| Someone please tell me the difference between fapping to a loli and fapping to an actual child. I'm dying to know. |
| this again? I ask the same questions every goddamn loli thread: I like Futanari, does that mean I like Real Girls with Real Dicks? I like Tentacle H, does that mean I like a real girl to be rapes by an octopus? I like watching Rape in Porn, does that mean that I like Rape in real life? |
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AltoRoark99 said: Someone please tell me the difference between fapping to a loli and fapping to an actual child. I'm dying to know. A loli (in the sense of an anime character) doesn't exist. |
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yhunata said: To the people that ask these questions, I ask you this in return: Consider you're playing GTA or Saints Row or something like that. You're now going on a murder spree simply because you can. Does this make you a murdering psychopath that will kill anyone you see just because you can? My answer is simple; no, it does not. Why not? Because it's fiction and you people need to stop making it seem as if fiction is the same as reality. I love murdering that random ass civilian on GTA, but that does not mean I want to kill someone in reality. Same way, just because I stroked my dick to a bunch of lines shaped like (supposedly) a child, that does not make me want to stroke my dick to an actual child. Don't worry. They will make up some BS on the spot like "people are naturally violent creatures" and that somehow means that games don't make you into murderers, while that excuse somehow doesn't work for lolis because that "natural dispotion" doesn't exist in this case. And somehow this is perfect proof that watching loli hentai makes you a pedo. AltoRoark99 said: Someone please tell me the difference between fapping to a loli and fapping to an actual child. I'm dying to know. The same difference between killing someone in a video game and killing someone in reality. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
shawnofthedeadzDec 20, 2015 11:51 AM
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AltoRoark99 said: Someone please tell me the difference between fapping to a loli and fapping to an actual child. I'm dying to know. Not sure if trolling, or genuinely can't tell the difference between reality and fiction. But for all the people who claim everyone's a paedophile, I've a hypothetical question - what would your reply be to someone who found lolis attractive, but NOT real life kids attractive? Just wondering. |
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mysubjectivelist said: Yes, it's a special case because you said so. Great.AzureDaora said: you answers that yourself, but even if you do, its perfectly fine.this again?<br /> <br /> I ask the same questions every goddamn loli thread:<br /> <br /> I like Futanari, does that mean I like Real Girls with Real Dicks?<br /> I like Tentacle H, does that mean I like a real girl to be rapes by an octopus?<br /> I like watching Rape in Porn, does that mean that I like Rape in real life? Lolicon and pedophile is always a special case because its world known a mental disorder, even if its a fiction or not, the one that get aroused is your real life self and its perfectly normal to do so because its a fiction! Doesn't explain the correlation between the two subjects, nor how does liking lolis causates to becoming a pedophile whilst the other similar scenarios are simply thrown away, with the pathetic answer of "Answer that yourself" and "it's a special case", which are simply lmao answers Like, lmao |
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yhunata said: A loli (in the sense of an anime character) doesn't exist. The only difference that makes is whether or not a child is being harmed. But it's still pedophilia in both cases. Grey-Zone said: The same difference between killing someone in a video game and killing someone in reality. Those aren't even remotely related. |
AltoRoark99 said: yhunata said: A loli (in the sense of an anime character) doesn't exist. The only difference that makes is whether or not a child is being harmed. But it's still pedophilia in both cases. No, it's not. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction towards children. Drawings, literally, cannot be children. AltoRoark99 said: Grey-Zone said: The same difference between killing someone in a video game and killing someone in reality. Those aren't even remotely related. How is it not? |
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AltoRoark99 said: Sry, but the Burden of Proof is on you.yhunata said: A loli (in the sense of an anime character) doesn't exist. The only difference that makes is whether or not a child is being harmed. But it's still pedophilia in both cases. Grey-Zone said: The same difference between killing someone in a video game and killing someone in reality. Those aren't even remotely related. How is pedophilia and lolis related, specifically, how does liking lolis make you a pedophile ala Package Deal Fallacy? Because, again: AzureDaora said: this again? I ask the same questions every goddamn loli thread: I like Futanari, does that mean I like Real Girls with Real Dicks? I like Tentacle H, does that mean I like a real girl to be rapes by an octopus? I like watching Rape in Porn, does that mean that I like Rape in real life? |
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yhunata said: AltoRoark99 said: The only difference that makes is whether or not a child is being harmed. But it's still pedophilia in both cases. No, it's not. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction towards children. Drawings, literally, cannot be children. It's DRAWN as a child, so no difference whatsoever. yhunata said: AltoRoark99 said: Those aren't even remotely related. How is it not? We're talking about sexual attraction, not what we find fun in video games. AzureDaora said: this again? I ask the same questions every goddamn loli thread: I like Futanari, does that mean I like Real Girls with Real Dicks? I like Tentacle H, does that mean I like a real girl to be rapes by an octopus? I like watching Rape in Porn, does that mean that I like Rape in real life? Yes, yes, and yes. |
AltoRoark99 said: We're talking about sexual attraction, not what we find fun in video games. Sexual attraction to anime lolis =/= sexual attraction to real life children. |
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AltoRoark99 said: yhunata said: No, it's not. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction towards children. Drawings, literally, cannot be children. It's DRAWN as a child, so no difference whatsoever. Just like you are killing DRAWN people, so no difference whatsoever to killing real people |
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AltoRoark99 said: Top fucking kek m8AzureDaora said: this again? I ask the same questions every goddamn loli thread: I like Futanari, does that mean I like Real Girls with Real Dicks? I like Tentacle H, does that mean I like a real girl to be rapes by an octopus? I like watching Rape in Porn, does that mean that I like Rape in real life? Yes, yes, and yes. I'm sorry, but no. That's not how it works. People can differentiate fiction from reality. I personally like Futa but jesus christ if I see a girl with a dick in real life, I don't want that. Fuck that. You literally have nothing other than arguments from belief, that both equate to each other. |
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mysubjectivelist said: lol pedophile is a special case because i said so? Lol, its world known disorder related to fetish which is a little girl fetish. If you want to do a tentacle rape then do it, no one stop you because the world didnt yet to deem it as a mental disorder unlike pedophile which is a legit mental disorder approved by world. It is not raping little children or liking it thats make you pedophile, its sexually arouses to it thats make you pedophile. If you enjoy killing people in a game, actually doing it in the real world is whats make it a crime, but pedophile is a mental disorder, you dont need to actually rape one to be classified as one, just being sexually attracted to it makes you a pedophile and if you do rape one, its become a crime not because you are a pedophile but because you do rape someone. Pedophile is not about what you do but its about what you feel. In that case video games wouldn't make you a "killer", indeed. However it would still make you a sociopath. So is every player a sociopath? |
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| People in FPS games are nothing more than shooting targets. It really isn't anything like killing actual people. So you guys are right about that, but it's nothing related to sexual attraction to lolis. But on the other hand, let's talk about the game "Hatred". I've never played the game. But from what I've seen of it, it contains people shrieking in agony and begging for mercy right before you kill them. If that's something you enjoy, then yeah, you're pretty much a legit psychopath. |
mysubjectivelist said: lol pedophile is a special case because i said so? Lol, its world known disorder related to fetish which is a little girl fetish. If you want to do a tentacle rape then do it, no one stop you because the world didnt yet to deem it as a mental disorder unlike pedophile which is a legit mental disorder approved by world. It is not raping little children or liking it thats make you pedophile, its sexually arouses to it thats make you pedophile. If you enjoy killing people in a game, actually doing it in the real world is whats make it a crime, but pedophile is a mental disorder, you dont need to actually rape one to be classified as one, just being sexually attracted to it makes you a pedophile and if you do rape one, its become a crime not because you are a pedophile but because you do rape someone. Pedophile is not about what you do but its about what you feel. What if the lolicon makes the distinction between fiction and reality; what if they are only attracted to anime lolis but they aren't attracted to real kids? Would you still consider them a paedohpile? |
MazDec 20, 2015 8:11 AM
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mysubjectivelist said: And how is it being a "special case" somehow equate it to becoming a pedophile? You don't get it.AzureDaora said: lol pedophile is a special case because i said so? Lol, its world known disorder related to fetish which is a little girl fetish.Yes, it's a special case because you said so. Great.<br /> Doesn't explain the correlation between the two subjects, nor how does liking lolis causates to becoming a pedophile whilst the other similar scenarios are simply thrown away, with the pathetic answer of "Answer that yourself" and "it's a special case", which are simply lmao answers<br /> Like, lmao If you want to do a tentacle rape then do it, no one stop you because the world didnt yet to deem it as a mental disorder unlike pedophile which is a legit mental disorder approved by world. It is not raping little children or liking it thats make you pedophile, its sexually arouses to it thats make you pedophile. If you enjoy killing people in a game, actually doing it in the real world is whats make it a crime, but pedophile is a mental disorder, you dont need to actually rape one to be classified as one, just being sexually attracted to it makes you a pedophile and if you do rape one, its become a crime not because you are a pedophile but because you do rape someone. Pedophile is not about what you do but its about what you feel. I like futa, but I don't like real girls with real dicks. It's simply a question of relation, and there is simply no questioning that I don't like real girls with such things, nor do I like the concept of an octopus fucking a girl. Both would be simply fucking disgusting. And it's the same with lolis. If both former fetishes don't relate to their counterparts, then why do you suggest that the latter does? Simple, because you believe it and nothing else. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation Learn it. |
AzureDaoraDec 20, 2015 8:21 AM
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| the thing about these arguments is that he who is of the impression that they're morally in the right will never change their opinion - and im not sure if it would be wiser to wait for them to all die out, or continue the argument it depends on how fast these harmful ideals spread i guess, and by harmful ideals a quick example would be a man being caught with lolicon hentai, sent to jail - his life is ruined, branded a pedophile, family put to shame, years of his life wasted, all for a fetish he didn't choose to have, but no, the real victims are cartoon little kids, but i digress you find the root cause of these malfunctions - and somehow get rid of them not easy though cuz sjwism is looking stronger and more appealing to youth than most religions these days, and for good reason, it's powerful as shit |
AltoRoark99 said: yhunata said: No, it's not. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction towards children. Drawings, literally, cannot be children. It's DRAWN as a child, so no difference whatsoever. Still not a child. AltoRoark99 said: yhunata said: How is it not? We're talking about sexual attraction, not what we find fun in video games. So, selective ignorance, then? |
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| That again... example of OPp's reasoning in a nutshell : "If you like anime then you must like classical western literature as well, because they're both stories" " if you like thrillers then you must be a psychopath since you like murder" "if you like playing assassin creed or hitman then you're also a potential murderer" "if you like playing counterstrike then maybe you're a terrorist and should be watched by the police just to be sure" "If you like the colour blue then you probably also like the colour yellow, because that's also a colour" "if you like the purple colour then you're a sickos. Because that's the colour of a dead body. How about proving me that you're aren't into necrophilia if that's not the case?" It's actually difficult to find sentences as dumb as OP's idea, I had to think for a while, heww. |
ZefyrisDec 20, 2015 8:31 AM
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AltoRoark99 said: yhunata said: How is it not? We're talking about sexual attraction, not what we find fun in video games.. Somehow they draw an imaginary line between sexual and non-sexual 'fun'. Humans can do whatever they want in fiction because they can separate reality and fiction, but when it comes to sexuality everything you do immediately becomes an inherent part of your personality that is vital to judging and labeling you as a human being. Everything you fap to becomes part of your identity apparently. I'd love for people to try and find an appropriate label that combines all the fetishes I fap to into a handy term for my 'sexual attraction' based on that, but usually people don't care enough and will only default to labeling people with the term that has the most negative connotations - pedophile, not even giving a shit what other stuff you fap to or how much you actually fap to lolis. Basically with their logic if you fap to lolis once you're in irredeemable pedophile that poses a danger to society. That's literally what people are implying all the time in threads like this. It's so easy to not THINK and just unreflectedly label people based on dubious information to get some online high 5's from people who are suffering from similar mental deficits. That's basically all these threads in a nutshell. Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
shawnofthedeadzDec 20, 2015 3:38 PM
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| aaaah I see. So OP is both into pedophilia and anime loli so you think that anyone who like anime loli should also be a pedophile. Geeez talk about a dumb reasoning. "I like both anime and to read novels, and they're both story. So anyone who like watching anime should like reading novels too". "I like apples and orange, so anyone who like apple is also liking orange, because they're both fruits and I'm also like that". No? No. Your reasoning is completely and utterly flawed. There is no implication from A to B and just because in your case you're both A and B doesn't mean that other peoples who like A also have to like B. Even in case of similar taste for something, you can have completely opposite taste on close things. For example, one of the LN readers who has the closest taste to me on MAL is Alencia. We really enjoy most of the same type of novels. But. He likes Mizuki Nomura's books and that author seem to be among his favourite. I completely dislike that author's writing and never want to read one of her book again. Even when someone has close taste on something, there is no implication that something else is liked by both too, even if those two things are related in any way, strong link or weak link just the same. If you're attracted sexually by real children, you should seek help from a doctor. Don't try to comfort yourself by trying top prove that "everyone is the same as you" , because that's not the case. |
ZefyrisDec 20, 2015 8:34 AM
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| Until I see proof of causation I'm going to have to say that nah. But do I think that fappng to it is fucking disgusting? sure. But I don't call everyone out on it. Let them have their own sick fetishes while I have mine. |
| Guy is into 2D women of sufficient age and/or acceptable body type: "That sad soul is obsessed with 2D and has given up on real women." Guy is into lolis: "OMG hide your kids da pedos R coming!!!!" No inconsistent double standards here, not at all. But let's try a different tack. IRL pedophilia = an exclusive or primary attraction to prepubescent children, often regardless of gender. Otoh, the lolicon phenomenon seems to consist of heterosexual males including lolis (i.e. representatives of the gender they're attracted to) in their media consumption mix, alongside non-loli content. So in other words, not an exclusive/primary attraction to prepubescent children regardless of gender. Shock_Bait said: Which really shows how ridiculous these "people" are, considering that the show contains zero actual children, sexualized or otherwise. Accusing them of equiphilia and sending out the alarm to lock the stable doors might be more logical, if not any more realistic.Well the thing is that people have actually accused bronies of being pedophiles. |
yhunata said: AltoRoark99 said: It's DRAWN as a child, so no difference whatsoever. Still not a child. Petite body, no tits, no ass, how can you fap to that and not be labeled as a pedophile? yhunata said: AltoRoark99 said: We're talking about sexual attraction, not what we find fun in video games. So, selective ignorance, then? But I honestly don't see how sexual attraction and liking to kill are related. Plus, I've already written my response to this kind of argument: AltoRoark99 said: People in FPS games are nothing more than shooting targets. It really isn't anything like killing actual people. So you guys are right about that, but it's nothing related to sexual attraction to lolis. But on the other hand, let's talk about the game "Hatred". I've never played the game. But from what I've seen of it, it contains people shrieking in agony and begging for mercy right before you kill them. If that's something you enjoy, then yeah, you're pretty much a legit psychopath. Pullman said: AltoRoark99 said: We're talking about sexual attraction, not what we find fun in video games.. Somehow they draw an imaginary line between sexual and non-sexual 'fun'. Humans can do whatever they want in fiction because they can separate reality and fiction, but when it comes to sexuality everything you do immediately becomes an inherent part of your personality that is vital to judging and labeling you as a human being. Everything you fap to becomes part of your identity apparently. I'd love for people to try and find an appropriate label that combines all the fetishes I fap to into a handy term for my 'sexual attraction' based on that, but usually people don't care enough and will only default to labeling people with the term that has the most negative connotations - pedophile, not even giving a shit what other stuff you fap to or how much you actually fap to lolis. Basically with their logic if you fap to lolis once you're in irredeemable pedophile that poses a danger to society. That's literally what people are implying all the time in threads like this. It's so easy to not THINK and just unreflectedly label people based on dubious information to get some online high 5's from people who are suffering from similar mental deficits. That's basically all these threads in a nutshell. Being a pedophile doesn't necessarily imply you're a child rapist and a threat to society. It just means you're sexually attracted to prepubescent girls/boys. That's all. Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
shawnofthedeadzDec 20, 2015 3:38 PM
AltoRoark99 said: yhunata said: Still not a child. Petite body, no tits, no ass, how can you fap to that and not be labeled as a pedophile? Except pedophilia has absolutely nothing to do with body type. It merely refers to age. Loli, on the other hand, is used to define a specific body type. AltoRoark99 said: yhunata said: So, selective ignorance, then? But I honestly don't see how sexual attraction and liking to kill are related. Plus, I've already written my response to this kind of argument: AltoRoark99 said: People in FPS games are nothing more than shooting targets. It really isn't anything like killing actual people. So you guys are right about that, but it's nothing related to sexual attraction to lolis. But on the other hand, let's talk about the game "Hatred". I've never played the game. But from what I've seen of it, it contains people shrieking in agony and begging for mercy right before you kill them. If that's something you enjoy, then yeah, you're pretty much a legit psychopath. Which is why I said you're selectively ignoring the things that would put you in a bad light. Here's the thing, we're talking about fiction and reality, which is exactly why "murdering in a video game doesn't make you a psychopath in reality" argument is a perfectly usable analogy here. And no, enjoying stuff like Hatred doesn't make you a psychopath. |
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yhunata said: AltoRoark99 said: Petite body, no tits, no ass, how can you fap to that and not be labeled as a pedophile? Except pedophilia has absolutely nothing to do with body type. It merely refers to age. Loli, on the other hand, is used to define a specific body type. I'm pretty sure pedophiles fap to the body, not to the age. yhunata said: And no, enjoying stuff like Hatred doesn't make you a psychopath. Why not? |
mysubjectivelist said: lolicon is pedophile Prove it. |
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AzureDaora said: this again? I ask the same questions every goddamn loli thread: I like Futanari, does that mean I like Real Girls with Real Dicks? I like Tentacle H, does that mean I like a real girl to be rapes by an octopus? I like watching Rape in Porn, does that mean that I like Rape in real life? Yes, yes and yes. You disgust me :> |
AzureDaora said: I like Futanari, does that mean I like Real Girls with Real Dicks? 1. It means you're bisexual most likely. |
| ^The above-ground Student Council President has sealed it . |
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| lolis are wrong. But men raping men in yaoi and women getting raped in hentai are ok? hypocrisy. |
PoeticJustice said: lolis are wrong. Nobody said it was wrong. Being a pedophile doesn't necessarily imply you're a child rapist and a threat to society. It just means you're sexually attracted to prepubescent girls/boys. That's all. Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
ShockedJan 3, 2016 12:52 AM
| Thank you to AltoRoark99 for being the only person with sense in this thread. |
PoeticJustice said: lolis are wrong. But men raping men in yaoi and women getting raped in hentai are ok? hypocrisy. Silly person....Don't you know men can't get raped? |
AltoRoark99 said: PoeticJustice said: lolis are wrong. Nobody said it was wrong. Being a pedophile doesn't necessarily imply you're a child rapist and a threat to society. It just means you're sexually attracted to prepubescent girls/boys. That's all. I keep getting confused with people thinking that the existence of lolis are bad. There are flat chest women who are short out there. Idk, i guess if the character acts like a kid you could have some issues but body type is a no. Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
ShockedJan 3, 2016 12:52 AM
| I think lolis are more cute than sexy tbh. Also I wouldn't bang one so I can't say this thread applies to me. |
FunkyNano said: OP never implied you have to be into real children if you're into fictional children, he's just asking where do you draw the line on whether or not it's classed as paedophilia. The obvious answer is there is no line, just varying degrees of paedophilia, whether or not the child you are masturbating to is real or fictional, you are a paedophile. That's not to say if you're into lolis you're going to fuck a real kid, that would depend on the person, I don't think fetishes are as black and white as people make them out to be. If someone masturbated to a cartoon dick, that doesn't necessarily mean they'd want to fuck a dude in real life, but even so, the fact that they'd have no problem getting it off to a drawn dick still means they at least have gay tendencies of some form. I think where people go fundamentally wrong is that they assume the person they are arguing with should think about the fetish in the same way as they do. If someone says "No, I only like lolis" and they GENUINELY do only like lolis, regardless of whether or not YOU'D class that as being indistinguishable from real life paedophilia, the mere fact that THEY see a difference in those two variables means they aren't the same, this is a fetish after all, it can be as specific or vague as that person's sexual desires want it to be. A vs B in the argument of morality in certain fetishes can be as similar or different as you want them to be. I get what you are saying bruh. I agree with this. Much respect. |
| LOLicons are still making the argument of real vs fiction... Meanwhile, anime SJWs have a firm grip on reality... Lolis = bad....period. If you even think about lolis you are a criminal...and once we get through the UN, game over. |
JustALEX said: LOLicons are still making the argument of real vs fiction... Meanwhile, anime SJWs have a firm grip on reality... Lolis = bad....period. If you even think about lolis you are a criminal...and once we get through the UN, game over. I'm not sure who you keep trying to impersonate. Nobody here said that liking lolis was wrong. |
| A friend of mine used to have a boyfriend but she broke up with him because she found out he was a lolicon. Two weeks later, he got arrested. aha |
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| It's pretty much about whether you can draw a line between reality and fiction or not. I do like lolis, but i have no sexual attachment to lolis characters, i just find them cute and adorable, not to mention lolis hentai also turn me off. I can't say for all lolicon tho. In the end i believe it's just a matter of how you perceive it. Do you fantasize about a real child while looking at that drawing Or Do you just see a drawing in that drawing?. |
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