on Ice set a precedence that has never before been done before. If it was all female cast can the same be said? Who knows but I for one don't believe so.
Dec 1, 2016 11:52 AM

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Tbh I think if it managed to keep the emotion/comedy on the same level a cute light yuri story would have dont just as well, but who knows? Kiss him not me is fairly well liked this season but if genders were swapped people might have written it off as a harem show.
Dec 1, 2016 2:27 PM

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I mean.....I would've watched it if the characters were females
Dec 1, 2016 2:40 PM

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Thess said:
MasterHavik said:
Well Idol Memories is a Love Live clone. Get ready for a clone of this.


All female sports have been done before and all of them flopped. Idols, males and females, have a viewership. Nobody in Japan cares about watching female centered sports in anime it seems.
Which is pretty fucked up but meh what can you do?
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Dec 1, 2016 2:44 PM
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I kind of wish it was with a female cast, but I'm loving all the gayness so...
Dec 2, 2016 4:21 AM

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No. It wouldn't be. Why? Because the number of shows with a primary male demographic in mind always far outnumber shows with a primary female demographic in mind (I'm not saying Yuri on Ice isn't watchable for males, it is, but it's a safe bet to say females are the MAIN demographic between the two).

Also, if anyone other than Sayo (and maybe a few others) directed an all female ice skating show, everyone would write it off as ecchi/moe blob show (even if it somehow broke the ultra-depressing lack of female heavy shows that don't disregard things like character integrity in the name of fanservice). There's plenty of ecchi/moe blob shows out this season, none are more popular than Yuri on Ice. And like another poster said, it's far more popular than Keijio and Izetta.

Regardless, the number one reason this show is popular = it's good.
Dec 2, 2016 5:21 AM

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No, I like it better to be male character instead of female. first, figure skate often relate to female, its kinda boring to watch usual things. and i think the rating has reflected why yuri on ice better be all male character, instead female.
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Dec 2, 2016 9:43 AM

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Gimme some variety instead. Like a snail performing a nice trick over the ice. Who the f*ck wants another CGDCT? Yeah, I know you do.
Dec 2, 2016 9:46 AM

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Highly doubt it,it would be consider fanservice shit and with actual yuri it likely would've turned out worse.Plus there won't be an abundance of fujoshi's overrating it cause fujoshis clearly outnumber the amount of ecchifags.
Dec 2, 2016 10:16 AM

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Venky_Shetty said:
Thank god it's not all female. I'm tired of these waifus and re:zero gave enough of them for the year. And if it were all female cast, there'd possibly be that one typical high pitched girl which would have probably made me drop the whole show. Phew.. to think about it, we dodged a bullet. No moe crap for me man.


No waifus in Re: Zero at all IMO.
Dec 2, 2016 10:28 AM

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Actually no. If it was full of females and had fanservice (like Keijo), then the casuals/non-anime fandom wouldn't even watch it. Look at all the professional skaters promoting YOI. Also, Tumblr fandom is HUGE. A lot of the watchers won't even watch it unless it's different to normal Anime. Another example is Shingeki no Kyojin. I knew many people who don't watch Anime who still watched it because it was ground breaking.
Dec 2, 2016 1:49 PM

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Men & their masculinity is so fragile LMAO.
Scared of some gays.
Poor them.

But no, I don't think so.
The yaoi anime fandom is much bigger than the yuri anime fandom.

& let's be real, most of the watchers are in it for the gay. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Dec 2, 2016 6:07 PM
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oriongreen said:
I've always wanted a figure skating anime with an all-female cast. That's why I got salty when I saw Yuri on ice. My dreams got crushed.

Ginban Kaleidoscope is pretty much that.
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Dec 2, 2016 9:58 PM

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i'm always hungry for some more yuri anime (because there are far too few really decent ones) and my dreams turned to dust on checking this one out. all in all this anime season has been lackluster, as usual (what's new?)...and no, i'm not a guy who's afraid of gay s@#t, i just would love an anime with two girls falling in love that isn't tripe.
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Dec 3, 2016 2:41 AM
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i think if female, this anime will not as attractive as now, it will be more for research purpouse only
Dec 3, 2016 2:54 AM

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If this were an all girl cast with the same fantastic story and characters, I would still love it to death.

However... if this were just as shitty as most moe shows are, where the female characters are stupid archetypes with no character, I would have loathed it like I do most of those shows.

I have no patience for the superficial wifeu. I like character development and story first and foremost, so, as long as those are good, I would have watched it regardless.

But, it would have been more popular if it were and all girl cast. Even if the story would have been crap it still would have been more popular and a lot of people would have not been so pissed off about the "gay" elements then.

The thing is.. in a season that's packed with things like Hibike Euphonium (for shojo ai lovers) and Keijou (for straight guys who want to see girl on girl action), I think the Shonen ai community deserves a good drama specifically aimed at them.
Dec 3, 2016 4:31 AM

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It would've been less popular. Fujos are a powerful otaku subgroup at the moment, and the recent wave of sport titles with BL subtext is making them reach well into their pocket. Yuri, and GL in general, are pretty much a niche market that never sold that well, especially when anime sales are concerned.

Might not be the best comparison, but there is a sport title with GL subtext this season, and it's nowhere near as popular as the sport shows with the predominantly male cast, such as Haikyuu, All Outs, or Yuri on Ice (though, I'm just going with MAL popularity for this comparison). The show is pretty much like Saki, but with ping pong, and iirc, Saki pretty much bombed as far as sales are concerned as well. Oh, and there is also this airing, but I can't say if it has any kind of subtext, as I haven't seen it, or if it's just a CGDCT sport hybrid, but there are like a handful of people watching it compared to the shows I previously mentioned.

So, no, and there is also the matter of presentation, which is also very important. I'm enjoying Yuri on Ice, and even leaving aside some questionably animated skating performances, it's not hard to tell that the anime is well produced. And I can actually appreciate the open nature of the character relationships, rather than having doujins write them out for the less observant ones. The supporting characters are more likeable though, but that's something to be discussed in a different place.

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Men & their masculinity is so fragile LMAO.
Scared of some gays.
Poor them.


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Also, if any of you seriously think only straight females are watching YOI, then you are delusional as hell.
Dec 3, 2016 7:10 AM

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I don't think it would be this popular if they were girls, just like Free wouldn't be popular if they were girls.
Dec 8, 2016 12:02 AM
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i dont think it would be as popular... i have A LOT of friends who love yoi, but they think im a creep for watching flip flappers (it has girl x girl)
Dec 8, 2016 12:37 AM

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For this in particular its popular exactly cause it's male... but I'd really love to see a full female cast and yuri one as well.
Dec 8, 2016 2:12 AM

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Don't get salty at what I'm about to say, but I absolutely agree that it should be a female cast anime. As if figure-skating wasn't gay enough as is, the show only furthers it since it's pretty much a fujoshi's wet dream. Not saying it would be any different have it been a female cast instead. I just think it'd make more sense it being all female instead of male.


If you had known anything about figure skating, you'd know that figure skating is an extremely heteronormative and homophobic sport. The fact that YoI has been raising controversy amongst the Japanese figure skating community says as much. I think the choice to go with a male cast (and let's face it, unless they did pair skating they would have needed to focus on one gender) was a good one. Especially considering it's not a sport that is generally concidered "manly". The creators are figure skating otaku's and it shows. I don't think that they've made choices that essentially ended up being provocative was a coincidence. Heck, one Victor flashback even payed homage to an openly gay figure skater, who has gone through hell because of his career as a figure skater in combination with his sexuality.
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it won't be popular but it will be better
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Dec 8, 2016 8:18 AM

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No, it won't be popular.

Try to name an All-girl cast sports anime that was popular in the past. Doubt there's any.
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Okay so like... even if I think YoI is perfect as it is, can you guys please stop talking about how it would have been ecchi or moe trash? Especially if it was made by the same creators who are currently working on Yuri on Ice, I doubt that would have been the case. Just as Yuri on Ice is doing a good job not falling into the typical BL traps, I'm a 100% convinced that with an all female cast, it would have done just as good a job not falling into the equally typical GL and ecchi traps. It's trying to be different now, and even if they switched genders of the characters, I don't think that would have changed.
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