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Drake1000 said: What the fuck ??? The fight just happens like this out of the blue with no close prior build-up, No Kurapika sensing that his judgment chain is no longer effective? no nothing, boom here's the fight in the middle of the Dark continent arc, the fuck? is Togashi rushing HxH like he did with Yu Yu Hakusho? Also Chrollo appears to have stolen Shalnark's ability, meaning that the latter would not be able to use his Nen ability anymore, nice thing to do to your smartest Phantom troupe member. Also what's up with the double abilities at the same time, that's bullshit. Hisoka Morou? what a shitty name Please tell me Hisoka is dreaming. >(Pokémon) Sun and Moon Hiatus confirmed That's not bullshit. Chrollo has more "some new bothersome limitations to deal with" Did you forget that kurapika has modified one of his own abilities during York New Arc. Togashi will explain it all, but later. will someone die? the result of this deadmatch it might be "HXH Shocking moment" |
cronosteso23Apr 21, 2016 10:08 AM
| Gintama: "The blade is not to cut down your enemies Nor is it to cut away your own weakness A sword isnt meant to protect your body A sword is meant for protecting your soul" |
kchorrex2012 said: English version is out :D Is this a late April Fool's joke by Togashi? Even after reading I can't help but think that this is some kind of wet dream Hisoka's having. I mean, heaven's arena is not the place I'd first think of for a battle between them. Then, when did Chrollo become a floor master? Why does he show his face like nobody's business when he faked his death? I thought he was not the type of person who likes to get attention, anyway. Is it me or Chrollo's face looks like it was drawn by another person? Despite that... I was orgasming through the whole chapter. I've been following this series since 2003 so I've been waiting for more than 10 years for this battle to finally happen. It is weird that there is no previous build up, though. The nen removal thing is not that out of the blue, though. I'm assuming that the nen exorcist from Greed Island wasn't able to remove Kurapika's nen (else there would be a grotesque creature following him around) so probably Hina erased his nen during the events of the Election arc. Remember that Hina and other chimera ants went to Meteor City after the king died. It's not so crazy to think that she met the spiders and then met with Chrollo. What left me perplexed are the new skills... So can he borrow abilities now? I don't think he'd just steal Shalnark's ability forever. Also, that sun & moon thing reminds me of that crazy alchemist that blew up everything with the seals in his hands. Oh, and those new tweaks for his ability are pretty cool. I'd been wondering how would Chrollo fight holding his book when certain abilities may be cumbersome. I wonder what new restrictions apply to keep his ability from being broken. 5/5 Please Togashi keep up the pace, can't wait to see this animated XD Togashi didn't draw Chrollo face since 2002 i bet togashi forgot Chrollo face lol |
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| Best part is that there is no chapter next week as it's the Golden Week. Have to wait even more to see wth is going on. |
 "One must die and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Boss. And the one who inherits the title of Boss will face an existence of endless battle." |
| I'm on the fence with this chapter. On one hand I'm glad we didn't get the ridiculous amount of unnecessary dialogue we got last chapter, but on the otherhand, this shit came out of nowhere no build up whatsoever. Still hype for this battle nonetheless. This is also the first I'm seeing Hisoka in manga form, he looks like a shitty JOJo character, absolutely disgusting! Also neither Hisoka nor chrollo will die in this battle, not because it's a battle to the death means it's going to actually happen, the battle will be interrupted or something. If Togashi really kill off any of these two characters in this petty fight, then it simple means I overestimated him as a writer. This would be straight up bad writing if that's the case. 3.5/5 |
Donze said: kchorrex2012 said: What left me perplexed are the new skills... So can he borrow abilities now? I don't think he'd just steal Shalnark's ability forever. Also, that sun & moon thing reminds me of that crazy alchemist that blew up everything with the seals in his hands. He always borrowed abilities, that's the original purpose of the book, even when he used it against the zoldyicks Leol/Hagya borrowed abilities. Chrollo always stole abilities, he didn't borrow them only when he needed to use them with his book, he kept them forever (until his victim dies). The only way in that "borrowing" is somewhat accurate is that the victims need to stay alive in order to use the abilities. |
kchorrex2012Apr 21, 2016 11:40 AM
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| That came out of nowhere, interesting if their battle will be relevant to this arc. Appreciate this chapter not being 5 pages novel =/ |
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Dangerr said: Whayle said: I actually thought Hisoka was dreaming. wtf was the buildup? so Hisoka found a nen-exorcist for Kuroro and then they agreed to fight each-other at the Heavens Arena The buildup has been brewing in the background throughout the last few arcs; we all knew Hisoka was getting close to Chrollo. This was meant to be a surprise reveal, and I think it was more effective because of it. I personally never figured Hisoka would actually get to this point with Chrollo, but I welcome it with open arms. Well there is evidence to support you claim but I sure hope you're wrong and this is all Hisoka's wet dreams. Chrollo finally broke the judgment chain and all we get from Kurapika is "oh he's in a bad mood" gtfo.  cronosteso23 said: That's not bullshit. Chrollo has more "some new bothersome limitations to deal with" Did you forget that kurapika has modified one of his own abilities during York New Arc. Togashi will explain it all, but later. will someone die? the result of this deadmatch it might be "HXH Shocking moment" Then why didn't he use the bookmark against the Zoldycks? was he underestimating 2 of the strongest opponents? has he just now figured out that he can use a bookmark to have his hands free? |
| damn son hisoka vs chrolo atleast the manga would end . |
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keragamming said: I'm on the fence with this chapter. On one hand I'm glad we didn't get the ridiculous amount of unnecessary dialogue we got last chapter, but on the otherhand, this shit came out of nowhere no build up whatsoever. Still hype for this battle nonetheless. This is also the first I'm seeing Hisoka in manga form, he looks like a shitty JOJo character, absolutely disgusting! Also neither Hisoka nor chrollo will die in this battle, not because it's a battle to the death means it's going to actually happen, the battle will be interrupted or something. If Togashi really kill off any of these two characters in this petty fight, then it simple means I overestimated him as a writer. This would be straight up bad writing if that's the case. 3.5/5 I fail to see how any of last chapter's dialogue was unnecessary, unless you're referring to some of the character bits earlier in the chapter. All of that expository info seemed more or less necessary to the plot going forward, so I don't think conciseness was an issue. As for this chapter, while this fight might be petty to most, it's pretty much Hisoka's raison d'etre, which certainly doesn't make it petty for the purposes of the plot. I can understand people being jarred by the abruptness, but I have faith in Togashi's decision in deciding to kill off either of these fan favorites. Christ, I'm starting to feel like a proper fanboy. Drake1000 said: Then why didn't he use the bookmark against the Zoldycks? was he underestimating 2 of the strongest opponents? has he just now figured out that he can use a bookmark to have his hands free? He may have developed it since that fight. I feel like we'll learn more as this fight progresses; we might not learn when he created that ability, but we're certain to learn what further limitations he has to deal with in using it, as it's sure to be key for Hisoka finding his opening. |
DangerrApr 21, 2016 10:39 AM
Drake1000 said: Dangerr said: The buildup has been brewing in the background throughout the last few arcs; we all knew Hisoka was getting close to Chrollo. This was meant to be a surprise reveal, and I think it was more effective because of it. I personally never figured Hisoka would actually get to this point with Chrollo, but I welcome it with open arms. Well there is evidence to support you claim but I sure hope you're wrong and this is all Hisoka's wet dreams. Chrollo finally broke the judgment chain and all we get from Kurapika is "oh he's in a bad mood" gtfo. cronosteso23 said: That's not bullshit. Chrollo has more "some new bothersome limitations to deal with" Did you forget that kurapika has modified one of his own abilities during York New Arc. Togashi will explain it all, but later. will someone die? the result of this deadmatch it might be "HXH Shocking moment" Then why didn't he use the bookmark against the Zoldycks? was he underestimating 2 of the strongest opponents? has he just now figured out that he can use a bookmark to have his hands free? The bookmark is a new rule. |
Dangerr said: keragamming said: I'm on the fence with this chapter. On one hand I'm glad we didn't get the ridiculous amount of unnecessary dialogue we got last chapter, but on the otherhand, this shit came out of nowhere no build up whatsoever. Still hype for this battle nonetheless. This is also the first I'm seeing Hisoka in manga form, he looks like a shitty JOJo character, absolutely disgusting! Also neither Hisoka nor chrollo will die in this battle, not because it's a battle to the death means it's going to actually happen, the battle will be interrupted or something. If Togashi really kill off any of these two characters in this petty fight, then it simple means I overestimated him as a writer. This would be straight up bad writing if that's the case. 3.5/5 I fail to see how any of last chapter's dialogue was unnecessary, unless you're referring to some of the character bits earlier in the chapter. All of that expository info seemed more or less necessary to the plot going forward, so I don't think conciseness was an issue. As for this chapter, while this fight might be petty to most, it's pretty much Hisoka's raison d'etre, which certainly doesn't make it petty for the purposes of the plot. I can understand people being jarred by the abruptness, but I have faith in Togashi's decision in deciding to kill off either of these fan favorites. Christ, I'm starting to feel like a proper fanboy. Majority of Killua inner monologue was really unnecessary, and that took up more than half the chapter. Really this is one of the main problem I had with hxh 2011 anime. Specifically in the chimera ant arc, where the narrator was there to explain every tiny details to the audience, it's very annoying, I would rather he show than tell, this is a visual medium for christ sake! That shit is only necessary in novels. Like seriously the audience is not dumb. I'm 100% sure he will not kill either in this fight, at least I hope, I think this is more of, hey guys here's the fight you've been looking forward to, also both of these characters story line hasn't even been touch on much from my memories. This would be a waste imo. |
keragammingApr 21, 2016 11:12 AM
| Everyone talking about stuff like "Oh no build-up, oh we want this, oh man this sucks, but I'm hyped for the fight." Come on guys, Have some faith in Togashi-sensei. He may take lots of hiatuses and may or may not be lazy AF when it comes to his work aka manga aka HxH but has he ever disappointed with his story? I mean come on. Wtf?! Have some faith in Togashi guys. Kite dying by Neferpitou's hands was also like this with very little build-up, but this shit sucks? Why? Seriously... ;-; Anyway, the chapter was fantastic, I personally prefer it the way Togashi did it. If he explains it after a few chapters or if he ever does, kewl. If he doesn't, we've had enough hints already so I'm not really complaining about Chrollo coming back. But a small 2-3 chapters of flashback of how it all happened would be much appreciated, it's still cool though. If it was any other Manga, the name Death Battle wouldn't scare me.... But Togashi and HxH.... My kokoro is not ready ;-; but let's hope for the best! To Togashi - Pwease no hiatuses till 2019? 'kay? Thanks :D some here and there are fine. |
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| Didn't expect a Chrollo and Hisoka fight. It's awesome !! :D |
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| When I saw that page of Hisoka and Chrollo standing there, I screamed. I did not think I would have that kind of reaction. Love both these character, so really looking forward to how this fight will go. |
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| Someone please interfere and not let them kill each other this soon :'( What the hell happened the noses?! It looks godawful :(  We Pokemon now XD  |
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| Wow I definitely wasn't expecting this battle. I remember wondering to myself when Chrollo would ever show up again, and then bam he shows up. It looks like he's become a lot more powerful and Hisoka seems to have his hands full with this match. I hope neither of them die though. Looking forward to seeing the rest of their match. |
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The first image is literally his first appearance in the manga. Togashi almost never completely adheres to his introductory designs in terms of character appearance. I mean, look at Hisoka and some of the other Ryodan's introductions - they look really goofy. keragamming said: Majority of Killua inner monologue was really unnecessary, and that took up more than half the chapter. Do you mean Kurapika? keragamming said: Really this is one of the main problem I had with hxh 2011 anime. Specifically in the chimera ant arc, where the narrator was there to explain every tiny details to the audience, it's very annoying, I would rather he show than tell, this is a visual medium for christ sake! That shit is only necessary in novels. Like seriously the audience is not dumb. Except everything expository in nature last chapter was being spoken either through Kurapika or Oito. I don't necessarily disagree that the narration was overbearing last arc, but that was pretty different than what we got last chapter. I also don't think text-heavy chapters detracts from the visual nature of manga; there isn't some perfect ratio of image to text that manga should aspire to - at least in my opinion. I mostly come to HxH for the writing, and personally find the text-heavy stuff to be very gratifying. I would totally read a Togashi-written novel. |
| Bad idea of me reading this chapter during class. Amazing chapter despite the lack of any sort of buildup. I can't wait to see how this fight concludes itself. |
@Drake1000 Chrollo did not want to killl Zodiacs. @keragamming what Killua's monologue? we are at Manga forum talking about 351 chapter and Dark continent arc. is this a waste? XD. ¡Thanks God! Chrollo and hisoka have their own things to do. not the typical shit: "I must defeat the Main character just because" |
| Gintama: "The blade is not to cut down your enemies Nor is it to cut away your own weakness A sword isnt meant to protect your body A sword is meant for protecting your soul" |
| FUCK YES! Holy shit, where did this come from?! XD Ah, its nice to see Hisoka and Lucilfer again. Wasn't really impressed by the fight though, but hey, fan service won me over. :P 3.2/5 |
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| @Dangerr my bad I meant Kurapika. Well, no point in arguing, it comes down to preference I guess? |
| I was expecting Gon or Killua when I read that this was at Heaven's Arena, Hisoka even crossed my mind. But I certainly wasn't expecting Chrollo to be his opponent. God damn. Surprising? Yeah. Not sure that this is a bad thing. I don't really care much for judging before seeing the big picture. But, in the moment? "What? Whoa...Huh? Holy shit!" Was my reaction. Let's see where it goes from here. I have my doubts that Togashi would kill off two characters that seem to have a role to play. I'm not completely disregarding the possibility, I just think the fight won't reach a conclusion. I'd probably prefer seeing it end at the DC anyway. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
H-X-H said: stickermans50 said: Everyone talking about stuff like "Oh no build-up, oh we want this, oh man this sucks, but I'm hyped for the fight." Come on guys, Have some faith in Togashi-sensei. He may take lots of hiatuses and may or may not be lazy AF when it comes to his work aka manga aka HxH but has he ever disappointed with his story? I mean come on. Wtf?! Have some faith in Togashi guys. Kite dying by Neferpitou's hands was also like this with very little build-up, but this shit sucks? Why? Seriously... ;-; Anyway, the chapter was fantastic, I personally prefer it the way Togashi did it. If he explains it after a few chapters or if he ever does, kewl. If he doesn't, we've had enough hints already so I'm not really complaining about Chrollo coming back. But a small 2-3 chapters of flashback of how it all happened would be much appreciated, it's still cool though. If it was any other Manga, the name Death Battle wouldn't scare me.... But Togashi and HxH.... My kokoro is not ready ;-; but let's hope for the best! To Togashi - Pwease no hiatuses till 2019? 'kay? Thanks :D some here and there are fine. Listen to this man he`s telling the truth Lol thanks bro, I've learned to trust Togashi when it comes to writting. He's a boss, did Ging suck? Nope. He lived up to hype, just give him some time. |
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| Decent chapter; I'll be fine if either of them die. It would've been better if there was some actual build up instead of coming from no where. 3/5 |
| Well that's really dumb. I dunno what future events could possibly make this less terrible than it is now. Like someone said this is just favservice. No build, randomly inserted in a new arc, Chrollo's Nen confirmation entirely skipped, no reaction from Kurapika, and their long awaited fight is held in Heavnes Arena? really? an underwhelming stage to say the least. I would be all for this if the new arc was about the phantom troupe vs Kurapika exclusively (which is the only thing I care about regarding this series), but it's not. 2/5 |
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| Knowing Togashi, this fight with no build up whatsoever will be explained. Let's look at the facts we know that Chrollo reocvered his nen already, based on this chapter. He acquired a new skill showed on this chapter, meaning there was a timeskip. Knowing the format how Togashi writes his stories, it will be explained how Chrollo got Shalnark skill and how he acquired that new skill in the hands. (so in the end we will have all the answers, so there's no need to worry). When Chrollo was revealing his new acquired sill, i immediately thought about the one sided fight between Hisoka and Gotoh, yes i think Hisoka is in trouble this time (i mean serious trouble like death). But he is a genius fighter so idk he will probably figure it out somehow and ended up winning who knows in a battle of nen we never know the upcoming. Oh and btw i read somewhere that next week is the golden week, so no chapters from shonen jump next week i guess?! |
BenXBlack93Apr 21, 2016 2:10 PM
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| Finally the battle, never expected that would happened. Maybe now long the Anime will be more epic battles. |
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| I cant imagine the show with either of them being dead... But I'm having the feeling that Chrollo might die off |
tsudecimo said: Well that's really dumb. I dunno what future events could possibly make this less terrible than it is now. Like someone said this is just favservice. No build, randomly inserted in a new arc, Chrollo's Nen confirmation entirely skipped, no reaction from Kurapika, and their long awaited fight is held in Heavnes Arena? really? an underwhelming stage to say the least. I would be all for this if the new arc was about the phantom troupe vs Kurapika exclusively (which is the only thing I care about regarding this series), but it's not. 2/5 How is this "just" fanservice? This was a long time coming, and ever since Greed Island, Hisoka has been getting closer to his confrontation with Chrollo. The buildup here wasn't short-term, but more long and in the background. The fact that there wasn't immediate prior buildup was obviously to up the surprise-factor, which certainly worked for me. Forgetting all of that though, the judgement chain around Chrollo's heart was probably removed sometime during the CA arc, so Kurapika probably already knows that Chrollo is free. I think Togashi hasn't addressed it yet to make this moment more surprising. Part of what makes Heaven's Arena work is that the outcome is going to be very public - whoever wins, there's sure to be a frenzied reaction from a lot of different characters. Looking at this through the lens of Kurapika, I honestly think Chrollo's direct connection to him in this story is over. A major theme of the Yorknew arc was Kurapika learning that desolation lies at the end of vengeance; he certainly hasn't forgiven the troupe, but I don't believe he's actively hunting them any longer - his primary priority is now simple retrieval of his people's eyes. Of course, if the troupe were to get in the way of that, I believe he would gladly kill them. Killing off Chrollo here is probably a convenient way of letting Kurapika move on from this particular conflict; I see him protecting Oito and Woble as a fantastic opportunity for developing his character, and giving him a higher purpose than living in the past through vengeance and mourning. Of course, I could be completely wrong if Chrollo actually ends up winning against Hisoka, but I feel like there's a lot more to be done with Hisoka in contrast to Chrollo in the story ahead. |
| For those that may think this fight came out of nowhere http://imgur.com/ItcwAtH 5/5 |
FIFAbreeZe said: Mhm ... about 2 FUCKING years ago, i do understand he wants to wrap up the loose ends and start with the new arc, but still this came out of the blue and he has made chrollo kind of OP atm, further explanation and weaknesses HAVE to be introduced because it wouldn't be the same pacing Togashi has had previously. In-universe, probably less than two years. Real-time? Over ten, to be sure. Thing is though, if we're to treat manga as continuous pieces of art that is meant to be consumed at any point in time, then we can't hold it against the manga for relying on its readers to clearly recall certain events. It's a similar situation to Berserk, and how people are constantly complaining about its pacing; in actuality, it's not much different than its ever been, though the wait in between releases creates this false perception otherwise. |
| Chrollo got back his Nen pretty early in the Chimera ant arc and Hina had nothing to do with it because she was on the road to Meteor City at the very end of the Chimera ant arc. Cover page from chapter 201 is titled REUNITED http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/hunterxhunter/images/6/6d/Reunion.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130606041038 |
KingRequiem said: I became the bone of my sword, actually read the chapter twice to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Anyway, Chrollo looks pretty fucking OP now with his new abilities. If one of them actually does die in Hype Arena my bet is on Hisoka. I don't think Togashi would've revealed his full name otherwise, it would also be quite anticlimatic if Kurapika's main antagonist died like that. I still don't see either of them dying though, wouldn't surprise me if an outside factor interrupted the fight. HxH is back in full force that's for sure. He looks OP, and if he can manage the shortcomings it brings, it's certainly one of the strongest hatsus. Thing is, it seems the bookmark is a new technique he's developed, and I don't think he's quite mastered its use yet. I feel confident that Hisoka's utter mastery of his own nen compared to the extreme variation that Chrollo is able to call upon will end up being his weakness; Hisoka will probably end up exploiting one of the new restrictions Chrollo must manage in combat, and use that to strike. |
| This was undeniably out of the blue given the rest of the arc but at least it's a welcome development. We've known Chrollo has had his Nen back since Chimera Ant so this was bound to happen eventually. I'm a tiny bit upset Togashi gave out Hisoka's last name since his mysterious background is oddly one of the main appeals of the character. Like WSJ's equivalent to the Joker Agafin said: On a side note, Chrollo's nose was really poorly drawn in this chapter. Mmm hmm. I miss when Chrollo was one of the few realistically drawn characters in the manga, made him come off way more creepy and intimidating. Now he just looks..."off-model" Dangerr said: I honestly think Chrollo's direct connection to him in this story is over. A major theme of the Yorknew arc was Kurapika learning that desolation lies at the end of vengeance I expect some kind of confrontation between Kurapika and Nobunaga since iirc he hasn't gotten past Uvo's death and we haven't seen his Nen ability yet. Other than that Kurapika is definitely done with the Troupe, especially since at this point killing all of them would include Killua's little brother |
Kaimon said: I expect some kind of confrontation between Kurapika and Nobunaga since iirc he hasn't gotten past Uvo's death and we haven't seen his Nen ability yet. Other than that Kurapika is definitely done with the Troupe, especially since at this point killing all of them would include Killua's little brother Agreed - I don't necessarily think he's done with the troupe per se, but I do think his interactions with Chrollo are over. |
| Well, that was a really sudden change. Chrollo vs Hisoka out of nowhere. Chrollo face looks really ugly, Togashi probably has forgotten how to draw him. |
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