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Sep 22, 2013 5:35 PM
#551
Sep 22, 2013 5:36 PM
#552
| The only problem with the running scene is where Eren started his run. The layout: Buildings → row of trees → cathedral. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/annie%20back.jpg After punching Annie initially, he actually took an additional step forward and ended up past the buildings: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/eren2.jpg But when he started his run again, he was way back. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/eren.jpg My conclusion is that Titan Eren took a few steps back offscreen after punching Annie. Who knows why? Maybe to get a large enough running start to do a high enough leap in order to perform a powerful enough sumo slam on her. Don't forget the buildings and trees provide a certain illusion of distance. Look at the first picture, the row of trees is a mere step for Titan Annie, but when Eren was running at the very end, the distance between the trees looked huge. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/eren%20running.jpg Maybe it's the camera angle or maybe the director wanted to exaggerate the running scene a little but ultimately it is no biggie, unless you really really want to be pedantic about it. And this made me laugh: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/horseface.jpg |
TorribleSep 22, 2013 5:40 PM
Sep 22, 2013 5:41 PM
#553
Diranko said: ronri said: Maybe, just maybe, it's possible that she was (Manga Spoilers)zellami said: Why is it so strange if he manages to hit her, when she has a little time to figure out where from the punch is coming at her? You just answered your own question: Because SHE DIDN'T have little time. She reacted to the lightning. She stood there waiting. She was expecting him. She even side-glanced at his direction. What you were referring to about her getting hit before mainly has to do with the fact that she was already fighting Eren and thus everything remains unpredictable. Here though? All signs pointed to the contrary and she was still "surprised". expecting Bert or Reiner to come for a plan they earlier made. It's entirely possible. Perhaps, but even then, they could done a better job depicting that. I suppose a good way to show that perhaps Annie is in league with the armoured and colossal titans. I dunno, maybe in Annie's head, she imagines the Armoured titan coming to her, only for her to realise that its not the Armoured titan and get punched by Eren. They still need to do some cleaning up on that scene, BD fix should hopefully compensate. I still support Ronri's idea. Her foiling the Scouting Legion's plan and trying to recover Eren from the debris in a last ditch effort to take him away, only to take an uppercut from a freshly transformed Eren sounds better than what we've been given. |
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Sep 22, 2013 5:44 PM
#554
| I can sense a big fight scene coming up. I won't be satisfied unless the fight scene is spectacular. |
Sep 22, 2013 5:49 PM
#555
rahrahrahRyan said: I can sense a big fight scene coming up. I won't be satisfied unless the fight scene is spectacular. It will be. At the very least, the last episode will be better than episode 21 and 24. They had so much pride in the episode that they wanted to fans see it on a big screen. It has to be good, at least in terms of animation. Although some nitpicker would later probably say something like "based on the laws of physics, Annie should have landed 5 tree lengths away instead of just 4." |
Sep 22, 2013 6:10 PM
#556
AnimageNeby said: AironicallyHuman said: >>> Typed about the stupidity of the Eren-Annie punch only one or two posts before Animage >>> Everyone agrees with Animage >>> WHERE'S MY CREDIT, BITCH!? Last-last post 'ere: Seriously Animage, you're fence-sitting whilst bashing the episode; saying it's a great episode whilst lamenting its abject failure. There is only logic: it was either badly executed or wasn't. 'Tis fanboyism to praise the episode whilst detailing its failings to such an extent, rather than the other way around. Just sayin'... Could be, I don't remember. If it was only a few posts before mine, chances are I didn't read it, however, since I only read in depth the posts to about page 15 here. By then the 'yes-no/trivial faults or not'- bickering between different posters were already apparent (I think some even got deleted). The rest were more or less repetitions, so I largely skipped over them. That everyone agrees with me and doesn't give you credit seems at the same time an exaggeration and a frustration of an egotistical whiner. What are you, a kid? Who the f- cares if random people on some forum gives you 'credit' or not? And credit for what? It's not like you invented something or 'insightful' posts should get credit (if they are insightful to begin with, even). No, it's just a forum, dude, get a grip. And if it's your last post as you say, for Gods' sake, be consistent and let it BE your last post. Nothing worse than people saying they'll stop posting and yet continue. Now, as for your perceived fanboyism and lack of 'logic' of what I said, I'm afraid you're starting with the wrong premise. A straw man fallacy, even. I didn't say it it was an abject failure, I talked about some minor issues. I don't know in what world you live in, but mine isn't black-or-white. You CAN have some errors in a series, and still like the series. If you are only going to be satisfied with something when it achieves complete perfectness, you're never going to be satisfied with anything in your life, I'm sorry to say. There are - just as in every anime - some minor issues in as well the manga as the anime. Some were rectified in the anime, some weren't, and some were introduced in the anime. All in all, none of them were major (unless you think having(no) blood in his mouth after biting it, or a scene with a titan running while he shouldn't have to run that far, makes or brakes a series. If that is the case, you have either an autistic tendency or are an obsessive, unrealistic perfectionist. Normally, one has enough common sense to allow for some errors and mistakes; we're only human, after all. As long as it doesn't break the story or characterisation, these kind of errors mean very little, and shouldn't keep you from assessing the series as being great, all in all. In fact, these are trivial. FAR more important will be how the mangaka will deliver in the end, about the mystery of that world. I hope he can give it a satisfying and logical end, with a well-thought out revelation and climax. I'm far more concerned about that, than whatever small fry a lot of people seem to bicker over here. So yes, I noticed the little errors, and I thought people endlessly defending or fighting over it were being idiotic. Yes, there are errors in it. Period. And yes, it doesn't mean the series isn't worth watching anymore, and one can still find it highly enjoyable. I would say it's true the question where 'the line is drawn' is different for each person. But it's a fantasy-themed anime, for gods' sake, not a scientific paper (and even there small mistakes are possible that don't influence the conclusion). Some might find the unrealistic 'swing-flights' (and yes, they ARE unrealistic) between trees with air-gear with timely retracting barbs too much to bear. So be it. Some might even find the series unwatchable because there is possibly a slight gloss to be detected on Mikasa's lips. Ok, fine. Don't watch it then. Most of the more intelligent and socially adept or normal-tolerant people, however, will not have any major issues with little mistakes that don't break the story, characterisation, or plot. Said it better than I did. Friends? |
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Sep 22, 2013 6:15 PM
#557
| that was hell boring, 95% from the episode was filler, i didn't enjoy this episode this time, |
Sep 22, 2013 6:26 PM
#558
Sep 22, 2013 6:28 PM
#559
itsTriz said: It's interesting how Armin and Jean are worried more about Eren not transforming than his well-being overall.....I mean he practically looks dead under that rubble and being impaled... Ouch XD The filler was epic though... I loved this ep.... Too much faith in his regeneration abilities? |
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Sep 22, 2013 6:40 PM
#560
HalfMetalJacket said: Yeah...I thought that as well :PitsTriz said: It's interesting how Armin and Jean are worried more about Eren not transforming than his well-being overall.....I mean he practically looks dead under that rubble and being impaled... Ouch XD The filler was epic though... I loved this ep.... Too much faith in his regeneration abilities? |
Sep 22, 2013 6:41 PM
#561
itsTriz said: HalfMetalJacket said: Yeah...I thought that as well :PitsTriz said: It's interesting how Armin and Jean are worried more about Eren not transforming than his well-being overall.....I mean he practically looks dead under that rubble and being impaled... Ouch XD The filler was epic though... I loved this ep.... Too much faith in his regeneration abilities? Imagine if he just died right there and then... |
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Sep 22, 2013 6:54 PM
#562
| I have to say, that was a pretty fantastic penultimate episode, in my opinion. I like the direction we have going into the last episode, even knowing that it won't be conclusive. The build-up of tension in the first half of the episode was great, and then we got some glorious action scenes in the second half. Eren's moral conflict over fighting Annie seemed a bit dragged out for my tastes, but I enjoyed the episode immensely nonetheless. I wouldn't call the content of the episode "filler" necessarily, since I actually thought that it was necessary build-up for the finale. I enjoyed seeing Armin's deductions and the transitions between the present situation and the flashbacks to the FT's identity being revealed to Eren. |
Sep 22, 2013 7:20 PM
#563
| Shingeki episode parallel: Another with Armin trying to get Eren's life back together while Mikasa fights all epic. Didn't like how Eren got stomped by Annie's Atlas Foot, but otherwise the changes didn't upset me much. Good episode, even if it was filled with filler, it was pretty good filler. |
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Sep 22, 2013 7:33 PM
#564
HalfMetalJacket said: Then that would be terrible! I don't know how else to put this, but if Eren dies...Humanity is screwed!itsTriz said: HalfMetalJacket said: Yeah...I thought that as well :PitsTriz said: It's interesting how Armin and Jean are worried more about Eren not transforming than his well-being overall.....I mean he practically looks dead under that rubble and being impaled... Ouch XD The filler was epic though... I loved this ep.... Too much faith in his regeneration abilities? Imagine if he just died right there and then... |
Sep 22, 2013 7:56 PM
#565
itsTriz said: HalfMetalJacket said: Then that would be terrible! I don't know how else to put this, but if Eren dies...Humanity is screwed!itsTriz said: HalfMetalJacket said: Yeah...I thought that as well :PitsTriz said: It's interesting how Armin and Jean are worried more about Eren not transforming than his well-being overall.....I mean he practically looks dead under that rubble and being impaled... Ouch XD The filler was epic though... I loved this ep.... Too much faith in his regeneration abilities? Imagine if he just died right there and then... Armin has seen Eren in worse shape and lived so seeing him under some debris with a huge piece of scaffolding through his chest is nothing. |
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Sep 22, 2013 8:06 PM
#566
Janethan23 said: itsTriz said: HalfMetalJacket said: Then that would be terrible! I don't know how else to put this, but if Eren dies...Humanity is screwed!itsTriz said: HalfMetalJacket said: Yeah...I thought that as well :PitsTriz said: It's interesting how Armin and Jean are worried more about Eren not transforming than his well-being overall.....I mean he practically looks dead under that rubble and being impaled... Ouch XD The filler was epic though... I loved this ep.... Too much faith in his regeneration abilities? Imagine if he just died right there and then... Armin has seen Eren in worse shape and lived so seeing him under some debris with a huge piece of scaffolding through his chest is nothing. Hmmmmmm... Makes some sense. But I hope the Studio fixes it up so that Armin expresses that. |
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Sep 22, 2013 8:12 PM
#567
| Enjoyable episode. Since I'm a fanboy of both Mikasa and Annie I love seeing them both in action, so I truthfully didn't mind the fillers. If you want to be objective and nitpick the episode, then yes those fillers do introduce some inconsistencies. But who cares? Subjective enjoyment comes first. Reading through some of the complaints (not just for this episode, but for the previous as well), I have a feeling that a lot of them stem from manga readers being discontent with either Eren or Annie's characterization. I can understand arguments for that (Eren's decision to transform was drawn out much, much longer), but to claim that those changes ruin the anime or make it fail as a faithful adaptation is going too far. |
Sep 22, 2013 8:14 PM
#568
Jotaro_Kujo said: Enjoyable episode. Since I'm a fanboy of both Mikasa and Annie I love seeing them both in action, so I truthfully didn't mind the fillers. If you want to be objective and nitpick the episode, then yes those fillers do introduce some inconsistencies. But who cares? Subjective enjoyment comes first. Reading through some of the complaints (not just for this episode, but for the previous as well), I have a feeling that a lot of them stem from manga readers being discontent with either Eren or Annie's characterization. I can understand arguments for that (Eren's decision to transform was drawn out much, much longer), but to claim that those changes ruin the anime or make it fail as a faithful adaptation is going too far. I think really only AironicallyHuman and ilk are the minority here. Let them get butthurt for all we care. |
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Sep 22, 2013 8:22 PM
#569
| That bite made me cringe, if there's one place I hate getting an injury at, other than my neck and bellybutton, it's my hands. Also, I think this episode to way too fucking long to get where it was going, and the amount of punishment and pep-talks it took to make Eren transform was just painful. It seems like Eren's transformations are kind of like beating-off with no material and no object of masturbation; Sometimes you go off in two minutes, and you're like "Shit, why was it so fast?", other times you do it for 30 minutes, and nothing happens. It seems to me that there will be a second season for sure. There isn't enough time to wrap everything up, and ending after beating Annie would leave a lot of loose ends. It sounds like the manga went on for much longer than what can be squeezed into 25 ultra-shittily paced episodes. I always hate it when you can tell right from the start that the episode is going to end right before the good shit happens, especially when the last episode ended right before the good shit happens. Overall, I liked the series, I don't think it deserves to be in the top ten, but I think it deserves most of the hype. I think that if it wasn't the hot new show everyone's talking about, it would be considered an underrated gem. Maybe not top tier, and not as good as something like Cowboy Bebop or Monster, but worth watching. I'll most certainly watch season 2. |
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Sep 22, 2013 8:24 PM
#570
| yo! im really wondering what was the song at the start of the second part when Eren got stuck by that debris and when they attempted to capture Annie :P Can someone help? :3 |
Sep 22, 2013 8:38 PM
#571
| I love this anime. It doesn't disappoint. Everyone was awesome and I'm glad Eren got a good punch in. |
Sep 22, 2013 8:40 PM
#572
| Been way too long since I read the manga so I could barely tell what was filler and what was not. I thought it was all pretty awesome. |
Sep 22, 2013 8:55 PM
#573
Pipoko said: MightyTALOS said: Darklight0303 said: MightyTALOS said: I dont like the way they presented eren's transformation in this, I mean its like he seems so weak in the anime that they have to make him half dead and impaled on a piece of wood to transform, The episode was fucking A tho... At least eren gets way stronger in the manga....cuz in the anime he seems the weakest..... 10/10 He is the weakest among the titan shifters Yeah about the titan shifters i agree but i mean like his personality and resolve here was so weak Oh and the scared cat in the end :<< How the hell is throwing aside your humanity while having a wooden stick sticking out you weak? Oh hell he's weak. Come on she transformed right in front of him and Eren asked Armin and Mikasa how can they fight her? The real question is why cant he fight her, did he have feelings for her, were the close? NO..Did eren forgot how she killed his squad and all other soldiers before? Why the hell would hesitate so much? Everyone's fighting and he's just mopping there. Yep WEAK.. |
Sep 22, 2013 9:04 PM
#574
| Epic episode!! Though i just want to share my thoughts. I know many have thought of this but come on I loved how they add anime only scenes in this episode but they make characters a bit OOC and some are just weird. Annie being slow and can't even kill Mikasa, Armin and Jean? But other soldiers were killed? Mikasa getting hit by a stone and yet still ok? I love how this manga is a bit realistic but that scene was meh. And Eren. That filler they make Eren a weak, undeciding idiot. Where the hell was his resolve? And that scene where mikasa and armin risk their lives for him isn't enough to make him transform?Really? All those soldiers dead, his squad dead, is ot enough for him to hate Annie? i hope they wont make this mistakes again. |
Sep 22, 2013 9:26 PM
#575
Levi_Squad said: Pipoko said: MightyTALOS said: Darklight0303 said: MightyTALOS said: I dont like the way they presented eren's transformation in this, I mean its like he seems so weak in the anime that they have to make him half dead and impaled on a piece of wood to transform, The episode was fucking A tho... At least eren gets way stronger in the manga....cuz in the anime he seems the weakest..... 10/10 He is the weakest among the titan shifters Yeah about the titan shifters i agree but i mean like his personality and resolve here was so weak Oh and the scared cat in the end :<< How the hell is throwing aside your humanity while having a wooden stick sticking out you weak? Oh hell he's weak. Come on she transformed right in front of him and Eren asked Armin and Mikasa how can they fight her? The real question is why cant he fight her, did he have feelings for her, were the close? NO..Did eren forgot how she killed his squad and all other soldiers before? Why the hell would hesitate so much? Everyone's fighting and he's just mopping there. Yep WEAK.. Well, at least people can stop calling him a psychopath with no feelings. The fact that Eren showed that hesitation is actually a good thing, even if he had to throw that humanity away by the end of the episode. |
Sep 22, 2013 9:29 PM
#576
| Eren was maddddd this episode He was ANGRY |
Sep 22, 2013 9:35 PM
#577
| That Transformation scene. |
Sep 22, 2013 9:35 PM
#578
ibrahim2712 said: Eren was maddddd this episode He was ANGRY You could say: Eren, are you mad bro? |
Sep 22, 2013 9:52 PM
#579
| Amazing episode! Seeing Eren getting up despite aggravating his chest wound from the planks really fired me up. On an amusing note, he would have died from his injuries if he had failed to transform. It looks like the fighting will take place during the last episode as expected. I'm pleased to see Jean looking at the Military Police condescendingly in the midst of their confusion. He sure is glad that he changed for the better. My favourite character by far. |
Sep 22, 2013 10:23 PM
#580
Pipoko said: Levi_Squad said: Oh hell he's weak. Come on she transformed right in front of him and Eren asked Armin and Mikasa how can they fight her? The real question is why cant he fight her, did he have feelings for her, were the close? NO..Did eren forgot how she killed his squad and all other soldiers before? Why the hell would hesitate so much? Everyone's fighting and he's just mopping there. Yep WEAK.. Well, at least people can stop calling him a psychopath with no feelings. The fact that Eren showed that hesitation is actually a good thing, even if he had to throw that humanity away by the end of the episode. Well, it depends on how we view that situation I suppose. Either he is weak or he just doesn't want to fight Annie. I don't believe he's that weak, so I think it might be the latter. |
Sep 22, 2013 10:45 PM
#581
| Second to last ep and all, I haven't watched it since I dropped it a while back, but judging from the comments here I guess I was spot on in predicting where it would end. |
Sep 22, 2013 11:05 PM
#582
yuquall said: Pipoko said: Levi_Squad said: Oh hell he's weak. Come on she transformed right in front of him and Eren asked Armin and Mikasa how can they fight her? The real question is why cant he fight her, did he have feelings for her, were the close? NO..Did eren forgot how she killed his squad and all other soldiers before? Why the hell would hesitate so much? Everyone's fighting and he's just mopping there. Yep WEAK.. Well, at least people can stop calling him a psychopath with no feelings. The fact that Eren showed that hesitation is actually a good thing, even if he had to throw that humanity away by the end of the episode. Well, it depends on how we view that situation I suppose. Either he is weak or he just doesn't want to fight Annie. I don't believe he's that weak, so I think it might be the latter. I agree with you. I think people are overlooking the fact that Annie was essentially Eren's mentor during their days in the Training Corps. in which, not only was she the one who taught him how to fight in hand-to-hand combat, she was also the first person to drastically change his viewpoint regarding the military system thus becoming huge influence on him. It'd make sense why he'd be so hesitant to fight her considering the special bond he had formed with her during their days in the Training Corps. I don't think it helps that the anime skipped other scenes that showed Eren interacting more with Annie, and it really doesn't help in establishing Eren's hesitation in this episode and why he feels so bad about the situation. The same could be said on Annie's part and why she respects Eren so much in the first place. Heck, Eren is the only person that ever actually made Annie genuinely smile, which in of itself a pretty big deal in terms of showcasing how connected the two were supposed to be: http://www.mangapanda.com/shingeki-no-kyojin/14/32 Still it's too early to tell of course. For all I know, they could be saving up all the Eren/Annie scenes for the last episode. I just hope that they don't just stick with Eren going all RAGE MODE and actually convey his clear-minded view during the fight when he was trying to deduce Annie's motives for doing what she's doing, because really, that would just kill the point and outright remove a specific part of his character development. |
ronriSep 22, 2013 11:21 PM
Sep 22, 2013 11:17 PM
#583
ronri said: yuquall said: Pipoko said: Levi_Squad said: Oh hell he's weak. Come on she transformed right in front of him and Eren asked Armin and Mikasa how can they fight her? The real question is why cant he fight her, did he have feelings for her, were the close? NO..Did eren forgot how she killed his squad and all other soldiers before? Why the hell would hesitate so much? Everyone's fighting and he's just mopping there. Yep WEAK.. Well, at least people can stop calling him a psychopath with no feelings. The fact that Eren showed that hesitation is actually a good thing, even if he had to throw that humanity away by the end of the episode. Well, it depends on how we view that situation I suppose. Either he is weak or he just doesn't want to fight Annie. I don't believe he's that weak, so I think it might be the latter. I agree with you. I think people are overlooking the fact that Annie was essentially Eren's mentor during their days in the Training Corps. in which, not only was she the one who taught him how to fight in hand-to-hand combat, she was also the first person to drastically change his viewpoint regarding the military system thus becoming huge influence on him. It'd make sense why he'd be so hesitant to fight her considering the special bond he had formed with her during their days in the Training Corps. I don't know think it helps that the anime skipped other scenes the showed Eren interacting more with Annie, and it really doesn't help in establishing Eren's hesitation in this episode and why he feels so bad about the situation. The same could be said on Annie's part and why she respects Eren so much in the first place. Heck, Eren is the only person that ever actually made Annie genuinely smile, which in of itself a pretty big deal in terms of showcasing how connected the two were supposed to be: http://www.mangapanda.com/shingeki-no-kyojin/14/32 Still it's too early to tell of course. For all I know, they could be saving up all the Eren/Annie scenes for the last episode. There are a number of things that the anime REALLY should have included. Maybe next episode, I dunno. Then wouldn't have such complaints. I'd say the Studio could have done better here. Not everything needs to be shown to the audience, however there are some things that need to be seen. A good flashback of Eren and Annie's interactions is one of them. |
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Sep 22, 2013 11:19 PM
#584
HalfMetalJacket said: There are a number of things that the anime REALLY should have included. Maybe next episode, I dunno. Then wouldn't have such complaints. I'd say the Studio could have done better here. Not everything needs to be shown to the audience, however there are some things that need to be seen. A good flashback of Eren and Annie's interactions is one of them. Oh yeah I definitely agree, rather at this point I'm just taking this more as an adaptation with added material that could be considered canon (specifically Levi and Jean's added screentime). I'll post the extra stuff I wrote in my previous post since I edited it after you just replied to it: I just hope that they don't just stick with Eren going all RAGE MODE and actually convey his clear-minded view during the fight when he was trying to deduce Annie's motives for doing what she's doing, because really, that would just kill the point and outright remove a specific part of his character development. |
Sep 22, 2013 11:25 PM
#585
| oh man the episode ended when the real fun HAD BEGAN eren became a titan and kicked the ass of the female titan thou he had this log pierced into his heart :) |
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Sep 22, 2013 11:28 PM
#586
ronri said: I just hope that they don't just stick with Eren going all RAGE MODE and actually convey his clear-minded view during the fight when he was trying to deduce Annie's motives for doing what she's doing, because really, that would just kill the point and outright remove a specific part of his character development. I might actually dock SNK 1 point if they do that. An idea to get Eren back on track! Maybe when Eren realises he just punched FT into some people (the folks in the church), he suddenly realises what he's done and perhaps calms down? I dunno, just being hopeful here. |
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Sep 22, 2013 11:29 PM
#587
ronri said: HalfMetalJacket said: There are a number of things that the anime REALLY should have included. Maybe next episode, I dunno. Then wouldn't have such complaints. I'd say the Studio could have done better here. Not everything needs to be shown to the audience, however there are some things that need to be seen. A good flashback of Eren and Annie's interactions is one of them. Oh yeah I definitely agree, rather at this point I'm just taking this more as an adaptation with added material that could be considered canon (specifically Levi and Jean's added screentime). I'll post the extra stuff I wrote in my previous post since I edited it after you just replied to it: I just hope that they don't just stick with Eren going all RAGE MODE and actually convey his clear-minded view during the fight when he was trying to deduce Annie's motives for doing what she's doing, because really, that would just kill the point and outright remove a specific part of his character development. Maybe that was why they modified Annie's speech last episode? To imply that she had a certain feeling or respect for Eren instead of showing the flashbacks? It's a shame that they cut out significant things and rather to prolong unnecessary drama scenes. |
Sep 22, 2013 11:31 PM
#588
yuquall said: ronri said: HalfMetalJacket said: There are a number of things that the anime REALLY should have included. Maybe next episode, I dunno. Then wouldn't have such complaints. I'd say the Studio could have done better here. Not everything needs to be shown to the audience, however there are some things that need to be seen. A good flashback of Eren and Annie's interactions is one of them. Oh yeah I definitely agree, rather at this point I'm just taking this more as an adaptation with added material that could be considered canon (specifically Levi and Jean's added screentime). I'll post the extra stuff I wrote in my previous post since I edited it after you just replied to it: I just hope that they don't just stick with Eren going all RAGE MODE and actually convey his clear-minded view during the fight when he was trying to deduce Annie's motives for doing what she's doing, because really, that would just kill the point and outright remove a specific part of his character development. Maybe that was why they modified Annie's speech last episode? To imply that she had a certain feeling or respect for Eren instead of showing the flashbacks? It's a shame that they cut out significant things and rather to prolong unnecessary drama scenes. Fingers crossed they slap flashbacks of their interactions next episode. |
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Sep 22, 2013 11:34 PM
#589
HalfMetalJacket said: ronri said: I just hope that they don't just stick with Eren going all RAGE MODE and actually convey his clear-minded view during the fight when he was trying to deduce Annie's motives for doing what she's doing, because really, that would just kill the point and outright remove a specific part of his character development. I might actually dock SNK 1 point if they do that. An idea to get Eren back on track! Maybe when Eren realises he just punched FT into some people (the folks in the church), he suddenly realises what he's done and perhaps calms down? I dunno, just being hopeful here.Well, we don't know for sure if they are going with that, since we didn't see any people there. |
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Sep 22, 2013 11:40 PM
#590
HalfMetalJacket said: yuquall said: ronri said: HalfMetalJacket said: There are a number of things that the anime REALLY should have included. Maybe next episode, I dunno. Then wouldn't have such complaints. I'd say the Studio could have done better here. Not everything needs to be shown to the audience, however there are some things that need to be seen. A good flashback of Eren and Annie's interactions is one of them. Oh yeah I definitely agree, rather at this point I'm just taking this more as an adaptation with added material that could be considered canon (specifically Levi and Jean's added screentime). I'll post the extra stuff I wrote in my previous post since I edited it after you just replied to it: I just hope that they don't just stick with Eren going all RAGE MODE and actually convey his clear-minded view during the fight when he was trying to deduce Annie's motives for doing what she's doing, because really, that would just kill the point and outright remove a specific part of his character development. Maybe that was why they modified Annie's speech last episode? To imply that she had a certain feeling or respect for Eren instead of showing the flashbacks? It's a shame that they cut out significant things and rather to prolong unnecessary drama scenes. Fingers crossed they slap flashbacks of their interactions next episode. I'll even cross my toes too for those. |
Sep 22, 2013 11:45 PM
#591
yuquall said: HalfMetalJacket said: yuquall said: ronri said: HalfMetalJacket said: There are a number of things that the anime REALLY should have included. Maybe next episode, I dunno. Then wouldn't have such complaints. I'd say the Studio could have done better here. Not everything needs to be shown to the audience, however there are some things that need to be seen. A good flashback of Eren and Annie's interactions is one of them. Oh yeah I definitely agree, rather at this point I'm just taking this more as an adaptation with added material that could be considered canon (specifically Levi and Jean's added screentime). I'll post the extra stuff I wrote in my previous post since I edited it after you just replied to it: I just hope that they don't just stick with Eren going all RAGE MODE and actually convey his clear-minded view during the fight when he was trying to deduce Annie's motives for doing what she's doing, because really, that would just kill the point and outright remove a specific part of his character development. Maybe that was why they modified Annie's speech last episode? To imply that she had a certain feeling or respect for Eren instead of showing the flashbacks? It's a shame that they cut out significant things and rather to prolong unnecessary drama scenes. Fingers crossed they slap flashbacks of their interactions next episode. I'll even cross my toes too for those. Pretty much this. |
Sep 22, 2013 11:47 PM
#592
VioLink said: http://i.imgur.com/jEUQIR7.jpg End card by the anime character designer this week. 1 for 1 more episode :( (Happy and sad at the same time) |
Sep 22, 2013 11:52 PM
#593
| The whole transformation scene wasn't him just raging. It was him struggling with putting his morality aside here because he had to fight. It was a in-the-moment thing like Annie's laugh. It's as much a part of his character as the whole "maturing" thing. The "maturing" goes along with losing his humanity. Hmm.. Yeah..Eren's actually a pretty interesting character despite not being that conventionally likeable. |
Sep 22, 2013 11:59 PM
#594
| If they include the flashbacks of Annie and Eren training together, then we (anime viewers) would further understand Eren's predicament. I would love to see that. I hope they include Mikasa's reaction to all of this be it from manga or added filler because her inquiry about them during the tunnel scene was epic. Hoping Mikasa says this: "Naze, naze Eren? Kanojo wa anata o uso to kizutsukeru shinagara watashi wa, anata ga anzen ni tamotsu. Naze.. ?" I hope I got that right hehe. |
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Sep 22, 2013 11:59 PM
#595
n10sity said: My thoughts on the punch: Like others have already said, I believe Annie heard the thunder/lightning and waited for Eren to come to her. However, due to the layout of the city and the tall buildings. I don't think she could pinpoint from which direction Eren was approaching due to the echoes. I believe the animators tried to show this but I'm not sure they did so effectively. We know from the fight in the forest how fast Eren is in his Titan form. So I believe by the time she noticed which direction Eren was coming from she caught a fist to the face. That's what I believe. This does not sound very convincing. The direction of the sound would at least have given her an indication of where to expect Eren. The lightning would have pinpointed it. She had her BACK turned to that side, however. The most reasonable guess would be that she LET Eren come after her, and just waited for him. But the problem with that is, that she definitely acted surprised when he showed up. You can't be surprised by someone you expected to come after you. And it still wouldn't explain why she wasn't facing the right direction. |
Sep 23, 2013 12:04 AM
#596
AnimageNeby said: n10sity said: My thoughts on the punch: Like others have already said, I believe Annie heard the thunder/lightning and waited for Eren to come to her. However, due to the layout of the city and the tall buildings. I don't think she could pinpoint from which direction Eren was approaching due to the echoes. I believe the animators tried to show this but I'm not sure they did so effectively. We know from the fight in the forest how fast Eren is in his Titan form. So I believe by the time she noticed which direction Eren was coming from she caught a fist to the face. That's what I believe. This does not sound very convincing. The direction of the sound would at least have given her an indication of where to expect Eren. The lightning would have pinpointed it. She had her BACK turned to that side, however. The most reasonable guess would be that she LET Eren come after her, and just waited for him. But the problem with that is, that she definitely acted surprised when he showed up. You can't be surprised by someone you expected to come after you. And it still wouldn't explain why she wasn't facing the right direction. Here's one theory out of the box... What if she wanted to be punched? Most people who do heinous crimes and get away with it have a certain level wanting to be caught. |
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Sep 23, 2013 12:22 AM
#597
Torrible said: The only problem with the running scene is where Eren started his run. The layout: Buildings → row of trees → cathedral. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/annie%20back.jpg After punching Annie initially, he actually took an additional step forward and ended up past the buildings: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/eren2.jpg But when he started his run again, he was way back. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/eren.jpg My conclusion is that Titan Eren took a few steps back offscreen after punching Annie. Who knows why? Maybe to get a large enough running start to do a high enough leap in order to perform a powerful enough sumo slam on her. Don't forget the buildings and trees provide a certain illusion of distance. Look at the first picture, the row of trees is a mere step for Titan Annie, but when Eren was running at the very end, the distance between the trees looked huge. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/eren%20running.jpg Maybe it's the camera angle or maybe the director wanted to exaggerate the running scene a little but ultimately it is no biggie, unless you really really want to be pedantic about it. And this made me laugh: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48695418/horseface.jpg No, it's just an oversight. This is what I mean by people inventing whatever explanation just to not to have acknowledge there was an error in the anime. He punched her, so he couldn't be further than armslength. Furthermore, this is confirmed: we see him at the open space, past the street. The next scene we see him running down the street for several seconds, seeing how many houses he past, it must have been several dozens of meters back. Was this a flashback? No, because we also see FT laying there in the rumble of the building, so he already punched her. There is no reason for Eren to go hundred meters back, just to run at her again. It makes no sense: he would give Annie time to get upright, and it really wouldn't add anything to it that he couldn't already have done the first time around, when he ran at her. Furthermore, it goes contrary to his character at that point, which is being enraged and going straight for her. We also did not see any back-pedalling of Eren. so: it doesn't fit his state of mind, there is no evidence of him returning, and it wouldn't make sense to go back that far. I think we can safely assume the most likely is, that it was an oversight of the developers, or, at best, a way to dramatise/have another cliffhanger at the end of this episode. I agree with you it's no biggie, but let's just accept there was something wrong with it, instead of inventing some wild excuses and speculating the heck of it to try to explain it. Because, no, Eren did not go 100m back in the street first (I think deep down, everyone knows this), and no, it's not due to the camera angle. It was either a mistake, or an inconsistency introduced for dramatic purposes. |
AnimageNebySep 23, 2013 1:42 AM
Sep 23, 2013 12:43 AM
#598
| Holy fucking shit. Dat animation. Dat budget. Dat Production I.G Well played. 99999/10 |
Sep 23, 2013 12:46 AM
#599
| Maybe Annie thought some friends were coming when she heard the transformation? She could very well be in league with the Colossal and Armoured titans. Maybe there are titan shifters amongst the residents? I'm using Diranko's possibilities in case your wondering. But the oversight is unmistakable. |
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Sep 23, 2013 1:10 AM
#600
Janethan23 said: AnimageNeby said: n10sity said: My thoughts on the punch: Like others have already said, I believe Annie heard the thunder/lightning and waited for Eren to come to her. However, due to the layout of the city and the tall buildings. I don't think she could pinpoint from which direction Eren was approaching due to the echoes. I believe the animators tried to show this but I'm not sure they did so effectively. We know from the fight in the forest how fast Eren is in his Titan form. So I believe by the time she noticed which direction Eren was coming from she caught a fist to the face. That's what I believe. This does not sound very convincing. The direction of the sound would at least have given her an indication of where to expect Eren. The lightning would have pinpointed it. She had her BACK turned to that side, however. The most reasonable guess would be that she LET Eren come after her, and just waited for him. But the problem with that is, that she definitely acted surprised when he showed up. You can't be surprised by someone you expected to come after you. And it still wouldn't explain why she wasn't facing the right direction. Here's one theory out of the box... What if she wanted to be punched? Most people who do heinous crimes and get away with it have a certain level wanting to be caught. Ugh, that's not it at all, I really don't see how you could come to that conclusion given what you just saw. |
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