Attack on Titan
| To be frank I preferred the manga. This part bored me immensely and I read it all in about 20 minutes. Here it gets dragged out over multiple hours. The second half of this show yet to air will probably be much better judging by how much they are dragging it out here. |
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| Did someone say "People don't know hard it is to make an episode", and then someone else said, "The adaption is following the manga panel by panel". Am I the only one who sees the irony here? |
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| I prefer slow paced shows than rushed shit, although I do feel like SnK is dragging it out a little too much. |
| People complain because the last 3 episodes ended up being a build up, always finishing on a cliffhanger that would make us think the next episode would be action packed, full of moments like the first 8 episodes and so on and so forth. Episodes like these by the end of the anime are not a big deal, they also end up developing the characters the right way and are not a bother to those who want to watch the complete series. Even if they were comparatively slow paced, its better not to leave out any details like many other manga adaptations. |
| So, What do you think is on the other side? |
| lets make more useless topics :D!!! |
DawnJ said: Candor said: Summarize what happened in the first 8 episodes. Hard for you? Here you go: Humanity is being killed and destroyed and they're helpless against the titans, no matter how much they trained. The 4 episodes after it: Humans found a way to fight against the titans by using a titan, whom they are still trying to control. What happened other than that? DEEP AND RICH DIALOGUE top lel Also some of the most inspirational speeches in anime history. |
| ^Inspirational speeches? All I can think about is: Humanity this, humanity that. I can't think of a speech as inspirational if they can't even substitute one single word because they want to hammerthe idea of humankind/humanity against a "unbeatable" force into our heads. |
| The pace is just really terrible imo and so many stills.. .. 1/10 dropped |
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| There is plenty of action in the manga. Wind is full of crap |
| My main complaint is not enough Sasha, show is about to get dropped if they don't step it up. |
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| They should speed up the pace on dialogue episodes, imo. |
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Windexlol said: It isn't the greatest shounen, and i didnt say it was. You say shounen is bad but then you ask for more action? What the fuck? There is NOTHING engaging about the action in SnK, they stab a shitty titan in the neck and it dies, or the lesser characters try it and get eaten. Again, this is not a battle shounen, there is no interest in the combat, at all. Fujoshis sucking Levi, that's what keeps SnK going |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
Vox_Populi said: Not only do I disagree, but being one of the top shounen manga isn't necessarily much of an accomplishment. EDIT: You must be smoking something good. |
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Jyupita said: Vox_Populi said: Not only do I disagree, but being one of the top shounen manga isn't necessarily much of an accomplishment. EDIT: You must be smoking something good. Agreed. There is nothing interesting about them killing normal titans. They stab it in the neck and it dies, or oh no they get eaten. It isn't interesting, because it isn't the focus of the series. |
| It's because we have been shown some top notch action the first few episodes and it suddenly drops to a lot of dialogues. 2 episodes is okay, 3 I can work with that.. but 4? Wow we want to see Eren cover the hole already.. how long is that gonna take? Just pick up and throw and maybe a few moments of Mikasa blushing here and there not Rico talking shit and mighty and then gets all cowardly because the plan flanked a bit. I'm hoping this Trost or whatever arc ends at the 13th episode and move on already! Personally I would never quit halfway on an Anime but this is just starting to get on my nerve. Dropped rating to 8/10 for me. |
| Yeah seeing, "Battle of Trost District Part: 8" kinda makes me feel tired, we see good dialogue and insight into the characters, but still I agree with the above at how Wall Maria came and went in what- two episodes? Keeping the battle sustained for so long, is probably the reason I'm getting tired, I'd like a breather and no, Armin's speeches and Pixis motivating soldiers is hardly achieving that. I guess I'm looking for SnK to develop its characters or do something without the use of prolonged fighting. Obviously there's all that stuff about oh the whole show revolves around people being attacked by Titans, but surely that doesn't mean there isn't room for a bit of change of pace. |
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Tensho said: Yeah seeing, "Battle of Trost District Part: 8" kinda makes me feel tired, we see good dialogue and insight into the characters, but still I agree with the above at how Wall Maria came and went in what- two episodes? Keeping the battle sustained for so long, is probably the reason I'm getting tired, I'd like a breather and no, Armin's speeches and Pixis motivating soldiers is hardly achieving that. I guess I'm looking for SnK to develop its characters or do something without the use of prolonged fighting. Obviously there's all that stuff about oh the whole show revolves around people being attacked by Titans, but surely that doesn't mean there isn't room for a bit of change of pace. Then you will like the parts after Trost. |
| Because they don't like the pacing? |
| Imagine..... Shingeki no Kyojin without dialogues and only actions... HMMMMM....... Fast Pace! :D OGHelios said: WTH are you talking about? I'm referring that to NON manga readers.DenjaX said: As for the topic, I have my bets: 2. People who haven't read the manga mostly have no problem with the pace. I observe people on this subforum so I shouldn't be mistaken. Ehh idk, some people that I've talked to that have read the manga actually think the anime has been moving a bit too slow so far, and hope that they don't have to constrict things in the next arc (which is supposedly much better than this one). Those who think that it is going too slow are those manga readers WHO JUST STARTED reading the manga after the first episode of the anime. (btw, those caps are just for emphasizing the idea, I am not angry even though it sounds like it xDD) |
| I dont need the same overblown speeches that repeats what we've already learned 10 times before. They could've cut most of them down or removed them completely for tighter pacing. Spending 8 episodes on one long battle is a cool idea (as was Endless Eight) but they've dragged it too much. I dont even remember what happened last episode, that's how forgettable that was. |
| Haven't read through the topic fully, but I'll bite. I do enjoy Shingeki no Kyojin and the concept of titans is very interesting to me. But in terms of plot progression, nothing really gets done. We spent like half of the episode just to have Jaeger shout out "I'm human". A lot of it is padded out with monologue and overly-long verbose speeches which mostly does nothing to progress the characters forward at all. It's just padding to keep the tension up and it works now and then, but Shingeki No Kyojin drowns itself in it... to the point where it becomes less tension and more drawing out the scenes to fill episode counts. And I deeply enjoyed it at the start. But after the twist with Jaeger, it started to repeat so many of its tricks that it's a case of "We already seen it". |
| This show's poor pacing through the whole Trost thing left me feeling really "meh" about the payoff in episode 13, finally sealing the wall. Bad pacing can easily kill a show. Trost went on for 2 - 3 episodes too many. They could have fit it all into 6 or 7 instead of 9 if they weren't so bent on stuffing mini recaps into every ep. |
| I can't blame people for complaining about the pacing since the manga's pacing is also pretty bad. Not much content other than cutting up titans and punching titans. |
| people complain about the pacing because in literally any other anime, the events that have taken 13 episodes in this series could would have taken no more than about 6 or 7 episodes, and thats pushing it. youre allowed to take liberties when adapting a manga, thats what the creators and the snk fanboys dont seem to understand. you can read a manga as fast as you want, you cant watch the anime any faster than its shown. not to mention the scenes drag out the dialogue from the manga to a downright laughable extent, when in the mange it was 2-3 panels. in the anime, it can nearly take the whole episode since they take 5 minutes to explain it then every character in earshot has a monologue to go with it, accompanied by a still frame if this was adapted at a reasonable pace, you could still get literally 100% of the dialogue and 'character development (in snk, top lol) in around 7 or 8 episodes. instead of that, we have the humans trying to fight the titans monologue endlessly about shit everyone already knew, and continually repeat it just for good measure. then put it in next episodes recap for even better measure, then put all those recaps into a recap-recap just to be sure that you dont forget. there are so many other series that do in 8 episodes what SNK wont be likely to do this season, assuming the anime ends it after the female titan arc. steins gate, even though fans agree the first 8ish episodes are slow as fuck, we still got 10x the plot in the same time, we get an in depth explanation to the d-mails, all the main characters who had actual depth outside of 'lol ima kill all dem titans, lol ima a perfect soldier who loves the mc and i have the depth of a shallow puddle, and im an psuedo emo even perfecter soldier thats tired of it all. evangelion. you couldnt even write 10 paragraphs to summarize what we got in the first 8 episodes of eva. ttgl, we have humanity being a oppressed race, then subsequently escaping, forming a species wide resistance, finding out the reason humanity was oppressed, character development up the ass, main characters dying, a culmination of humanity overthrowing its oppressors and shit tonnes of actual animation to go with it, and that all in the same amount of episodes SNK already has. what have we got from SNK humanity is nearly wiped out hundreds of years ago, then they find some walls and grow complacent for 100ish years. then in the year...shit i forgot, what year did the titans attack, they never tell us the collosal titan breaks the wall, hundreds die, they retreat to the next wall, our main characters all pass through training 5 years later, exact same shit happens. humans get slaughtered again, effortlessly eren now becomes a meat mecha. 5 episodes of talking and monologues and recaps eren moves the boulder now youre up to date on 13 episodes (technically 14) of SNK inb4 darklight replies with a stock response of hater or troll. try something new |
eldestJul 1, 2013 11:25 PM
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| Why? Because the pacing is about as bad as anything I've ever seen. Cue the idiots coming here to tell me that I'm an action junkie and don't like character development... except all this stupid show has been is mindless action and the reason I'm bitching is because the character development is atrocious when it exists, and it barely exists at all. Ham-fisted and heavy-handed. The Trost battle has taken 8 episodes... EIGHT EPISODES! What the fuck is that? We've achieved like three fucking plot points in all that time. They literally waste entire episodes on completely irrelevant and meaningless bullshit just to create cheesy "drama" and I'm starting to think that whoever made this pile has never even heard of dramatic tension. I was seriously laughing at the scene where Armin (still useless) was giving yet another speech to Eren about why he fights... as if we haven't already established like 10,000 times why Eren fights. And then they have Eren give another speech right after. And what is it about? You guessed it: why he fights... And this is all BAD PACING. It's the creators and directors and writers wanting to form-fit the show to the right amount of episodes without thinking if whether it even fits with that episode structure. It takes sooooo long to do anything in this show. If all that time was spent actually DOING SOMETHING (I don't mean action) then I wouldn't mind, but it is 99% of the time characters repeating themselves. It would be fascinating if it wasn't so atrocious. If the manga actually has all these scenes than that is pathetic. Straight up. This wouldn't pass in a Creative Writing 101 class... The mindless action and the "we have to reiterate everything one million times" are the two biggest flaws in this show, and they've become so huge that they make it almost a joke. The pacing of this thing is laughable. |
| Let's go bowling. |
StopDropAndBowl said: Why? Because the pacing is about as bad as anything I've ever seen. Cue the idiots coming here to tell me that I'm an action junkie and don't like character development... except all this stupid show has been is mindless action and the reason I'm bitching is because the character development is atrocious when it exists, and it barely exists at all. Ham-fisted and heavy-handed. The Trost battle has taken 8 episodes... EIGHT EPISODES! What the fuck is that? We've achieved like three fucking plot points in all that time. They literally waste entire episodes on completely irrelevant and meaningless bullshit just to create cheesy "drama" and I'm starting to think that whoever made this pile has never even heard of dramatic tension. I was seriously laughing at the scene where Armin (still useless) was giving yet another speech to Eren about why he fights... as if we haven't already established like 10,000 times why Eren fights. And then they have Eren give another speech right after. And what is it about? You guessed it: why he fights... And this is all BAD PACING. It's the creators and directors and writers wanting to form-fit the show to the right amount of episodes without thinking if whether it even fits with that episode structure. It takes sooooo long to do anything in this show. If all that time was spent actually DOING SOMETHING (I don't mean action) then I wouldn't mind, but it is 99% of the time characters repeating themselves. It would be fascinating if it wasn't so atrocious. If the manga actually has all these scenes than that is pathetic. Straight up. This wouldn't pass in a Creative Writing 101 class... The mindless action and the "we have to reiterate everything one million times" are the two biggest flaws in this show, and they've become so huge that they make it almost a joke. The pacing of this thing is laughable. nope post irrelevant, youre just an action junkie who cant handle real plot development and youre mad that your favorite anime is no longer top and SNK is selling 3x better youre just a mad hater, good riddance if you drop this show, you wont be missed the funny thing is, ive actually had every single line in that comment replied to me at one point or another from snk fanboys on topic, i completely agree with you |
eldestJul 2, 2013 2:07 AM
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eldest said: StopDropAndBowl said: nope post irrelevant, youre just an action junkie who cant handle real plot development and youre mad that your favorite anime is no longer top and SNK is selling 3x better youre just a mad hater, good riddance if you drop this show, you wont be missed the funny thing is, ive actually had every single line in that comment replied to me at one point or another from snk fanboys on topic, i completely agree with you For a second I was about to facepalm but then I saw the other part and I lol'd at how accurate this is. On a side note, I won't drop the show, if only to see if they can somehow pull themselves out of the hole they've dug. |
| Let's go bowling. |
StopDropAndBowl said: For a second I was about to facepalm but then I saw the other part and I lol'd at how accurate this is. On a side note, I won't drop the show, if only to see if they can somehow pull themselves out of the hole they've dug. for now, ive put it on hold, pending being dropped assuming this shit continues. in the mean time, ive been biding my time with that glorious ttgl bluray boxset. if it actually picks back up like the fans so insistently like to claim it will, i might give it another shot once it finishes airing |
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| I was actually surprised Eren sealed up the hole already. I figured like 3 episodes of him carrying the damn rock. |
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| oh come on guys, just stop this flamewar already, you just can't win against hardcore SnK fanboys |
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eldest said: StopDropAndBowl said: For a second I was about to facepalm but then I saw the other part and I lol'd at how accurate this is. On a side note, I won't drop the show, if only to see if they can somehow pull themselves out of the hole they've dug. for now, ive put it on hold, pending being dropped assuming this shit continues. in the mean time, ive been biding my time with that glorious ttgl bluray boxset. if it actually picks back up like the fans so insistently like to claim it will, i might give it another shot once it finishes airing Just drop it. It will be nice to not have to see you around the threads anymore. |
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