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| WHAT IS THIS DOING TO MY FEELINGS, omg. I'm gonna cry if maria doesn't come back seriously, I was on the tips of crying already at the end of both last episodes. |
idk why I was here but I'm prob back to playing Hunt: Showdown 1896 again when you read this |
This episode was pretty good, demonstrated (or at least gave hints) what someone who is repressed would do if given the knowledge to fight back. Looks like things are taking a turn for the worse. |
thesnnitro said: This episode was pretty good, demonstrated (or at least gave hints) what someone who is repressed would do if given the knowledge to fight back. Looks like things are taking a turn for the worse. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| I don't like this. Queerats, who are obviously as intelligent as humans, gained enough knowledge (as a race) to make concrete buildings and high quality medieval age armor and weapons. With that speed there won't be long before their technology advances to the same level we currently are - nukes, planes, rocket artillery etc. Only thing that is stopping Queerats from attacking humans are human psionic abilities. I don't like this. 5/5 for episode, and I think I'll bump overall score up :D |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
HongISfirE said: no, tomiko said there's is 70k in entire japanese archipelago. 2% is human population after age od strife. I wonder how queerat will fight human, i mean, 0,1% PK win again 99,9% muggle with technology. Oh I didn't remember that, in which episode was it? About the technology of the queerats, yes they might be quite primitive yet, but the knowledge is already out there, in books, false minoshiros or whatever, if they find and descipher them (which already happened probably) they might be able to turn into an advanced society in a matter of years, but I really don't think this will be shown, the most inmediate danger is the appearance of a fiend, which I think will definitely happen in the next few eps. |
PosseJan 13, 2013 11:24 AM
| yeah latest episode is not bad, enjoyed it , also enjoy it satoru saki episode :> but man that squealer... fcking annoying imo i just hate him D: |
Posse said: You must remember that the PK of old age and the current ones are not the same. The old PK were not bound by anything and they can go rampage at will unlike the PK nowadays. Tomiko also said this, only the group 1 is not being controlled which means everyone else is being controlled. What does that even mean? In the old episodes you can see Satoru went killing spree on queerats. Does that apply to every single PK right now? I doubt it. The best example would be using real life gun. In real life we use guns to take down our enemies and everyone can use it but does that mean our parents, sisters, brothers can use gun very effective if they were to hand out a gun right now? No they won't. It is the same with their current society, most of the PK were being controlled and taught to use their Cantus for everyday life but not for violence. Unlike group 1, people in group 1 can use their Cantus for violence. Another example would in episode 12 where Tomiko telling the story of Fiend to Saki and she said "They(PK) were all bound by the powerful mental restraints on violence and their own death feedback."HongISfirE said: no, tomiko said there's is 70k in entire japanese archipelago. 2% is human population after age od strife. I wonder how queerat will fight human, i mean, 0,1% PK win again 99,9% muggle with technology. Oh I didn't remember that, in which episode was it? About the technology of the queerats, yes they might be quite primitive yet, but the knowledge is already out there, in books, false minoshiros or whatever, if they find and descipher them (which already happened probably) they might be able to turn into an advanced society in a matter of years, but I really don't think this will be shown, the most inmediate danger is the appearance of a fiend, which I think will definitely happen in the next few eps. What I am saying is that the chance for queerats to win this battle is not zero. |
"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| Awesome episode. I'm guessing the rats are plotting against human, I mean, the sheer thickness of sycophantic crap coming out of Squalers mouth is almost suffocating! Don't trust 'em. Don't rust any of 'em. |
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Siva said: You must remember that the PK of old age and the current ones are not the same. The old PK were not bound by anything and they can go rampage at will unlike the PK nowadays. Tomiko also said this, only the group 1 is not being controlled which means everyone else is being controlled. What does that even mean? In the old episodes you can see Satoru went killing spree on queerats. Does that apply to every single PK right now? I doubt it Actually i think that wouldn't be a problem, death feedback only prevents them from hurting other humans. Cantus can be used to kill rats without any negative consequence. But it is true that humans simply aren't used to killing other creatures and fighting (not everyone would be as calm as Satoru in such a situation). Also about group 1 not being controlled (as much as the others), it probably only applied to their behavioural conditioning (they were allowed to go wherever they wanted during summer camp) and not to the limitations of their Cantus. Death feedback is something that is passed on genetically (i think). |
Roboris said: Cantus can be used to do anything, that is fact.Siva said: You must remember that the PK of old age and the current ones are not the same. The old PK were not bound by anything and they can go rampage at will unlike the PK nowadays. Tomiko also said this, only the group 1 is not being controlled which means everyone else is being controlled. What does that even mean? In the old episodes you can see Satoru went killing spree on queerats. Does that apply to every single PK right now? I doubt it Actually i think that wouldn't be a problem, death feedback only prevents them from hurting other humans. Cantus can be used to kill rats without any negative consequence. But it is true that humans simply aren't used to killing other creatures and fighting (not everyone would be as calm as Satoru in such a situation). Also about group 1 not being controlled (as much as the others), it probably only applied to their behavioural conditioning (they were allowed to go wherever they wanted during summer camp) and not to the limitations of their Cantus. Death feedback is something that is passed on genetically (i think). Death Feedback, if I understand correctly every PK in this society has it or born with it. Here is the point, everyone has Cantus but not everyone of them CAN use them to do violent act because they were bound by the powerful mental restraints on violence, as Tomiko stated. The same way why do you think parents letting their kids getting purged out without fighting back? Why none of them has gone crazy and start a war like a parents would do to protect their kids? It is simple because they can't even start the act of violence. |
"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| Those rats are creepy as fuck. And Saki's theory of the rats trying to take over human civilization Im just not seeing that being possible at all. A Another great episode im so glad I never dropped this because I love the ED so damn much. |
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Siva said: Death Feedback, if I understand correctly every PK in this society has it or born with it. Here is the point, everyone has Cantus but not everyone of them CAN use them to do violent act because they were bound by the powerful mental restraints on violence, as Tomiko stated. Still think the restraints only work as a way to prevent humans from hurting other humans (not rats). But i may be wrong obviously, we'll probably see soon. |
| Well it`s my first post on this forum so please excuse me if I say somethign that was already said... But after watching through all 15 episodes of this anime yesterday I ahve to say I found a reallly interessting piede here.....well back to the topic...I think the more the rats try to become like humans(weapon,armor civilisation), the harder it would get for the current human population to actually use their pk to kill them,remeber the monk who got a death-toll reaction to just killing some barbaric rats. And if they inherit even more technology and intelligence most of the "normal" PK userers would be influenced by that. And I also think Sqeauler knows of that fact,too...because if they really found the false libarays,getting this piece of information would be as easy as stealing the lollipop of a baby^^. But Sqaueler also knows not to be too rash,as you see in his constant begging and praising of the "gods", also remember how he abandonded Satouo and Saki...he is one cunning little bastard. But well All I said was theory...and I`m really looking forward to the next episodes...just a little bit left for this series to hop into my top 5:) |
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| Something about that Squealer..... gets on my nerves.... |
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| I remember in one episode they said that all the new creatures that suddenly appeared in the world were the result of the unconscious projection of the human psionic powers most likely alluding to the Queerats. Given that that the Queerats represent us in every way except their physical anatomy, it makes you think that humans were the ones who created them. Also considering the instability of the humans' mind power who are unable to control their power and their tendency for self destruction literally without some form of strict control and complete brainwashing in small pockets of isolated societies. The Queerats who are advancing in such a fast pace armed with the entirety of the previous knowledge of human existence, it doesn't seem like taking over is such a far off possibility. For example, what would happen if they learned of the death feedback from the false minoshiro? |
| Seems to me what Satoru suspect about the "queerats wanting to replace humans"could be possible but I'll just keep this opinion in mind !! |
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rishardew said: You might have to read between the line. Tomiko said "They were being controlled" which mean there are people controlling and prevent them from doing violent act. On the other hand, this controlling is not perfect it is the same way they can't turn a fiend or Karma demon back to normal person. Thats why acting violent is equal getting purged the same thing turning into a fiend or karma demon. In episodes 2 there was a kid who broke a rule during the match and ended up getting purged. All he did was braking a rule(an act of violent) and He did not hurt any human yet he still got purge out. Everyone(low rank PK) is being controlled not to do violent thing and if they can't control you to do so then you are dead, it is as simple as that.Roboris said: I go with you. Back in episode 5, Rijin (the monk) also killed a bunch of queerats without feeling the effects of death feedback or the restraints.Still think the restraints only work as a way to prevent humans from hurting other humans (not rats). But i may be wrong obviously, we'll probably see soon. As for Rijin, he is like a higher rank PK(Police?) and most likely the group of people who enforce the rules. |
"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| Oh my my! Squealer's become such an awesome character! He looks so bad, cold and heartless. |
thesnnitro said: This episode was pretty good, demonstrated (or at least gave hints) what someone who is repressed would do if given the knowledge to fight back. Looks like things are taking a turn for the worse. They looks so cool! :) Can't wait, can't wait! |
Kurini said: thesnnitro said: This episode was pretty good, demonstrated (or at least gave hints) what someone who is repressed would do if given the knowledge to fight back. Looks like things are taking a turn for the worse. They looks so cool! :) Can't wait, can't wait! They look more detailed, hopefully the animation will see an improvement too. |
| Those rats seem far too bloodthirsty for comfort. Yakomaru as he is now known seemed especially so. Now that the entrance to their home has basically been destroyed, I doubt those mountain rats would last long. And then there will be one fewer independent tribe remaining. And "independent" seems to very much resemble "loyal"... |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| Squealer was just using them as a reason to attack other colonies, really. They haven't found them yet, but I wonder what is written in that letter. |
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| Such a deep episode on so many levels. Really enjoying the show! With the episodes advancing , I'm starting to understand the "From the New World" title in the sense of the exploration of the new world in order to find a better place to prosper in. Hopefully they'll be able to leave the society that only caused them trouble and pain :/ |
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Roboris said: Kurini said: thesnnitro said: This episode was pretty good, demonstrated (or at least gave hints) what someone who is repressed would do if given the knowledge to fight back. Looks like things are taking a turn for the worse. They looks so cool! :) Can't wait, can't wait! They look more detailed, hopefully the animation will see an improvement too. Now I'm really looking forward to the future episodes :D |
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Onyxthegreat said: Squealer was just using them as a reason to attack other colonies, really. They haven't found them yet, but I wonder what is written in that letter. It was read out in the preview? |
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| it was nice |
| *Sigh* Squealer manipulated them in the past too, they should have been more wary of him this time. Although I don't blame him for doing that to the Queen. It's animal instinct to prioritize its own life when it's threatened. This show is becoming more and more interesting. |
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| Another incredible episode. It's being very challenging again. By all rights, we should be completely in support of the queerats. It seems pretty clear to me that they're what remains of normal humanity, people like us who don't get to become "the 1%", having to bow and scrape before a minority just because they happen to have power. People who overthrow a tyrant and choose democracy. But it's difficult to empathise with them. Their path cannot be clean, they need to do something to their queen, and when societies are in difficult situations, militaristic leaders rise to the top as an inevitability. They don't have cantus, they need scary things like armies which you don't see in "human" society. And they're not the people we're following, they're people with unclear motives. And of course they don't look human, and they're not described as human. They're scary. Can you grasp the magnitude of situations where you may be privileged? Or do those who don't share your luck seem inferior? This show does not give you easy, comfortable morality. It makes us care so much about the protagonists, and quite rightly too, what a situation to be in. But it doesn't make this anything which could become comfortable and self-absorbed. They can be good people, and still, not living up to the ethical aspirations we'd assume. Simultaneously fully exercising the brain and fully exercising the heart, in ways which create something greater than the sum of those two parts. This show really could be a 10. |
| This was fascinating, the alliance is big and their city looks pretty cool. Interesting stuff about queerats vs humans, although I haven't seen enough clues to confirm or deny it. The preview gave a lot of stuff away, but at least they will meet in the next episode. |
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| Saki posed an interesting question - what if queerats lobotomize a human and use him/her to attack other humans? The humans would not be able to defend. Anyway, 5/5 yet again for this truly macabre episode. |
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| Them Queerats are kinda freaky.. Especially Squeeler.. Seems that they are trying to live like humans, if not try to take over humans. Loved the Satoru and Saki moments^^ They left a note! O: |
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| Another amazing episode. Loving the sexual tension between Saki and Satoru, although I think Saki x Maria is way more pleasing. Ah, Squealer is such an opportunist. I can't stand him ._. Anyway, I love this scene: |
| Nice to see them again, interesting development on their part, lets see what's next! |
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| Interesting to see more of the Bakenezumi or rather their society/way of life. They almost seem human. Squealer / Yakomaru seems even shiftier than the last time around. He seems to exhibit more and more similarities to the humans in this world -> cruelty to ensure the survival of the race, the survival of the race/society is put above all else. It is annoying that Saki and Satoru follow along with Squealers obvious schemes to subjugate that other Bakenezumi colony. I mean come on, at night he cites the dangerous conditions to avoid going to the colony. In addition he says that it would be like a raid / an invasion. The next morning he trots out his army, dons full battle gear and basically attacks them... then he tries (and is somewhat successfull) to manipulate Saki and Satoru into attacking the colony. Simply annoying how opportunistic he is and how Saki and Satoru allow him to be. |
| "Truth is always a delusion." - Friedrich Dürrenmatt |
| Squealer up to no good! Would be an extremely stupid move to rebel against the humans. |
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| The way they resemble humans more and more is quite scary (just like Athens back in the past, overthrowing tyranny and achieve democracy). I'm expecting a full-scale war, would be interesting. Though I don't think they will stand a chance against Cantus. Squealer is also becoming more like the queerats from the evil colony from the first episodes. He might be gathering rats to go against the humans. Saki and Satoru shouldn't have let themselves be manipulated. |
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KaiserNazrin said: I for one doesn't think its wrong of what Squealar did against the queen. I mean the queen is mental and won't hesitate at all to kill. Just because the queen is their mother doesn't mean it can do as it please. The only use for the queen is for breeding. Yeas but the fact is we have no idea how honest he is. He certainly seems to be using our main characters. Also those books he mentioned are worrisome. They seem to have gathered some knowledge data from somewhere. But the worst is his hint on how all intellectual being should be equals. That was definitely a hint towards humans who play the superior. This shows that he has no intention on having humans as superiors and seeing his aggressive attitude towards opposing colonies you understand how aggressive he may be when he decides he wants to be equal to humans. Zhou said: Squealer is obviously using them, very interesting to hear that the rats are the most intelligent life forms right behind the humans. Actually they are more intelligent considering most humans are druged brainwashed zombies. |
| Saki is quite an insufferable lead. |
| While Squealer was up to something, I can tell where the story writer got his inspiration for this episode/volume. Noting what Squealer said about democracy, it's obvious that he was referring to the "ancient civilization" or in this case, our present day, or at least 70 years ago. When Japan began modernizing itself in terms of government, or rather being obedient to the Allied forces when they granted Japan sovereignty if the Emperor was stripped of his powers and democracy was implanted in his place. Much like the Queen of that colony being stripped of her powers and being nothing more but a latent "figurehead" to provide the backbone of the colony, but can no longer mandate what the citizens do. This anime is one of the best I've seen thus far, you can really think about a lot of different things and connect them to our own world's history. |
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Venom900 said: While Squealer was up to something, I can tell where the story writer got his inspiration for this episode/volume. Noting what Squealer said about democracy, it's obvious that he was referring to the "ancient civilization" or in this case, our present day, or at least 70 years ago. When Japan began modernizing itself in terms of government, or rather being obedient to the Allied forces when they granted Japan sovereignty if the Emperor was stripped of his powers and democracy was implanted in his place. Much like the Queen of that colony being stripped of her powers and being nothing more but a latent "figurehead" to provide the backbone of the colony, but can no longer mandate what the citizens do. This anime is one of the best I've seen thus far, you can really think about a lot of different things and connect them to our own world's history. Many of us have noted (at least, on Animesuki) that there are lots of parallels with wartime Japan, like the metaphor that the cantus users are walking nuclear bombs, the burnt villages and post atomic bomb-like imagery, and a loosely tied Allied invaders vs native Japanese conflict, etc. I've posted elsewhere about the Queen-Emperor connection, but you're probably right that this is the intended reference (plus, I get a confirmation that somebody else thinks this too!). |
Luxorcist said: Many of us have noted (at least, on Animesuki) that there are lots of parallels with wartime Japan, like the metaphor that the cantus users are walking nuclear bombs, the burnt villages and post atomic bomb-like imagery, and a loosely tied Allied invaders vs native Japanese conflict, etc. I've posted elsewhere about the Queen-Emperor connection, but you're probably right that this is the intended reference (plus, I get a confirmation that somebody else thinks this too!). Yeah, after watching up to episode 17 so far I can see a lot of WWII plot references. I really like this anime a lot, to me it's almost like a blend of the books "The Giver" and "Animal Farm". |
| "To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" |
Venom900 said: Luxorcist said: Many of us have noted (at least, on Animesuki) that there are lots of parallels with wartime Japan, like the metaphor that the cantus users are walking nuclear bombs, the burnt villages and post atomic bomb-like imagery, and a loosely tied Allied invaders vs native Japanese conflict, etc. I've posted elsewhere about the Queen-Emperor connection, but you're probably right that this is the intended reference (plus, I get a confirmation that somebody else thinks this too!). Yeah, after watching up to episode 17 so far I can see a lot of WWII plot references. I really like this anime a lot, to me it's almost like a blend of the books "The Giver" and "Animal Farm". After you finish the series, you'll see that Hitler isn't the best parallel for Squealor. A much better connection would be to the Alllies, if you absolutely want it WWII-related, or the Black Panther Party, etc. |
Luxorcist said: After you finish the series, you'll see that Hitler isn't the best parallel for Squealor. A much better connection would be to the Alllies, if you absolutely want it WWII-related, or the Black Panther Party, etc. It's tough to say, what Squealer is doing is more like being a revolutionist therefore I think in terms of WW2, it's a mix of different things, rather than my previously stated opinion. I'm only 5 episodes from completion, so maybe I'll see your point thereafter. |
| "To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" |
| Fckng Squealer. Heh |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| Looks like Squealer is becoming a big boss. I wonder where did they get all this knowledge ? |
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| lobotomy? seriously? o.ò |
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