Takopii no Genzai Episode 5 Discussion

Yeah, I'm also kinda confused on the timeline for the Azuma scene at the very end. I'm hoping it'll be explained next ep, but I think your idea makes sense! Either that or Takopi escaped back to there somehow.

Best girl of the show and it’s a bully and abuser lmao GTFO

@RaidenSteiner If you’re still trying to label one of them as the villain, you might end up saying the ending was bad — just because it doesn’t match your idea of who deserved to be the bad guy.
But that’s not what this story is about. It’s about emotionally unstable kids trapped in tragic circumstances, and being forced to grow up way too soon.

@RaidenSteiner Shizuka forever I will never that she harassed a girl to the point of suicide when she had nothing to do with her problems

Oh my God, just when I thought last week was the best directed episode of the year, they come back with something even better. Masterclass. Artistry of the highest level and what a fucking twist, hats off to the author this is how you tell a story. Type of shit Game of Thrones used to do consistently. I stand by my support of Shizuka, though, especially after that first half, but I do concede Marina is also a victim and they both had the misfortune of being born to the worst parents.

The opening of the episode is so cute with Takopi and Shizuka exploring Tokyo that you’d never guess she’s fleeing a murder charge lmao. People will really watch Shizuka go to her dad’s place and see him deny his OWN DAUGHTER in front of his other kids and try to tell me Shizuka’s crash out isn’t valid lmao. Her own fucking father deadass didn’t even let his kid in the apartment and wouldn’t even introduce her to her sisters. Most likely, she’s the result of an extramarital affair and he probably paid off Shizuka’s mom to keep quiet about it/take care of the kid, which she likely spends on herself. Chappy was likely never there either.

You have a girl in Shizuka who her own parents don’t want, she gets bullied nonstop, lives in filth, teachers don’t gaf about her, of course she’s gonna start killing people including takopi when he tries to leave her. Like people only have so far they can be pushed before they snap. Society failed her. It’s not even one of those situations where you could be like “well she could want better for herself” because she’s literally only known abuse and suffering, she doesn’t even know what goals to set to get out of her predicament.

Ok, so from what I’m gathering, this high school marina timeline is the OG timeline and the first 4 episodes were the result of takopi going back to kill Shizuka but having lost his memory. He realized Shizuka wasn’t really evil and she herself was being abused and that marina was genuinely cruel to her, sided with Shizuka and we know the rest. Seeing marina’s story was incredibly sad, but it didn’t really tell me anything new. We already knew her mother needed to die and thank God she’s gone. Idc what issues she had, she needed to die and my only regret is marina didn’t too quickly

The direction in that scene again.. just awe inspiring man I can’t praise this studio enough.. the fact Azuma is STILL a simp for Shizuka in this timeline tho is crazy lmao. I just knew some shit was going to go down when he left Marina for Shizuka as soon as he saw her like wtf?? What sort of magic spell does she have on him.

So Takopi’s original sin was going against God and going back into the past. What should he have done then? Did he not have the camera to rewind to an earlier checkpoint before Marina killed her mom or should he have just let his friend kill herself? I really don’t see what he did as bad even though it ended up being worse.

Can’t wait to see how this ends next week man I need an hour finale.

Every new episode proves more and more that Marina was actually the good guy and Shizu the psyco killer, i love this anime



For the Marina haters it is still not too late to accept y'all were in the wrong

Takopii shows a lot of Happy Gadgets-pi. Why didn't he show the time-travel camera-pi? With that picture he could have done something to help Marina avoid Shizuka so Nao wouldn't see her-pi. Problem solved-pi.

Maybe he didn't have the camera in 2022, so why would he have it in 2016? Also why does his ship conveniently breaks in 2016?

I'm not sure if I'm a fan of how the show basically beats your head with a brick on how neither Marina or Shizuka are evil. It was pretty apparent that's the direction they were going in, but Takopi collecting itself at the end and thinking, "Shizuka must be evil because she ruined future Marina's life, but wait she helped me she can't be," felt like a little waste of time. Though it does make sense, I suppose, since Takopi is starting to understand human morality and emotion, and therefore has to process that people can't be dumbed down to just "good" or "evil." Just wish they spent a little less time on it (albeit it's a lesson some people in this thread still gotta learn lol)

This episode was a tiny bit off to me, but I'm hoping it'll work better in the broader context of the series once Episode 6 is out. Everything up to this point has been a firm 10/10 for me, and I'm hoping the show can stick that landing.

anyone who still takes this show seriously after this episode are the dumbest mfs alive.

this show is a great piece of entertainment, it's very well made, but the underlying unchallenged outdated/harmful social norm biases are too essential for the story to make sense, and the plot design are just trying too hard to be edgy lmao

watch it as an entertainment. but if you think it tells you anything about real life u either needs serious help, or just needs to go outside.

I'm not sure if I'm a fan of how the show basically beats your head with a brick on how neither Marina or Shizuka are evil. It was pretty apparent that's the direction they were going in, but Takopi collecting itself at the end and thinking, "Shizuka must be evil because she ruined future Marina's life, but wait she helped me she can't be," felt like a little waste of time. Though it does make sense, I suppose, since Takopi is starting to understand human morality and emotion, and therefore has to process that people can't be dumbed down to just "good" or "evil." Just wish they spent a little less time on it (albeit it's a lesson some people in this thread still gotta learn lol)

This episode was a tiny bit off to me, but I'm hoping it'll work better in the broader context of the series once Episode 6 is out. Everything up to this point has been a firm 10/10 for me, and I'm hoping the show can stick that landing.

@ROVI65 so you gonna just ignore how shizuka was about to kill her siblings for absolutely 0 reasons? + the 1 million other things she did

@RaidenSteiner It doesn't change the message I wrote.

@ROVI65 You're missing the point mate. It's not a "who suffered more" competition to pick a winner (Shizuka as you say).

As we can see from your reply: "

Well, what about the two sibling from another mother she wants to cut open. They also have nothing to do with her problems. Does it matter for those 2 kids whether Marina contributed to F-ing Shizuka's mind or not? It's not about who bullied who first, or who was cruel first.

The anime shows how monsters are made. You have all the reasons to pity both Shizuka and Marina. People watching this show apparently can't curb their ego and let go of the illusion that Shizuka is the MC and has to be in the right.

The real message here is, "BE BETTER PARENTS!"

All of the tragedies we see since ep.1 could've been avoided with good or even OK parents. You wouldn't need a freaking pink magic alien to intervene then.

I think you're being harsh on Shizuka here. Sure planning to kill Takopi and her siblings is messed up, but remember that this is after everyone in her life has betrayed her, she lost her dog (which she tried committing suicide for in both timelines) and now she assumes Tako isnt helping her either. Basically she's gone completely mind broken and insane atp. So she crashed out. Even in the OG timeline, she didn't really do anything to hurt Marina, just stole Azuma from her (which the blame lies with him tbh)

Marina bullied Shizuka to suicide in both timelines, but the OG attempt failed because Shizuka didn't use Taco's rope. (Ironically that means he did succeed his original goal the first time lol). I empathize with her as well because she was driven to that by her mom.

It's just a messed up situation either way, but idk how this is gonna end. I hope a happy ending happens somehow...

Every new episode proves more and more that Marina was actually the good guy and Shizu the psyco killer, i love this anime



For the Marina haters it is still not too late to accept y'all were in the wrong