Otaking87 said: Negative-Travis said: Otaking87 said: I say what's harder to write, Eva or Family Guy? Family Guy. It's hard to come up with new material every week for 13 years. This is also about the 10th thread bitching about American animation since I got here. Why don't people use the search function that they all so desperately wanted? Doraemon vs family guy and plus i mean whats beeter of overall Narrative of EVa Utena Lain or say US Cartoons like the Simpsons or Family guy Maybe you should compare The Simpsons or Family Guy to their equivalents in anime, that is, episodic comedies. |
| American Comedy Cartoons > Anime Comedy All other forms of American Cartoons < All other forms of Anime American cartoons are fantastic at what they do, and that is comedy. Too bad there aren't any other genres of American Cartoons besides comedy and young children. Oh well, that is what anime is for. |
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KingYoshi said: American Comedy Cartoons > Anime Comedy All other forms of American Cartoons < All other forms of Anime American cartoons are fantastic at what they do, and that is comedy. Too bad there aren't any other genres of American Cartoons besides comedy and young children. Oh well, that is what anime is for. This, American Comedy Cartoons I find are much better than most anime comedy. Though for your second point I mostly agree but there are some exceptions in my opinion. For example I definitely find Avatar the Last Airbender to be much better than most animes or Teen Titans where they captured many of the characters internal struggles and their development (especially Robin's struggles with Slade) than what I've seen in anime. |
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| Other than a few shows, I've never really liked American cartoons.... I've always felt like they were....lacking.....somehow. I guess this is because I was a heavy reader as a child and expected a consistent plot in my story, which a lot of cartoons are lacking. This being said, I don't think American cartoons are overrated. For many Americans, especially children, it's all they've ever known, and it's what they grow up with. We tend to hold things we grow up with dear, so it makes sense why people would cherish cartoons. I may not necessarily share their feelings, but it doesn't mean I can't understand how they feel. |
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MysticJhn said: Which is why I suggested we need a new pure cartoon channel. One that actually doesn't fill half it's schedule with live-action teen garbage. I actually enjoy the concept that airing live-action on the channel is inconcievable. It irritates the hell out of me when cartoon network does that shit.The name cartoon network implies that the channel is supposed to play cartoons/anime and anything related to a cartoons/anime. A cartoon channel showing live action shows that having nothing to do with cartoons/anime is just as bad as Sci-Fi channel airing fake wrestling and douche bags pretending there are ghosts or History Channel having shows about rednecks in the swamp hunting or Lumber jacks chopping down trees, conspiracy/aliens/bigfoot nonsense, The Learning Channel showing every retarded reality under the sun or MTV playing 95% of shows that have absolutely nothing to do with music. I seriously think these networks should be sued for violating truth in advertising laws.No one buys a beer and they get a Pepsi instead of beer, no one buys a steak and they get chicken instead of steak, and no one buys a porn and they 95% kiddie cartoons only get 5% porn. I could see cartoon network doing live action shows if it was voice actor interviews and other cartoon related shows. If its a show that parodies cartoons I that is acceptable like Robot Chicken because it is cartoon related.If its a show or movie that has a combination of live action and cartoons like Pete's Dragon, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Aquabats! Super Show! or Cool World would be acceptable because its cartoon related. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Never heard a single person say that American cartoons are better than anime. I also haven't ever seen one but I know they exist...crazy people. |
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jal90 said: Don't bother, he doesn't get it.Otaking87 said: Negative-Travis said: Otaking87 said: I say what's harder to write, Eva or Family Guy? Family Guy. It's hard to come up with new material every week for 13 years. This is also about the 10th thread bitching about American animation since I got here. Why don't people use the search function that they all so desperately wanted? Doraemon vs family guy and plus i mean whats beeter of overall Narrative of EVa Utena Lain or say US Cartoons like the Simpsons or Family guy Maybe you should compare The Simpsons or Family Guy to their equivalents in anime, that is, episodic comedies. |
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Num1dad_Asura said: Well of course cartoons in your regular country's language and culture would be better than another country's language and culture. Jokes are funnier when you can understand them not read them, part of comedy is in how they say jokes.KingYoshi said: American Comedy Cartoons > Anime Comedy All other forms of American Cartoons < All other forms of Anime American cartoons are fantastic at what they do, and that is comedy. Too bad there aren't any other genres of American Cartoons besides comedy and young children. Oh well, that is what anime is for. This, American Comedy Cartoons I find are much better than most anime comedy. Though for your second point I mostly agree but there are some exceptions in my opinion. For example I definitely find Avatar the Last Airbender to be much better than most animes or Teen Titans where they captured many of the characters internal struggles and their development (especially Robin's struggles with Slade) than what I've seen in anime. I completely disagree, I find at least half of the anime I've watched is better than Avatar. Teen titans probably worse than 75%. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Num1dad_Asura said: Well of course cartoons in your regular country's language and culture would be better than another country's language and culture. Jokes are funnier when you can understand them not read them, part of comedy is in how they say jokes.KingYoshi said: American Comedy Cartoons > Anime Comedy All other forms of American Cartoons < All other forms of Anime American cartoons are fantastic at what they do, and that is comedy. Too bad there aren't any other genres of American Cartoons besides comedy and young children. Oh well, that is what anime is for. This, American Comedy Cartoons I find are much better than most anime comedy. Though for your second point I mostly agree but there are some exceptions in my opinion. For example I definitely find Avatar the Last Airbender to be much better than most animes or Teen Titans where they captured many of the characters internal struggles and their development (especially Robin's struggles with Slade) than what I've seen in anime. I completely disagree, I find at least half of the anime I've watched is better than Avatar. Teen titans probably worse than 75%. I am familiar with the cultures of both America and Japan (lived in both countries) and can speak both English and Japanese so it's not a problem of understanding the jokes. I just find that American style of comedy to be much better than the Japanese style but that's just me. For your second point, that is your opinion and I completely respect it. I am a fan of action genre and found Avatar delivers action scenes much better than anything I have seen in anime and has an amazing plot to boost but again that's just me. |
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Num1dad_Asura said: For your second point, that is your opinion and I completely respect it. I am a fan of action genre and found Avatar delivers action scenes much better than anything I have seen in anime and has an amazing plot to boost but again that's just me. The fights on Avatar are really cool but after a while become boring, always the same thing. |
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| America created AVATAR: the last airbender, Disney, The Simpsons, Looney Toons, South Park, Futurama, Batman The Animated Series, Venture Bros and many others. So no, American animation is not overrated. Is it better than anime? Dont know about that, but it's certainly as good in most cases, |
| Most of them are for kids and their weakness is the plot. Anime is made for any age, just like the movies. The variety of genres is important. |
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| An entire industry overrated? Hell no. American cartoons just have a different set of goals, demographics, and ways of doing things and some people aren't smart enough to see that American cartoons =/= anime. |
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| I cannot think of a single anime made with kids in mind. Personally, I don't think they're overated, I just think it's a general hatred of Japanese culture. And really, the Anime equivalent of Famiky Guy is probably Shin-Chan. But Shin-Chan is much heavier. Me being the only anime fan in my school, it gets awkward when I pull out a manga in my free time and start reading it, because everyone is looking at me because they don't like manga/anime. Hell, even my teacher gives me looks like "What the hell is that?" But they're not overated, and there are many differences. Differences 1. Anime does not have a MASSIVELY different collection of art styles (with exceptions such as Panty & Stocking, Shin-Chan, etc.) 2. US Cartoons usually do not have a deep, engrossing plot due to them being targeted towards kids. 3. Less anime is targeted towards kids. 4. Anime must usually be watched in order if you want the plot to actually make sense to you. Goes hand-in-hand with #2. 5. Anime does not usually have a lot of episodes, partially due to it usually being based on manga, though there are exceptions (Dragon Ball Z had quite a lot of episodes, along with Detective Conan) 6. Anime has a hell of a lot more sex appeal. 7. Anime has more relatable characters, along with more attractive characters. And there are pros of anime and US cartoons. 1. Anime has much more detailed and well drawn visuals. 2. Anime is quite limited in terms of facial animation (only a few mouth shapes and a bit of reused frames.) 3. US cartoons tend to be more whimsical and humorous in nature. 4. Most Anime can be funny without having to insert an innuendo or a shit joke in the script. 5. There are more plotless US cartoons then there are anime cartoons (some exceptions being Shin-Chan, Luckystar, and a bit of Excel Saga) But other than that, I personally like anime a lot more. Although, there are exceptioneers to anime stuff as there are exceptioneers to US cartoon stuff. (exceptioneers are those who will bash a certain thing, but make an exception and not care if it's somehing else) For example, people are more likely to call you a weirdo if you say you jerk off to a woman or girl from a western animation then if you jerk off to some cute girl from an anime. It's a weird thing that probably won't change anytime soon. |
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| not overrated in what they try to deliver, generally a narrow audience but shows like futarama do help appeal to a older audience i would agree that almost none offer anything besides entertainment for kids on cartoon netwrok and nick or satircal comedy for olds unlike anime that can be about basically any genre |
| American cartoons are not as diverse as anime but if you people are going to keep on saying cartoons are for kids then you might want to realize that outside of the early morning shit, that cartoons are more or less all-aged(it doesn't have to be super serious for real adults to enjoy animated works) or primetime/movies and teens/adults for the late night shows. |
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TalosHedgie said: I cannot think of a single anime made with kids in mind. . Oh boy |
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TalosHedgie said: I cannot think of a single anime made with kids in mind. Did you somehow miss the past decade and a half of Pokemon? |
MysticJhn said: Or the list of 441 kids anime that this site has.TalosHedgie said: I cannot think of a single anime made with kids in mind. Did you somehow miss the past decade and a half of Pokemon? |
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live2win said: I often wonder if there's a term similar to weaboo for fascination on everything that's America. Beawoo? I think they are vastly overrated. I don't hate them or anything, but there just simply isn't that much variety. Maybe it is because they only cater to some very clear cut audiences that it happens. For every Avatar: The Last Airbender you have dozens of worthy anime. I stll prefer Futurama to pretty much every anime comedy, though. |
TalosHedgie said: I cannot think of a single anime made with kids in mind. Dear god, this is gotta be the dumbest thing anyone has said on this forum. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| Overrated? Im sorry but no if anything they are overlooked and basically shitted on by anime fans. |
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Armiga21 said: People overrate US toons? ... People like US toons? I picked no. Not because I like them, but because they're not really a hobby like anime is... so they can't really be 'overrated' if it has no large fanbase to overrate it. Let's stop with the bullshit. Have numbers stopped having all meaning? If Western animation doesn't have large fan-bases for series and as a medium then anime(in and out of Japan) doesn't either. |
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Anime_Name said: Armiga21 said: People overrate US toons? ... People like US toons? I picked no. Not because I like them, but because they're not really a hobby like anime is... so they can't really be 'overrated' if it has no large fanbase to overrate it. Let's stop with the bullshit. Have numbers stopped having all meaning? If Western animation doesn't have large fan-bases for series and as a medium then anime(in and out of Japan) doesn't either. Don't even bother entertaining him, Armiga21 is the embarrassing kind of weaboo that makes us all look bad. Just ignore him so he goes back to Gaia or DeviantArt, what ever god forsaken rock misguided 15 year olds on the internet crawl out from underneath. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| The one's from back when CN was awesome, yes. There's not much to overrate now, sadly. |
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| It's more like the opposite, people underrate american cartoons like hell. |
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| Depends on cartoons time period, now people are like he ate a banana, and.....said yolo, and it is considered a great cartoon. I like some cartoons just for fun, but for story, no, I need an anime, for a story. |
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TalosHedgie said: Anime does not have a MASSIVELY different collection of art styles (with exceptions such as Panty & Stocking, Shin-Chan, etc.) How come? each artist has his/her own unique drawing style. I just don't see how it can't be "massive" considering there's plenty of mangakas out there. |
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MaedhrostheTall said: Too lazy to scroll through this entire thread. My only question is, why can't American cartoons have as much depth as LoGH, Monster, and Ghost in the Shell? he wisdom of Master Keaton the rebellious spirit of Horus: Prince of the Sun? The elegance of Akage No Anne, Only Yesterday, and Grave of the Fireflies? Why can't I imagine Heidi: Girl of the Alps or 3000 Leagues in Search of Mother on TV here in America? I don't know why but I can't and it's extremely upsetting. I don't feel like the audience would be receptive of them I guess.. but why are things that way? Yes we're making some progress. I thought that the first season of Avatar was pretty dang good until the last couple episodes. MLP, Gravity Falls.. they're creative and funny and thats great but I still feel like we're keeping animation in a kiddie box. It isn't a babysitter. It's a legitimate artistic medium that deserves respect and study. Because American cartoons were always geared towards the younger crowd. To most Americans, cartoons are a child's show. They don't have the depth and such as Japanese anime because Japanese anime was meant for adults or more mature folks, not children, though there are anime out there for children. |
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LastWar said: As an American, I don't believe you can compare the two. I'm speaking of the new millennium's media. Storytelling is one aspect to consider. Cartoons are highly episodic (however it's spelled), while anime generally focuses on arcs or a central theme. I do think there are some good cartoons though: Boondocks, Futurama, Adventure Time, American Dad, Venture Brothers (maybe?) etc. As a culture we demand consistent episodes, so we will draw a show out for years instead of just making a single high quality season. Animation is completely different as well, but that's obvious. Some cartoons, if anyone knows of Super Jail or Squid billies, are just morbid. Additionally, there are not any cartoons aimed at adults... You can't compare the two at all. They're completely different in too many aspects. You might as well waste a few hours comparing Halo (being a Japanese game), and Call of Duty (being an American game). Edit: Disney doesn't do any cartoons anymore. It's all live action romanticized teenage life. Companies just go where the money is. Yes, you can compare animation. Saying that you can't compare anime with cartoons because they're too different is just absurd. I mean, their differences are the reason for the comparisons. Where something is made has absolutely nothing to do with whether it can be compared to something else. And are you seriously telling me that the sex, drugs, and violence in anime is aimed towards the younger demographic? No. It's for mature audiences, such as adults. Same goes for cartoons such as Family Guy and Squidbillies. You can;t honestly tell me that they're meant for children. |
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sicknastykakashi said: They are not meant for children but they are comedies, comedies usually have a different artstyle. I don't think much Americans desire a serious cartoon, we can just watch anime.LastWar said: As an American, I don't believe you can compare the two. I'm speaking of the new millennium's media. Storytelling is one aspect to consider. Cartoons are highly episodic (however it's spelled), while anime generally focuses on arcs or a central theme. I do think there are some good cartoons though: Boondocks, Futurama, Adventure Time, American Dad, Venture Brothers (maybe?) etc. As a culture we demand consistent episodes, so we will draw a show out for years instead of just making a single high quality season. Animation is completely different as well, but that's obvious. Some cartoons, if anyone knows of Super Jail or Squid billies, are just morbid. Additionally, there are not any cartoons aimed at adults... You can't compare the two at all. They're completely different in too many aspects. You might as well waste a few hours comparing Halo (being a Japanese game), and Call of Duty (being an American game). Edit: Disney doesn't do any cartoons anymore. It's all live action romanticized teenage life. Companies just go where the money is. Yes, you can compare animation. Saying that you can't compare anime with cartoons because they're too different is just absurd. I mean, their differences are the reason for the comparisons. Where something is made has absolutely nothing to do with whether it can be compared to something else. And are you seriously telling me that the sex, drugs, and violence in anime is aimed towards the younger demographic? No. It's for mature audiences, such as adults. Same goes for cartoons such as Family Guy and Squidbillies. You can;t honestly tell me that they're meant for children. |
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| We've gone into comparing anime and cartoons when the entire point was whether American cartoons were overrated or not. XD Not sure how they can be overrated though. They're there to entertain the masses and that's what they do. They aren't overrated, they're just really popular and for good reason. |
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The older I get, the more I realize this chart reigns true. America just simply refuses to take animation seriously and has yet to make a show that passes this chart's examples. |
Kirikizan said: The older I get, the more I realize this chart reigns true. America just simply refuses to take animation seriously and has yet to make a show that passes this chart's examples. Armiga21 said: Can you elaborate on that? I dont find it bullshit. The biggest convention in the world is dedicated towards anime and manga. Comiket, which is held twice a year in Japan, can get up to 600,000 or so unique visitors in Japan per convention. Considering Japan has only 1/3rd the popular of the US, and no US conventions get that high, that's pretty impressive. Stuff like doujinshi are an actual thing in Japan. You can make your career off it. Amateur hentai artists have reached the point of being able to make $300,000 per doujin they make. Anime as a whole is an entire industry and culture. Meanwhile, there's no conventions for American cartoons here in America. Hell, even in the United States there's conventions for anime So I ask again, who treats cartoons as a hobby like anime fans do? No one. Overall it's just viewed as a baby sitter for kids, and the occasional crude adult humor show like South Park or Family Guy. Sure, you got some people who like a certain show or something, but there's no way you can compare that to anime. Especially when America only makes a few shows a year, compared to Japan's hundreds. That's why I cannot call cartoons overrated, because they're not being rated to any real degree to begin with. It would be like asking if underwater lampshade carving is an overrated sport compared to football. It's not a sport to begin with so the question seems invalid. Samefag |
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Kirikizan said: The older I get, the more I realize this chart reigns true. America just simply refuses to take animation seriously and has yet to make a show that passes this chart's examples. to boot in there super hero cartoon its hardly ever cannon to the sorce yes i have read some us Comics |
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| That chart is pretty pessumptious and opinionated. xD |
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