Yoru no Kurage wa Oyogenai Episode 11 Discussion

While Mahiru asking Kano's mom if JELEE can perform in the same venue with the sundolls is bold she didn't ask Kano and the other girls for their thoughts although I suppose it was a sudden thought she had.

With one episode remaining I don't think that the overblown drama from the last couple of episodes will get resolved in a satisfactory way especially between Kano and her mom, Kano and her old group, and heck even Kano and Mahiru.

Sorry, wtf? Why is Kano's mom suddenly tolerant and reasonable person???

Naah, this show has fallen so badly. No wonder they resort to cheap fanservice from time to time. Kiui drama, for instance, this episode felt unnecessary, as if we've repeated something we've already seen. So, last episode we're gonna get a happy ending with Jelee getting permission to participate from Kano's mom of all people, and that's it? Heck, I won't be surprised if Kano's mom makes amends with Kano! Nah, promising show that turned into yet another forgettable one. Meanwhile people sleeping on "Girls band cry", mostly sadly due to it not being available on legal sites as I've heard.

@Alfredo-Sauce Interesting to point out that it was after the message the lyrics were done. Considered how scenes hinted Kano's lyrics are a message for her mom, Mahiru probably saw the lyrics and thought it would be good to try negotiating that. Well, we will only know next episode.

@Sigmar-Unberogen She always has been, thats what I've been saying on these threads for chapters.
Yukine was never an antagonist, neither when she dropped Kano nor when she picked up Mahiru. She just purely fall in love with both of their talent, which Kano in a way betrayed so she had to cut her off.

In Mahiru's case, from start she already said she loves her art, while smiling, there is not a single lie in this. The reason why Mahiru work kept getting rejected is because its not the art that Yukine fall in love with, and as a pro when faced with deadline she had to go for desperate measure and giving direction in favor of meeting the deadline.
Why she suddenly became tolerant and reasonable? She never was, its just Mahiru finally achieved the art that Yukine fall in love with.

I would say Yukine's character is a bit complex but its probably one of the most well written character in the story.

Two episodes in a row with no interaction, whether hostile, conciliatory, dispassionately neutral, or otherwise, between Yoru/Mahiru and Kano, after the emotional bomb dropped and tsunami foisted upon both the characters and the audience at the end of episode nine, can seem like a bold, questionable, and maybe even ill-advised move, but what it tells me is that the story this series is trying to tell is larger than just Yoru and Kano's relationship - whether platonically as friends, romantic, professional partners, or anything else. It's not really a show about their relationship per se. It's equally as much, if not moreso, about their relationship with and how they see themselves (self-acceptance), the whole group, and how all four of them, individually and collectively, relate to the larger world.

Especially if, as I assume, the season finale next episode ends up being a permanent series finale and this only ever has one season as a lot of anime originals do. Rather than sticking with one character or a relationship between just two of them, they really used the time allotted in these episodes to focus more on the core themes of the show. That might not please people who wanted a closer deep dive into one character (will Kano or Yoru or anyone else's issues really be satisfactorily wrapped up in the span of one episode in a true comprehensive way? Probably not) or them as a duo, but I think they did a pretty sound job of making use of all the cast of the main girls and balancing their personalities, issues, and role in the story. Far from perfect but it's a music-centered coming-of-age teen drama with 12 episodes not exactly aiming or expected to reinvent the wheel.

If I had one complaint with how everything has gone down and been handled up to now, it would be that out of the four girls I felt Kimura/Mei got the most short-shrift ever since her introductory episode (which was the second episode), last episode's fleeting spotlight notwithstanding, but that's probably because she's my favorite of the characters so I felt that shortage more acutely.

You could do an entire series, one far longer than 12 episodes even, just on Yoru with everyone else as sidelined background characters, Kano with everyone else as sidelined background characters, Yoru and Kano's relationship, Kano's relationship with her mother and her former group, etc. Most series don't manage to incorporate and tackle all these different plot threads in-depth in the runtime afforded by 12 TV half-hour blocks of episodes without feeling incredibly rushed. This series hasn't actually felt all too rushed to me, so even if they leave some stuff out that could have been probed a lot further, it's better than visibly speedrunning it (a la a Yakusoku no Neverland season 2-style slideshow at the end or something outrageous like that).

Girls Brand Cry is officially better than this

just a genuine question, is mahiru's art actually up to standard? I do not know art at all but it doesn't seem like its the quality that could be recognised by such a big company tho... (Jelee looks still fine for me but the sundoll art just seem too weird cuz the head proportion doesn't seem ok and it looks too cartoonish in general)

I still cant get over the fact that this, supposedly big idol company chief used hired this high school girl artist with pretty much only a basic experience ... you know the five minutes fame andy, to design something so complex.

But i guess let Yoru experience the corpo life eh :)

@chaosprophet it's not just hint. The song title (or maybe just part of the lyric?) thats written on the last part was 雪が舞うあの海へ "The snow that flutter to the sea", the snow (Yuki) part of it obviously refer to Yukine.
I guess Kano finally decided to talk to her mom about the reason why she snapped off and ruined the idol dream instead of just going on radio silent.

Another week, another subpar Jellyfish episode.

The mum is no longer an asshole now for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and we got a tedious rehash of Kiui's drama from earlier the season on top of that. Maybe they shouldn't have rushed through her issues in a single episode the first time if they were just going to come back and do it again later.

This is a clear case of an anime-original series written by a writer who was way too ambitious for their own good and has no clue how to naturally resolve the character and plot threads they've created.

I thought we already went through this Kiui stuff earlier, but if it was their way to conclusively state, "it's fine to be who you are, and what you are", then let it be I guess lol. Though again as usual, the representation of japanese bullying.. I mean anime bullying sucks lol.

Not so sure what caused miss mother to actually be nice there for a moment and accept Mahiru's art. Still the next week is the last episode, and I'm pretty sure they'd try to conclude this as happily as they could, which imo, not going to leave the kind of impression it would have if it wasn't for the overblown drama in the last few episodes.

Sorry, wtf? Why is Kano's mom suddenly tolerant and reasonable person???

Naah, this show has fallen so badly. No wonder they resort to cheap fanservice from time to time. Kiui drama, for instance, this episode felt unnecessary, as if we've repeated something we've already seen. So, last episode we're gonna get a happy ending with Jelee getting permission to participate from Kano's mom of all people, and that's it? Heck, I won't be surprised if Kano's mom makes amends with Kano! Nah, promising show that turned into yet another forgettable one. Meanwhile people sleeping on "Girls band cry", mostly sadly due to it not being available on legal sites as I've heard.

@Marinate1016 I beg to differ. In my view the show quite fumbled when Mahiru made a wrong decision taking on the job for Kano's mother. Otherwise, all of this drama, hysteria and hassle would've been avoided. JELEE's music video would have been done sooner, and Kiui would have dealt with her own doxxing earlier. This show had been my contender for anime of the season, but the last several episodes are on the verge of making it lose the position to Konosuba S3.

i hate the phrase "media literacy" because it's such a buzzword in recent years, but reading MAL forum posts makes me dearly wish many of you here would gain some
also some of you haven't seen any actual anime with truly terrible endings and it shows if this is your definition of dropping the ball lol

It's honestly disgusting that you're trying to justify a mother manipulating her underage daughter and then completely abandoning her when she became inconvenient.

@Westerlyn First, in my defense from the beginning I always agreed with the notion that she is a horrible mother, but not a horrible person.
Second, Kano was never manipulated, she has always been looking up to her mother and wanted to be just like her. She jumped at the chance once her mother realized her talent, there was never a manipulation.

@rheasilvia No, Yukine is less manipulative this episode, but she was still manipulative as fuck before. She knows how to manipulate a high school student and only says what she wants to hear like; "You have potential, you have talent. I know you can do it...", Her daughter also was just a tool for her business. She's just an evil person as mother and I hope they don't give her moment to change for the better.