aotisgoat23 said: code geass ending sucks as well bro. and just because I haven't read that much anime and manga doesn't mean I can't dislike an ending. you haven't read that many manga or watched that much anime as well, does that mean you are no longer allowed to dislike endings. endings don't appeal to everyone to everyone no need to insult anyone who dislikes it _spoon_ said: Yeah dude's read a few edgy top seinen manga and thinks he can judge the ending and make remarks of it actually destroying everything the series stood for.im gonna be happy if you enjoy the ending bro ^_^ its your opinion after all. i personally thought the ending destroyed everything set up before. if you checked my bio i actually dont enjoy most of the popular battle shonen out right now and i prefer seinen to shonen. next time please check my bio before spreading misinformation :) Grow up kid. U haven't read/watched nearly enough anime/manga to make claims like that lol Endings like code geass which r so idealistic or should I say unrealistic wouldn't have worked here in aot anyway if u thought 'permanent peace' is actually a 'thing' |
_spoon_Jan 14, 2022 8:15 AM
TheAceAttorney said: ohk that's for clearing that up lol 👍Oh yeah my bad, should've clarified. I was just referencing surface level Anime fans. Anyone who's dedicated enough to always post in MAL forums, is not even close to a surface level fan. |
_spoon_ said: I am not insulting, its just saying things like 'it destroyed everything the story ever stood for' making such huge ass claims is not easy. aotisgoat23 said: code geass ending sucks as well bro. and just because I haven't read that much anime and manga doesn't mean I can't dislike an ending. you haven't read that many manga or watched that much anime as well, does that mean you are no longer allowed to dislike endings. endings don't appeal to everyone to everyone no need to insult anyone who dislikes it Yeah dude's read a few edgy top seinen manga and thinks he can judge the ending and make remarks of it actually destroying everything the series stood for. Grow up kid. U haven't read/watched nearly enough anime/manga to make claims like that lol Endings like code geass which r so idealistic or should I say unrealistic wouldn't have worked here in aot anyway if u thought 'permanent peace' is actually a 'thing' There could have been 2 types of endings. 1. Either peace is forever maintained thrroughout the world[Code geass like ending] 2. Where peace is not long lasting[Aot's actual ending] If u didn't liked both, Wtf did u wanted lmao. I mean there is no other 'type of ending' lol |
aotisgoat23 said: I guess but mean the fact that paradise got destroyed though feels like making everything they did pointlessly _spoon_ said: I am not insulting, its just saying things like 'it destroyed everything the story ever stood for' making such huge ass claims is not easy. code geass ending sucks as well bro. and just because I haven't read that much anime and manga doesn't mean I can't dislike an ending. you haven't read that many manga or watched that much anime as well, does that mean you are no longer allowed to dislike endings. endings don't appeal to everyone to everyone no need to insult anyone who dislikes it There could have been 2 types of endings. 1. Either peace is forever maintained thrroughout the world[Code geass like ending] 2. Where peace is not long lasting[Aot's actual ending] If u didn't liked both, Wtf did u wanted lmao. I mean there is no other 'type of ending' lol |
_spoon_ said: First of all, paradise didn't got bombed coz of eren's actions.aotisgoat23 said: I guess but mean the fact that paradise got destroyed though feels like making everything they did pointlessly I am not insulting, its just saying things like 'it destroyed everything the story ever stood for' making such huge ass claims is not easy. There could have been 2 types of endings. 1. Either peace is forever maintained thrroughout the world[Code geass like ending] 2. Where peace is not long lasting[Aot's actual ending] If u didn't liked both, Wtf did u wanted lmao. I mean there is no other 'type of ending' lol Secondly, again its comes to the code-geass like ideal peace ending which u disliked? So ummm I am not getting the jist of the situation here, care to elaborate? |
aotisgoat23 said: I didn't hate the aot ending because it was a sad ending ik a happy ending would not have worked in aots case but having all of paradise bombed feels like making everything they did to protect it up to this point meaningless. stuff like erwins charge were all for nothing. _spoon_ said: First of all, paradise didn't got bombed coz of eren's actions.I guess but mean the fact that paradise got destroyed though feels like making everything they did pointlessly Secondly, again its comes to the code-geass like ideal peace ending which u disliked? So ummm I am not getting the jist of the situation here, care to elaborate? |
AwokenStroken said: I've been seeing people complaining about the Attack on Titan ending for like probably a year now. It feels kind of overkill... like how often does a series actually end well in the first place anyway? Are people really that surprised about it? I understand the hype and all that but that seems to be more on the audience for expecting so much out of it than anything else, because it feels like a bad ending tends to be the norm in fictitious stories to be completely honest. I mean most don't end as badly as AOT. The vast majority end on pretty just okay or meh ways that said I can name plenty of anime that have good endings. A highly rated title should have a satisfying end point. Plus some titles just don't rely on their ending as much Mushishi for instance because of it's episodic nature the last episode while good doesn't really impact the rest of the story. AOT heavily relied upon it's ending due to the world building, character development etc everything being tied to how the world played out. If that sucks it does undermine everything built up before it. |
_spoon_ said: So u completely ignored my question and went ahead?aotisgoat23 said: I didn't hate the aot ending because it was a sad ending ik a happy ending would not have worked in aots case but having all of paradise bombed feels like making everything they did to protect it up to this point meaningless. stuff like erwins charge were all for nothing. First of all, paradise didn't got bombed coz of eren's actions. Secondly, again its comes to the code-geass like ideal peace ending which u disliked? So ummm I am not getting the jist of the situation here, care to elaborate? Ok I guess? I asked u why if u disliked the ending of code-geass u r still arguing with me that it didn't got a non-sensical-and-idealistic 'permanent peace' for an ending? As to why Paradis was not bombed out of past hatred and Eren's rumbling. Here u go- https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/pkxac1/this_is_why_paradis_wasnt_bombed_bc_of_erens/ |
_spoon_ said: aotisgoat23 said: I didn't hate the aot ending because it was a sad ending ik a happy ending would not have worked in aots case but having all of paradise bombed feels like making everything they did to protect it up to this point meaningless. stuff like erwins charge were all for nothing. First of all, paradise didn't got bombed coz of eren's actions. Secondly, again its comes to the code-geass like ideal peace ending which u disliked? So ummm I am not getting the jist of the situation here, care to elaborate? That’s Isayama giving the middle finger to the fans. |
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aotisgoat23 said: _spoon_ said: Yeah dude's read a few edgy top seinen manga and thinks he can judge the ending and make remarks of it actually destroying everything the series stood for.im gonna be happy if you enjoy the ending bro ^_^ its your opinion after all. i personally thought the ending destroyed everything set up before. if you checked my bio i actually dont enjoy most of the popular battle shonen out right now and i prefer seinen to shonen. next time please check my bio before spreading misinformation :) Grow up kid. U haven't read/watched nearly enough anime/manga to make claims like that lol Endings like code geass which r so idealistic or should I say unrealistic wouldn't have worked here in aot anyway if u thought 'permanent peace' is actually a 'thing' AOT is realistic all right.. realistic if people were that stupid that is what would happen. So yeah realistic in outcome not realistic in decision making. Plus CG while idealistic in ensuring some permanent peace Lelouch's actions do make more sense if his goal was just to ensure a temporary peace or cold war. He would at least to end the world wars going on for his sister while getting some political independence for Japan even if it's likely to be depending on one of the great powers. I will take an ending like that over AOTs any day. There is some logic to his actions (even if CG had a lot of sudden occurrences at the end) there really isn't to Eren's. Plus you aren't well watched or read either dude and why would that matter? Unless it's an anime specific trope or something related to the history of the medium someone who has only seen a few titles but tons of other media or certain relevant topics might be better at making critiques than a fan who has seen like 500 shows. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 14, 2022 8:49 AM
| I think Attack on Titan is the type of the series that you'd expect a good ending from, Isayama has a reputation of thinking pretty far ahead in his story, and filling it with mysteries and foreshadowing that would "make sense later", same thing with other shows that build up a mystery or a question throughout its runtime (Like Monster or Made in Abyss) I think because few series are like that, people don't expect much from the ending, that's why I agree most anime endings are pretty eh. |
| I don't speak English that much, so please cut me some slack |
aotisgoat23 said: ohk I disliked code geass ending because it was contrived, full of plot holes, predictable, and Lelouch's plan was stupid I guess not necessarily because it was a “happy ending“. as for paradise being bombed ik why it happened but the fact that it happened still feels like making everything that happened before pointless even though it made sense that it happened_spoon_ said: So u completely ignored my question and went ahead?I didn't hate the aot ending because it was a sad ending ik a happy ending would not have worked in aots case but having all of paradise bombed feels like making everything they did to protect it up to this point meaningless. stuff like erwins charge were all for nothing. Ok I guess? I asked u why if u disliked the ending of code-geass u r still arguing with me that it didn't got a non-sensical-and-idealistic 'permanent peace' for an ending? As to why Paradis was not bombed out of past hatred and Eren's rumbling. Here u go- https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/pkxac1/this_is_why_paradis_wasnt_bombed_bc_of_erens/ |
_spoon_Jan 14, 2022 8:58 AM
BilboBaggins365 said: I didn't exactly get the point u r trying to make?aotisgoat23 said: Yeah dude's read a few edgy top seinen manga and thinks he can judge the ending and make remarks of it actually destroying everything the series stood for. Grow up kid. U haven't read/watched nearly enough anime/manga to make claims like that lol Endings like code geass which r so idealistic or should I say unrealistic wouldn't have worked here in aot anyway if u thought 'permanent peace' is actually a 'thing' AOT is realistic all right.. realistic if people were that stupid that is what would happen. So yeah realistic in outcome not realistic in decision making. Plus CG while idealistic in ensuring some permanent peace Lelouch's actions do make more sense if his goal was just to ensure a temporary peace or cold war. He would at least to end the world wars going on for his sister while getting some political independence for Japan even if it's likely to be depending on one of the great powers. I will take an ending like that over AOTs any day. There is some logic to his actions (even if CG had a lot of sudden occurrences at the end) there really isn't to Eren's. Plus you aren't well watched or read either dude and why would that matter? Unless it's an anime specific trope or something related to the history of the medium someone who has only seen a few titles but tons of other media or certain relevant topics might be better at making critiques than a fan who has seen like 500 shows. Are u supporting code-geass type ending or a one like aot's? Also securing peace for a 2-3 centuries isn't less in of an accomplishment in the slightest in case of eren's case. |
_spoon_ said: aotisgoat23 said: I didn't hate the aot ending because it was a sad ending ik a happy ending would not have worked in aots case but having all of paradise bombed feels like making everything they did to protect it up to this point meaningless. stuff like erwins charge were all for nothing. First of all, paradise didn't got bombed coz of eren's actions. Secondly, again its comes to the code-geass like ideal peace ending which u disliked? So ummm I am not getting the jist of the situation here, care to elaborate? Erwin's charge was all for nothing since the beginning, Levi messed up, but hey the problem is just the ending right |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| @LordSozin Aot's end didn't contradict anything. As to why Paradis was not bombed out of past hatred and Eren's rumbling. Here u go- https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/pkxac1/this_is_why_paradis_wasnt_bombed_bc_of_erens/ |
I disliked code geass ending because it was contrived, full of plot holes, predictable, and lelouches plan was stupid I am sorry sir but The final act of code-geass, the zero requim, was one othe most well-written plots dawg with comparably less plotholes then the whole franchise combined, so elaborate before u disregard it. Simply saying it got asspults here and there doesn't count to anything. It's not one of the best endings of all time for no effin reason lol. Subjective opinions are not always biased unless they actually have some validity to them. |
aotisgoat23 said: BilboBaggins365 said: I didn't exactly get the point u r trying to make?AOT is realistic all right.. realistic if people were that stupid that is what would happen. So yeah realistic in outcome not realistic in decision making. Plus CG while idealistic in ensuring some permanent peace Lelouch's actions do make more sense if his goal was just to ensure a temporary peace or cold war. He would at least to end the world wars going on for his sister while getting some political independence for Japan even if it's likely to be depending on one of the great powers. I will take an ending like that over AOTs any day. There is some logic to his actions (even if CG had a lot of sudden occurrences at the end) there really isn't to Eren's. Plus you aren't well watched or read either dude and why would that matter? Unless it's an anime specific trope or something related to the history of the medium someone who has only seen a few titles but tons of other media or certain relevant topics might be better at making critiques than a fan who has seen like 500 shows. Are u supporting code-geass type ending or a one like aot's? Also securing peace for a 2-3 centuries isn't less in of an accomplishment in the slightest in case of eren's case. My point I am making it's ridiculous for one to go after a guy on his watch count when you have barely have seen much more than him and also lack variety. I could just easily argue your opinions are worthless too going off your own logic. Spoilers for AOT: Lelouch at least did secure peace for his sister and get Japan autonomy that was his goal at the beginning of the story. It might not be eternal but the end results of his actions do make vastly more sense than Eren. The world could actually get better. Edit: Some reason I forgot to add spoiler tags |
BilboBaggins365Jan 14, 2022 9:16 AM
| It may be that I'm now confused after watching a lot of anime that interested me even a little bit not considering it's bad or good, but I just don't understand what is the big deal of an anime having a bad ending. What do we even consider bad ending? Usually an anime just shows us what the author wanted to show other people, so it is just that we (if we complaining a lot about it) not wanted to see that and had different expectations. A show can't please everyone to begin with and a show having an ending that we don't like is even more better then not having anything. Isn't that just people is complaining too much about that they didn't got what they wanted? Btw, please not start the hater speak here to me, I didn't read AoT manga and such. |
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There is a lot of assumptions within that thread too that it would be impossible to work with other states. Well it seems so coz of the incredibly rushed ending that yams gave us. So making a few headcanons won't cause any harm unless the anime do 139 justice and actually expand on what exactly happened.Also I would like to know what else u found illogical in that thread coz...ufcrse I need some elaboration to give an appropriate answer later on. Secondly, yeah we can't really estimate the exact time of the carpet-bombing coz it was never specified anywhere. So gotta go with some 'presumptions' again there and its best to say that it wasn't exactly a short period of time. |
aotisgoat23 said: first off the plan. the world's hatred focusing on something would no longer end the cycle of hatred. take Adolf Hitler, for example, he did worse than Lelouch could ever have done yet people still hate each other and there is still war. next. the final act was completely out of place they should have shown what Lelouch did in those 2 months. it felt extremely rushed, there were still a lot of loose ends that were not tied. how did Suzaku survive? will people realize Suzaku isn't zero? how did Nunnally survive the F.L.E.I.J.A.? how did she even get her vision back in the first place? the fact that Suzaku was able to run faster than the bullets is stupid. the fact no one saw him coming is stupid as well. i could go on but i won't. i still respect your opinion bro ^~^I disliked code geass ending because it was contrived, full of plot holes, predictable, and lelouches plan was stupid I am sorry sir but The final act of code-geass, the zero requim, was one othe most well-written plots dawg with comparably less plotholes then the whole franchise combined, so elaborate before u disregard it. Simply saying it got asspults here and there doesn't count to anything. It's not one of the best endings of all time for no effin reason lol. Subjective opinions are not always biased unless they actually have some validity to them. |
_spoon_Jan 14, 2022 9:15 AM
aotisgoat23 said: There is a lot of assumptions within that thread too that it would be impossible to work with other states. Well it seems so coz of the incredibly rushed ending that yams gave us. So making a few headcanons won't cause any harm unless the anime do 139 justice and actually expand on what exactly happened.Also I would like to know what else u found illogical in that thread coz...ufcrse I need some elaboration to give an appropriate answer later on. Secondly, yeah we can't really estimate the exact time of the carpet-bombing coz it was never specified anywhere. So gotta go with some 'presumptions' again there and its best to say that it wasn't exactly a short period of time. Headcanons are fine for fans but it doesn't count to what the world is being discussed. Too much of that thread is someone's headcanon. If that is how he enjoys AOT that is fine. I am not going to judge someone for that but it's not relevant to the rest of us looking at the work itself. |
| @BilboBaggins365 I wasn't exactly bullying the guy right there and ufcrse I know I haven't even watched enough titles to say stuff like that, My motive was to convey that making claims like 'the ending destroyed every single thing the series ever stood for' is a bit of an overkill thing to say unless u have a well experienced ass and have a better grasp to the concept of 'bad endings'. Nothing else so cool down on that one dawg I wasn't bragging shit coz ufcrse I know where I stand. |
aotisgoat23 said: @BilboBaggins365 I wasn't exactly bullying the guy right there and ufcrse I know I haven't even watched enough titles to say stuff like that, My motive was to convey that making claims like 'the ending destroyed every single thing the series ever stood for' is a bit of an overkill thing to say unless u have a well experienced ass and have a better grasp to the concept of 'bad endings'. Nothing else so cool down on that one dawg I wasn't bragging shit coz ufcrse I know where I stand. I am just saying why can't he judge if the ending is bad or not? He could have hundreds of good books read on good reads, is a film buff, played tons of story based games, done classes on writing and storytelling etc. All that really matters is has he supported his view points or not. What you have seen within the medium is only relevant if you are making a claim about the medium itself and it's tropes and history otherwise to me it's irrelevant. |
He could have hundreds of good books read on good reads, is a film buff, played tons of story based games, done classes on writing and storytelling etc I am sorry but I could only say stuff in regards to someone's animelist[in regards to this site] sir so I can't exactly predict what one's actual grasp on literature is....So guess it was my bad then. Peace out! |
| yes this infamous good ending or happy ending thingy almost ruined many manga like demon slayer and hell's paradise |
You all have to undrestand that Chainsaw man is impossible to adapt without CG. |
AwokenStroken said: like how often does a series actually end well in the first place anyway? Hit the nail on the head. I think this is why the ending is so reviled. Simply because of a lack of experience with them. Most epic fantasy novel series I've read had a meh ending. Most JRPGs end in a way very similar to AoT. It's not a big deal. |
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Katou81 said: AoT fandom are a bunch of crybabies. They throw a fit whenever they don't get what they want.... Studio change? tantrum... character dies? tantrum... story ended? tantrum... The best way to deal with them is to pretend they don't exist. Oh and the ending was good btw King OF Opinions, DRINK a gallon of milk and start spitting.  |
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| As an anime only, I doubt aot will have a "bad ending" Even if it does, by an off chance so off that it flew off to bloody Narnia, I don't think It'll make a bad impression First, bad or good ending doesn't matter for my overall image of a show Second, the only time i can agree an anime has a bad ending, is if it uses a deus ex machine. I fucking love Occultic Nine, but the ending was really bad. Do I care tho, still no. But hating on anime ending that "IT ConTRaDIcTS Its THEmeS" is just fucking dumb to me. If u think it contradicts something, then go watch it again and try to form an understanding of what the author actually intended. There is nothing wrong with that. From what I know, Isayama is getting hate for not spoonfeeding the detailed themes of his story into the mouths of the fans that ironically proclaim to be "smart". |
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| This, we have seen many times mangas have bad or mediocre ending. I love SNK, even tho for me the ending wasn’t amazing, it doesn’t erase the great journey it had for most of its run. People just expect too much sometimes. I don’t think SNK was the kind of story that relied on an ending or a revelation at the end to be great. |
| Tbh the ending ain't even that bad. Imo the theme Isayama was trying to convey was pretty difficult and he didn't have enough chapters to cover it anyway. I'm pretty satisfied with the ending even though it isn't the best ending this series can get. |
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BerriesSan said: Katou81 said: AoT fandom are a bunch of crybabies. They throw a fit whenever they don't get what they want.... Studio change? tantrum... character dies? tantrum... story ended? tantrum... The best way to deal with them is to pretend they don't exist. Oh and the ending was good btw King OF Opinions, DRINK a gallon of milk and start spitting. Well, they call me the FAX machine. Cuz my opinions are fax |
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EndlessMaria said: Most anime/manga endings are pretty bad. It's more difficult to think of great endings than it is to think of mediocre, bad, or terrible endings. I think the average anime ending ends up being disappointing to some degree. This is exactly my take. I would say that 75% of the anime I've watched either have a bad ending, or no real ending at all (as in they just cut off, waiting for an announcement of S2 or hinting to the audience to read the manga). I would also argue that the modern seasonal structure of anime, giving most shows only 12, sometimes 24 episodes to wrap things up does not help. Bad endings in anime are something that is very normalised to me sadly. |
| Usual bad endings are what makes me appreciate good endings more (Assassination classroom is a good example) So bad endings are actually very common I think, especially if the show is well written before conclusion, it just leaves more to be desired |
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