animezinghayden said: He is using some katakana English but basically his argument is animation companies aren't taking risks anymore to make new IPs the majority are relying on already established series or mangas or tropes even to create the same thing over and over again. In the 70s and 80s there were more original animations coming out but now it's less and less. That's the gist of it I got his point, half of my family speaks really broken english. Like I said before, I thought his first post was trolling rather than genuine and I've admitted to that mistake. |
tragedydesu said: the quality of anime in the last 3 years is laughable and now we got ton of fujoshit and reverse harem glad there is something called video games and asian drama anime can go fuck himself If you only watch shitty anime, of course, you will end up thinking that way. What I am trying to say is: be more selective with which anime you are going to watch. Only pick up what you think you will like instead of just starting anything - and if you don't like what you're seeing at least put it on-hold and just watch something else instead. I can guarantee you that with this technique you will not end up thinking the way you do. |
| I don't know if anyone has read all of the replies, but this looks like the ultimate elitist thread xD. |
| Yeah, anime was only good before 2008 or 2010 or x year within the past 10 years This is such a new and refreshing thread Nowadays it's all just cute girls doing cute things, what happened to my super intellectual and gripping narratives with cool manly dialogue that was never over-the-top and cheesy and ridiculously easy to make fun of, nowadays people look down on anime because of these weebs, it was never like this before It's all just otaku bait, smh, I wish people would be as smart as me and you and realize that |
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| It's not that the 2010's are worse, it's just that there are more trash to rival the amount of great shows out there. This current decade gave us: Stein's Gate Fate/Zero Attack on Titan Most Gintama shows Showa Genrou Rakugo Shinju One Punch Man Psycho Pass Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya Carnival Phantasm And many more legendary and critically acclaimed shows then any other decade! Sure, there's more crap, but at the same time, there's just as if not MORE great anime out there. Just look at the top 30, and a good chunk of those, ESPECIALLY for the top 10, are filled with 2010- shows. |
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| There are a fuck ton of awesome 2010s anime. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| @Vanessa im already highly picky (sometimes i give try to low rated anime) i enjoyed a lot of anime during 2010 to 2013 but no one can deny the quality of anime during 2014 and 2015 declined a lot not going to judge 2016 now but winter was shit |
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BRB-kun said: If I had to say anything, it is that western cartoons are in decline, not anime. Not as bad as the mid 2000's. Nowadays we are getting Teen Titans Go!(die in a fire), and Power Puff Girls (can do the same), but we still have Steven Universe (of wonderment and pleasantness)., and from what I've heard, We Bare Bears is pretty good. Sure, a few years to a year back, wehad Steven Universe, Regular Show (at its prime), Gravity Falls, and more to challenge the cesspool of trash, and nowadays it's starting to lose a bit of strength, but it's not THAT bad in terms of decline. Besides, name 5 good cartoon shows that premiered 2006-2009. I can only name a few: Generatory Rex, Symbiotic Titan, and Star Wars the Clone Wars. |
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animezinghayden said: Elitist is such a bizzare term, it refers to being better than someone at something. How can someone be better at watching anime than someone else, it's fucking embarrassing weaboo bullshit More like the response from the first page of this thread are actually saying that the older anime is better than modern anime, modern anime is crap. I mean just read the responses from the first page and its people being elitist about old anime better than modern anime (which is a huge blanket statement anyways). |
CodeBlazeFate said: It's not that the 2010's are worse, it's just that there are more trash to rival the amount of great shows out there. This current decade gave us: Stein's Gate Fate/Zero Attack on Titan Most Gintama shows Showa Genrou Rakugo Shinju One Punch Man Psycho Pass Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya Carnival Phantasm And many more legendary and critically acclaimed shows then any other decade! Sure, there's more crap, but at the same time, there's just as if not MORE great anime out there. Just look at the top 30, and a good chunk of those, ESPECIALLY for the top 10, are filled with 2010- shows. Mal scores say nothing. S;G was good, but not awesome. F/Z is on my favs, but again for me it was very entertaining, but it's not that good. I even prefer FSN2006 it it's flawed form over F/Z. As for the rest of the shows you mentioned I either haven't watched them or I would have no interest in them. I myself tend to like comedies and SoLs, I'm getting plenty of those so I'm not complaining. But even with SoLs we are still getting pretty decent ones, for example Mushishi for those who don't like cute girls doing cute things. Usagi Drop too. I'm not too familiar with shows that aren't SoL/comedy but I'm sure there are pretty decent ones out there in other genres as well. |
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| I'll fucking list all the awesome stuff I've seen from the 2010s: Akagami no Shirayuki-hime Arslan Senki Boku no Hero Academia Carnival Phantasm Concrete Revolutio Durarara!! Fate JoJo Continued monogatari Katanagatari Kekkai Sensen Kill la Kill Little Witch Academia Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Mawaru Penguindrum more Mushishi One Punch Man Ping Pong The Animation Psycho-Pass Rokka no Yuusha Kids on a Slope Shingeki no Bahamut: Genesis Shinsekai yori Shirobako Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu Space☆Dandy Steins;Gate Uchuu Patrol Luluco Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei (tatami galaxy) That's a lot of fucking awesome stuff. Have you seen all those shows? No? Don't call modern anime shit then. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
animezinghayden said: Dude people are free to enjoy whatever they want, the 90s gave us berserk, cowboy bebop, trigun, ghost in the shell ect, the 2000s gave us Gintama, full metal alchemist, mushishi, baccano, samurai champloo ect ect, the 2010s gave us more Gintama, steins gate, ano hana, psycho pass, AoT ect and that's just naming the ones of the top of my head. I think it all depends on nostalgia, the amount of content (which has increased) and the accumulation of what everyone else he already said. I agree with you, I love both old and modern anime, but no need to put down an entire grouping of anime (not talking about you, but people in this thread) released after a certain year just because of the dates they were released or think that people are better for watching certain ones is my point. Both modern and old anime have their strong points and weak points, there is a happy medium to not get caught up in this idea of Modern is better/Old is better argument form of elitism (I know wrong use of word according to your definition, MAL is special and uses their own definitions for certain words xDDD). |
| I mean to be fair I've only seen 14 shows from the 80s, 15 from the 91s and 71 from the 2000s compared to the 129 from the 2010s but still plenty of really cool shit out there. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
animezinghayden said: Cejara said: dude I'm with you 100% sorry if my response didn't seem that way. This argument is always weird because I look at the animes I watched first like trigun, cowboy bebop even clannad and Gintama and they will always be my favourite because that's when everything was new and fresh, a decade later and anime isn't new and fresh to me anymore and I think that's how it works for a lot of people so they all have these illusions of anime from a different time were better. But that list posted earlier was a perfect example, there have been so many brilliant shows in the past 6 years and they probably average out to ten great shows a year, a lot of average and even more shit, which is what is said towards the beginning of this threadI agree with you, I love both old and modern anime, but no need to put down an entire grouping of anime released after a certain year just because of the dates they were released or think that people are better for watching certain ones is my point. Both modern and old anime have their strong points and weak points, there is a happy medium to not get caught up in this idea of Modern is better/Old is better argument form of elitism (I know wrong use of word according to your definition, MAL is special and uses their own definitions for certain words xDDD). Yeah I get what your saying. Its kind of nostalgic when you think of the first time you watched those older shows. Although I didn't watch the older shows until modern times now and not their initial release or anywhere close to that. I still enjoyed them immensely though. Although Trigun was one of the few I did watch during its initial release and loved it. I have yet to pick it back up though. |
| Well, sad for you I suppose, because I absolutely love the anime we are getting this last years. The fantastic amount of anime we're getting lately creates so many variety, if one likes moe, there, have some, fan of shoujo? 3 or 4 more for you, you want a more serious anime? There are always 2 or 3 of them. This makes that everyone has something he's interested in every time, and that's awesome, you don't have to like the 30+ anime that airs every season, just find the ones that you may like. |
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animezinghayden said: SenpaiJay98 said: 2 years is nothing for Anime and manga Maybe for a fanatic anime fan, but for a normal human being it is. Honestly could only name 1 anime I watched from two years ago It's kind of the opposite. The fanatic anime fan watches more anime, so he/she would deplete his anime supply faster meaning he spends more time waiting for good anime. You generally only expect 1 8/10 franchise per 1.5 years. 9-10/10 are every 4-6 years. |
doom19876 said: CodeBlazeFate said: It's not that the 2010's are worse, it's just that there are more trash to rival the amount of great shows out there. This current decade gave us: Stein's Gate Fate/Zero Attack on Titan Most Gintama shows Showa Genrou Rakugo Shinju One Punch Man Psycho Pass Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya Carnival Phantasm And many more legendary and critically acclaimed shows then any other decade! Sure, there's more crap, but at the same time, there's just as if not MORE great anime out there. Just look at the top 30, and a good chunk of those, ESPECIALLY for the top 10, are filled with 2010- shows. Mal scores say nothing. S;G was good, but not awesome. F/Z is on my favs, but again for me it was very entertaining, but it's not that good. I even prefer FSN2006 it it's flawed form over F/Z. As for the rest of the shows you mentioned I either haven't watched them or I would have no interest in them. I myself tend to like comedies and SoLs, I'm getting plenty of those so I'm not complaining. But even with SoLs we are still getting pretty decent ones, for example Mushishi for those who don't like cute girls doing cute things. Usagi Drop too. I'm not too familiar with shows that aren't SoL/comedy but I'm sure there are pretty decent ones out there in other genres as well. Not necessarily. Scores like with Pupa say quite a bit, and shows like BlazBlue Alter Memory have deservedly low MAL scores. I haven't seen F/SN, and I can't find a good way to at the moment, but I doubt it'll live up to /Zero or even UBW. I haven't seen all of what I've listed either, but the point is, many awesome shows have come out these past 6 years, and people should give more credit to that instead of looking as Asterisk War and going "ANIME SUCKS NOW" when it's still doing fine. Sure, it's not as big as 2007, but Fall 2012 is the most popular season on MAL due to how many big shows came that season (not super juggernauts aside from SAO) but many big hits like Psycho Pass. Sure this decade isn't as known for comedy (aside from most Gintama shows) like say, the 2000's, but it was still a rather good decade. |
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| Huhuhuhu Animus from 2010 is on a decline I miss the animus from stone age where the only genre they have so far is hee huu hee huu huu huu hah hah now it's full of cancerous high school shows,isekai and ecchi shows, huhuhu if only most of the animus these days can match the quality of Gumball, Gravity Falls, cavs vs warriors game 7, NGNL ,AOT,KLK but nope they still continue producing cancerous shits like ping pong, aria, fate zero,shinsekai yori mushishi,jojo,shirobako etc. Sigh I'll just go back to watching adventure time at least its worth the time |
MizunashiJul 13, 2016 6:09 AM
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| All the cartoons you named are just episodic comedies, by no means are those game changing. |
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animezinghayden said: SenpaiJay98 said: 2 years is nothing for Anime and manga Maybe for a fanatic anime fan, but for a normal human being it is. Honestly could only name 1 anime I watched from two years ago No matter what the medium is, 2 years is still a blink of an eye. If you wanna talk about how long it takes for the mediocre stuff to be forgotten, you're not dealing in single-digit years--you're dealing in decades. |
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BRB-kun said: If I had to say anything, it is that western cartoons are in decline, not anime. With the new Powerpuff Girls and the new Teen Titans coming out they proved that they can't even get a tried and tested formula right.. |
| Hmmm I was wondering, if shows in the 90s were simulcasted each season like what we do now, then what if it turns out the ratio of shit shows to good ones were the same from then compared to now? If people forget mediocre shows in decades, this could explain why OP says the 90s had great shows because he has already forgotten (or havent seen) the crappy anime from back then. |
| Finished 2 anime. Opinion is literally invalid. |
| Actually, it's cartoons that have declined. CN, Nickelodeon, Fox Kids had a lot of great shows, but now they are just empty shells of themselves. Just look at The Simpsons and Spongebob. They both should just end already; it's painful to watch how bad they've gotten. Years ago I watched the new Tom & Jerry (not sure if it's still going), and I was like "what happened?" To make it PG, all the violent, crazy antics Tom and Jerry got into were gone. Might as well make a new Bugs Bunny cartoon where he hates carrots. Scooby-Doo also had an awful new TV series. Looks to me that, for the most part, the art of the cartoon has been forgotten in the US. In exchange, we get more flash animated ridiculous comedies (trying and failing to be Ren and Stimpy) with the occasional not-terrible show. MasterHavik said: I know the media can still go work but I feel it is overshadowed by high school anime with shouen elements or just romance comedies to shake a stick at. Maybe you haven't been keeping up, but just looking at this Summer season, this is not true at all. There's indeed "a lot of the same" in anime, but then again, there's a lot of everything. There are literally thousands of anime out there that don't take place in a high school or near one. |
BatoKusanagiJul 13, 2016 7:52 AM
on Mizunashii said: Huhuhuhu Animus from 2010 is on a decline I miss the animus from stone age where the only genre they have so far is hee huu hee huu huu huu hah hah now it's full of cancerous high school shows,isekai and ecchi shows, huhuhu if only most of the animus these days can match the quality of Gumball, Gravity Falls, cavs vs warriors game 7, NGNL ,AOT,KLK but nope they still continue producing cancerous shits like ping pong, aria, fate zero,shinsekai yori mushishi,jojo,shirobako etc. Sigh I'll just go back to watching adventure time at least its worth the time Most anime is way better than attack on titan. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I really hope this is a troll post and you're not actually this close-minded and stupid |
bikers123 said: Also, I'm pretty sure that you consider good anime that do not conform to your taste to be garbage. With such a limited perspective and understanding, I don't think you're going to convince anyone. This is the reason for all threads like this one, I think. Just because the season has a lot of shoujo anime, they go all "anime is in decline". No, it's not in decline. It's growing wider, and getting new audiences. On_the_Lam said: When will people stop pretending that AoT was bad? When will people stop pretending SAO was bad? MasterHavik said: yhunata said: SSY? That may ring a bell.Oh, look. It's this shit again. P.S. Mentioning great anime of 2000s with the likes of KLK, OPM, AOT and NGNL and not mentioning SSY? You just have shit taste, man. Shinsekai Yori. A dystopia that is praised by a lot of people. Personally, I dropped it around 2nd episode, as I can't handle dystopias. animezinghayden said: Elitist is such a bizzare term, it refers to being better than someone at something. How can someone be better at watching anime than someone else, it's fucking embarrassing weaboo bullshit Throw your shame away, for you have entered the world of anime. People will call you names, but their hatred is just xenophobia. Mankind has to overcome xenophobia to live on. |
| I don't even know what is the purpose of this thread. complaining ? it's pointless. "Anime is not only for you" c'mon m8. for example why they keep making highschool anime, because it's popular. just as simple as that. "but it's not popular at western anime community" japan doesn't give two fuck with western anime community. moreover, anime/manga/ln originally made in japan, so i think it's obvious for them to only care about japanese viewer. because if they care about people from outside japan's opinion, probably it would changed their own culture which they don't want to. so, i suggest people should made their own anime from their own country with their own unique talent or taste (?) (i mean not cartoon) although it would bring some big rival to japanese lol. This thread might be a proof that we are getting more elitist member here in MAL. or maybe a proof why there are some show which it's rating is declining. |
YizelTroJul 13, 2016 10:26 AM
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black1blade said: Mizunashii said: Huhuhuhu Animus from 2010 is on a decline I miss the animus from stone age where the only genre they have so far is hee huu hee huu huu huu hah hah now it's full of cancerous high school shows,isekai and ecchi shows, huhuhu if only most of the animus these days can match the quality of Gumball, Gravity Falls, cavs vs warriors game 7, NGNL ,AOT,KLK but nope they still continue producing cancerous shits like ping pong, aria, fate zero,shinsekai yori mushishi,jojo,shirobako etc. Sigh I'll just go back to watching adventure time at least its worth the time Most anime is way better than attack on titan. *facepalm* The most obvious sarcasm ever! and you didn't even notice? smh Probably saw AoT and automatically got triggered by it. |
keragamming said: *facepalm* The most obvious sarcasm ever! and you didn't even notice? smh Probably saw AoT and automatically got triggered by it. It's confusing 'cus KLK is good...maybe that's what trigger(ayy)ed me. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Holy shit....91 replies? I didn't expect this. I just got back from class...first off much love and respect for everyone processing what I'm saying and respectfully countering me....not the ones who choose to be disrespectful. Man this is a lot to get through. I can't give anyone a serious reply until tomorrow, but still I want to take this time to once again say thank you for people being chill about this. I'm not trolling. If I was trolling I wouldn't be watching Kiznavier and now Relife now. I bring up shows like Gumball and Gravity Falls because cartoon as a media has done a good job of making every show feel different. Granted a lot of cartoons fall into slice of life hell it is still a step up from high school anime comedy #535353 Anyway I need to update my list to properly reflect all the shows I have watch since I know I have seen over 100 shows at least. P.S. to the guy with the unfunny pardoy psot about just wanted to tell you a few things about me. 1. That nba finals was a joke. 2. I'm a baseball fan.(Go cubs). 3. I actually do not like Adventure Time. I know this ruins the joke you said to your 4chan pals and I'm sorry man but yeah that is me. I'll give people a serious response sometime tomorrow. I didn't expect these many replies.... Edit: I'm not an etlist...and this opinion been kept inside of me since 2010 to 2012 I just never said anything until now. Also no...I have finished way more shows than just two....I just suck at updating my anime list and I sometimes I forget have an account. Rough estimate has to be 150 to 200 anime at least. |
MasterHavikJul 13, 2016 1:27 PM
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| Well most anime are definitely shit (most of everything is garbage) and moe/ecchi/loli etc. cancer is indeed spreading. Still we got Steins Gate, Fate/Zero, Shinsekai Yori, Death Parade & a few other good one's so I don't think all hope is lost. |
| Anime has been geting worse, but who I'm gonna convince, really. Everyone believes they are right. There's nothing substantial we can do as westerners, OP. Become a nihilist, it has helped me to deal with the shit taste of the respective fraction of anime watchers, particularly those in japan, and enjoy the worthwhile shows. |
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Omni_slash95 said: yeah shows like that make me stay faithful. And pretty much whatever studio trigger does. Well most anime are definitely shit (most of everything is garbage) and moe/ecchi/loli etc. cancer is indeed spreading. Still we got Steins Gate, Fate/Zero, Shinsekai Yori, Death Parade & a few other good one's so I don't think all hope is lost. Thievery said: Well here's the thing I don't think I am right. I just got an opinion. I just feel if you say this around the time period of a REALLY REALLY good show people will tell you shut up and shove this into your face and say," Anime is fine! See?!" Anime has been geting worse, but who I'm gonna convince, really. Everyone believes they are right. There's nothing substantial we can do as westerners, OP. Become a nihilist, it has helped me to deal with the shit taste of the respective fraction of anime watchers, particularly those in japan, and enjoy the worthwhile shows. But I'm like," dude it is not a good thing to wait three months for a really good show." I found the winter season to be very boring and not interesting and filled to brim of just bad to mediocre shows. |
| I got a Masters degree. I don't have to worry bout school anymore. |
| I've enjoyed anime that's been released in the past couple of seasons and I'm looking forward to future seasons. Some seasons might be packed with better shows, but every season offers at least a few good shows. In comparison to TV shows, anime is pretty consistent in releasing quality shows, TV shows are relatively trash. The CW is probably the only network that releases decent shows. The fact that people consider Game of Thrones and Orange is the New Black to be masterpieces, just proves that the bar for standard TV isn't very high, but anime constantly releases actual masterpieces, it's just that the majority go unnoticed for a while. You're probably limiting yourself by only watching shows with high ratings, but there are also very good shows with lower ratings, for numerous reasons that a quite idiotic. The reason Hunter x Hunter is so high rated is because "there's no friendship and people die", unlike in Fairy Tail etc, that's what I think based on what I've read on MAL and other sites. |
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| If you want to know what the problem is, then you first need to answer the question of "Do you think anime is getting worse, or is there simply a trend in anime currently that you personally don't like?" Because something lacking in quality and you disliking something are two completely different things. If you don't like "high school anime with shounen elements" that doesn't make them bad, that just means they aren't to your taste. Next, ask yourself if the actual amount of anime you like is decreasing. Just as @-Stabbed- said, there are more anime coming out each season so it might look like everything is bad, but you could easily end up liking the same amount of anime. 30 could come out and you like 5; 50 could come out and you like 5. In this case, the quality isn't necessarily declining. It's just that there's a larger amount of average anime. Discounting the %, you're still enjoying the same amount though. Furthermore, are you happy with watching average anime? If you only want to watch stuf that blows you away and leave an impact, then that's you having ridiculously high standards that can't realistically be met. Average will, as the term suggests, always be the most prolific quality. Simply switching from "anime that blows me away" to "anime I thought were alright" immediately opens up a vast amount of shows that suddenly you can enjoy. If all else fails, switch to manga. Anime is naturally more restricted due to monetary concerns, but manga has far more freedom. If a particular season or year has a certain trend of premises that you don't like, start picking up new manga stories instead. The trends will be less noticeable in manga. Not to mention you'll be getting the full, unadulterated version rather than a half-baked or unfinished adaptation. |
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