| Why would we need a hardon collider. Shooting loads of electrons can't be that fun can it? |
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Cipro said: Why would we need a hardon collider. Shooting loads of electrons can't be that fun can it? Either that was intentional or that just happened to work out really well. |
| Electrons are leptons though, and not hadrons :P And we need them to test hypotheses and find new data. This could falsify or reinforce string theory, for example. I can see tons of other, more pressing issues we could lavish these massive amounts of money, but that applies to pretty much anything us humans do nowadays. And progress in understanding of nature means progress in technology most of the time. |
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| It'll be at full power apparently in a few months, or before 2010. Probably read it in here...or saw it on TV. Anyway, i'd love to see where this goes, black hole or not. ;) BTW, is it just me... Or do other people keep seeing/thinking "Large Hardon Collider' instead? >__> |
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Sticks said: BTW, is it just me... Or do other people keep seeing/thinking "Large Hardon Collider' instead? >__> That's what I found funny about Cipro's post :P The D and R keys are just so close to each other. |
| The funniest thing I heard was Stephen Hawking saying he wanted the LHC to fail in its quest to find the Higgs, just so everyone would have to go back to the drawing board! |
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| This is about as funny. Kids, don't try his logic and "physics" at home. I heard it causes cancer. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: This is about as funny. Kids, don't try his logic and "physics" at home. I heard it causes cancer. This guy is too old for shit like that. |
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| Yeah, Steve Hawkings bet $100 that we won't find it XD, just funny |
| Actually, any amount of mass can create a black hole. While our sun indeed doesn't have enough mass to go through a black hole collapse at the end of its life you can still compress anything to a black hole. A spoon, a grain of sand, anything - in fact there's probably small black holes at quantum levels spontanteously forming here and there, maybe even near you. In the case of the micro black holes as those in the LHC scenario they are so small Hawking radiation will make sure they evaporate before we could even lose a bacteria to them. I'm such a geek for pretending to know anything about this. |
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| I admit to actually being petrified on Wednesday. Since that attempt failed at creating a black hole I have all of their other attempts to look forward to. -is holding an end-of-the-world party- |
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| Would people feel pain when you get sucked (I've no idea if I'm using the correct words to describe this) into a black hole? Hypothetically speaking. |
wiki said: As an infalling object approaches the singularity, tidal forces acting on it approach infinity. All components of the object, including atoms and subatomic particles, are torn away from each other before striking the singularity. At the singularity itself, effects are unknown; it is believed that a theory of quantum gravity is needed to accurately describe events near it. I'd say yes =/ |
Tachii said: Would people feel pain when you get sucked (I've no idea if I'm using the correct words to describe this) into a black hole? Hypothetically speaking. I frankly have no idea. I don't think so - it happens too fast for you to notice anything. On the other hand, time dilation would make sure it DID take a lot of time for you (infinity), but I don't think physical processes work at all then, it's more of a time-stands-still thing. ...Heck. I don't know. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Tachii said: Would people feel pain when you get sucked (I've no idea if I'm using the correct words to describe this) into a black hole? Hypothetically speaking. I frankly have no idea. I don't think so - it happens too fast for you to notice anything. On the other hand, time dilation would make sure it DID take a lot of time for you (infinity), but I don't think physical processes work at all then, it's more of a time-stands-still thing. ...Heck. I don't know. Suddenly, dying by black hole doesn't sound so appealing anymore. |
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Neverender said: Suddenly, dying by black hole doesn't sound so appealing anymore. Wait...it sounded appealing in the first place? |
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| I would definitely say no. It would happen so fast, there'd be no time for pain, I would wager. Just how sitting beside a nuclear explosion when it goes up is a painless and quick death. Actually, any sufficiently strong enough bomb is. I don't think you could hold any conscious thought in the time it takes to swallow the whole earth in a black hole. However, the large hadron collider has way too insufficient energy to cause black holes that have any influence on earth. Not to mention that, nobody ever thought that MAYBE this guys there, which studied nearly all their life what happens with physics, could like, MAYBE actually know what the fuck they are doing? Like, how they have all this time? |
LolitaDecay said: Neverender said: Suddenly, dying by black hole doesn't sound so appealing anymore. Wait...it sounded appealing in the first place? I wanted to find out what was at the bottom, even if I became a noodle in the process. Not anymore tho |
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| Usually Wikipedia sounds like a lot of non-sense if you have no knowledge in the area, and that word passage certainly sounds like it needs to "simple English please?" I should probably go learn more physics/chemistry before I get to know the pain of having your body breaking up at an atomic level in slow motion, or whatever motion it is in... |
| Well, pain isn't instantly transferred. It travels around 300 km/s if I recall correctly. That's far slower than the speed with which you disintegrate. I'm now certain you won't feel any pain by black hole death, thanks to errorabbit. I agree on the wiki stuff though. Especially the articles on maths are incomprehensible. |
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| Ah, that makes more sense. errorabbit said: Well, I would assume they have an incredible knowledge in physics, quantum mechanics, etcetc. Except they are still unknown about the beginning of the world and similar unanswerable questions. They only have theories, and probabilities that do not reach 100%. Iduno, the probability of death is there, however small. But normal civilians might be getting a bit too excited/rash/(superstitious) for this.Not to mention that, nobody ever thought that MAYBE this guys there, which studied nearly all their life what happens with physics, could like, MAYBE actually know what the fuck they are doing? Like, how they have all this time? |
| It would be nice to not find the Higgs. After all, not finding where you expect it to be is as much a result as finding it. It would give the theoretical physicists more work to do too. |
| Seeing Stephan Hawkins joking about having an end of the world party on live tv worked wonders for my nerves. /sarcasm |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Well, pain isn't instantly transferred. It travels around 300 km/s if I recall correctly. That's far slower than the speed with which you disintegrate. I'm now certain you won't feel any pain by black hole death, thanks to errorabbit. I agree on the wiki stuff though. Especially the articles on maths are incomprehensible. Yeah, electrical impulses travel around that speed via nerves. If you're talking about a Quantum Singularity you would assimilate not disintegrate. Not sure if that's what you were talking about though... |
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| Actually, an observer falling into a black hole will hit the singularity in a finite (and generally very small) period of time. Someone outside will never see the person ever get in though. Also, electrical impulses are transmitted at only about 300 kilometres per hour, not kilometres per second. Electricity flows at nearly the speed of light, but impulses in nerves are limited to the speed at which the intracellular and extracellular potentials can be reversed (i.e. how fast potassium ions can get out and sodium ions can get in) and the speed at which neurotransmitters can be released and interpreted. And as for the "but we're not 100% sure it's safe" thoughts, you guys should get over it already. Really, why doesn't the Sun suddenly disappear, or why doesn't friction simply stop existing and we all condense with the Earth into a sphere(oid) bound only by gravity? Just as we might be wrong about quantum mechanics/particle physics/whatever, we might have a fundamentally wrong view on something much simpler, and it might also spell our death. Empirical evidence however confirms that the laws of the Universe hold with time, and don't just change randomly. If the Standard Model has made consistently good predictions, why should you worry about it failing in favour of something with scarce experimental evidence? If you're not at ease with an empirical argument, here's a mathematical one. To make a black hole you have to squeeze mass (or energy, one implies the other does it not?) into a VERY small space to achieve conditions that could produce black holes. Specifically, the Schwarzchild radius for a mass of 10 PeV, which is higher than even the lead-lead collisions the LHC is capable of working with, is around 10^-31 m, which is 10 quadrillion times smaller than a proton. There is no equipment on Earth capable of even measuring 10^-20 m currently, and much less operate with those scales. Even if the extremely improbable event of one being formed actually happens, it's probably going to fly through ordinary matter in much the same way a neutrino does, except it might interact with matter even less (neutrinos interact by gravity, since they have been proven to possess mass, and by the weak force, while AFAIK black holes have no weak hypercharge, colour or electrical charge; only gravity would be involved. Granted, the LHC micro black hole would weigh considerably more than a neutrino, and therefore feel more gravitational force, but gravity is so inherently weak at those scales that the Standard Model doesn't even take it into account and yet is a formidably precise theory). And considering you need a wall of lead a light-year thick to block half the neutrinos that pass through it, I'm pretty sure that is saying something. That's about my take on it, of course. Feel free to criticize. Edit: Made a mistake in the Schwarzchild radius calculation, so I updated it. |
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Neverender said: Yes, a Sakinho post My thoughts exactly. |
| Very informative. By the way 7 pretty big earthquakes happened around the world in 24 hrs due to plate movement - but some people are blaming it on the LHC. >.> |
| Like a few subatomic particles flying around in a circle and smashing into each other can move a few plates. ._. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Actually, any amount of mass can create a black hole. While our sun indeed doesn't have enough mass to go through a black hole collapse at the end of its life you can still compress anything to a black hole. A spoon, a grain of sand, anything - in fact there's probably small black holes at quantum levels spontanteously forming here and there, maybe even near you. In the case of the micro black holes as those in the LHC scenario they are so small Hawking radiation will make sure they evaporate before we could even lose a bacteria to them. I'm such a geek for pretending to know anything about this. Not at all. I like learning about stuff like this. I actually did research on the LHC and the Grid it uses because I find it all so interesting! Also, sakinho, that post was cool. I had to read it about 3 times to get it, but it was cool nonetheless! |
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Sticks said: Rofl. Well all need to blame something for everything that happens. I reckon any natural disasters that come about in the near future will all be pointed back in that direction by some idiot somewhere.Like a few subatomic particles flying around in a circle and smashing into each other can move a few plates. ._. Neverender said: Yay! Well that did calm my nerves. Yes, a Sakinho post |
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| HAhaha. this crap was so hyped up. as if they would let the experiment proceed if the majority of experienced scientists didn't agree it would work fine |
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xnagashi10490x said: They all went along with it because there's a special space colony on Mars for them to retreat to if their experiment turned out wrong.HAhaha. this crap was so hyped up. as if they would let the experiment proceed if the majority of experienced scientists didn't agree it would work fine I kid you not. |
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| She's right. I saw it while I was taking a stroll on Mars just the other day. |
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| Did you forget? We were on Venus just the other day. They have some pretty funky hairstyles there and Steve Hawkins works as a lap dancer. |
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| Oh, no, I'm talking about the OTHER other day. But, yes, I do remember those venusians and their hair quite well. I say, those people might have a screw or two loose. |
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Neverender said: I say, those people might have a screw or two loose. Just like the Large Hadron Collider. Wait. Wut. ... OH CRA- |
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| Like they could do anything from start... |
| not excited.. |
LolitaDecay said: Neverender said: I say, those people might have a screw or two loose. Just like the Large Hadron Collider. Wait. Wut. ... OH CRA- I could have sworn I replied to this. |
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| Why 2012? A doomsday theory in every 4 years? After the Olympics? Eh. |
| I'm still alive and laughing... for now. Some people say it might cause a black hole that will suck the planets nearby earth. Others say that even if it does cause a black hole, it will be too small to actually do anything. I have no idea, also haven't been following the discussion since I'm a lazy ass but even if we do die, it was worth trying. |
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