Monad said: marriage said: at least half of the characters in the shows you listed are also used as fanservice. tsunderes/cliche psychotic characters dont count as good female characters. and every character in elfen lied was trash. anime does not have as many MAIN female characters for action type series as there are male characters so yes theyre 'rare' Considering the number of shows i put up there(and take notice this is shows i saw and just by memory not every show out there) even if half of them are what you consider appropriate then is still plenty enough. BUT i still find you full of shit because first you completed 106 anime. So how many of those shows to you even know? I doubt you know much of those so how can you claim half of them are what you claim they are? Actually not many are what you say which shows how little you know. Last i don't get why a sexy female isn't allowed etc. Well she's badass but she wears a sexy outfit or she behaves in a certain way so NO? That makes no sense. Ether she's badass or she isn't? Her nature in terms of being shy or not, or liking being sexually provocative isn't exactly relevant here. I do not care if you don't want to count sexy females or females with certain character because you have a thing about approving certain views on how a woman should behave or you are just jealous of their ass or hate the idea that guys like their sexual nature. We are not discussing on whether certain female characters pass you feminist filter of approval. We talk about whether brave and badass females are rare in anime. I dont watch anything that I know I wont like. Completing 100 anime is plenty enough to figure out your taste. Im pretty sure I can tell what Strike Witches will be like without having to watch it. FICTIONAL CHARACTERS dont have free will. They dont "choose" to dress sexy. Im not going to take a female character seriously when I know that the character was designed to sell figmas and nude body pillows and obviously panders to a male audience. You sound ridiculous but I laughed at your response because you automatically try to insult me by calling me a feminist because Im not in this thread jacking off to Kill la Kill fanart with you and pretending Lucy from Elfen lied is an amazing character. And lol, did you just say Im jealous of cartoon characters? |
Mountainstream said: Because very often the girl is brave, but not as brave as the guy and strong, but not as strong or important as the guy. Which is not what happens in the shows i posted. If i can think of so many shows from my list that are not like that then imagine how many there are. So doesn't that show that what you say is not some huge phenomenon in anime and you are just taking notice when an anime has main male characters that do the most of the shit but you turn a blind eye to the opposite? Besides lets not forget what happens in reality. In terms of strength and fighting etc women capabilities and achievements are a lot less than any anime ever gave them and yet you demand from anime to show things completely opposite of the reality of the world you live in. |
Monad said: marriage said: The killua/hisoka 'fanservice' scenes were laughable IMO. I dont think they were meant to be very serious in the anime. I cant think of any other anime that Ive seen with male MC's that were also used as fanservice apart from obvious fujoshi baiting Free!. my idea of strong/brave female characters are like, Celty from DRRR, Kino from Kino's Journey, or Re-L from Ergo Proxy. It doesnt have anything to do with physical strength for me. No sexual exploitation whatsoever, they werent sidekick girlfriend characters, and were as important as any male characters. Even Mikasa from SNK counts. I dont mean that character tropes are bad, but Yuno from Mirai Nikki & Lucy from Elfen Lied are just embarrassing 100% fanservice characters with no depth whatsoever, yet are considered strong female characters by some people Considering Celty does show some skin on few occasions and female tsundereness then basically you just exclude characters that are a little bananas? I kind of get where you are going with naming those two but seriously then why are you saying that about the shows i gave. Very few have such characters. And Btw what about a character like Saeko for Highschool of the Dead or Rias from Highschool DxD. Yes their shows are fanservice style and they offer fanservice but they aren't like Yuno or Lucy.   Im not going to watch anything where the male MC is normal and the females look like this. Lol. These are definitely the worst ones on your list. How do you even watch this? Serious question |
marriage said: FICTIONAL CHARACTERS dont have free will. This basically means that no matter how much personality they are given, they will always be considered objects under the purpose of the author, and therefore the discussion on the amount of fanservice that each of them represent is pointless, because they are all a form of fan or audience service and only exist for that. Unless you understand that characters can have free will inside their fictional context and portrayal. |
marriage said: Monad said: Considering Celty does show some skin on few occasions and female tsundereness then basically you just exclude characters that are a little bananas? I kind of get where you are going with naming those two but seriously then why are you saying that about the shows i gave. Very few have such characters. And Btw what about a character like Saeko for Highschool of the Dead or Rias from Highschool DxD. Yes their shows are fanservice style and they offer fanservice but they aren't like Yuno or Lucy. Im not going to watch anything where the male MC is normal and the females look like this. Lol. These are definitely the worst ones on your list. How do you even watch this? Serious question The male is hardly normal but anyway. How i can watch them? I guess with the same way female watchers watch bishounens flipping their hair and taking off their shirts. I mean i already said those are fanservice shows. Obviously you watch them for some action or comedy or whatever combined with fanservice. Simple entertainment and eye candy really. Obviously they aren't meant for female watchers so is natural that you wouldn't understand. You seem to be quite the little puritan. |
jal90 said: marriage said: FICTIONAL CHARACTERS dont have free will. This basically means that no matter how much personality they are given, they will always be considered objects under the purpose of the author, and therefore the discussion on the amount of fanservice that each of them represent is pointless, because they are all a form of fan or audience service and only exist for that. Unless you understand that characters can have free will inside their fictional context and portrayal. I agree. If you can't accept the characters as characters and you just see them like silly lifeless drawings then what is the point of watching anything? |
MonadMar 26, 2015 4:52 PM
Mountainstream said: Monad said: Which is not what happens in the shows i posted. If i can think of so many shows from my list that are not like that then imagine how many there are. So doesn't that show that what you say is not some huge phenomenon in anime and you are just taking notice when an anime has main male characters that do the most of the shit but you turn a blind eye to the opposite? Besides lets not forget what happens in reality. In terms of strength and fighting etc women capabilities and achievements are a lot less than any anime ever gave them and yet you demand from anime to show things completely opposite of the reality of the world you live in. So, what is it? Are there lots of women main characters that are stronger and braver than guys? Or are there a few here and there and because of that we shouldn't complain because that is 'how things are in real life'? In real life there are no mecha. In real life there is no magic, we don't interact with shinigami, we haven't colonized other planets, bland guys don't have ten girls all falling for them and girls don't get sucked into the past to marry an emperor and rule a kingdom. These are all things that don't happen in real life, yet people demand and watch these kind of anime. With that last sentence you've shown that you don't really want strong female characters, or at least not too many of them and nowhere near as many as there are male strong characters. What you want is people to shut up about it, even when there are still a lot more strong and brave male characters than there are female. I'm glad that there are lots of anime guys like to watch: fanservice, harem, tough warriors saving the world: enjoy it if you like. It's too bad that you don't like the idea of us wanting something similar. What is it? I think i already said it. There are lots of them obviously in anime, a thousands times less in reality which means complaining seems even sillier since the medium gives you more credit than ever. And the idea that i do not want to see badass female characters is just your preconception. Considering i dislike them i am quite the masochist for having many of them as favorites characters and being a member for a few years of the female badass club. Or to you think that was some big conspiracy from me because i was anticipating creating this thread? Yes i want you to shut up about it not because i don't want such characters but because you are lying and are stuck in some preconceptions about gender treatment that don't exist. |
MonadMar 26, 2015 4:51 PM
tsudecimo said: Sexual fanservice is usually not serious. There is a scene with Killua having abs, and that was as much sexualization as a boob shot. There is KnB, Haikyuu of the top of my head. The thing is, fanservice directed at females is not the same in implementation as fanservice directed at males. Well, celty have sexualization a couple of times, she is also part tsundere and gets flustered like one, she is also very obsessive of Shrina in the second season. Why does being sexualized take away from them being strong or brave? they are not mutually exclusive, especially if it's treated in a serious manner. That doesn't make sense. Yuno was moving the plot forward most of the time, remove her from the story, and it would have changed drastically. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and I assume you are just exaggerating, but Yuno factually can't be a 100%, she has intrinsic purpose and role in the plot, and her actions affect the protagonist greatly. She has plenty of depth imo. Her motivations, end goals, backstory, psychosis are explored. She has development, has characterizations. That is what depth is. Depends on what these people mean by 'strong', because like I said in my previous post, physically, it's a factual trait. I heavily disagree with the notion that a female character can't be considered strong mentally, unless they are more important or as important as the male characters, on par on them with strength, has zero sexualization or any attempts at making them attractive, has zero weak moments. That's just seems hypocritical to me, because nobody have that criteria for male characters, when a male character cries or show moments of weakness, people don't go around calling him weak mentally, but when a female character does the same thing, she is considered weak and relies on the male characters, same goes for romantic interests and the like. Even though, while not being as strong as the male characters, they display a lot of bravery and courageous virtues. As if the only way a female character can be strong is if she is emotionless, never cries or shows humanity, not attractive, etc I thought Celty was well written in the first half of DRRR and didnt act like too much of a fictional character personality wise. I dont mind mild sexualization as long as it isnt the main focus of the show or one of the biggest reasons why the character exists. Any character whos brought out for a boob/ass shot every episode is probably a shitty character anyway from a shitty show that is dependent on fanservice for views. Youve got to be joking, Elfen Lied was an abomination. Its the #1 psuedo-intellectual gore porn series for 13 year olds. Giving a character a tragic backstory doesnt make them deep. Within the first episode she was running around naked on screen and meowing. I never said any of those things you are responding to in the last paragraph, you just made that up yourself. |
| i feel like you can find way more whipped male MC's that are walked all over by female love interests than you see weak female characters |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Monad said: The male is hardly normal but anyway. How i can watch them? I guess with the same way female watchers watch bishounens flipping their hair and taking off their shirts. I mean i already said those are fanservice shows. Obviously you watch them for some action or comedy or whatever combined with fanservice. Simple entertainment and eye candy really. Obviously they aren't meant for female watchers so is natural that you wouldn't understand. You seem to be quite the little puritan. I meant that he is regular looking, while the female characters are ridiculous. He should be ripped to match the females I understand that it can be entertaining ofc, fujoshi stuff is hilarious, but I wouldnt throw borderline hentai in the strong and brave females category |
| Cool, we've a good star for gender equalities! Now, for a total equality, put male heroes who don't scare to hit hers. No seriously, I like when female characters aren't ladies in distress but, like everywhere, It has some I can't stand. I love Balsa from Seirei no Moribito and Horo from Ookami to Koushinryou but I can't stand Erza Scarlet from Fairy Tail or the main heroin in Blood-C.... |
marriage said: I dont mind mild sexualization as long as it isnt the main focus of the show or one of the biggest reasons why the character exists. Any character whos brought out for a boob/ass shot every episode is probably a shitty character anyway from a shitty show that is dependent on fanservice for views. Youve got to be joking, Elfen Lied was an abomination. Its the #1 psuedo-intellectual gore porn series for 13 year olds. Giving a character a tragic backstory doesnt make them deep. Within the first episode she was running around naked on screen and meowing. I never said any of those things you are responding to in the last paragraph, you just made that up yourself. Well it's time for examples then, because outside of ecchi, I can't recall female characters in an action anime, as you describe them. I never talked about Elfen Lied, I was talking about Yuno from Mirai Nikki specifically. I didn't say it made the character deep, I said backstories in general, not tragic ones, gives a character depth, because they explore and explain what and how they became their current self, and better explains their characterization. My bad, that wasn't directed at you, I was talking about the topic in general. |
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marriage said: Monad said: The male is hardly normal but anyway. How i can watch them? I guess with the same way female watchers watch bishounens flipping their hair and taking off their shirts. I mean i already said those are fanservice shows. Obviously you watch them for some action or comedy or whatever combined with fanservice. Simple entertainment and eye candy really. Obviously they aren't meant for female watchers so is natural that you wouldn't understand. You seem to be quite the little puritan. I meant that he is regular looking, while the female characters are ridiculous. He should be ripped to match the females I understand that it can be entertaining ofc, fujoshi stuff is hilarious, but I wouldnt throw borderline hentai in the strong and brave females category I get it but even if a show is of a certain type it doesn't mean a specific character can't have certain qualities. Hell DxD even with all it's fanservice focused time it still develops it's story better than Mirrai Nikki does. |
| About Elfen Lied, I may be biased because I honestly enjoyed the show long ago, but while giving a character a tragic backstory doesn't make them deep, and despite the existence of a huge amount of exploitative fanservice content around Lucy, I think this isn't enough of an excuse to sell that short a premise and storytelling that revolves a damn lot around the psyche of the character, that makes her fulfill a rather unique antiheroic role, and that in conclusion aims and contains a lot of character exposition. |
Working_Designs said: Malicre said: Are you serious? Teresa from claymore would shit all over any female from the 80/90s anime, hell she is prob hands down the most badass and charismatic female character ever. Sorry, but I don't see anything "Charismatic" about Teresa from Claymore. She's ugly, and she's pale as a ghost. Girls like Rabby and Lufy from Gall Force are far more charismatic. top kek even if you had a ruler that was able to measure several light years, you wouldn't be able to measure the difference between Teresa and the two failed abortions you mentioned. |
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Working_Designs said: Malicre said: Are you serious? Teresa from claymore would shit all over any female from the 80/90s anime, hell she is prob hands down the most badass and charismatic female character ever. Sorry, but I don't see anything "Charismatic" about Teresa from Claymore. She's ugly, and she's pale as a ghost. Girls like Rabby and Lufy from Gall Force are far more charismatic. You have got to be kidding, of all the 80's chicks you could compare to Teresa you choose the Chicks from Gall force???!!! |
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Eucli said: Working_Designs said: Sorry, but I don't see anything "Charismatic" about Teresa from Claymore. She's ugly, and she's pale as a ghost. Girls like Rabby and Lufy from Gall Force are far more charismatic. top kek even if you had a ruler that was able to measure several light years, you wouldn't be able to measure the difference between Teresa and the two failed abortions you mentioned. You know nothing about good Anime. @King_of_devils: Looks like another butthurt Claymore fan. Claymore is shit. |
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King_of_Devils said: Not really...........It's less that you dissed Claymore and moreso that you could'nt find a better representetive than Friggin' Gall Force Fine then, here's a few other girls who are far more charismatic than Teresa: - Fandora from Dream Dimension Hunter Fandora - Moriya Ririka from Nurse Angel Ririka SOS - Nagisa & Honoka from Futari wa Precure - Sakura Mami from ESPer Mami - Kisaragi Honey from Cutey Honey |
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Working_Designs said: King_of_Devils said: Not really...........It's less that you dissed Claymore and moreso that you could'nt find a better representetive than Friggin' Gall Force Fine then, here's a few other girls who are far more charismatic than Teresa: - Fandora from Dream Dimension Hunter Fandora - Moriya Ririka from Nurse Angel Ririka SOS - Nagisa & Honoka from Futari wa Precure - Sakura Mami from ESPer Mami - Kisaragi Honey from Cutey Honey Honey's Awesome, but not exactly in that tier yet The rest............Never even heard of em |
King_of_HereticsMar 26, 2015 5:42 PM
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Working_Designs said: Eucli said: top kek even if you had a ruler that was able to measure several light years, you wouldn't be able to measure the difference between Teresa and the two failed abortions you mentioned. You know nothing about good Anime. Resorting to the good 'ol ad hominem I see. Not surprised since I know you're fond of the classics. |
| Most of the Japanese customers do not enjoy strong females. |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
| The credit to the opinion of Working_Designs should be gone as soon as it's blatantly obvious that he hasn't watched and doesn't intend to watch Claymore. You can't compete against that amount of tryhardness, guys. |
jal90 said: The credit to the opinion of Working_Designs should be gone as soon as it's blatantly obvious that he hasn't watched and doesn't intend to watch Claymore. You can't compete against that amount of tryhardness, guys. Claymore is way too violent for me to ever watch, even if I wanted to watch it. And I don't, mainly because everyones' skin is too fucking grey. |
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Working_Designs said: Claymore is way too violent for me to ever watch, even if I wanted to watch it. And I don't, mainly because everyones' skin is too fucking grey. So you have'nt even watched it and you can Magically measure the level of charisma the characters have ascertain the quality of the show. Why do'nt you put that Ridiculously Broken ability of yours to better use??? MAL users continue to baffle me |
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King_of_Devils said: Working_Designs said: Claymore is way too violent for me to ever watch, even if I wanted to watch it. And I don't, mainly because everyones' skin is too fucking grey. So you have'nt even watched it and you can Magically measure the level of charisma the characters have ascertain the quality of the show. Why do'nt you put that masterful ability to better use??? MAL users continue to baffle me Sorry, but Claymore is way too violent for me to ever watch it. I'm not into that stuff, and that's not just because it's a newer Anime. |
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Mountainstream said: Monad said: What is it? I think i already said it. There are lots of them obviously in anime, a thousands times less in reality which means complaining seems even sillier since the medium gives you more credit than ever. And the idea that i do not want to see badass female characters is just your preconception. Considering i dislike them i am quite the masochist for having many of them as favorites characters and being a member for a few years of the female badass club. Or to you think that was some big conspiracy from me because i was anticipating creating this thread? Yes i want you to shut up about it not because i don't want such characters but because you are lying and are stuck in some preconceptions about gender treatment that don't exist. There are also a thousand times less male characters who kick ass in reality. Yet there are countless of anime guys can turn to when they want to view a male character that is braver and stronger than the female character. What is sad is that, even though there are more anime where male characters are the bravest, strongest and most important, you are complaining that we are complaining because we like more of the same with female characters. Note that I don't mind at all that guys have fanservice and all the wish fulfillment they like, but that you are now so worked up about me wanting a bit more of the same that you want me to 'shut up'. Remember that you're not a sword swinging badass that saves planets in real life, so talking about women getting more credit than 'we deserve' in anime is silly as long as there are superhuman male characters like that. As i showed with the posts i quoted in my op post, is people basically claiming that anime somehow aren't full of brave or strong females and that they are rare. That's the kind of comments that annoy me. Why say something that isn't truth? This playing the oppressed idea is what is annoying. I don't care if you want more anime with badass females because it's what you like. If that is what you like then feel free to ask for more. But is not for that. You are doing it for some false misconception about fighting for some supposed gender equality. That is the problem with people like you. You are here to be a feminist complainer instead of an anime watcher and claim things that aren't truth so you can find things to complain. When i gave an example of how anime are full with badass brave female characters you didn't say "yeah but i liked it and i want more". You tried to imply that NO there is still some big inequality thing because supposedly male characters are always the main heroes and are better(even though the shows i posted is where females are mains so that made your argument kind of stupid) Let's cut to the chase here. To you believe anime rarely have brave or strong female characters? If you do how to you explain what i just posted? If you don't then you admit that the medium doesn't have some male dominance in bravery roles and you have no reason to be displeased other than asking for more of what you personally like. Next in spoiler because it kind of irrelevant to topic: |
MonadMar 26, 2015 6:11 PM
Mountainstream said: Yet there are countless of anime guys can turn to when they want to view a male character that is braver and stronger than the female character. Where? When? If you go through the OP's list you will see in most (if not all) of those shows the female characters are the stronger or braver ones, or even the ones that give the best impression. Remember that stronger does not necessarily mean physically, but also having a stronger will and most male characters nowadays are pushovers when confronting with women. Mountainstream said: What is sad is that, even though there are more anime where male characters are the bravest, strongest and most important, you are complaining that we are complaining because we like more of the same with female characters. Yes, I wish that people stop complaining about lack of strong and determined female characters because nowadays this is simply not true. Can you provide a list like the OPs where the male characters are stronger and braver? From recent years, of the top of my head, I can only think of JoJo and Hunter x Hunter, which is mostly because they are adaptations of old manga which follows more "traditional"gender roles. Also what does fanservice has to do with a character's strength and willpower? That's right - absolutely nothing. It's an entirely different characteristic, which has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. |
Majikkusesu said: Not sure why anyone thinks fan service has anything to do with a character's strength or bravery. Even American comics mix them, i.e. Wonder Woman is both strong and brave while flaunting a sex outfit and striking chub worthy poses. Yeah, that's was my thinking when i included some echii shows with strong female characters. Although i still avoided putting many. I could have put Ikkitousen and Queen's Blade and Hyakka Ryouran: Samurai Girls etc but i mostly avoided putting such extreme fanservice shows to avoid such complains. |
| What really bothers me is how easy it is to exclude a strong and brave female characters just because she's wearing skimpy outfits by using 'male exploitation objects' arguments. People always reminded of how to not judge a book by its covers... especially if it's female, right. |
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azzuRe said: What really bothers me is how easy it is to exclude a strong and brave female characters just because she's wearing skimpy outfits by using 'male exploitation objects' arguments. People always reminded of how to not judge a book by its covers... especially if it's female, right. speakin' da truth |
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azzuRe said: What really bothers me is how easy it is to exclude a strong and brave female characters just because she's wearing skimpy outfits by using 'male exploitation objects' arguments. People always reminded of how to not judge a book by its covers... especially if it's female, right. Perhaps, but in an other hand, It doesn't help very much. It's fantasy, I get it, but when I see a "strong independent woman" character with those kind of outfit, for me, It's as hard to take her seriously as a character like Kirito of SAO or Kamina from TTGL... Look at Erza Scarlet, strong and brave, yes, but she's a fanservice living bowl.. |
Working_Designs said: King_of_Devils said: So you have'nt even watched it and you can Magically measure the level of charisma the characters have ascertain the quality of the show. Why do'nt you put that masterful ability to better use??? MAL users continue to baffle me Sorry, but Claymore is way too violent for me to ever watch it. I'm not into that stuff, and that's not just because it's a newer Anime. There is no way in hell you can tell me any character is better then teresa when you haven't even watched claymore. You're opinion doesn't even matter anymore. |
MalicreMar 27, 2015 4:55 AM
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Balong said: It's as hard to take her seriously as a character like Kirito of SAO or Kamina from TTGL... You imply that Kirito and Kamina are taken seriously as characters? |
| Its actually the other way around,nowadays main male characters are usually neutered and castrated as much as possible. Gone are the days of Kenshiro and co and all aboard the Shinji copy paste train! |
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Darklord_bg said: Balong said: It's as hard to take her seriously as a character like Kirito of SAO or Kamina from TTGL... You imply that Kirito and Kamina are taken seriously as characters? Kamina should be... Kirito is another story |
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| The most epic MC I known in a LN/novel from japan is female ( from this novel http://myanimelist.net/manga/87295/Yuusha_Aruiwa_Bakemono_to_Yobareta_Shoujo - try finding more epic than her, seriously). And there's tons of strong minded females both in LN, manga and anime. For strong minded/brave female MC, there's anime like saiunkoku monogatari, that wasn't listed so far. Even so, as far as MC goes, most strong females in anime feels like they're only her to fall in love with the MC (him being strong or not isn't important). Strong minded female MC who are independent aren't that frequent in anime indeed. You can get a good lsit by searching a ittle, but if you compare it with the amount of anime being released, it's a small minority. But strong minded male MC aren't that frequent either I think~ Darklord_bg said: Balong said: It's as hard to take her seriously as a character like Kirito of SAO or Kamina from TTGL... You imply that Kirito and Kamina are taken seriously as characters? I think he does...? As ridiculous as it sounds lol. |
ZefyrisMar 27, 2015 7:22 AM
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| Very rare yes. The only females who are strong and brave but in a cool way, like you know, not a fanservice way, those are the female characters in my favorites. (well from the anime i've watch ofc) |
Darklord_bg said: Balong said: It's as hard to take her seriously as a character like Kirito of SAO or Kamina from TTGL... You imply that Kirito and Kamina are taken seriously as characters? In mouth of fans, It looks they're really "serious" characters... silversongwriter said: Kamina should be... See... Shirayukishi said: Very rare yes. The only females who are strong and brave but in a cool way, like you know, not a fanservice way, those are the female characters in my favorites. (well from the anime i've watch ofc) Kinda agree with that... |
Balong said: azzuRe said: What really bothers me is how easy it is to exclude a strong and brave female characters just because she's wearing skimpy outfits by using 'male exploitation objects' arguments. People always reminded of how to not judge a book by its covers... especially if it's female, right. Perhaps, but in an other hand, It doesn't help very much. It's fantasy, I get it, but when I see a "strong independent woman" character with those kind of outfit, for me, It's as hard to take her seriously as a character like Kirito of SAO or Kamina from TTGL... Look at Erza Scarlet, strong and brave, yes, but she's a fanservice living bowl.. But why wouldn't you take them seriously just because they shows some cleavages or crotch cam? Strong independent woman is not skin deep, any kind of fanservice didn't change their integrity as a character. |
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| I've only watched a few anime that had a strong female but it didn't really phase me. I always figured there were tons of strong females and I was right lol. Hitsugi no Chaika also had a strong/brave female. |
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Malicre said: Working_Designs said: Sorry, but Claymore is way too violent for me to ever watch it. I'm not into that stuff, and that's not just because it's a newer Anime. There is no way in hell you can tell me any character is better then teresa when you haven't even watched claymore. You're opinion doesn't even matter anymore. Oh no, I have different taste in Anime than you! There must be something wrong with me! How much Anime have you even seen, anyway? Because your list is completely bare. |
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Malicre said: Working_Designs said: Sorry, but Claymore is way too violent for me to ever watch it. I'm not into that stuff, and that's not just because it's a newer Anime. There is no way in hell you can tell me any character is better then teresa when you haven't even watched claymore. You're opinion doesn't even matter anymore. I personally was disappointed by Claymore. I've read various chapters of the manga through Shounen Jump in the past, and the manga is much better. |
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azzuRe said: Balong said: Perhaps, but in an other hand, It doesn't help very much. It's fantasy, I get it, but when I see a "strong independent woman" character with those kind of outfit, for me, It's as hard to take her seriously as a character like Kirito of SAO or Kamina from TTGL... Look at Erza Scarlet, strong and brave, yes, but she's a fanservice living bowl.. But why wouldn't you take them seriously just because they shows some cleavages or crotch cam? Strong independent woman is not skin deep, any kind of fanservice didn't change their integrity as a character. For me, fanservice in non-ecchi anime/manga I've seen is used as a stopgap or a easy way to make hers "likeable". I didn't say they're all like that, but It doesn't happen often too. |
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