Ajoymurmu123 said: I don't hate ecchi but I do hate unnecessary ecchi like in Enen No Shouboutai , No Game No Life , Fate Kaleid Liner etc.I hear ppl have a big distaste for ECCHI genre (or fanservice in general). I remember being at MAL event and ppl were putting ECCHI as a genre to avoid, sometimes even on the forum, people don't show a big interest in it. I just can't see any reason why someone would hate this genre... So, any reasons? |
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| I think people hate it when it's something that has no relation with any aspect of the story and characterization, the grudge isn't exactly towards ecchi itself. |
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GreyStoneFlinger said: If sexual desire was not natural then you and I wouldn't be here. Don't project.epidemia78 said: The most natural human functions are eating, drinking, and breathing. If creators are producing appalling content, then their work should at least have stricter distribution regulations.Ok, I am not a fan of ecchi anime but I must say your post deserves a reply. Lol. "good character writing" is not a requirement for "our" media. People can write whatever they want. If you want to write a story about sexy ladies or men flaunting their stuff then there's nothing actually wrong with that. Sexual desire is not misogynistic... it's the most natural thing in the world. |
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| My experience is that Ecchi usually forces fanservice at the cost of a good story. OVAs aside, I haven't seen a single good Ecchi show so far. However, I don't hate Ecchi. I wouldn't even know why to downright hate a genre. It might be my least favorite genre and somewhat of a red flag, but I still have an Ecchi show on my PtW for next season - maybe it can suprise me ^^ |
| I surprisingly agree with most of what you said. Felori said: (especially josei, but also some others). This part though. The josei smut I read so far were either boring, or had an uncanny relationship dynamic, that I don't really know how to describe. They weren't the most fucked up manhwas I read, but those got under my skin anyhow... That said, I'm not a woman. ¯\_(ใ)_/¯ |
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| what kind of guy hates ecchi. that is acting like some type of fag. Even blockbuster movies like titanic had nude scenes. Except with anime you are watching in closed doors. Similiar with men who act weird questions whether you havea girlfriend like they want in on your personal lives |
| Because 9 times out of 10 ecchi anime are stupid and or forgettable both as a story and its characters. I can only think of a few anime that are ecchi that actually not only utilize it for the story but are actually good. I have Kill la Kill I'm my favs example of imo a good ecchi anime. Another one I liked a lot is Food Wars. |
| Ecchi anime tend to have garbage plots and shitty characters. Plus, when a character has breasts bigger than their damn head I roll my eyes so hard it hurts. Very much not a fan of ecchi. And while yes, I am female, I'm also pan so it isn't because I'm not attracted to women. I just despise the genre because it's tasteless. Just my opinion. Feel however you want, but this is how I feel about it. |
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Felori said: Ecchi is usually aimed at a young or young adult audience, so the high school setting is too basic in that genre. There aren't many jobs that use older adults because they probably won't be the draw for public opinion. It wouldn't be bad to find one, although the only thing different for me would be to see a different type of boob drawn.Ironically people jump most times to the conclusion "do you dislike ecchi, because you are woke or do you dislike it, because you are too childish / prude for it!!1" No, my problem is that most ecchi is often too tame for what people pretend it is supposed to be. Some ecchi fans around this site and I met in real, really act like they watched the most wicked, deviant shit known to mankind ... and then it's often a pile of wiggling breasts and pantyshots etc. They will act like about most series "oh wow, I'm such a big pervert, look at aaalll the perverted series I watch!" ... then it's the most basic fanservice ever lol. I laugh at a good dick jokes and co. like everyone else too ... AND we all know Golden Kamuy is the peak of dumb dick jokes and sexual jokes in general. That for example made me laugh so much more than 95 % of all the typical ecchi I have seen. When lot of ecchis get on some good humor etc or get female characters that are actually attractive, mature women... then we are talking. That's my second big problem with ecchi and fanservice. Not including the moral side of it that we are looking at a kid's ass most times; I just don't want to waste my time with series like that doing it all the time. Even in series like Fire Forces etc., where it was only there to keep the audience at screen. It was just so clumsily and stupidly done too. Almost all the characters in anime are also so young, they also act and look so young and lot of have generic anime faces. I genuinely don't think the majority of anime characters are anywhere near attractive to me. Some look cute, but they are not attractive and I surely not want to have their ass in a big shot in the screen. When I find good works with sexual content, if that's ecchi, erotica or hentai, it's often in form of more unknown manga (especially josei, but also some others). Not in the form of the next ecchi series with its super generic and young anime girl designs. Their designs and personalities are just not attractive to me to begin with and where are all the women, men and everyone else in their mid, late 20s, in their 30s and 40s in anime ecchi, fanservice whatever; I'm 30 myself, why do I have to look at kids. ;_; One of the only ecchi in anime that made me laugh and care throughout the series was Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt and maybe parts of Cutie Honey and a few others. Highschool of the Dead is an okayish parody of ecchi tropes too. Also Darling in the Franxx at least had put thought into portraying its sexual themes and is better than people give it credit for, even tho it was a bit messy. Tl;dr: I would be fine with ecchi that is actually good (and maybe actually funny in its sexual humor too) with adult women that do look and act like that and are interesting characters. And stop throwing half-naked children at me, these characters aren't even attractive to me. And, yeah, within the ecchi community there is usually the problem of those groups (usually teenagers) who, having seen things like DxD, Monogatari and Kill la Kill, already believe they have seen the best of ecchi and are men of culture when these they only bait to the public with the most basic fanservice. Ecchi is not made like hentai, so it will always seem strange to me that someone says "Oh wow look at these nipples, I'm a pervert hahahaha" But, the narrative that I usually hear about why you wouldn't like an ecchi refers more to pointing out the sexualization facets of a character (usually female) in series that are already oriented to do it in any way. Mangakas and artists daily design and draw the character to attract the public, it is not exclusive to ecchi but even in those series where these characters tend to emphasize the "development" of the character. |
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| I'm personally not too fond of Ecchi. I can watch it if it doesn't go overboard. Some shows can turn it into funny jokes if timed right, but i don't understand why some other shows try so hard to show fanservice whenever they can. The probably best example for the latter is Highschool DxD... I watched the 1st Season because of a friend of mine and they really shoved fanservice in every time they got the chance to. Confession scene - gust of wind so you see the panties casually. Club room has a shower next to it so you can see more shower scenes. The screentime used on such things really takes a toll on what those anime could be. I think each of us can think of more than one 12ep anime with a beach episode in it, and mostly that episode doesn't add much to the story. So yeah, i don't HATE Ecchi, but too much is too much, if there is a good balance or just a hint of it i don't mind it. |
Felori said: GreyStoneFlinger said: The most natural human functions are eating, drinking, and breathing. If creators are producing appalling content, then their work should at least have stricter distribution regulations. To begin with ... may I introduce you to https://myanimelist.net/anime/18507/Free ok what is up with all these victorian era prudes popping up on mal lately, lol. this is like the second 1 in a day who thinks a bunch of males doing competitive swimming is softcore porn. |
Felori said: JaniSIr said: I surprisingly agree with most of what you said. This part though. The josei smut I read so far were either boring, or had an uncanny relationship dynamic, that I don't really know how to describe. They weren't the most fucked up manhwas I read, but those got under my skin anyhow... That said, I'm not a woman. ¯\_(ใ)_/¯ To be fair, I rarely look up demographic tags. I expected lot of yuri (at least that kind that isn't directed at straight men) and yaoi to count as josei. Some have really good (reading: more healthy) relationship dynamics, but I can't say others aren't interesting to read here and there either. What Does the Fox Say was surely made with a female and queer target audience in mind and it has both really interesting relationship dynamics and good sex scenes, although their relationships weren't supposed to be seen as completely healthy. That's a good yuri and manga with also well-drawn sex scenes that really stood out to me tho. Also the women look actually good and aren't your little anime girlies. It's not like I was filtering by that, otherwise I wouldn't have started reading those. It's just something I noticed after looking at my dropped list. (Most of which aren't on MAL...) And I don't know about that, I'd say it's just low on the usual hentai/porn tropes. Don't need to be lesbian to prefer more lifelike stuff over the very over produced mass market garbage. |
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Felori said: Yeah, it's the problem of the fan's perception regarding the issues of sexuality. Normies usually come to the conclusion that having seen the most popular ecchi like DxD, or series that use fanservice as an attraction like Kill la Kill or Monogatari, is lascivious enough, but watching other ecchi where he deliberately sells you sexual situations will it's too much for your liking. If not, it's the silly excuse of looking at a harem girl by MC Gigachad who isn't afraid to insert "gender equality" (slapping an annoying anime girl, like the tsundere archetype).Rachiba said: Ecchi is usually aimed at a young or young adult audience, so the high school setting is too basic in that genre. There aren't many jobs that use older adults because they probably won't be the draw for public opinion. It wouldn't be bad to find one, although the only thing different for me would be to see a different type of boob drawn. And, yeah, within the ecchi community there is usually the problem of those groups (usually teenagers) who, having seen things like DxD, Monogatari and Kill la Kill, already believe they have seen the best of ecchi and are men of culture when these they only bait to the public with the most basic fanservice. Ecchi is not made like hentai, so it will always seem strange to me that someone says "Oh wow look at these nipples, I'm a pervert hahahaha" But, the narrative that I usually hear about why you wouldn't like an ecchi refers more to pointing out the sexualization facets of a character (usually female) in series that are already oriented to do it in any way. Mangakas and artists daily design and draw the character to attract the public, it is not exclusive to ecchi but even in those series where these characters tend to emphasize the "development" of the character. I mean there are a lot of adult men, who also act like they are the biggest pervert on the planet just for liking breasts and you think there is something much worse coming, when they state about themselves they are perverted. Then they go like "I've seen Highschool DxD hehe." Oof, a real deviant. Some of the same ecchi-loving guys tho freak out, when there are actual sexual themes, even if it's not shown in detail, because of purity shit, I guess. It's okay to look at it, but not if the female main character is not a virgin or anything along these lines. I have seen a few times grown-ass men, who state to love ecchi and sexual stuff, then freaked out over a female fictional character that is not a virgin; weird shit, really ... and one called my female friend a whore, because she had three former relationships before marriage lol. Oh no, a 28 yo woman is not a virgin!? Terrible. Of course most is made for younger teenagers in mind, but it's kinda tiring how many shows include sexual fanservice that comes down to seeing someone's underwear or holding someone's hand is the pinnacle of sexuality and themes you may include. I'm just grateful when all of that is left out and there is no fanservice, if they won't go beyond these dumb standard scenes or shows that are not trying to have sexual themes or making a parody of fanservice tropes. But it's not the ecchi's fault that there's a bunch of virgins incels who act as the "anti-woke" representation as opposed to the anti-sex/anti-porn community that harasses and witch-hunts for the enjoyment of our demo. Leftist groups often think they are doing this well under the premise that they are defending female integrity against media exploitation, or the ferichization of LGBT characters by cis heteros. But when push comes to shove, those views coincide with the conservative views of the right, which sticks to religion and morality by considering sex as immoral and disgusting. It is strange for me to think, as a bisexual man, that a movement like the LGBT is against pornography and sexualization when the phrase "Sexual Liberation" is in its slogan, we should be more open-minded people than a cis hetero who looks at Yuri /Yaoi. This is why I do not agree with the narrative in linking fanservice as an element that affects the personality of the character, because it is nothing more than a fairly old resource, easy and cheap to consume and you see it in practically everything - Episodes of beach to see the characters in swimsuits, Onsen to see them in towels, Festivals to see yukata, etc. But this is not inherent to how the character is developed, a character is not attractive to its audience because its author has no idea how to write it, so they resort to fanservice as an easy alternative, but fanservice is not the problem. |
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| Just FYI for everyone here, ecchi isn't just "ecchi" when it's female characters. Seems a lot of people here aren't even aware that male-focused ecchi certainly exist and fall into most of the same trappings as their female-focused counterparts... As for me... well, I don't like regular porn/erotica/etc. as-is, so what reason do I have to like ecchi? Nothing against people who do, of-course, but I watch, read and play media for the plot. And (outside of the meme-y misuse of the word), ecchi aren't exactly famous for their well-written stories or characters, 90% of the time. Now, there are certainly exceptions of-course (School-Live!, Yozakura Quartet and JoJolion ARE in my favorites, as are My Lovely Ghost KANA and Chio's School Road until my MAL Supporter runs-out), but generally speaking, ecchi tends to focus mostly on fanservice. Heck, even outside of sexual fanservice, I find that fanservice (such-as bringing back a popular character with no logical in-universe explanation, for example) often detracts from a series |
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Felori said: I can be agree.Rachiba said: Yeah, it's the problem of the fan's perception regarding the issues of sexuality. Normies usually come to the conclusion that having seen the most popular ecchi like DxD, or series that use fanservice as an attraction like Kill la Kill or Monogatari, is lascivious enough, but watching other ecchi where he deliberately sells you sexual situations will it's too much for your liking. If not, it's the silly excuse of looking at a harem girl by MC Gigachad who isn't afraid to insert "gender equality" (slapping an annoying anime girl, like the tsundere archetype). But it's not the ecchi's fault that there's a bunch of virgins incels who act as the "anti-woke" representation as opposed to the anti-sex/anti-porn community that harasses and witch-hunts for the enjoyment of our demo. Leftist groups often think they are doing this well under the premise that they are defending female integrity against media exploitation, or the ferichization of LGBT characters by cis heteros. But when push comes to shove, those views coincide with the conservative views of the right, which sticks to religion and morality by considering sex as immoral and disgusting. It is strange for me to think, as a bisexual man, that a movement like the LGBT is against pornography and sexualization when the phrase "Sexual Liberation" is in its slogan, we should be more open-minded people than a cis hetero who looks at Yuri /Yaoi. This is why I do not agree with the narrative in linking fanservice as an element that affects the personality of the character, because it is nothing more than a fairly old resource, easy and cheap to consume and you see it in practically everything - Episodes of beach to see the characters in swimsuits, Onsen to see them in towels, Festivals to see yukata, etc. But this is not inherent to how the character is developed, a character is not attractive to its audience because its author has no idea how to write it, so they resort to fanservice as an easy alternative, but fanservice is not the problem. Okay, I get what you mean and of course ecchi is not at fault for the behavior of these people, but I do believe that you need some real life comparison to wish fulfillment media and your own experiences. Otherwise it's much easier to engage in behavior and a mindset like that. I just miss the opportunity of anime to make good sexual content too (that isn't hentai), but they put out lot of fanservice harem, isekai series etc., mostly with teenage protagonists and love interests, because it's selling better. Anime has just much more potential in that regard and way of telling storytelling than producing the same kind of ecchi and harem all over again. There are anime with pretty boys in them, which is nice to have and some have a story to them. Boys love anime adaptations are quite rare, even more so that when it's not censored. Girls love anime often consists of cute moe girlies, with some exception. I miss the opportunity to adapt manwha or manga like What Does The Fox Say and similar series, just more sexual and relationship content for a mature audience that has more story than hentai. The closest I came to a good adaptation with mature relationship content was Nana, I guess. Scum's Wish was also interesting, but teenagers figuring out their sexuality and the difference between lust and love... it's much more than what you can get from lot of other series, still. Yeah I know, you never know with some types of "feminists", if they come from their local church and have a stick up their ass... or if they try to defend women's integrity at that moment lol. It's the same with other types of delusional people. They jump from "that fictional character shouldn't wear sexy clothes" to telling real women and female assigned people what to wear very fast. I love and hate the irony in this. "Men can't tell you what types of clothes you should wear!" (Because I fucking tell you what type of clothes you should wear!) Their head works like: "Feminism is when being patronized by women", I guess. Kii_Ibarra said: Now, there are certainly exceptions of-course (School-Live!, ... I wouldn't say Gakkougurashi was an ecchi tbh. It had maybe three, four short fanservice scenes. I mean, I'm in my early 20s, in my teens I probably would have been nervous about a titty shot (I wasn't the oh look I'm a pervert type, just more reserved than I am now), but now I'm like "oh lol, it was fun when the Amagami president dominated the MC wearing the same swimsuit for the 11th time. Next page." Perhaps because I have come to the conclusion that I am aware of what I consume and I prefer to take advantage of it to enjoy it than to validate an opinion by looking at something that I know I will not like. I'm not saying ecchi can't be disliked, there are people who genuinely won't like the genre because they don't consider themselves its target audience and simply don't want to consume adult sexual content. But shitting and harassing those who enjoy it to degrade it to a social status worse than that of a serial killer, slaver or pedophile is being too stupid, as well as being dishonest if they ironically tend to consume it. I guess because I'm young my criteria is not so strict. So I don't care if it's an anime teenager or old adult who gets involved in the works (and if he's a virgin or not, it's the most irrelevant detail that I can assure my more experienced ecchi mates share this opinion). They are nothing more than settings for a specific audience, and if something like the adult and old casting becomes popular, then take advantage of the moment because this lends itself to any innovative idea or to show something easy to consume. Today it seems that gender benders are looking to position themselves, and I want titles like Boku Girl to have their adaptation (because one could already be fulfilled this season), tomorrow they could be milfs/dilfs, comedies with a male cast, or return to old trends like lolis tsunderes by JC Staff or Jun Maeda-style melodramas from the 2000s. |
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| i have never experienced sexual attraction in my life so it just doesnt interest me at all. and it annoys me when im just trying to watch a show and suddenly there are boobs or really suggestive poses. its uncomfortable and annoying like not everything needs fanservice, if they want to make something with fanservice just make a hentai at this point i have watched ecchi anime and there are some i enjoy, i just prefer to not watch it most of the time. and its always unnecessarily added to everything |
| They gay or overly religious. No other excuse is realistically possible. And since religion is being removed for gay stuff in most media these days, gays and its variants went from 2-5% of the world to 40-50%... Damn shame, but more chicks for us normal guys, I guess lol. |
Felori said: I seem to really enjoy the kind of ecchi you dislike, I can't disagree that it's dumb and juvenile, but there's something oddly appealing about it, besides the obvious. I was just wondering what type of characters you're talking about, do you mean loli's or maybe slightly older looking girls, like a lot of the characters in To Love Ru? It can't be someone with a Rias body type I would assume, because there's surely not much difference between her and a mature woman, other than the eyes.Tl;dr: I would be fine with ecchi that is actually good (and maybe actually funny in its sexual humor too) with adult women that do look and act like that and are interesting characters. And stop throwing half-naked children at me, these characters aren't even attractive to me. |
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| I don't hate it. Like any genre, Ecchi can be good if done right. Examples of good Ecchi that I've seen is Gantz, Prison School, My Dress Up Darling, Food Wars, The Familiar of Zero, and To Love Ru. Examples of bad Ecchi are Kanokon & Kiss x Sis. |
Felori said: I was just curious what you had in mind, since when it comes to ecchi I know some people are weirded out by the childish faces of anime characters, even if they have mature/developed bodies. I wasn't going to take offense to whatever your answer was, and I personally have no strong infatuation with loli, I just dislike the hypocrisy of making alien looking cartoons out to be literal humans, but that's another story altogether. I tend to find a lot of female characters attractive, at least in a basic cute/pretty sense, at least in terms of anime, I relate to these cartoons on a completely different level than I would with real people. I can certainly appreciate the examples you gave as well, more realistic designs can sometimes get a bit "uncanny valley" territory for me though, but that's probably rare. LostSpectre said: I seem to really enjoy the kind of ecchi you dislike, I can't disagree that it's dumb and juvenile, but there's something oddly appealing about it, besides the obvious. I was just wondering what type of characters you're talking about, do you mean loli's or maybe slightly older looking girls, like a lot of the characters in To Love Ru? It can't be someone with a Rias body type I would assume, because there's surely not much difference between her and a mature woman, other than the eyes. Yeah other than her eyes, and imo all of her facial features, which are the most important parts of the design for me. That's why I can't find any of those attractive. I normally don't like these typical anime designs too much, especially not their faces. You do your do btw. I don't automatically think all people, who like lolis or anything, would be into real children (although it could go hand in hand in some cases, but I don't think it has to by default). I just can't see how most anime girls or women are attractive... or men or anyone else. That's not what I watch anime for. If I find attractive characters, it's a plus to me, but I don't watch them for. I just don't like it, when there is sexual content in it and they look too childish or too much "generic anime", like all having very similar and simple facial features and only slightly different eye forms, because their noses, facial bones etc are looking all the same. Tbh I like a slightly more realistic style the most. It doesn't have to be hyperrealistic, just a bit more on that side. Besides some anime, I for example thought Sypha, Lisa and Greta from the Castlevania series and Vi and Caitlyn from Arcane are very attractive. |
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| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Something something something, difference in taste, something something, don't like tna shoved in their face, something. Side note, when did people forget that "fanservice" doesn't just mean jiggly mounds of fleshy bits? Because that's the only way I ever see it used...Saying "fanservice in general" would also cover things like easter eggs, cameos from other series, highly anticipated moments, and so on. You know, everything else that also "services" fans. |
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