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small44 said: Gowasu is so stupid to tell Zamasu about the Dragon ball despite knowing Zamasu bad intention. #Plot #Naivety I wonder if the degree of the injury will affect the strength obtained after recovering from it, and if so, will Vegeta become stronger than Goku after recovering? daman246 said: sigh can someone explain to me how is Trunks SSj2 able to somehow fight against Black Goku who is in God form, this makes absolutely no sense, Vegeta got beat easily and now we see trunks SSj2 somehow block his attack, these animators are just trowing things in there without making any sense, i sure miss the days when a SSj1 couldnt even move a SSj2 or similar cause the power level were that much different, but now SSj2 is somehow as strong as SSj3 and SSJB, they make goku stronger when he needs to be and weaker when its needed for plot only kids fall for this. Trunks attacks should feel like a tickle to black goku the same way when goku/vegeta punched Brolly. i mean trunks was no match for him in his Base form while he was in SSJ2 now Black power increase by more than 500x so how is it that trunks can still hold his own, its illogical, trunks should be less than an ant in front of Black, but it seems the animators said well lets BS it and make trunks even more powerfull in his SSj2 mode even tho it makes no sense, boom SSJ2 just got another boost to SSJ B mode. sure hope the manga does not show trunks fighting at all, just how goku and hit match was stupid in the anime, Kaoiken x10 + SSJ does not exist because that make goku almost invincible, i mean just imagine SSJ x 10 its form thats x50= x500 and SSj2 is x100=1000. pretty much invincible to me Well, in the manga trunk's SSJ2 when fully exploited can stand up to Goku's SSJ3, plus he didn't fight so long against Black there, only held some ground for a while. Also Zanmasu might not even be that much stronger, if casual Trunks SSJ2 + his sword could be somewhat similar to Goku SSJ2, then it'd make sense for him to "beat" Zanmasu, if we didn't consider he's immortal. At the beginning Goku might just be trying to get what's different and leveling down a bit with Zanmasu, he only breaks his balance once after all before Black joins again. Of course it's not perfect sense, but it's still halfly decent. |
NeBuchan said: daman246 said: sigh can someone explain to me how is Trunks SSj2 able to somehow fight against Black Goku who is in God form, this makes absolutely no sense, Vegeta got beat easily and now we see trunks SSj2 somehow block his attack, these animators are just trowing things in there without making any sense, i sure miss the days when a SSj1 couldnt even move a SSj2 or similar cause the power level were that much different, but now SSj2 is somehow as strong as SSj3 and SSJB, they make goku stronger when he needs to be and weaker when its needed for plot only kids fall for this. Trunks attacks should feel like a tickle to black goku the same way when goku/vegeta punched Brolly. i mean trunks was no match for him in his Base form while he was in SSJ2 now Black power increase by more than 500x so how is it that trunks can still hold his own, its illogical. Maybe because he didn't fought Black Goku? All what he did was transform into SSJ2 while being such angry, join fight out from nowhere that Black didn't noticed, he just attacked him once, thats all. Why people crying about that he did better in SSJ2 than Vegeta in SSJB? Vegeta attacked Black like an idiot and that what happened, now Goku & Trunks knew what can they do and started to fight. It's not like Vegeta is bad and Goku is strong as fuck, its just Black expected Vegeta to do something like this and he prepared for attack like this. Now he was aware of Goku, Zamasu lost to SSJ2 Goku in their time-line, so it's nothing for Trunks actually which using SSJ2 too, its only that he is unkillable now. PS. SPOILERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, Next 10 episode names, but nobody know if they're correct I don't think these are correct, given that if Goku and Vegeta were to die they'd have died on this one ep, and then again they are already back in the present... Still who knows what lies ahead. |
| Pretty sure Black came from the alternate restored Earth from Champa's universe... |
| So not only do they have to deal with future Zamasu and Black, but present Zamasu who apparently succeeds on wishing on the Super Dragoballs. Sigh...they're looking pretty fucked here. I imagine Beerus and Whis finally stepping in to fight at some point this arc. |
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NeBuchan said: Actually it can be true, at the end of episode we see Zamasu meeting Goku's at their timeline. Who knows. But I hope it's a lie. Hmm, I don't remember that you sure? Either way the EP 58 already has a different title and if you read the article it says that it's already been proven fake. All I'm saying is that that doesn't mean it wouldn't happen eventually xD Thing is, Toriyama usually doesn't handle the anime with balls because of how the fans feel, so it's very unlikely |
xizor said: It would be really stupid if Zamasu wished for immortality. It has nothing to do with his goals. I would expect him to wish for elimination of mortals or something like that (which clearly he didn't). What would happen if Goku and Vegeta died in the future? Would they go to the afterlife where they already are? Can they fuse with their other selves? Also with the time machine they can go one second into the past (creating alternate reality), kidnap Piccolo or Buu and have them fuse with their present self. Then repeat for infinite power. If Black is the God of destruction and his tool to reach his goal, he has to make sure that he doesn't die himself or it would kill Black as well. Of course, you don't want to die so that's enough of a reason to wish for "immortality" (they should have said invulnerability it fits better in that case). And because Black keeps getting stronger in such short amount of time, he might be too difficult to be taken down. Zamasu did a really smart thing if it's the case. |
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| Wow nice EP! Fight was awesome, I fangirled a little when I saw Trunks using final flash ^^ Have not expected the super dragonball showing up so fast again. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| I facepalmed when Gowasu told Zamasu about the Super Dragon Balls |
| There was some nice animation. I am happy to see a good old action packed scene. I actually am liking this plot, the mystery of Zamasu and Black can be nice explained with the cliche desired of Frieza "Use the DragonBalls for inmortality". LOL Frieza should have asked for that before going for his revenge. GodTube is a freaking gold mine. Imagine having your own Gods as followers, that sound like a lot of cash XD |
| Animation was really good this episode. Loved the Kamitube part XD. Can't wait for next one. Great episode. |
| Zamasu will use the Super Dragon Balls to get immortality I guess...that explains his further self being immortal, now the question is still Black's identity... |
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| Truncks was able to fight well with green guy, but Vegeta... Are they going to get a power up for the upcoming episode since for the Saiyan race, they power up after a defeat. So, green guy become immortal from the wish of the super dragon balls. |
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| Wow, the animation for the fight between Goku and Black looked really impressive! |
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| Amazing episode. The fight between Black and Goku or Trunks and Zamasu was pretty impressive. I really liked the animation. Trunks was only in SSJ Form but looked so strong. And to see a Final Flash of him, so good :) So Zamasu has an imortal body? I would really like to know how he got it. I think it has something to do with the Super Dragonballs. I also didn't expect to see Black also being able to do the Instant Transmission. Atm it looks really hopeless for Goku and co. Curious what will happen next. PS: The God Tube scene at the end was really funny :D |
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daman246 said: Jotakak said: Pretty sure Black came from the alternate restored Earth from Champa's universe... Mind blown, the answer was right in everyones face, that makes sense in every way shape and form if you remove the timeline altogether but i mean its the super dragonballs so they might have done some godly stuff, but yea normally goku was suppose to be this evil character and the new universe seems to incorporate this 100% Glad someone noticed what I said! I didn't see anyone else point out that theory but it just seems so obvious now that if it wasn't that, I'd be shocked. |
Jotakak said: daman246 said: Mind blown, the answer was right in everyones face, that makes sense in every way shape and form if you remove the timeline altogether but i mean its the super dragonballs so they might have done some godly stuff, but yea normally goku was suppose to be this evil character and the new universe seems to incorporate this 100% Glad someone noticed what I said! I didn't see anyone else point out that theory but it just seems so obvious now that if it wasn't that, I'd be shocked. I've always thought 'alternate' universes were different to the 'multiverse' theory? meaning, wouldnt they have different/new people altogether? so Champa's 'verse wont even have a Goku... I'm getting confused... |
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| I know anime and manga differ but here they really missed the point of power levels... It's much worse than DBGT, it is not even funny. But anyways, this episode... That was a future Zamasu?? No villain in the canon timeline has ever gotten the chance for an immortality wish... That's definitely the worst kind lol |
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Rekien said: Maybe zamasu is much weaker than black? i dont even know anymore lol...just the fact that trunks can actualy travel to a past that shouldnt exist on his timeline at all, alredy fucks my mind. How on Earth can Trunks hit SSJ Rose Black Goku? Even if it was off guard, the power difference is just abismal... It didn't make sense, the whole idea of SSJ hair colours (red, blue, yellow) blew my mind seriously lol |
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mimi_pearlbaton said: Jotakak said: Glad someone noticed what I said! I didn't see anyone else point out that theory but it just seems so obvious now that if it wasn't that, I'd be shocked. I've always thought 'alternate' universes were different to the 'multiverse' theory? meaning, wouldnt they have different/new people altogether? so Champa's 'verse wont even have a Goku... I'm getting confused... Well, there was a different version of Frieza from that universe. /shrug |
| Holy hell the animation in this episode was absolutely horrendous, like watching a newgrounds flash video. |
| Welp. I really liked the fights in Z better because you could see the difference in ss1 2 and 3. But here, meh.Trunks can stand up against rose in his ss2 which completely pawned vegeta and got a hit against goku. And that final flash though, that was weak, to think he said he used all of his power in it. I mean that's an ss2 already, their little balls could blow up mountains. These are some instances in DB universe that make them look weaker compared to other anime. Hopefully, they go up another notch again. |
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| Still can't understand why Zamas continue calling Goku a human with god powers, doesn't he know that Goku is a saiyajin?. With that amount of power in fighting they would destroy de planet only with a little fight, I mean, they fight with the power of gods. The background animation is bad but the characters design is kind of getting better. Is the first time in ball super that I feel this sense of danger, and that's very good, I hope it gets more serious. |
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Solewun said: j0x said: so its safe to say that Zamasu wished the Super Dragon Balls to make him immortal and thats why Trunks stabbing him in the future has no effect they actually made that painfully obvious And I don't know, maybe turning Goku bad too. |
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| well, the power scaling in this was really questionable.. I'd say Trunks was so strong because he was angry (?) but whatever, this episode was great nonetheless. whats up with DB und one piece now, they both turned it up this week |
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| I realy like the episode, but, i think that is someting wrong about two Zamasus. I mean, why would a future Zamasu hates Goku if Goku is dead on the future? Or it is the same Zamasu from the past that use the ring to go to the future? I am realy lost on that point... |
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| So it is fair to say that Goku hitch riding Whis & Beerus and meeting Zamasu was and is his biggest blunder... I like a lot the fighting dynamics of this episode (tag team and solo fights) but damn Goku and Co. got REKT! Lelouchxd said: Maybe he only wished for an immortal body and not a power increment (he is arrogant narcissist)... Remember a Super Saiyan (Goku) provided a good match against Zamatsu so is not so farfetched that Trunks could have a decent match against him…So how can trunks fight them in a super saiyan form, while everyone else is a god ? Lord_Odous said: This...Trunks held himself up well against Zamasu, whose present version could not stand up against SSJ2 Goku. I am buying this one. He did not really fight Black for too long, mostly it's Goku so it's hard to say Trunks managed to keep up with Black. Ryuganezco said: I have to agree the title was a mayor spoiler!When Trunks went through Zamasu with his sword could have been a surprising scene, if it were not for the title advance that this guy was immortal. LovelyHikari said: +1Peculator said: why don't Goku just use his Super Saiyan Blue Kaio Ken?! That's a pretty risky move seeing as Black knows the IT, so he can freely dodge Goku's powered up attacks at will. That SSB KKx10 was Goku's last resort move and even King Kai warned Goku that if he did it again his body would not take it well. Goku's better off turning SSB 2. Barion-Zara said: +1Yajirobe to the rescue lol how nostalgic scabab said: I also don’t have a problem since DB a weak guy has manage to dodge and even damage a much stronger character... beside the two villains were clearly toying with the heroes they arent full power yet...The power levels made perfect sense, what's the issue? NeBuchan said: +1scabab said: I also don’t have a problem since DB a weak guy has manage to dodge and even damage a much stronger character... beside the two villains were clearly toying with the heroes they arent full power yet...The power levels made perfect sense, what's the issue? Maybe because he didn't fought Black Goku? All what he did was transform into SSJ2 while being such angry, join fight out from nowhere that Black didn't noticed, he just attacked him once, thats all. Why people crying about that he did better in SSJ2 than Vegeta in SSJB? Vegeta attacked Black like an idiot and that what happened, now Goku & Trunks knew what can they do and started to fight. It's not like Vegeta is bad and Goku is strong as fuck, its just Black expected Vegeta to do something like this and he prepared for attack like this. Now he was aware of Goku, Zamasu lost to SSJ2 Goku in their time-line, so it's nothing for Trunks actually which using SSJ2 too, its only that he is unkillable now. Jotakak said: Pretty good theory you got there...Pretty sure Black came from the alternate restored Earth from Champa's universe... SilverDio said: QFTWThere was some nice animation. I am happy to see a good old action packed scene. bkim999 said: I like this concept!Snappynator said: Zamasu will use the Super Dragon Balls to get immortality I guess...that explains his further self being immortal, now the question is still Black's identity... After all this new information. I theorise that Black is actually a type of God of Destruction that Zamasu is paired with (reason why their Ki is similar but different). If you recall, a God Destruction and Kaoshin comes as a pair where if one dies, the other does too like how Beerus is a pair with Supreme Kai (Shin). He was taught by his teacher that Destruction/Purging is the job of a God of Destruction so he couldn't do it (and thus not annihilate humans), and since Zamasu was still a apprentice at the time he probably had no God of Destruction and even if he did have one, there was a chance it wouldn't want to annihilate humanity like he wanted. So he wished for one from the Super Dragonballs (or maybe wished for his Kaoshin status to get his God of Destruction pair up). This way he can have a God of Destruction do his work while at the same time ensure the God of Destruction's loyalty/partnership. The result was Black. king_vegeta_2810 said: Ah, good one... Keep them coming...Anyone else getting the feeling that maybe gowas is possibly black?? Kinda got that feeling when he was watching the goku hit battle on kamitube. Maybe he took on zamasu's ideal after he wishes for immortality that's my theory for now |
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RobertoMCF said: I realy like the episode, but, i think that is someting wrong about two Zamasus. I mean, why would a future Zamasu hates Goku if Goku is dead on the future? Or it is the same Zamasu from the past that use the ring to go to the future? I am realy lost on that point... It's a different Zamasu who gates Goku for a different unknown reason. Yeah Goku's dead but he could have still met him in otherworld. |
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scabab said: RobertoMCF said: I realy like the episode, but, i think that is someting wrong about two Zamasus. I mean, why would a future Zamasu hates Goku if Goku is dead on the future? Or it is the same Zamasu from the past that use the ring to go to the future? I am realy lost on that point... It's a different Zamasu who gates Goku for a different unknown reason. Yeah Goku's dead but he could have still met him in otherworld. Man I forgot about the otherworld, we will need to wait to see =/ mangacomic said: RobertoMCF said: I realy like the episode, but, i think that is someting wrong about two Zamasus. I mean, why would a future Zamasu hates Goku if Goku is dead on the future? Or it is the same Zamasu from the past that use the ring to go to the future? I am realy lost on that point... This is so bizarre, too. There are so many specific circumstances in the original timeline that cause Goku to meet and spar with Zamasu like meeting Beerus and Whis. So how can a dead Goku in the future ended up meeting Zamasu and fighting each other? I hope they will have a story to explain all that but along with the nonsensical power level, I feel this show just doesn't give a sh*t about consistencies. It's better to watch with your brain off. I will do exactly that! Turn my brain off! hahahahaha |
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| I don't actually care about the power level inconsistencies here so much, but I will hazard a guess that Zamasu is weaker than Black - he's just immortal which is why he basically never takes any damage or loses power. Black might also be immortal too, which would explain why he's able to instantly power up from the damage he takes. Instead of needing to wait to heal in order to be stronger, he just automatically becomes stronger the moment he's been hit. Anyway I can tell that these coming weeks are going to feel like an eternity due to how much momentum the series has going right now. Can't hardly wait for the next episode. |
| The animation when they fought against Black and Zamasu were actually not bad. It were surprisingly good. I hoped that we could see the Sayian mode Goku used against Hit, but I believe they are saving it for later. I only hope they make the next fight more interesting and let goku use that mode he used against Hit. And damn, GodTube or GodTuber? Really? -.-' What a bad rip off. LOL |
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j0x said: Lelouchxd said: So how can trunks fight them in a super saiyan form, while everyone else is a god ? its much better explained in the latest chapter of the manga (chapter 15) elior1 said: actully it seems he will make a wish to the dragon ball next episode preview so meybe then he will wish to be immortal ye i saw the preview for the next episode on this same episode thats why i said that please don't go for manga and anime comparisons. they are doing lil' different from each other. |
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