Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| Hopefully Subaru will change his ways a bit after Emila's breakdown. He just rushes into things mindlessly. I did like his character for most the series but he is very annoying at times. Props to Emilia once again for finally putting him in his place. |
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iRels said: Tony_SansNom said: Btw I think I have a question but... do they even see him starting to talk when he tries to explain his situation? Or does the hand prevent it, goes back a few seconds back and "cuts" the moment he starts talking? Or is it, he just starts talking and then stops and the characters interpret it as "he doesn't want to tell"? Doesn't go back in time, yeah. I see. Thanks for the answer. It's like they are not aware he starts talking it was always bothering me. |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
Fai said: Rayla said: I don't think people understand that this needed to happen, I may not have read any of the light novels, but i felt that this needed to happen. In order to improve in characterization, sometimes we have to see characters at their lowest, and this was Subaru's lowest. The author wanted to make Subaru seem pathetic and weak because for the past two arcs we witnessed him doing some damn commendable things despite his weaknesses. People need to realize that at the end of the day, Subaru was just a human that was dragged into this predicament. It was hard for me to watch this episode just as much as it was hard for everyone else. I am pretty sure every single person knows why it is being done. It is HOW that is the problem. It feels forced, it clashes with his characterization and it goes to such lengths that makes character hate-able instead of merely fucking up. I believe that's the intention, if you don't enjoy it, that's fine, but I've seen far worse fuck-ups. |
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Shrimperor said: NB4Y said: I don't think that's completely true though. In the contrary he may have gotten even more that feeling after losing the concept of death and using it at his advantage. After that he started to become more "yolo-ish" and caring less about his own life risking everything for his goals and being surprised everytime he wakes up realising he's still alive. I think it's pretty safe to assume that he lost his mind and started to carelessly reach his goals even more than before. Now that he doesn't have to save anyone anymore he aims at Emilia without caring about the consequences as if he was in a game where he could just rewind when he needed to. But he is afraid of death and will rather avoid it then die & repeat. Arc 2 showed us that. He is afraid of it but starts treating it really lightly. We've seen it multiple times with the dogs, his suicide, his reckless fight in this episode where he even thought he was gonna die. In arc 1 he really tried to avoid it and showed signs of fear, but now he takes his safety for granted and risks more than before |
| While Emilia didn't really get any new characterization besides being a "filthy woman" I'm sure glad she didn't drop to her knees on Subaru. Shows she doesn't have time for bullshit. And maybe, just maybe has aspirations of her own she can't jeopardize because of a friend's selfish (from her perspective anyway) agenda. Don't get why some ragged on Emilia. I mean she really doesn't know what the fuck is in Subaru's head. Expressing how much trouble she may be in thanks to his actions at least shows she has a backbone and largely makes her more likeable than most female leads. Of course it felt a little strange when she rebuffed one of the elder's compliments of Subaru by answering he isn't. But it implies she has brains enough to realize that even if one person acknowledges and understands (in some ways) Subaru's brash loyalty, a massive deal of damage has already been done. And (knowing her pure character) to prevent that from escalating has to distance herself from him, even if it's solely for the sake of him as well as herself. She was already being pushed around in front of dozens. Looking back I'd say it's one of the better episodes for Emilia's "character" even though the fucking back of Subaru's head blotted out the lighting. |
Rayla said: Fai said: I am pretty sure every single person knows why it is being done. It is HOW that is the problem. It feels forced, it clashes with his characterization and it goes to such lengths that makes character hate-able instead of merely fucking up. I believe that's the intention, if you don't enjoy it, that's fine, but I've seen far worse fuck-ups. The show is intentionally having him be out of character? Also didn't we already have this in Arc2? Complete with Subaru breaking down for people rejecting him? So Why are we having it AGAIN? |
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NB4Y said: Shrimperor said: But he is afraid of death and will rather avoid it then die & repeat. Arc 2 showed us that. He is afraid of it but starts treating it really lightly. We've seen it multiple times with the dogs, his suicide, his reckless fight in this episode where he even thought he was gonna die. In arc 1 he really tried to avoid it and showed signs of fear, but now he takes his safety for granted and risks more than before In Arc2 he was also afraid, and only suicided after he realised that the Maids are good persons and helped him. After that he really didn'T want to die again. He would've broke down if he did. And everything turned fine after that. |
| People take dying really casually with how much they throw it around saying he should do so just because of this drama, or even to beat that knight by learning his every move. Subaru and us don't even know if he has infinite lives in the first place. But even if he did, I don't see why anyone would want to go through dying so to save face or small gains. And then there's people who act like it isn't a given that Subaru still doesn't have mental issues automatically due to the torture and deaths he's been through. |
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Fai said: Rayla said: I believe that's the intention, if you don't enjoy it, that's fine, but I've seen far worse fuck-ups. The show is intentionally having him be out of character? Also didn't we already have this in Arc2? Complete with Subaru breaking down for people rejecting him? So Why are we having it AGAIN? When you die repeatedly countless times, you're mentality can get seriously messed up. Humans are also very inconsistent and hypocritical beings in the first place, we have are weaknesses, and Subaru is meant to be portrayed in a very realistic manner. If you dislike the way Subaru acted, I understand where you're coming from, I found his actions to be cringey as well, but I felt it was necessary to improve characterization. It may have been forced for you, but to me it seemed natural, and that it was going to happen again eventually. |
Rayn3698Jun 26, 2016 5:54 PM
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| I'm really confused about Reinhard, I like him and all, but did he have this stuff planned? How? And if he didn't, it almost seems stupid he'd not inform Felt of anything after all those days, and just expected she'd go along with this. Or does he just have that much of a sincere faith in destiny-which would make him less likeable, even if destiny does end up being on his side.-? |
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LoneWizard said: Fai said: No,it is what people do when they have a huge fight with their lovers or friends or whatever,overflowed with all kinds of feelings and angst while thinking they are being treated unfairly...When you lose your shit you DO NOT think,you CANT think...You just yell out the ugliest shit trapped inside the very depths of your heart...But he IS being a bad person. Telling someone they OWE YOU for being nice is as bad as it can be. Subaru THOUGHT that she owed him,maybe just a little but he thought that,you would thought like that too...And he couldnt stop himself from screaming that ugly thought out of frustration and desperation... He didnt regress,he was always an emotional "human" and he is still an emotional "human"... I guess some people here have seen other people lash out from and say things don't mean when they get into heated arguments. |
Idiotproofninja said: cloud8100 said: Although I do think Subaru was acting ridiculously and it was horrible to watch, I feel as though too many people are jumping on the "hate Subaru" bandwagon too fast. :-\ Creepy Facial Expressions might be why. They were pretty creepy. Guy looked crazy there. |
QWERTYFish25 said: PukingMachines said: hey, i aint no source reader and i understood well enough, also you shouldn't be forced to read the source material to understand the whys, that a very weak argument This is a big problem a lot who follow this show have. Since they have the forward-going understanding of the characters and connecting the dots with their motivators they have a habit of implying/calling others who only understand a character from a largely linear perspective short-sighted or dense. Emilia was at fault for not being judgemental of Subaru. Because of her good nature. Reinhard didn't care enough. He's the blue-eyed, passive guy, after all. Roswaal had his hands tied. Because Subaru was favored by Emilia. And because they were both indebted to him. Puck also didn't care. He's a pure spirit. But the maids commented on it. Think it made him behave more. I'm not a source reader. I simply always thought that Subaru's condescending behavior was wrong. It was only now that it became clear to me that he's escapism. That he doesn't wants to face the fact that he's inferior to others of his age. He didn't care for Reinhard, as he wasn't being an obstruction to him. But then Julius came. And he questioned Subaru's worth. Subaru then couldn't take it. He insisted a lot. I could make suppositions about Subaru losing faith in females from the real world. That he didn't want to accept the blame of a possible humiliation he might've suffered. That as a result, he became a gamer to escape from reality. But ah, no need... (Huh, did I just say all...) Julius' yellow, active eyes, though:  |
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Which Arc 2 did. And which Arc 3 completely does not touch upon - we know nothing of his mental state in here. We just see him do stupid shit. Humans are also very inconsistent and hypocritical beings in the first place, we have are weaknesses, and Subaru is meant to be portrayed in a very realistic manner. AT the cost of literally becoming a different character for no reason? If you dislike the way Subaru acted, I understand where you're coming from, I found his actions to be cringey as well, but I felt it was necessary to improve characterization. I dislike the fact that it is absolutely contrary to his characterization so far. It literally does not feel like same character. And yes, I do have hard time imagining on how he could ever turn this around now aside from perma-dying. He started as realistic socially awkward guy who can use his head and is generally normal person who is capable of empathy and has, through course of straining events, accepted that this is not a game. And in these last two episodes, literally without explanation or an sort of transition, he became brain-dumb MRA wannabe stalker. And necessary to characterization maybe, but we literally had all of this already: Arc 2 had him: - be out of his element - suffer against impossible odds realizing this is not a game. - Have a break down in front of rem over them all not accepting him - have a break down in front of emilia over his predicament and that this is not a game - gather himself up in spite of that and put his life on the line for others accepting that htis is real. So why, after spending whole cour on it, are we having the exact same things again, but without a reason and with even more creep-factor? |
AhenshihaelJun 26, 2016 6:01 PM
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Ep7 If you dislike the way Subaru acted, I understand where you're coming from, I found his actions to be cringey as well, but I felt it was necessary to improve characterization. How can this improve characterization when it practically removed all the development of the first 11 episodes? The MC of the last 2 episodes wasn't Barusu, it was some other character. So much OOCness. |
Pedrosprx said: i really don't understant people hating on subaru right now. yes he was on a high horse and though he could do anything, but he was honest when he said it was for emillia. she just doesn't know more than half the truth since subaru kept dying. also, last cringy part of the episode could be summed up as argument starts, dubaru tries to solve it for the 100th time by saying what he can't, get's rekt, breaks and stuff just goes downhill. I hope next episode clears stuff up man... PS: and to the people saying he is useless, he always was kinda useless but his "abillity" makes him have a purpose, so there's that He's reason several people are alive right now. He's hardly useless. |
| There better not be a restart point before all his trash talk to Emilia. Subaru needs to learn that his ability isn't going to make everything run smoothly. |
| Subaru's only human and sometimes humans have ugly feelings like this. He's been through a lot of shit and he can't tell anybody about it so it just builds up until he explodes, doing things he wouldn't normally do and saying thinks he doesn't really mean to say. This was his wake-up call and hopefully he improves from it but to see how much hate he is getting is ridiculous. I get this was hard to watch but he was thrown into this word with nothing and is only just realizing how powerless he really is when it comes to the big picture. So far he's built up everyone's expectations and was put on a pedestal. Like Emilia said, he had an ideal image of her in his head but she had one of him too and sometimes that image burns away to reveal a vulnerable human being, one that is selfish and stubborn. One that doesn't know when a enough is a enough. One that lashes out and says cruel things because the pain in their chest is too much. For me, this was definitely hard to watch because watching Subaru was like watching a part of myself that I don't always like to admit that's there. I think other people also see themselves in Subaru and because they hate that part of themselves too, they end up hating the character for it. |
JotakakJun 26, 2016 7:02 PM
Jagd84 said: Apparently so...or they are too ignorant to even distinguish they ever said bad things?Because it doesnt even need to be 3D,i've did that exact same thing countless times in MAL forums unfortunately...LoneWizard said: No,it is what people do when they have a huge fight with their lovers or friends or whatever,overflowed with all kinds of feelings and angst while thinking they are being treated unfairly...When you lose your shit you DO NOT think,you CANT think...You just yell out the ugliest shit trapped inside the very depths of your heart... Subaru THOUGHT that she owed him,maybe just a little but he thought that,you would thought like that too...And he couldnt stop himself from screaming that ugly thought out of frustration and desperation... He didnt regress,he was always an emotional "human" and he is still an emotional "human"... I guess some people here have seen other people lash out from and say things don't mean when they get into heated arguments. Sometimes you start an argument,and once you start it is too late to back off,your pride doesnt allow that and you just keep telling more and more extreme stuff which hurts both yourself and the opposite site...At some point you even forget why that argument even started... |
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Tony_SansNom said: Btw I think I have a question but... do they even see him starting to talk when he tries to explain his situation? Or does the hand prevent it, goes back a few seconds back and "cuts" the moment he starts talking? Or is it, he just starts talking and then stops and the characters interpret it as "he doesn't want to tell"? They don't. 10char |
| So much stupidity. So cringe... Emilia's way too kind for times like these... But poor Subaru, he's definitely suffering psychologically. |
| I knew this was a harem anime but I continued to watch because I liked the premise but hell... This episode was a mess, Subaru is annoying af. I really hope this gets better in the 2nd part. |
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| I perfectly understand him being concerned around Julius. Just the way he acted was stupid. I mean he could've at least been more tactful. A big chunk of the last arc taught him how a bad choice of words or anything of the sort could lead him to disaster as with Rem, if I'm not mistaken. Granted I could understand him being pretty pleased with himself since he finally cleared the last arc. But as it prolly was stated somewhere, and as he admitted towards the end his own egotism put himself and possibly Emilia in danger. I still reflect the author should've have made it a little easier to play out the throne room scene while still having Subaru nearby, it may have not had as much impact when that blowout between Emilia and him took place looking back now. But he still would've found himself screaming at the room for picking on Emilia. I think we could've still walked upon the idea that Emilia truly despised his actions, him going off the rails and he still somewhat retaining the "smarts" he attained through the last two arcs. Here it feels like this is gonna be another drag, with Subaru initially building himself up so he can have his time with Emilia again only to realize he has to extend himself over to someone he decides is important to him. Only now this is in a way higher stakes shit. Instead of him being killed in his sleep (regardless of it being due to his actions over the last two episodes or not) it could be Emilia getting ripped open by one of the other candidates. Are we going to have to follow him around while he mopes and derps around again? Or are we going to see a determined Subaru who will either have to fuck someone over to make it past this with his "love" or "get gud" so he can have his cake? Will he accept he may just have to let his crush go for her sake or is he going to do "Asada-san! Asada-san! Asada-san! Asada-san! for the next 3 episodes? We're running out of episodes. And with this big ass cast and one of the leads still feeling like a cardboard cut-out at times I feel we're gonna be left pretty hungry. siradix said: There better not be a restart point before all his trash talk to Emilia. Subaru needs to learn that his ability isn't going to make everything run smoothly. I really hope that's not the case, too. Dunno how to describe it right now but it's gonna feel mighty cheap as opposed to him owning up and her acknowledging it. Shame they lost those other moments. |
Jagd84 said: Tony_SansNom said: Btw I think I have a question but... do they even see him starting to talk when he tries to explain his situation? Or does the hand prevent it, goes back a few seconds back and "cuts" the moment he starts talking? Or is it, he just starts talking and then stops and the characters interpret it as "he doesn't want to tell"? They don't. 10char Hm... To which one exactly? |
| "Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences." |
CommanderAmarao said: This episode made me want to drop this. Tell me it gets better. I loved this show just 3 episodes ago Then drop it if your that shallow. This isn't a show where MC's always right. It's one where he'll will have to do some growing up and face his mistakes to mature to into a better person. |
Jagd84 said: CommanderAmarao said: This episode made me want to drop this. Tell me it gets better. I loved this show just 3 episodes ago Then drop it if your that shallow. This isn't a show where MC's always right. It's one where he'll will have to do some growing up and face his mistakes to mature to into a better person. "Maturing into a better person" doesn't mean you have to revert into a retard to have impact. Yea, you can have out bursts and "forget yourself" but this shit felt rickety as fuck. |
Shrimperor said: Ep7 If you dislike the way Subaru acted, I understand where you're coming from, I found his actions to be cringey as well, but I felt it was necessary to improve characterization. How can this improve characterization when it practically removed all the development of the first 11 episodes? The MC of the last 2 episodes wasn't Barusu, it was some other character. So much OOCness. Fai said: Which Arc 2 did. And which Arc 3 completely does not touch upon - we know nothing of his mental state in here. We just see him do stupid shit. Humans are also very inconsistent and hypocritical beings in the first place, we have are weaknesses, and Subaru is meant to be portrayed in a very realistic manner. AT the cost of literally becoming a different character for no reason? If you dislike the way Subaru acted, I understand where you're coming from, I found his actions to be cringey as well, but I felt it was necessary to improve characterization. I dislike the fact that it is absolutely contrary to his characterization so far. It literally does not feel like same character. And yes, I do have hard time imagining on how he could ever turn this around now aside from perma-dying. He started as realistic socially awkward guy who can use his head and is generally normal person who is capable of empathy and has, through course of straining events, accepted that this is not a game. And in these last two episodes, literally without explanation or an sort of transition, he became brain-dumb MRA wannabe stalker. And necessary to characterization maybe, but we literally had all of this already: Arc 2 had him: - be out of his element - suffer against impossible odds realizing this is not a game. - Have a break down in front of rem over them all not accepting him - have a break down in front of emilia over his predicament and that this is not a game - gather himself up in spite of that and put his life on the line for others accepting that htis is real. So why, after spending whole cour on it, are we having the exact same things again, but without a reason and with even more creep-factor? Humans can be very inconsistent. Subaru has been forced into this world with no sign or notice. He has watched the girl he loved die in front of him and the girl he thought he could trust kill him. He has died and felt immeasurable pain we will never hope to understand. To top it all off, he is unable to tell people his powers. If you expect a human forced in this situation to remain calm and cool headed, than I really wish I could live in that lovely world. If you guys are trying to force me to change my way of thinking, seriously stop, it's annoying and a hassle. If you want to make a point please stop, you are incredibly annoying and what you are doing will do you no good. I'm sorry to say this, but there are people that won't agree with your viewpoints. If your mad and want to complain, please do not drag me in this. I have my views, and you guys have yours. Let it go. |
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| Not sure why so many people argue as if there needs, or should be, a uniform opinion about if Subaru should be liked or not. Like suddenly people should join the Subaru fanclub or hateclub. I don't think it really matters to this degree if people are hating on him, or supporting him, it's up to them. People can say some people lash out like this when they're angry, but others do not lash out and go on you owe me rants when angry too, depends on the person. Saying something is human isn't really reason to support someone or not, I mean it is also human to kill, rape, steal, and all sorts of stuff, doesn't mean you have to like the person and being human is an excuse enough for bad deeds. Personally, I wouldn't hold this lashing out against Subaru, but that's just me. I still hold Rem for her crap about torturing Subaru, and the fact her first thought was being glad her sister lost her horn, others seem to not hold this against her. This is why people have different values, different friends, and all that. What truly continues to baffles me are the people who act like Subaru wouldn't have mental issues from the death and torture, as if this wouldn't' continue in future arcs because he overcame this one little step of helping out Rem. Like this shouldn't be a matter of taste or values, I don't get why anyone would think Subaru is stable. |
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| Oh Subaru man did you f^ck up.....SO CRINGE WORTHY I know how he feels, he was humiliated in front of everyone and all he did was stand up for Emilia. Granted that was in bad taste and pretty out of line for the circumstances. I like seeing Felt being All rebellious, love her style. Emilia had every right to be pissed off she told Subaru several times not to do something and even made him Promise. At this point hes completely untrustworthy for her. I have no idea where this next arc goes but it looks like Subaru will probably be doing some soul-searching by himself or at least without Emilia around-shes pissed. Probably more dissapointed than pissed as she wanted him to be different. I am really anxious about the next episode more so than any other I have waited on so far. This trouble with Emilia is bad, the only thing I can think of is he commits suicide to reset the day and try and repair what he f^cked up. Though I couldn't for sure tell what time of day it was so I don't know if that would work or not. |
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Bananaoranges said: Can we please stop the "omg subaru is out of character 1/10"? Are you trying to tell me you've never acted out of character? Have you ever suffered from anxiety? He's not thinking straight, he's acting out of character because he's afraid. He's afraid of losing the people he cares about, namely Emilia and Co. He was worried about Emilia, hence why he followed her to the Palace. His motives may have seemed selfish but from his standpoint he was doing it for her. During arc 1 if he wasn't there Emilia would have died. During arc 2, if he wasn't around Rem and the children would have died. He's afraid that if he isn't there, and something does happen he has no way to undo it. Sure he has no ability to protect them, but he's most likely keeping in mind that he may be able to commit suicide to reset what has occurred. If he acts too late he may hit a checkpoint, which is exactly why he's so anxious and clingy when it comes to Emilia. Yes he ends up giving a cringe worthy speech at the end of how she owes him, but that's just him trying to blindly grab on to that last but of hope of keeping their relationship intact. Fear can do a lot to a person, it can even change how they carry them self so I'm not surprised how he handled himself. This is just my two cents. I'm aware I've skipped over a lot of points but it's late over here and I doubt I can persuade much of you to appreciate how the author created such a great scene. The anime has already established this, but it brought bluntly again even by Priscilla in manga version of chase with the Thugs when she sees through his facade. Subaru's always trying to fears though bravado. |
QWERTYFish25 said: Jagd84 said: Then drop it if your that shallow. This isn't a show where MC's always right. It's one where he'll will have to do some growing up and face his mistakes to mature to into a better person. "Maturing into a better person" doesn't mean you have to revert into a retard to have impact. Yea, you can have out bursts and "forget yourself" but this shit felt rickety as fuck. He never reverted into anything in first place but frankly I don't care if you can't see that or not. You free to denied what happens in the show to suit your bias. You're one wasting your time. Enjoy your fanfiction in your head. |
Bananaoranges said: Epicenter said: Not sure why so many people argue as if there needs, or should be, a uniform opinion about if Subaru should be liked or not. Like suddenly people should join the Subaru fanclub or hateclub. I don't think it really matters to this degree if people are hating on him, or supporting him, it's up to them. People can say some people lash out like this when they're angry, but others do not lash out and go on you owe me rants when angry too, depends on the person. Saying something is human isn't really reason to support someone or not, I mean it is also human to kill, rape, steal, and all sorts of stuff, doesn't mean you have to like the person and being human is an excuse enough for bad deeds. Personally, I wouldn't hold this lashing out against Subaru, but that's just me. I still hold Rem for her crap about torturing Subaru, and the fact her first thought was being glad her sister lost her horn, others seem to not hold this against her. This is why people have different values, different friends, and all that. What truly continues to baffles me are the people who act like Subaru wouldn't have mental issues from the death and torture, as if this wouldn't' continue in future arcs because he overcame this one little step of helping out Rem. Like this shouldn't be a matter of taste or values, I don't get why anyone would think Subaru is stable. Completely agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when people just start a circlejerk about something because they're not capable of accepting it, it does get pretty insufferable. I completely agree with you guys here. For the past several minutes I've been attacked for being in Subaru's side in all this. To be honest, I felt it was useless, because I wasn't going to change my opinions and see things their way. I also felt really hurt because I felt like my viewpoints didn't matter and I felt like I was being bullied. I told them how I felt one last time, and I tried my best to kindly tell them to back off. I just want to say thank you for agreeing with me, and for talking about this maturely. Having even a few people agree with me, makes me very happy. Thank you so much. Sorry for the bother. |
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Jagd84 said: QWERTYFish25 said: "Maturing into a better person" doesn't mean you have to revert into a retard to have impact. Yea, you can have out bursts and "forget yourself" but this shit felt rickety as fuck. He never reverted into anything in first place but frankly I don't care if you can't see that or not. You free to denied what happens in the show to suit your bias. You're one wasting your time. Enjoy your fanfiction in your head. "Bias?" For what? I thought Subaru was pretty cool in the last arc. |
Jagd84 said: Bananaoranges said: Can we please stop the "omg subaru is out of character 1/10"? Are you trying to tell me you've never acted out of character? Have you ever suffered from anxiety? He's not thinking straight, he's acting out of character because he's afraid. He's afraid of losing the people he cares about, namely Emilia and Co. He was worried about Emilia, hence why he followed her to the Palace. His motives may have seemed selfish but from his standpoint he was doing it for her. During arc 1 if he wasn't there Emilia would have died. During arc 2, if he wasn't around Rem and the children would have died. He's afraid that if he isn't there, and something does happen he has no way to undo it. Sure he has no ability to protect them, but he's most likely keeping in mind that he may be able to commit suicide to reset what has occurred. If he acts too late he may hit a checkpoint, which is exactly why he's so anxious and clingy when it comes to Emilia. Yes he ends up giving a cringe worthy speech at the end of how she owes him, but that's just him trying to blindly grab on to that last but of hope of keeping their relationship intact. Fear can do a lot to a person, it can even change how they carry them self so I'm not surprised how he handled himself. This is just my two cents. I'm aware I've skipped over a lot of points but it's late over here and I doubt I can persuade much of you to appreciate how the author created such a great scene. The anime has already established this, but it brought bluntly again even by Priscilla in manga version of chase with the Thugs when she sees through his facade. Subaru's always trying to fears though bravado. A lot of people tend to put on a front to deal with specific things. As you said he uses bravado to mask his true emotions, it's a way for him to manage them and by doing so attempting to forget his troubles . What we say today was him breaking. He was never stable in the first place. I do believe some scenes that were left out would have /maybe/ been able to allow the events of this episode to be better understood. I guess it just comes down to how each of us see Subaru. |
| Wow, Subaru that was hard to watch, pal. I had to pause at times because was insanely embarrassed for him. THAT CRINGE GAME IS STRONG HUH. But, I guess is Subaru being Subaru. I was reading some of the comments and as for me it didn't felt out of character. The difference is the situation he is on, I think. I'm so glad that his obsession for Emilia backfired. He WAS being such a creep. Imagine to her since she doesn't have the same memories as him. Oh well, let's see how he will die this time. (I thought he would be executed from being such an ass and all, but probably not) I would die from embarrassment, probably. x_x Felt's speech talk to me on a spiritual level xD |
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Bananaoranges said: Jagd84 said: The anime has already established this, but it brought bluntly again even by Priscilla in manga version of chase with the Thugs when she sees through his facade. Subaru's always trying to fears though bravado. A lot of people tend to put on a front to deal with specific things. As you said he uses bravado to mask his true emotions, it's a way for him to manage them and by doing so attempting to forget his troubles . What we say today was him breaking. He was never stable in the first place. I do believe some scenes that were left out would have /maybe/ been able to allow the events of this episode to be better understood. I guess it just comes down to how each of us see Subaru. I still think he's way better than most MCs. I just feel like he's being handled funny. He was still a fuckstick in these last two episodes, though. |
| I just can't get on this "Subaru is normal" train. Everything he does is stereotypical shonen protagonist BS, he just happens to suck at it. If he were normal, this show would have ended with episode 2 when, after dying and resurrecting the first time, he would be like "fuck this shit, I'm out". At best, we would have had an anime about him trying to get back home. Instead, in typical shonen protagonist fashion, dude becomes obsessed with protecting the main heroine, because reasons, and develops some sort of hero complex. Unlike most protagonist though, he's weak and things don't just magically work out for him, which might have been interesting if not for the fact that he's immortal and that all just becomes a moot point. The show sets this dude up as someone from the "real world". You would think that after realizing he wasn't some chosen one manga protagonist he would at least stop with the heroics. At the very least, you would expect him to become a more intellectual character given his circumstances but nope. Instead we get a guy that is constantly getting into fights he knows he can't win, creepily stalking the main heroine, becoming best buds with people that killed him, and frequently having emotional outburst/fits. Typical anime shit. Normal, he is not. At best, he's crazy and needs to be put into a mental institution. At worst (and more likely) he's, by design, a shitty shonen protagonist. In any case, he's not an interesting character, he's just plain annoying and drags the rest of the show down. |
Bananaoranges said: A lot of people tend to put on a front to deal with specific things. As you said he uses bravado to mask his true emotions, it's a way for him to manage them and by doing so attempting to forget his troubles . What we say today was him breaking. He was never stable in the first place. THEN SHOW IT. Just like Arc 2 did. Yet in this Subaru's stupidity and shitty behavior is played 100% completely straight, instead of being a front. |
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Bananaoranges said: Jagd84 said: The anime has already established this, but it brought bluntly again even by Priscilla in manga version of chase with the Thugs when she sees through his facade. Subaru's always trying to fears though bravado. A lot of people tend to put on a front to deal with specific things. As you said he uses bravado to mask his true emotions, it's a way for him to manage them and by doing so attempting to forget his troubles . What we say today was him breaking. He was never stable in the first place. I do believe some scenes that were left out would have /maybe/ been able to allow the events of this episode to be better understood. I guess it just comes down to how each of us see Subaru. Right, but he was doing that when he died multiple times in 2nd arc and even Betty called him out on it when went into library to hide his fear. Or the series incidents that lead to Emilia giving him a lap-pillow. It would have just been redundant to bring it up again. |
Rayla said: Bananaoranges said: Completely agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when people just start a circlejerk about something because they're not capable of accepting it, it does get pretty insufferable. I completely agree with you guys here. For the past several minutes I've been attacked for being in Subaru's side in all this. To be honest, I felt it was useless, because I wasn't going to change my opinions and see things their way. I also felt really hurt because I felt like my viewpoints didn't matter and I felt like I was being bullied. I told them how I felt one last time, and I tried my best to kindly tell them to back off. I just want to say thank you for agreeing with me, and for talking about this maturely. Having even a few people agree with me, makes me very happy. Thank you so much. Sorry for the bother. IMO, you shouldn't apologize or feel sorry when you haven't done anything wrong or harmful. You shouldn't let these people hurt you either, it's just a discussion thread on the internet. Though, I think it's a stretch to say you were being bullied from what I saw. But like you, I do prefer mature manner of conversation. |
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