Toaru Majutsu no Index II Episode 19 Discussion

Yumekichi11 said:
I can only guess but he found the true way of blending magic with tech. welcome to FF3 where magic/tech is evolved enough to use machinery capable of far more devastation.

ZetaZeta said:
The explanation for the battle here is questionable at best. Just because you know how Accel's vector alterations work doesn't mean you can train yourself to react at the precise moment you think Accel will alter the vector. He could arbitrarily alter it at any point. 1 inch from face? 2 inch from face?

Unless science guy could somehow feel the vector being altered, and therefore react to it himself (by pulling back at that moment), just pulling back when he *thinks* accelerator will alter the vector makes no sense.

Let's not even get into the fact that if he touched accelerator, accelerator could reverse the bloodflow in the asshole's body explode his vital organs on the spot, etc. The man took a effing bullet to the head and maintained bloodflow in another person's broken arteries while he was unconscious. don't tell me this wasn't remotely outside of some of these scientists expectations. and why are accelerator's powers exactly the same despite being connected to the Misaka network?

The explanation for this fight is the stupidest thing I ever heard, and made me stop watching the episode, which I had to resume later. I'd accept if there was Magic involved that somehow interfered or something, but such a simple explanation ("Just think of it as stopping right before impact") specifically noting he wasn't a guinea pig for any tech or modifications (so it's all him 100% normal human doing this through physical analysis and motion) is stupid.

tl;dr: stupid, and lazy writing imo just to get a character other than touma who can touch accelerator.

HawthorneKitty said:
I'm glad that Misaka did not appear in the episode, but where is my Index action?

ZetaZeta said:
The explanation for the battle here is questionable at best. Just because you know how Accel's vector alterations work doesn't mean you can train yourself to react at the precise moment you think Accel will alter the vector. He could arbitrarily alter it at any point. 1 inch from face? 2 inch from face?

Unless science guy could somehow feel the vector being altered, and therefore react to it himself (by pulling back at that moment), just pulling back when he *thinks* accelerator will alter the vector makes no sense.

Let's not even get into the fact that if he touched accelerator, accelerator could reverse the bloodflow in the asshole's body explode his vital organs on the spot, etc. The man took a effing bullet to the head and maintained bloodflow in another person's broken arteries while he was unconscious. don't tell me this wasn't remotely outside of some of these scientists expectations. and why are accelerator's powers exactly the same despite being connected to the Misaka network?

The explanation for this fight is the stupidest thing I ever heard, and made me stop watching the episode, which I had to resume later. I'd accept if there was Magic involved that somehow interfered or something, but such a simple explanation ("Just think of it as stopping right before impact") specifically noting he wasn't a guinea pig for any tech or modifications (so it's all him 100% normal human doing this through physical analysis and motion) is stupid.

tl;dr: stupid, and lazy writing imo just to get a character other than touma who can touch accelerator.

belatkuro said:
I agree with ZetaZeta. The concept Kihara does to counter Accelerator is a bit unacceptable.

ARXLaevatein said:


You seem to forget that Accelerator's Redirection is completely automatic, and therefore, has static properties. Accelerator has no way of controlling it, and so Kihara can safely punch away. Accelerator reversing blood flow isn't instantaneous, as well. There's no time for Accelerator to do so, since Kihara's fist is only in contact with his body for a fraction of a second before it's pulled back.

A better complaint would be "Oh, but how can someone be so skilled in reversing their force vectors?" It would require insane amounts of skill, yes, but force can and often does work that way.

Iisan-kun said:
It has to do with timing.
Also, how is flinging Last Order out randomly into the city and having her randomly meet Touma not mere coincidence?

Yumekichi11 said:
I see so that's it. Again great info as Yumekichi11 is enlighten very much. Who knew Aleister is eavesdropping instead of using hsi magic to see around. I assume he uses magic to eavesdrop too.

ZetaZeta said:
The explanation for the battle here is questionable at best. Just because you know how Accel's vector alterations work doesn't mean you can train yourself to react at the precise moment you think Accel will alter the vector. He could arbitrarily alter it at any point. 1 inch from face? 2 inch from face?

Unless science guy could somehow feel the vector being altered, and therefore react to it himself (by pulling back at that moment), just pulling back when he *thinks* accelerator will alter the vector makes no sense.

Let's not even get into the fact that if he touched accelerator, accelerator could reverse the bloodflow in the asshole's body explode his vital organs on the spot, etc. The man took a effing bullet to the head and maintained bloodflow in another person's broken arteries while he was unconscious. don't tell me this wasn't remotely outside of some of these scientists expectations. and why are accelerator's powers exactly the same despite being connected to the Misaka network?

The explanation for this fight is the stupidest thing I ever heard, and made me stop watching the episode, which I had to resume later. I'd accept if there was Magic involved that somehow interfered or something, but such a simple explanation ("Just think of it as stopping right before impact") specifically noting he wasn't a guinea pig for any tech or modifications (so it's all him 100% normal human doing this through physical analysis and motion) is stupid.

tl;dr: stupid, and lazy writing imo just to get a character other than touma who can touch accelerator.

nseika said:
The city is his idea. Even with today's technology, and even more as in science fiction stories, watching everyone when he want to without magic is possible. Don't see why he should bother, especially with magics that other sorcerer might be able to trace back to him instead of using electronic signals that filled the whole city.

Oosran said:
Great episode when Index showed up.

Polarity said:
LASSSST ORDEER the way he says it is so entertaining.

Monad said:
That was a really entertaining and intense episode. They really cut it just about things where getting really good. Can't wait for the next one. That girl from the church that is full of piercings must be some really powerful existence from the way she talked. Don't tell me his gonna lose from another stupid punch from Touma.

Aleister seems to have gave an order for someone to fight against that bitch but i didn't get his instructions very well. Why is he enjoying himself? And what is he anyway? I don't remember the first season so good so i don't remember if their was an explanation.

Monad said:
That was a really entertaining and intense episode. They really cut it just about things where getting really good. Can't wait for the next one. That girl from the church that is full of piercings must be some really powerful existence from the way she talked. Don't tell me his gonna lose from another stupid punch from Touma.

Aleister seems to have gave an order for someone to fight against that bitch but i didn't get his instructions very well. Why is he enjoying himself? And what is he anyway? I don't remember the first season so good so i don't remember if their was an explanation.

Aversa said:
Accelerator turned to his old ways when he killed those guys in the vans tho he was soon stopped by that scientist.
Who used a rather cowardly way to attack Accelerator and who also happened to be pretty sadistic going to such lengths to hurt Accelerator
I wonder what Index will do to help out Accelerator and how will she react to that scientist.

Vento attacking on the same time as the attack on Accelerator might suggest that these attacks are linked, and that Vento probably knew they where attacking him at that time.
Tho she didn't mention anything about Accelerator and i am not sure if she does know about him.
She also mentioned only Index and Imagine Breaker suggesting that that they are seen as the city's best defense and that she doesn't see any of the other students as a threat.

It also became clear that Little Misaka has more roles then just controlling the network of the Misaka clones.
The question is what and why is she so importuned to Aleister.
And what is Aleister planning on doing it seems like he doesn't consider Vento a threat at all even tho she might cause considerable damage to the city.

Papajan said:
I gotta agree with some - the Kihara fight was awkward. I have trouble believing Accel wouldn't have encountered the failing of his reflection in years' worth of insignificant physical interactions. If anything the fight is (in my mind) a message to Accel to get off his high horse and yearn for more power. He could've kicked a rock or something and instantly killed Kihara unless they pulled some other deux ex machina. Or Accel could know from his last fight with Misaka clone that you can attack indirectly.

If I understood Aleister right, he said he wanted to merge Last Order and Hyoka? Would that basically plug Accel into the city's AIM fields and give him control over the AIM fields? Or something more like the multiple abilities of the host node of Level Upper?

Re: Index, it'd be cool if she used some powers like John's Pen mode, but I think we've given up on that.

IndexFanboy214 said:


Kihara was definitely not fightin like a coward.One mistake and he's done for and he's fighting mano y mano. The reason why he's attacking accelerator is because vento invaded

Aversa said:

What is surprising how ever is that Accelerator didn't know about this weakness.
Or at least didn't know how to defend himself against it, i would have expected him to have a back up plan at least.

Aversa said:
I take back that the attack was cowardly any experienced fighter uses his opponents weaknesses to there advantage.
And something any tactician would use on the battlefield.
Kicking your opponent on the head when he is down on the ground and unable to fight is cowardly however.

What is surprising how ever is that Accelerator didn't know about this weakness.
Or at least didn't know how to defend himself against it, i would have expected him to have a back up plan at least.

Dan777 said:
I wonder how long until Kihara dies even if he is weak eventually Accel will kill him.

Index would probably be hated less if she could use John's Pen mode but instead all we get is maigc interceping which is useless here. Well its not like Touma could do anything against guys with guns

Fuze Kazikiri vs Vento of the front next episode, does this mean Kazikiri got an upgrade?

LordRandus said:
KIIIIHHHHAAARRAAAA KUNNN YOOOO!!!

Gangler said:

...Every time someone touches him they break bones or die. How often exactly do you think he gets touched? Let alone how incredibly abnormal the movement would have to be in order to trigger this response. Even if it did happen once he'd probably just think the shield was on the fritz. Some quirk of the subconscious caused a malfunction.

Index actually just doesn't have Johns Pen mode anymore. It got busted when touma broke the rest of the magical shit the english puritans had done to her. So... yeah. Not gonna happen.

This in addition to the fact that none of her techniques or knowledge is/are at all useful against firearms makes me wonder exactly how useful she's gonna be here. Last Order sending Touma in after her also sounds a bit dodgey...