Attack on Titan
Fuhrer_Wrath said: But Eren is also killing people who don't want to do that. So that doesn't add up. Stop being a sore ass loser. Go get a life or something |
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| I don't hate the alliance, I just find them cringe because their reasons are trash of the filth, no sane individual would act against eren |
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| Alliance really fucking killing their own friends to save people outside like wtf |
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Yesterday, you were the defeated. What have you become today? |
| I believe that Eldians should fight for Eldians and not against them. So yeah I dislike the alliance. I also dislike the Jaegerists btw. Eren is cool though. |
Fuhrer_Wrath said: aktiwkunn said: People who like the alliance are the people who'll most likely stab their own army in the back if they're at a war with another nation because "War Bad" By that logic people who support the Yeagerists are the one's who will most enthusiastically support their country/Army if their Army is committing Genocide. We do.. there's something called war propoganda and we all fall to it.. War is one of the worst things to exist.. and yet almost every world has fought a war except few neutral.. why? Is it not the bad thing? Its simply cuz they had too.. I'll be damned if someone doesn't supports their own country/army in the times of war.. a single person betraying could easily mean the end of his whole nation |
Dhaarok said: How the hell do you have a pfp of Yang but still defending authoritarianism, fascism and genocide lol.Think of it in modern day terms. NATO = Cringe alliance. Eldyia = Russia. The alliance will get whats coming to them. |
UkRs said: alliance is basically made up of people who betrayed their own people.. and that's about it.. They are traitors killing their own people because they consider their own people to be of less value than of others.. So much of this is just wrong. Where did they ever say they consider their own people to be of less value? They simply don't want Eren to commit mass genocide, because they believe everyone has a right to live. Wtf is wrong with that? And if you really think about it, they aren't betraying anyone. The Yaegerists are a different group from the Survey Corps. No member of the alliance was ever truly a Yaegerist - Jean briefly was with them but not because he agreed with them. The Yaegerists are quite literally the original traitors for staging an insurrection, bombing the general of the military, and assassinating or attempting to assassinate every other high-ranking officer of the military... You aren't a traitor for going against a traitorous group. Especially when that traitorous group is attempting to aid in mass genocide. |
Spektral_Beast said: Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else? It's babybrain thinking like that which causes conflict in the first place. Alliance really fucking killing their own friends to save people outside like wtf It's kinda baffling that adults need to be told that genocide is bad and that trying to stop it is inarguably the correct position to take here. Also the number of people who seem to unironically think that people should choose who or what they fight for based on shared race/ethnicity instead of what's right. Can't do a "neither side is right/wrong" argument when the story clearly spells out that Eren and the Yegerists are in the wrong here. |
JesseBoi said: Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else? It's babybrain thinking like that which causes conflict in the first place. Did you just ask why people like their friends more than random strangers? |
Gator said: No, I asked "Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else?"JesseBoi said: Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else? It's babybrain thinking like that which causes conflict in the first place. Did you just ask why people like their friends more than random strangers? |
| This is not simple good guys vs evil genociders, right? it's more like team genocide one vs team genocide two. some people are saying team one is worse because...what? population? and the alliance people are basically saying yes, we will destory our trump card and leave our nation's lives and livelihoods in the mercy of team genocide two (the same people who started the war) |
JesseBoi said: No, I asked "Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else?" pretty much the same thing damn these guys are idiots |
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JesseBoi said: No, I asked "Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else?" The answer is the same though and quite obvious. |
JesseBoi said: No, I asked "Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else?" I mean probably for the same reason that most people would rather save their pets life over a stranger's life. this is not a very complicated concept, yes, we're civilized and we care about each other (for the most part) but when it comes to life and death, we've some certain priorities, and that's fine. |
rottenaylar said: Stopping a genocide of almost everyone in the world is the correct and preferable position regardless of your motivations, intentions or some perceived "hypocrisy."This is not simple good guys vs evil genociders, right? it's more like team genocide one vs team genocide two. some people are saying team one is worse because...what? population? and the alliance people are basically saying yes, we will destory our trump card and leave our nation's lives and livelihoods in the mercy of team genocide two (the same people who started the war) There's is no chance of Eren not killing everyone if he's not stopped but there is a chance of the world leaving Eldians alone after Eren's been stopped = stopping Eren is inarguably the correct position to take. Even if Eren is stopped and the world decided to oppress Eldians again after that (which would be bad) stopping Eren would still have been the right thing to do. Because just like Isayama had to spell out to the audience: genocide is wrong. |
Gator said: JesseBoi said: No, I asked "Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else?" The answer is the same though and quite obvious. Spektral_Beast said: JesseBoi said: No, I asked "Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else?" pretty much the same thing damn these guys are idiots rottenaylar said: I phrased the question pretty simply and distinctly so I don't know if you're just missing the point or arguing in bad faith.JesseBoi said: No, I asked "Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else?" I mean probably for the same reason that most people would rather save their pets life over a stranger's life. this is not a very complicated concept, yes, we're civilized and we care about each other (for the most part) but when it comes to life and death, we've some certain priorities, and that's fine. I understand why people WOULD care more about their friends than people they don't know, it's called bias (which is bad). The question was "why SHOULD your friends matter more than anyone else." So the question was not whether people do or do not think this way, it's about the morality of said mindset. The answer is obviously that there is no legitimate reason why your friends matter more than anyone else in the world. Bias is bad and people should try to understand each other and be more empathetic about the world as a whole instead of basing their decisions and socio-political positions on the assumption that they and the people they know matter more than anyone else. This whole series is about how an "us vs them" mentality is bad and extremely destructive yet some people still have trouble grasping that. |
JesseBoi said: rottenaylar said: I phrased the question pretty simply and distinctly so I don't know if you're just missing the point or arguing in bad faith.I mean probably for the same reason that most people would rather save their pets life over a stranger's life. this is not a very complicated concept, yes, we're civilized and we care about each other (for the most part) but when it comes to life and death, we've some certain priorities, and that's fine. I understand why people WOULD care more about their friends than people they don't know, it's called bias (which is bad). The question was "why SHOULD your friends matter more than anyone else." So the question was not whether people do or do not think this way, it's about the morality of said mindset. The answer is obviously that there is no legitimate reason why your friends matter more than anyone else in the world. Bias is bad and people should try to understand each other and be more empathetic about the world as a whole instead of basing their decisions and socio-political positions on the assumption that they and the people they know matter more than anyone else. This whole series is about how an "us vs them" mentality is bad and extremely destructive yet some people still have trouble grasping that. Didn't read + Get fucked + Ratio + Don't ping me |
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Spektral_Beast said: You shouldn't have bad takes if you can't defend them lol.JesseBoi said: I phrased the question pretty simply and distinctly so I don't know if you're just missing the point or arguing in bad faith. I understand why people WOULD care more about their friends than people they don't know, it's called bias (which is bad). The question was "why SHOULD your friends matter more than anyone else." So the question was not whether people do or do not think this way, it's about the morality of said mindset. The answer is obviously that there is no legitimate reason why your friends matter more than anyone else in the world. Bias is bad and people should try to understand each other and be more empathetic about the world as a whole instead of basing their decisions and socio-political positions on the assumption that they and the people they know matter more than anyone else. This whole series is about how an "us vs them" mentality is bad and extremely destructive yet some people still have trouble grasping that. Didn't read + Get fucked + Ratio + Don't ping me |
| Based on many replies one can deduce that most of them are edgy keyboard warriors without a single sound argument. |
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| Humans are individuals, we're an individualistic species, as such any individual has his own hierarchy of importance, be it things or humans. That very reality creates a legitimate reason to prefer your own son to someone else's son, and prefer your friend to some stranger. Because you are you and you like what you like, and you don't live to make others happy, you live to make yourself happy. That's a good thing. I can prefer an apple to orange because it tastes better, i'm a human being, i'm allowed to do that. I know that fact makes some "individuals" very unhappy, but you know what, i'm very happy to make those "individuals" very unhappy. Thank god i'm human. |
| I remember that I was trying to defend this fanbase last year but reading this thread, AoT fans really deserve the hate they get. |
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JesseBoi said: rottenaylar said: I phrased the question pretty simply and distinctly so I don't know if you're just missing the point or arguing in bad faith.I mean probably for the same reason that most people would rather save their pets life over a stranger's life. this is not a very complicated concept, yes, we're civilized and we care about each other (for the most part) but when it comes to life and death, we've some certain priorities, and that's fine. I understand why people WOULD care more about their friends than people they don't know, it's called bias (which is bad). The question was "why SHOULD your friends matter more than anyone else." So the question was not whether people do or do not think this way, it's about the morality of said mindset. The answer is obviously that there is no legitimate reason why your friends matter more than anyone else in the world. Bias is bad and people should try to understand each other and be more empathetic about the world as a whole instead of basing their decisions and socio-political positions on the assumption that they and the people they know matter more than anyone else. This whole series is about how an "us vs them" mentality is bad and extremely destructive yet some people still have trouble grasping that. Look at your own question again, you asked "Why do one's friends matter more than anyone else?". There is no "should" in that question at all. But even if there was, the answer is still stupidly easy. If your best friend and a mass murderer are on the brink of death and you can only save one of them, there is an obvious choice which makes sense. Do you wanna say that you would think even two seconds about who matters more to you? |
Alphonae said: Are you implying that the people of paradis have a greater right to live than those living outside the walls? Yes. [15 character limit blah blah blah] |
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| Yeah man it's impossible to understand why anyone would dislike this shounen-y avengers team up that everyone saw coming from a mile away. |
nexuro01 said: Story writing along with alliance formation goes to shit >Pie scene >Whole alliance formation was rushed af >There’s no split between ex scouts >Connie gives zero fucks about working with Pieck who helped gas his village and turned his mother into titan >Levi is obsessed with monke but he gives zero fucks about working with Annie >Reiner gets trashed around, meanwhile Annie gets queen treatment There is even more absurd shit coming but i don’t wanna spoil anything Levi working with Annie is awful considering she killed his entire squad in S1 and he never mention them again. |
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MunkeeMan said: light_straight said: Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Anime demography is 16 year olds, who don't realise preventing world genocide is more important than playing friends. Ofcourse, they hold friendships on a pedestal over rationality, just like dumb shonen protagonists do. Good guys? Here we see their friends calling them traitors when they have to kill them. Last episode, we saw Yelena giving them their crime lists. This show is screaming at you at every second that there are no good guys. Or maybe it's my fault that I expect rationality. You must have forgotten how much the show wants us to believe Eren is completely wrong or has no ground to rightfully stand by shoving the fact that he’s about to commit genocide down our throats every second of every damn episode. Don’t get me wrong, of course I don’t think genocide is the answer but the MCs getting a taste of the wrong things they’ve done doesn’t really mean much when in the grand scheme, where we treat everyone else as the bad guys besides a little handful of characters because at least they have names. It annoys me because so many people truly believe the story of AOT is being told through a completely grey lens and that there aren’t any heroes or villains but that clearly isn’t true. Scouts still have doubts if they should kill eren or not, unlike marleyans. It is a grey lens. Eren doing genocide is also totally understandable. He believed in military for 3 years, and nothing happened. The fact that many people agree with him and still support yeagerists means he's not blatantly shown as a villain. The only ones who have doubts and holes is alliance, and killing their own, not because they are the good guys (Falco is the only good guy there). It's because the cost of peace eren is bringing is too much(somehow people still fail to comprehend this) Even then, you can never separate man from violence. So this peace might never even come. I can't think of any one way this conflict could be more grey than it already is. If you can, please give me any path story should've taken to be more grey. Any example, you can change entire history. |
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ft45 said: k0rvus said: So much of this is just wrong. Where did they ever say they consider their own people to be of less value? They simply don't want Eren to commit mass genocide, because they believe everyone has a right to live. Wtf is wrong with that? And if you really think about it, they aren't betraying anyone. The Yaegerists are a different group from the Survey Corps. No member of the alliance was ever truly a Yaegerist - Jean briefly was with them but not because he agreed with them. The Yaegerists are quite literally the original traitors for staging an insurrection, bombing the general of the military, and assassinating or attempting to assassinate every other high-ranking officer of the military... You aren't a traitor for going against a traitorous group. Especially when that traitorous group is attempting to aid in mass genocide. It's not a traitorous group, you brainlet. It's the will of the common people as well. I would say, they're in the majority. And it's quite expected. They wouldn't want to live under the barrel of Marlyean shotgun. But at the beginning, they were not at all in the majority. It was a small sub-sect of the army that literally assassinated its high-ranking officers. That is treason by definition. |
| Because what the Alliance is doing is basically enabling the Marley's, which is in my opinion, worse faction than the Yeagerists. Dhaarok said: Think of it in modern day terms. NATO = Cringe alliance. Eldyia = Russia. The alliance will get whats coming to them. Slava Rossiya! 🇷🇺 |
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ultragabriel said: I hate the alliance I hate the alliance |
| Wtf guys. I'm gone for a day and the next thing I see, you people are having a war of your own here  |
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