Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Movie -Rebellion-
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FierceAlchemist said: VeryNicePerson said: Homura stopped Madoka from saving her so because of that, she transforms into a devil [can't become a Witch because of Madoka's wish]. She ripped Madoka [human] from Madoka [entity] which must continue the accomplishment of Madoka's wish. Some people agree with that theory. I personally don't since we saw Homura become a witch in her soul gem world. It's not that witches can't be born, it's just that the Law of Cycles usually intervenes before the transformation happens. I think she gets her powers from all her emotions being love and her built up karmic destiny from those timelines. VeryNicePerson said: At the end, we saw Madoka almost "synchronize" w/ the entity. So could she stay like that and live peaceful life or Homura's plan is temporary and will actually fail ? What is Homura ? A "devil" ok but could she stand against a God ? Does she control and write everything ? What is her goal now ? What Sayaka will do against her ? Homura says "one day you will become my enemy" to Madoka since Madoka said she upheld order over desires. But to Homura, that's ok as long as Madoka's happy. She seems to be nearly all powerful within this universe but obviously can't completely seperate Madoka from the Law of Cycles. Sayaka says she'll always remember Homura's the devil so she'll probably be the most active fighting against Homura in the future. VeryNicePerson said: Also, what about the post credit scene meaning ? You'll notice it's the same hill and chairs from earlier in the movie, but not there's only one chair and the hill is cut in half. Plus the moon is cut in half. Homura's leaning her head to the side, where Madoka's shoulder would be. She hears the grass rustle and looks over expectantly only to see Kyubey. She does her dance and falls off the cliff. I can't believe she'd actually die from that, but it reinforces her guilt and that she wants to die. Lastly we see Kyubey looking beat up with black eyes. This is either Homura beating up on Kyubey in revenge or her somehow putting all of the curses of the world onto the incubators. Thank you for your input; i'm glad you could enlighten me on that. So there are actually different opinions on that ending. Is there a third theory ? Which one seems the most plausible/chosen so far ? Also, Sayaka is the one that could disrupt Homura's universe in the future. Season 2 ? |
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VeryNicePerson said: Thank you for your input; i'm glad you could enlighten me on that. So there are actually different opinions on that ending. Is there a third theory ? Which one seems the most plausible/chosen so far ? Also, Sayaka is the one that could disrupt Homura's universe in the future. Season 2 ? There are lots of different theories about the ending. Here's two. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1070701 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=705801 |
Ghostalker said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Botato said: Kaioshin_Sama said: The movie also really has problems with pacing early on in the first half though not quite as bad as the Haruhi Suzumiya film since despite it being a bait and switch (albeit a rare example of baiting and switching being used because the story needed it for impact) at the very least it kept me entertained. It really feels like if they had cut down on the events of the first half and had the final 20 minutes take place somewhere closer to the middle that they could have had more time to go in depth on them and give the viewer something more concrete and personal to take away from it, but then they'd probably have to resolve things and that'd give them less of an obvious sequel hook so really it feels like commercial considerations trumped trying to tell the best story they possibly could hear and the movie suffers greatly for it as a whole. Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. The pace was really slow at the beginning but then suddenly shit hits the fan, which is good of course because there were some interesting things that happened. It's just that the ending was kind of abrupt. Overall I liked it, but not as much as the original TV series. Now obviously the sales for this will be more than enough for a sequel, question is if there will be? Also will it be written by Trollobuthcer or not? EDIT: @Ghostalker: I've re-watched the original series more than once too, but I don't think my problem with this movie can be solved by rewatching, I mean I liked it well enough it's just the last part was disappointing. I had heard he was moving on from writing for it but that could just be like Kojima not doing any more Metal Gear games. Anyway if I had to describe the pace it felt like a 90 minute movie and then like a third quarter episode of a TV series where we haven't seen what happens in the first half. It really just kind of gets to that point and then ends abruptly before anything really has a chance to sink in or be touched on. It's not very good as the resolution to the film and I'm not really sure it actually achieves it's goal as a sequel hook so much as it gets people talking. The last 20 minutes just feel like a weird alternate extended ending or something you'd find as an extra on a Blu-Ray. To you guys, this is probably one of the most exhaustive and extensive analysis and discussion of Madoka Magica Rebellion in the internet right now, I want to share it with you, the discussion was of very high quality. The Topic was... “Rebel With A Misguided Cause”: How Madoka Magica Rebellion Disregards the Values of Its Own Predecessor by Reddit User Novasylum That article gets a little fanboyish at times for the original series and it kind of weakens it's authors arguments by giving them a biased tinge, but I think the fact that so many people seem to be reaching similar reactions and conclusions about the film and why it ended up the way it did and what it's problems are speaks volumes. I also don't see these problems being remedied with another sequel because now the staffs hands will be tied trying to address the divide on both sides of the fandom and please both those people. If anything I think another sequel probably just ends up with even more problems, contradictions and dissatisfied fans. |
RLinksoul said: -The ending. Not so much the "Why" as the "How". The anime made it seem like the limits of what a magical girl who already made the contract could do was pretty well defined. Madoka is also not supposed to exist as a physical being. I loved the movie and even I'll admit the "how" is left undefined. I have my own theory for how Homura became so powerful:http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=705801 As for Madoka, it was shown that she came down in human form to save Homura inside the soul gem. Then when she comes to take her away, Mami and Kyoko can see her. I think, in line with her duty as the Law of Cycles, she had to cleanse Homura's soul gem before she could become omnipresent again and go help the next magical girl. That's what let's Homura grab her. The Law of Cycles wants to move on, but Homura is holding human Madoka tight. Thus the Law of Cycles splits off human Madoka so it can save the next magical girl. RLinksoul said: -The flower scene being the result of a misunderstanding. It's understandable since neither party had their proper memories, but would Madokami at her prime say she regretted her decision? In the goodbye scene in space in episode 12, Homura asks "Are you... really alright with that Madoka? Even though I'll forget you? Even though I'll never even be able to sense you again?" Notice that Madoka responds by talking about how Homura could still remember her. She never answered the question "Are you really alright with that?" (being the Law of Cycles). Then there's the first ED song. It's Madoka's charcater song sung by Madoka's voice actor all about how she'll lie and smile and say "See You Tomorrow." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__q9fsZa5vk |
| This movie failed at pacing and is too long as the result, I almost felt the nightmare of Bayside Shakedown movies. The latter part was just horrible as Kaoru's monologue in eva Q. The thing is that Eva can AT LEAST pretend with plausible manners, but this one cannot. The visual was superb, Inu curry animtion is always great as usual, battle scenes were actually good (which is not-so-much expected from SHAFT). |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
DawnJ said: This movie failed at pacing and is too long as the result, I almost felt the nightmare of Bayside Shakedown movies. The latter part was just horrible as Kaoru's monologue in eva Q. The thing is that Eva can AT LEAST pretend with plausible manners, but this one cannot. The visual was superb, Inu curry animtion is always great as usual, battle scenes were actually good (which is not-so-much expected from SHAFT). The combination of the movie's length, pacing and visuals actually exhausted me, not to mention trying to wrap my head around the final act. It was a strange experience. |
| Finally got a chance to see Rebellion. What I got is the same weird depressed feeling after watching Ga-Rei: Zero. Can't justify what Homura did is right or wrong, but I can understand her tho. |
| So did Homura die in the end ? |
marian11 said: So did Homura die in the end ? Figuratively, in a way, yes. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Ghostalker said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Botato said: Kaioshin_Sama said: The movie also really has problems with pacing early on in the first half though not quite as bad as the Haruhi Suzumiya film since despite it being a bait and switch (albeit a rare example of baiting and switching being used because the story needed it for impact) at the very least it kept me entertained. It really feels like if they had cut down on the events of the first half and had the final 20 minutes take place somewhere closer to the middle that they could have had more time to go in depth on them and give the viewer something more concrete and personal to take away from it, but then they'd probably have to resolve things and that'd give them less of an obvious sequel hook so really it feels like commercial considerations trumped trying to tell the best story they possibly could hear and the movie suffers greatly for it as a whole. Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. The pace was really slow at the beginning but then suddenly shit hits the fan, which is good of course because there were some interesting things that happened. It's just that the ending was kind of abrupt. Overall I liked it, but not as much as the original TV series. Now obviously the sales for this will be more than enough for a sequel, question is if there will be? Also will it be written by Trollobuthcer or not? EDIT: @Ghostalker: I've re-watched the original series more than once too, but I don't think my problem with this movie can be solved by rewatching, I mean I liked it well enough it's just the last part was disappointing. I had heard he was moving on from writing for it but that could just be like Kojima not doing any more Metal Gear games. Anyway if I had to describe the pace it felt like a 90 minute movie and then like a third quarter episode of a TV series where we haven't seen what happens in the first half. It really just kind of gets to that point and then ends abruptly before anything really has a chance to sink in or be touched on. It's not very good as the resolution to the film and I'm not really sure it actually achieves it's goal as a sequel hook so much as it gets people talking. The last 20 minutes just feel like a weird alternate extended ending or something you'd find as an extra on a Blu-Ray. To you guys, this is probably one of the most exhaustive and extensive analysis and discussion of Madoka Magica Rebellion in the internet right now, I want to share it with you, the discussion was of very high quality. The Topic was... “Rebel With A Misguided Cause”: How Madoka Magica Rebellion Disregards the Values of Its Own Predecessor by Reddit User Novasylum That article gets a little fanboyish at times for the original series and it kind of weakens it's authors arguments by giving them a biased tinge, but I think the fact that so many people seem to be reaching similar reactions and conclusions about the film and why it ended up the way it did and what it's problems are speaks volumes. I also don't see these problems being remedied with another sequel because now the staffs hands will be tied trying to address the divide on both sides of the fandom and please both those people. If anything I think another sequel probably just ends up with even more problems, contradictions and dissatisfied fans. The article was a nice read. The only problem I had was that he wound the messages up in the wrong way. He should have started with the conclusions and then said why it is reasonable to reach those conclusions. I have no idea, if he really understood his thoughts himself fully, even though he is correct most the time. |
ChepriApr 5, 2014 3:02 AM
| All hail the Nutcracker Queen! |
| This is quite confusing. So did Homura reversed everything? becoming like the opposite of Madoka and the end result Kyubey was mind f*cked. |
bekichan said: This is quite confusing. So did Homura reversed everything? becoming like the opposite of Madoka and the end result Kyubey was mind f*cked. yes she reverse everything after sucks madoka power with the power of love that irrational and no one can understand because human emotion is just too dangerous... (god is it really love power? because she have love so she can sucks madoka power? i hope it is... ugh...) thats what i got when kyubei ask homura what happened, heres the proof(screenshot) http://i.imgur.com/q316L0M.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xCZMbcw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6qE0irn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/HhyytAI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/yDC67ii.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oHY4mU1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hicHGOX.jpg (fix me if i was wrong) |
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| This movie was terrible, it was a complete disgrace to the madoka movies and series. |
| Best Madoka movie ever! And I will tell you what, I want more!!! Really, it was amazing, Homura sure is the best character, her love for Madoka reached a whole new level this time, and it's amazing that she wants to handle all the burden of the world by herself, so Madoka can be happy. 10/10! |
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| I have mixed feelings right now, I need to rewatch it when subs in my language will be available to score it higer, but for now it's 9/10 and it's direct hit in my tastes. Urobuchi know how to write, he's excellent. |
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| Whoa, my mind was completely blown by the end. I have really mixed feelings about how things went, I feel like raging because this isn't the kind of ending I wanted or expected at all, but at the same time it really fits the dark theme of the Madoka series in general... Uh, what an amazing movie, tbh. Totally not something I expected from it, in good and bad. 9/10 and 5/5 are my scores for this. The OST was great but not even close to the first two movies, I'm a bit disappointed. The art work was great, as expected. All in all it was a great movie though it really left me with such mixed up feelings that I'm not really sure if I should be hyped by it or rage at it, lol |
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| I DONT UNDERSTAND JACK SHIT! ! ! ! Did going through all those timelines give Homura the power which equates to god? And where did her insanity come from? I saw it as despair, not insanity. What was the Law she wrote?! Being the opposite of the Law of the Cycle? And how the hell did love turn into evil?! I mean I love the concept but its hard to grasp the reasoning. Is it because of Homura's love that caused obsession, in turn creating insanity? What the hell were her goals?! I NEED AN ADULT!!!!!!! Also... How did QB create an isolation field? Basically an isolated dimension? I mean thats one hell of a phenomena. A device or what not that can block out a Law of the Universe. What the hell? |
OurkaApr 7, 2014 6:40 PM
shagek1 said: yes she reverse everything after sucks madoka power with the power of love that irrational and no one can understand because human emotion is just too dangerous... (god is it really love power? because she have love so she can sucks madoka power? i hope it is... ugh... Thanks. So basically that's it and leaves the rest of it to our imagination. Kyubey creeps me out with those pics. |
| At the begining I was thinking: What is happening, its supposed that madoka is a god and Sayaka is already dead. Then Mami with Bebe... and I was aking myself why that ex witch was there. Then Homura and her memories and slow all my questions wew answered. O.o Homura is really a selfish girl. That is my conclusion just only because she did to Ultimate Madoka. |
| Better than the TV series imo. 9/10! |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| Anyone knows what is wrote at the end of movie: http://imgur.com/nGSLmBt |
| My love for this series has been completely revived. |
Javera said: My love for this series has been completely revived. Did you not like the end of the TV show? |
| Haha, i read so many plausible speculations that i don't know what to think anymore... Need to rewatch this to make a point from these ideas. |
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| Hoomura = elfish Madoka = Selfless. They are in the different ends of the spectrum and pretty much foils each other. Also if Homura is now the devil (or about to be the devil), she pretty much will replace QBs role as the devil. That QB at the end lol. I would rewatch that scene 100 times |
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Iasuru said: Also if Homura is now the devil (or about to be the devil), she pretty much will replace QBs role as the devil. That QB at the end lol. I would rewatch that scene 100 times Not a big deal I guess, but I was really annoyed when I saw the movie in theaters last year. They didn't play the scene after the credits. I knew it existed because I checked online, but then they just stopped after the ED song. |
FierceAlchemist said: No its not that, its only because its been awhile since i've watched the series. Rewatched it right after the movie lolJavera said: My love for this series has been completely revived. Did you not like the end of the TV show? |
eddy-sama said: Great movie but I prefer the series ending Lol It looks more "legit"... Looking for an all-out battle between Sayaka Miki and Homura Akemi ;) Prefer the series ending too... it doesn't seem like an ending now... I can't believe Homura ended up as an evil being... just so she could be with Madoka? but if she had disappeared and was taken by the law of circle, wouldn't she be kind of with madoka too? |
Lyrisia said: eddy-sama said: Great movie but I prefer the series ending Lol It looks more "legit"... Looking for an all-out battle between Sayaka Miki and Homura Akemi ;) Prefer the series ending too... it doesn't seem like an ending now... I can't believe Homura ended up as an evil being... just so she could be with Madoka? but if she had disappeared and was taken by the law of circle, wouldn't she be kind of with madoka too? The point is Homura released Madoka from her eternal faith that is worse than death (quoting what Mami said from episode 12 of TV series) plus Homura granted her own wish which is to protect Madoka...the true end. |
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maxtheax said: To basically put the movie into perspective, this is Madoka's End of Evangelion This. |
 » Escapism. |
| First 20-30 minutes was rather boring and slice of life-ish. I don't dislike the fact Homura ruined all her efforts in the 2 previous movies to save Madoka and decided to fulfill her own selfish desires instead because she shows a very beautiful, even poetic perversion. I guess in some respects, the story ended well as Homara did "save" Madoka and friends from the clutches of QB by putting them inside a peaceful (albeit somewhat deceitful) world controlled by her. Despite a clear change in its presentation, Urobuchi still managed to make the story compelling and ambiguous, leaving its interpretation to the audience. BTW, anyone else think the whole setting (including dat gun fight) is kinda similar to the Matrix? |
Itachi_0893 said: That was a masterpiece, even though it would have been great with just Homura being taken by Madoka, with this ending Homura's wish really becomes true. Definetly the best movie I've ever watch, and it really leaves me with the same feeling as The end of evangelion movie. Also, if Homura actually let Madoka take her, Sayaka and Charlotte wouldn't exist in the real world either. Mami and Kyouko would be all alone and I (think?) the two wouldn't remember them either. With Homura rewriting the universe like Madoka did, everyone gets to be together and happy. But anyways... goddamn. This series. What is life after this anime? There's still so much I don't understand, even after rewatching it. The ending is too... bittersweet, but it's still a 10/10 masterpiece. Like I don't understand when Homura says maybe Madoka will be her enemy someday and the same to Sayaka, and how Sayaka still has her soul gem ring. Are they magical girls still? There is just too many unanswered questions. This series has been through a lot. Everything is so confusing. But in the end I think we can all agree that Madoka Magica is beautiful, depressing, and heartbreaking at the same time. It's perfect. |
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