Why are Europeans ok with America Provoking Russia?

BJuice said:
This whole thing is not even about Ukraine at all but more about new world currency zones (and new world order) and which countries will be taking their stance where.

Ukraine is just a pretty and distracting picture on the screens for Western viewers and the manipulative purpose because of the current world economic crisis.

The US is really trying too hard on prolonging the life of the already falling economic system by trying to destroy China/Russia, but... they need to realize that things won't go back to them how they were previously.

All red lines were crossed by NATO and the US at this point, now it is all about who will survive and how.

Meusnier said:

The irony to see you using the verb "dehumanise" is priceless. As someone who would have a party if billions died, you should not be using the word "human" and its derivatives too lightly.


Remember that this line is an obvious anti-Christian one:

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." Matthew 12:30



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Desolated said:

>Unironically thinking Ukraine is winning this war
>Unironically saying "Slava Ukraini", a WW2 slogan of Ukrainian Nazi collaborators
>Unironically thinking that everyone who's pro-China and CPC are being paid

Yeah sure, keep deluding yourself with the sweet lies the western MSM feeding you daily. The US hegemony is faltering, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

And no, nobody is paying me shit. I just want to witness a new order under China as the global world leader, and the revival of the USSR.

NorthmostIsle said:
>Be Russa
>Second largest military in the world
>largest airforce in the world
>largest tank force in Europe
>unlimited access to fuel and gas

>Be Ukraine
>Little tanks, no airforce, and a fraction of the military size

>Mighty Russian performance of a country definitely winning!
>Lost 3 capital ships, including their own flag ship to said country that doesn’t even have a Navy
>Tanks run out of fuel 10 miles into enemy territory and have to be abandoned
>Let Ukrainian Helicopters blow up fuel depot in their own country unmolested
>tens of thousands of poor and ethnic minority conscripts dead
>dozens of generals and high ranking officers dead
>couldn’t even take Kiev, a capital less than 150 km from friendly Belarus
>US had already taken Baghdad by this point with basically zero losses

>yeah the russians are winning
>cope and seeth tankie

Putin is literally a billionaire bourgeoisie who has a palace to rival that of a Czar along with all his billionaire bourgeoisie friends. They stole their wealth from the people of Russia and are now sending underprivileged members of their own proletariat to die for their own financial benefit. Some commie you are.

But keep responding to this post. I know it's helping you make money. See? Look at how much humanity I have! Enjoy the internet and Anime western style capitalism gave you in the meantime.

Slava Ukraini

Freshell said:

Looking at GDP per Capita, I can easily see why Ukraine wants to be less like Belarus and more like Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia.
Ally with Russians, and you stay impoverished.
As is tradition from the old USSR days.

katsucats said:
Well this thread aged well.

Yeah, NATO are reaping what they sowed for not putting more missiles on the border, and spending more to counteract Russian bot trolls disseminating laughable propaganda on the internet. Perhaps we have Donald Trump and our senators to thank for the inaction from 2015 onward though.

It's funny you think Europe is losing when Russia is struggling to take out Ukraine. Thanks to Putin's actions, now more countries are on an accelerated timeline to join NATO. Most of the younger Russians themselves dislike Putin.

But nothing will convince someone who's been fed lies from Channel One "programming" from those cheap blue LED lights every night and now makes it their mission to make Russia a laughingstock on MAL of all places.

Meusnier said:

The irony to see you using the verb "dehumanise" is priceless. As someone who would have a party if billions died, you should not be using the word "human" and its derivatives too lightly.


Remember that this line is an obvious anti-Christian one:

"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." Matthew 12:30



1:00:07.

katsucats said:
This conflict was literally started by Russian making up pretexts for invading Serbia, Belarus, Georgia, and then annexing Crimea, and now mainland Ukraine, and now they have their sights on Moldova by funneling arms to the separatist-backed regions of Transnistria using the same tactic. It's about Russia trying to reestablish the USSR. It's not a "new world order", and the Western economic system far exceeds Russian output.

I don't know who's paying you to be a wingnut on the internet, but you're going to need to do more research because you're not going to convince anyone with this vague conspiratorial nonsense.

No one's trying to destroy Russia and China.

Nurguburu said:


"Unironically saying "Slava Ukraini", a WW2 slogan of Ukrainian Nazi collaborators"

Lol easily debunked



Slava Ukraini!

Also, the swastika existed before NSDAP was even created, just in case.

Meusnier said:
The French speakers should read this book:



It helps understanding why some people believe that Russia will save Europe by conquering it to free the "Continent" (if we do not include Russia in Europe...) from its corruption. However, the current Russia is as or perhaps even more corrupt than Europe, and as such, has absolutely no credibility to play a role of saviour (of Europe). For more information, read Dostoevsky's A Writer's Diary.

LoliAnchorman said:
Even Khamenei called the Ukrainian war an invasion.

https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1519000301491171328

Also Based Ahmadinejad
https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1499088073115811848

Desolated said:

Because Russia's goal is simply just demilitarization and denazification, not bombing everything into oblivion. That's why they avoid attacking civilians areas. And guess what? Zelenshit took advantage of this by using his man as meat shield. Shit dude should've just capitulate.

And no, Russia never intended to take Kiev. The goal is just to prevent foreign supplies while securing to liberate Mariupol. Just look at exactly when did they withdraw from Kiev.

I'd never deny that. But what is the reach of these so-called Russian "billionaire bourgeoisie" has compared to the American ones, that has and still plaguing the whole world with its child slavery practice? But of course, you'd call the American ones "enterpreneur". What a hypocrite.

No, I don't get any cent in posting any of this. You capitalists can only think that money is the only thing that incentivizes people to do something. No, my nationalism towards Actually Existing Socialist countries isn't driven by petty reason such as money. Even if the USA paid me 1 million dollars to be pro-USA internet poster, I'll reject it 100%.You mean the same Lithuania that has the highest suicide rates in the world? Or the same Latvia that has just mask off as fascist state with no regards of so-called "freeze peach"? But of course you won't care about all of that, because you're a capitalist bastard who loves the idea of looting the resources of the Global South countries.

Again, look at this dehumanizing reply calling a human being as "bots".

Refer to my reply to the first user regarding the war situation.

Also no, Putin's approval rating skyrocketed to 81% in Russia after the war.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putins-approval-rating-soars-since-he-sent-troops-into-ukraine-state-pollster-2022-04-08/

And you know who else are in support of Russia? China, North Korea, Syria, India, and tons of other countries in the Global South who are already sick and tired with the imperialism of the Global North, especially the United SnaKKKes of AmeriKKKa.

The American empire is faltering, and the new Eastern Bloc will prevail. Deal with it.

Party billions dead what? When did I said that? Stop slandering me.


>Reestablish the USSR

I FUCKING wish.

But no, if anything, Russia is trying to re-establish the Russian Empire, and that's why I wish for a regime change in Russia, but only after the fall of the USA and its bloc.

Also funny that you called Transnistria a "separatist-backed regions" instead of a country. You know what else I can call a "separatist-backed regions" that needs to be liberated from its occupation? Yes, the Taiwan province.


Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html

Not to mention that this very site has bunch of shitlibs trying to remove the neo-Nazi part in the "Azov description that has been there for years in an edit war.

Also the original Swastika is different from the black and tilted version of the Nazi. Anyone with at least one braincell can easily differentiate them.

Good job on masking off yourself btw.
And why do you think that happened, if not because of an even more corrupt entity destroyed the USSR in the Cold War? That's why this even more corrupt entity is something that needs to be put to an end first among all others.

Again, look at this dehumanizing reply calling a human being as "bots".

Party billions dead what? When did I said that? Stop slandering me.

Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html

And why do you think that happened, if not because of an even more corrupt entity destroyed the USSR in the Cold War? That's why this even more corrupt entity is something that needs to be put to an end first among all others.

And no, Russia never intended to take Kiev. The goal is just to prevent foreign supplies while securing to liberate Mariupol. Just look at exactly when did they withdraw from Kiev.

Freshell said:

Looking at GDP per Capita, I can easily see why Ukraine wants to be less like Belarus and more like Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia.
Ally with Russians, and you stay impoverished.
As is tradition from the old USSR days.

Desolated said:
You mean the same Lithuania that has the highest suicide rates in the world? Or the same Latvia that has just mask off as fascist state with no regards of so-called "freeze peach"? But of course you won't care about all of that, because you're a capitalist bastard who loves the idea of looting the resources of the Global South countries.

Belarus is the most dangerous country in Europe for media personnel. Critical journalists and bloggers are subjected to threats and violence and are arrested in large numbers. There are Internet cuts. Leading news websites are blocked. The print media are censored and access to information is restricted. Since the disputed presidential election in August 2020, the few independent media outlets have been hounded by police trying to prevent coverage of the huge street protests. They were already harassed by the authorities, fined and forced into exile, but they had not previously been persecuted on this scale. Raids and prosecutions are much more frequent, and the jail sentences are getting longer. Despite the risks and the increase in propaganda in the state media, courageous journalists continue to cover developments.

RedCesar said:
The topics of people that had foresight shouldnt be revived by people that are blind.

So okay now after years Germany is sending in tanks that will wind up in hands of Neo Nazis as if history cant possibly repeat itself and everyone sending in weapons in general basically for child sodgiers (seeing that Zelensky removed age limits on the military)

Fate_Saber88 said:
@traed



So every brigade of the UA is full of nazis? Why would these German tanks fall into nazi hands? The Russian narrative in order to use 'denazification' as a propaganda tool to dehumanize a population of 40 million people, invade their country, bomb their cities, and loot their property does not hold up period.

For all people know Putin couldn't care less about some Neo-Nazi crack heads considering Russia has a huge problem with neo-nazism too, the DPR was caught praising a soldier (flashing Nazi patches) for killing nazis.

They have their own child soldier programs as well, if not to a bigger extent in Russia.
It's observable that the Russian soldiers are on average younger, especially because of conscription and relatively antiquated short training period. If anything the UA has more experienced soldiers on the front, the youngest soldiers normally stay on guard duty as far as UA still has its military brigades intact.

Quite honestly many countries have some child soldiers then... Canada has a very assimilated program for kids twelve to nineteen years of age. I myself was an air-cadet, Are we making neo-nazi killer Canadians ready for war now?

Edit: Putin's whole platform is all about conservative values which in Russia goes hand in hand with these cadet summer camps.

Groups like Azov Batallion are officially Ukraine's military basically even though their roots are Ultra Nationalist Neo Nazis.

You couldn't possibly compare dumb patriotic propoganda programs for kids as exactly same as actually having them in the military in real combat.

Russia has Nazis but they at least aren't officially the government's military.

The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one other such victory would utterly undo him. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the loss they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war.

— Plutarch, Life of Pyrrhus

Meusnier said:


You are indeed not very different from a bot since you are unable to argue in a genuine way... Besides whataboutism and easy anti-fascism, your replies are devoid of any real content.


You said that you would have the biggest party of your life when the West falls against the Global South. North America and Europe (without Russia) already represent more than a billion of people, but you should add more countries like Japan, South Korea, or Australia...


Classical bad faith argument. If some Wikipedia articles are badly written, have a strong political bias, and mess up with the chronology, most of them have references that direct to excellent sources, especially when it comes to history.

https://www.istpravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2018/10/4/153036/


Easy, easy, conspi-red-boy. USSR collapsed by itself without foreign intervention, it was not "destroyed" (sic). It would be time for you to stop being a negationist who believes that the gulags were vacation facilities amongst other shocking things.

As someone who only knows Dostoevsky by name, you should remain silent on such questions.

Freshell said:


Not that I imagine you care, because you'll dismiss anything that goes against your worldview as being western capitalist propaganda, but the suicide rate in Lithuania at present is 20.2 per 100,000. The suicide rate in Belarus is 26.2 suicides per 100,000. So even by your own metric, you messed up. Reporters without borders also gives Belarus a much lower score than Latvia on press freedom.

https://rsf.org/en/country/belarus

Even without these points, btw, my point was obviously that it would behoove Ukraine to join NATO and the EU like those countries have, not to adopt everything those countries do.

Also yes, I support market systems, as they are the best vehicle by which to lift people out of poverty. Particularly countries that have exported out to other countries well.

Fate_Saber88 said:


Hell yea, copium pills hitting hard I see. Russian state media parroting is strong on this one.

Explain to us sir how a feint costs hundreds of equipment so that they could ''liberate'' the most distant city from Ukrainian supply lines, or the Russians simply had enough losses which led their command to reconsider their objectives?

The answer is pretty obvious.

On top of that, the UA is more militarized than ever, and ''denazification'' can only be achieved if they topple the government.
As it stands, Putin is in no position to force a demilitarization on his terms, and it looks like this will be a long drawn-out fight.

Fate_Saber88 said:
@Desolated

Great dodge the question... Anyway ''The U.S. economy shrank for the first time since 2020, reflecting an import surge tied to solid consumer demand -- which in turn suggests growth will return imminently.''- But ofc you are trying to overblow the headline and cherrypick a Twitter post based on a screenshot.

Desolated said:


The Amrican empire will fall, and it's inevitable.

I have mentioned a lot of times that "whataboutism" is not a fallacy, but rather, a liberal method of dismissing any criticisms pointing out their hypocrisy.

By the "fall of the US bloc" of course I never meant of massive scale of genocide of Americans, Europeans, Anglos, etc, but rather, now all of them have to work the same amount of effort to gain the same amount of results as the people of Haiti, Mali, Congo, etcetc.

DRC has the third largest population of poor globally. Poverty in DRC is high, remains widespread and pervasive, and is increasing due to impacts from COVID-19. In 2018, it was estimated that 73% of the Congolese population, equaling 60 million people, lived on less than $1.90 a day (the international poverty rate). As such, almost 14% — or one out of six people living in extreme poverty in SSA — live in DRC.

The extreme poverty rate in 2019 was 42.3%, as a result of outstanding agricultural output since 2014. The 2020 health, security, social, and political crises led to a 5% increase in poverty. Some 90% of the country’s poverty is concentrated in the densely populated rural areas of the south.

It of course, negatively affects the average European social democratic countries, which workers are benefitted from imperialism because their bourgeoisie is bribing their
working class hard through exporting exploitations

Also yes, the USSR collapsed due to the CIA intervention and Khrushchev revisionism that allow lukewarm socdems like Pizza boi Gorbachev come to power. Most of the common people back then were against the dissolution of the USSR (which means that the decision is totally undemocratic), and that until today, a lot of Russians wanted the USSR back.

It is still not enough to point out the crimes of the West to justify the crimes of the East.

I would not be so sure about that after witnessing you sending death threats to several people here. What are you even talking about? The "results" of Haiti, Mali and Congo are nil, and you would not want to live in any of those countries...

Indeed, for the people would starve to death.

Ah yes, the famous CIA conspiracy theory that is behind any political change in the world... Prove that Khrushchev was a CIA agent to start with. You are a democrat now? You must be really desperate to try making points by vague appeals to democratic values... But it should not come as a surprise from someone who thinks that China is a democracy

LoliAnchorman said:
Why you want to fall?

I mean, Karl Marx supported the annexation of Mexico's lands by the USA saying it brought the region into history plus it was believed by early Communists that the World being ruled by Empires meant you only had to seize power in one place and the rest will fall into line. Like how the Russian Empire become the USSR pretty easy.

You see Conservatives becoming cypto-Communists because the invisible hand of Capitalism is making it so they have to change to survive. Which means soon Conservativism will be wiped out by Capitalism. The sole reason Conservatives are around is because nations like China and Russia support them for their geo-political ends.

Like Mao said, Right-Wingers are awesome. Margert Thatcher gave Hong-Kong to China and Reagan supported Maoists in Afghanistan. Not to mention Churchill gave all of Eastern Europe to USSR and killed Iran's Democracy which turned it into a 1000% hostile to the West nation.

Desolated said:
Well, it's again, the NATO countries fault that they intended to prolong the war by keep supplying Ukraine with weapons. Should've just let Ukraine losing fast and capitulate to be fair.

Lmao the said "growth" is a mere speculations. Which will most likely be wrong.

Desolated said:
Countries that export raw materials are getting more impoverished.
Countries that export finished goods are getting richer, because finished goods costs far more than the costs of the materials needed to create said products. Don't tell me you actually think that the cost of all the raw materials needed to make 1 iPhone is not that different with the cost of iPhone itself.

Such as? When has the East plundered a country resources as much as how the west has done to Asia and Africa since 1800s? You sir, are acting in a bad faith here. Or do you want to say that equal results for equal efforts a crime now? Then you're no different than the imperialists.

I did not. Detainment is not a death threat. And the users I actually have said thing as such are a person who want to spread a terrible ideology that makes humanity more lawless and feral than the jungle ecosystem in the name of "freedom", and the other one is someone who believes that belitting someone with less results in life a necessity. You do know that such feral creatures of Fenrir in Nordic Mythology was put on leash with Gleipnir right? Similarly, people like them and their horrible ideologies needs to be put on leash.

Also those countries resources have been plundered hard. Look at the massive deforestation that happened in Haiti. And exactly. Nobody wants to live in a country that has become a victim of capitalism and imperialism. Because an average Haitian would need a lot of extra work to gain the same amount of materials gained by an average Dutch. And what I want is to make the work of each people needed to gain the same amount of worth equal, whether it be the people of the Global North, or the Global South. Of course in this case, the Haitians would've do less work than what they're currently doing to gain a certain amount and the Dutch would've need to work more. Read what I said before that people in the social democratic country of Europe will be most likely negatively affected. Funnily enough, the average American would've still be better off with that (this map is rather outdateed I guess but probably will still looking not that far from this).

Some people in Africa or Haiti etc can survive said conditions, what makes you think that every Dutch or Brits would've starve to death. Under even distribution none of the people of the Global North would've need to work as hard as what the people of the Global South currently do to gain the same amount of result (though of course, a bit harder is to be expected, but no more than twice even at countries currently with the wealthiest working class).

There is a reason I made those two separate points. No, Corn boi was not a CIA agent, nor is Pizza boi. Yeltsin was the one who probably was, as he made an appearance in TIME magazine which shows that he asked the help of the USA to rig his losing vote, and also of course, a lot of people in the Yeltsin's cabinets.

Desperate? No. That's just facts thst most people did not want the USSR to dissolve back then, and wants the USSR back now in Russia.

Speaking about China, 95% of the people are in approval of their government. Also, read this. China is a democracy that works.
http://www.news.cn/english/2021-12/04/c_1310351231.htm

You think a liberal democracy like your country France where people voted for Macron mostly because "Le Pen is worse" instead of "He is a good leader" is a better and healthy system? Lol.

Desolated said:


-Conservatism isn't opposed to Capitalism

Such as the invasion of Ukraine, genius. It seems that you have finally remembered the expression "bad faith," but you still cannot apply it correctly.

It is not a crime competition, red sophist.

Being sent to the gulag was worse at times than playing the Russian roulette. I agree with you, and wumaos, who are already on a leash, should even be behind bars.

As expected, you have no idea of economy if you think that you can distribute global wealth and expect that no famines occur. Try to think that a salary that makes you rich in a given country can make you extremely poor in another one.

Okay, you still have to prove that the CIA is behind the collapse of USSR. No, appearing on the Time magazine does not prove anything!... "Probably." You should not use probability theory here, only hard evidence. Once more, you show that you are an average conspiracy theorist, who prefers faith over facts.

Of course, the Russian citizens regret the grandeur of their fallen empire, but you should also know that most ex-USSR countries do not want to become slaves of Russia once more.

People cannot express freely criticism of China, of course they support their government... China is not a democracy, it does not matter how many times you say it.

Once more, you show that you cannot live without whataboutism and binary thinking. I do not like much the current state of French politics, but that does not mean that I would prefer living in China... Democracy has never been about electing good leaders by the way. Most candidates are mediocre, and one has to choose the least worse alternative. For example, Macron is not a conspiracy theorist or has a huge monetary conflict of interest with Russia, so he was obviously a better choice. Not to mention that he is much less xenophobic, although he does not differ much from Le Pen when it comes to islamophobia...

Freshell said:

More impoverished? The world continues to get less impoverished pretty much everywhere. Some countries are definitely getting much richer than others though.
Still, there is something we agree on. Yes, when I said a country "exports well" as a way out of poverty, I had in mind finished products. Being able to export finished products that the world wants to buy shows you're developing strong domestic industries.
I'm not some neoliberal or a free market purist. There's room for industrial policy. But fundamentally it has to tie back to international market signals, otherwise your country is supporting industries that aren't any good for it. Eventually you should have domestic industries that can compete internationally without any support. Countries that have gone through this track successfully have used markets, not just planning.

Which NATO almost fully responsible of.

This conflict only have happened for like, 8 years at max. Comparing this to centuries worth of history of colonialism which still happened in some parts of the world even until today? Yeah, stop embarassing yourself.

You wouldn't get sent to the gulag unless you're an extreme political dissident or violent terrorists.

And no, I'm free to speak my opinion. Nobody in the CPC is forcing me to be pro-CPC. It's a decision of my own. "Wumao" doesn't exist. We are all patriotic towards China for all our own reasons better than a mere money.

Also wow, did you just threaten me? And you did reported me before for it. How ironic.

Do you really think that salary is the only thing that will change in that case? Lol, change from capitalism to socialism is a very radical transformation of nearly every aspects of life.

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/174691/Boris-Yeltsin-had-entourage-of-hundreds-of-CIA-agents
https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14000920000482/Pin-Says-Rssian-Gvernmen-Was-Swarming-wih-CIA-Officers
http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html

Do I really need to do this? Sheesh.

And choose to become the US sellout instead? Heh, that's why people these countries need a serious re-education.

Wrong. Stop spreading lies. People criticize and do protests all the time in China.

To comply with the government, each individual site privately employs up to 1,000 censors. Additionally, approximately 20,000–50,000 Internet police (wang jing) and Internet monitors (wang guanban) as well as an estimated 250,000–300,000 “50 cent party members” (wumao dang) at all levels of government—central, provincial, and local—participate in this huge effort (Chen and Ang 2011, and our interviews with informants, granted anonymity). China overall is tied with Burma at 187th of 197 countries on a scale of press freedom (Freedom House 2012), but the Chinese censorship effort is by far the largest.

Our stratified sampling design includes the following 85 topic areas chosen from three levels of hypothesized political sensitivity described in the section on data above. Although we allow overlap across topic areas, empirically we find almost none.

High: Ai Weiwei, Chen Guangcheng, Fang Binxing, Google and China, Jon Hunstman, Labor strike and Honda, Li Chengpeng, Lichuan protests over the death of Rao Jianxin, Liu Xiaobo, Mass incidents, Mergen, Pornographic Web sites, Princelings faction, Qian Mingqi, Qian Yunhui, Syria, Taiwan weapons, Unrest in Inner Mongolia, Uyghur protest,Wu Bangguo, Zengcheng protests

Yeah right, which is why China's system is better because that way you can know who's more competent at which thing and so on and therefore, you can get a more competent country leader than all the mudslinging campaign in liberal democracy.

Fate_Saber88 said:


You're misunderstanding me, nobody denies that Azov has nazi roots. I'm in no way denying their neo-nazi fantasies, but the fact they are part of the UA is not a determining factor to tag the current Ukrainian government as Nazi, let alone an entire country and army. The Azov battalion is just a product of the chaos that unfolded in 2014, at the time it's true that the UA had a weak military in every way and whoever was down to hold a gun was more than welcome to do so.

The Azov Batallion is a single brigade, the way you describe it sounds like the entire Ukrainian Armed Forces are composed by the Azov batallion alone, but the Ukrainian Army has 18 brigades of regulars and NG, 3 naval infantry brigades, 10 TDF brigades plus 8 reserve brigades. And for the comfort of any Antifa the Azov ''batallion'' is probably trapped in Mariupol so they are not even combat effective anymore.

There is no way that any western supply is directed to one single battalion trapped deep behind enemy lines.

Where are these kids in real combat? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Children make for shit soldiers, modern gear is really heavy. So far I've seen footage of the same summer camps but no actual combat.

What about the DPR and LPR, they are Russian, and Russia has other expandable units such as the Chechens so as of now there is no need for their Nazis.

You should not be surprised to be called a Russian bot after making such outlandish claims. If the situation is slightly more complicated than "Russia bad," there are no good justifications for this invasion...

So what? That does not make the invasion right, and if you were truly an anti-colonialist and an anti-imperialist, you would not support it.

You threatened AU to sending him to the gulag... I don't think that he is an extremist or a terrorist, but I should know that you are almost completely desensitized to defamation.

It is not free speech to parrot a country's propaganda. You are only free to say things that align with the views of the CCP.

Putting wumaos behind bars means removing them their freedom of speech, it has nothing to do with sending death threats... I think that it is reasonable to remove bad faith actors and conspiracy theorists from the World Forum. And if you don't consider yourself as a wumao, you shouldn't be worried!...

No jokes. And we know how miserable stayed the people of USSR during decades.

As expected, you shared garbage sources.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mehr-news-agency/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fars-news/

Once more, this Time cover is irrelevant. You have yet to come up with hard evidence...

The US will not conquer those countries or ask them to do anything, so this is a lesser evil for them compared to the yoke of USSR. And you should know that almost no country has a true sovereignty today.

How surprising, the most controversial topics like the Uyghur, Mongolia or Taiwan will be censored...

Competent people would not have to change the rules to stay longer in power... Talk about living in a democracy...

katsucats said:

But nothing will convince someone who's been fed lies from Channel One "programming" from those cheap blue LED lights every night and now makes it their mission to make Russia a laughingstock on MAL of all places.

No one's trying to destroy Russia and China.

Who do you think officially made Azov part of the military? It was the government. Even if desperate that's an extremely questionable decision which shows they if not for them sure as fuck arent against them. Besides I never said Ukraine's government is Nazi. Avoz is a key role so yeah even though there are others they are pretty central it seems.

Azov even said they wanted to overthrow the government yet got that status anyway. Shouldnt it be obviously questionable to give them such a rank when they openly want to overthrow the government?

So again you're ignoring the removal of age requirments for the military? Not just lowering or raising but entire removal. Do you seriously think it was all for no reason? Again point is the lack of the usual level Western criticism over actions like that not whether or not there is footage of such things as if they are just going to film themselves.

Mounted weapons dont really require strength particularly at least for just firing. Plus there are drone pilots a kid whos played videogames would be ideal in theory

Whataboutism. Moot point. I never said Russia is the better government. I was explaining some of the missing narrative in media.

It's possible the war could have been prevented or possibly be ended if the Ukrainian government just put a vote out were citizens in different regions decide what country they want to belong to. But no it would rather just pass guns around to untrained people to kill themselves with while they block them from leaving the country .

Fate_Saber88 said:


I mean, they might be the second or third best unit in the national guard, but I have no idea how internal finances work throughout the Ukrainian armed forces so I won't go into that ''Central'' role argument, and I don't think there is enough evidence to tell they are central at least in order to receive mechanized equipment from Germany, the priority is the Mech Infantry and Tank Brigades. BTW they are encircled anyway.

Also, they're determined idiots, which should be a bad combination but they're still determined idiots, and... They were the most effective unit in 2014 because they integrated most units that stood up, making them official part of the military facilitated communications. You don't waste talent when you really need it.

That being said, Azov probably manage to get private funding which grants them some cool surplus toys.

I agree they have the potential to be a serious problem if they do survive this war.
I don't mean they will definitely start an open rebellion though, they don't have the numbers.

They increased the maximum age, the minimum age still the same 18 years old requirement.

Also, the media misinterpreted this tweet

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1497130688981655552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Translation:

I was just listing out the Russian expandable forces since they have way too many they don't need the nazis, also their Nazis probably have no combat experience.

Warning : Take this last link with a grain of salt.

Media have biased this is nothing new but we have independent media and open-source intelligence channels available everywhere.

They handed guns to untrained people in Kyiv who wanted to fight, this happens in countries fighting for their own survival especially when you have enemy forces 10 miles from your capital, the regular army did 99% of the job anyway, and they don't need these desperate measures anymore as Russia botched the Blyatzkrieg.

Also, what would've happened if Putin lose the vote? Probably War.

BJuice said:
@Desolated, instead of cleansing your brain by all these French breads in here.
...here are some interesting vids from people who were actually been in the military/war and are also not Russians by any means.

Cneq said:
lmao this aged well.

Also obligatory reminder if you support Ukraine you're a tool and should seriously put in some time educating yourself.

Honestly fucking sick that most of the western population has been mobilized to give supplication to Ukraine despite most of said western population not even knowing what "Ukraine" was a few months before the war broke out.

To understand the situation you quite literally need a knowledge base of thousands of hours from everything from general philosophy, warfare, statecraft, history [all history] and of course a firm understanding of the geopolitical situation of the world from at least the last 200 years.

Yet what do we get? Governments guiding uneducated zealots to give supplication to Ukraine and it's guardian deity and heroic spirit ----XxDIVINExX---xXKNIGHTxX---xXZELESNKYxX---- HERO OF VIRTUE AND PARAGON OF JUSTICE and unironically trying to push the world into WW3 while they're at it by supporting government spending to arm Ukraine to high hell EVEN MORE and thus drag out the suffering, ensure Ukraine is a debt slave to the west by the wars end and to ensure 90% of Ukraine's infrastructure is completely gone [which is a lovely opportunity for more "emergency loa-*cough* I mean emergency aid" which said emergency aid is already accumulating interest as we speak.

I swear this technological singularity we've entered into in the last few decades is going to be fucked in 100 years time.

We've barely hit the two decade mark and the effect the internet and this explosion in information technology is having is clearly fucking distorting global perception and it only seems to be getting worse.

People need a serious wake up call and to actually dedicate time to educating themselves and grounding themselves in reality.

Zeltron97 said:


Care to explain how supporting Ukraine automatically turns you into a tool? Regardless of the Azov battalion, the unreliable info surrounding the Yanukovych coup, the supposedly brewing revanchism between US and Russia since the Cuban missile crisis, the ICBM and ABM shields that resulted in an arms race for a while, and so on, how do you ignore the fact that the sovereignty of a country is at stake when Russia has a very well-established history of trying to eventually annex regions surrounding them by breaking them away and treating them as autonomous zones with puppet establishments that pretty much support their agenda? Does sovereignty not mean a thing to you? Or do you just feel like ukraine is a pawn, so it has to accept its inevitable fate and this is all about the US and Russia? Either way, I feel like you're undercutting the aggressive actions of the Russian government despite hearing Putin voice his intentions openly on several occasions.