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Jul 13, 2015 10:26 PM
#451
bobzanny said: You know it's times like these that I wish Fai was here to clear up all these comments about "generic" and "cliche". Relying on others is never a winning solution. If you don't know, bluff, if called, double down on your opinion. Like the lottery, you can't win if you don't play, regardless of how bad the odds are. |
Jul 13, 2015 10:26 PM
#452
Takuan_Soho said: Would "boring" be better? "flat", "predictable", "stereotypical", "hackneyed" explain better? The MC of this series offered nothing appealing, nothing original. He "struggled to find the sword" (seriously, had it been a hammer, at least it would have been different), was "tested by the caretaker", was "found lacking" and went through "initiation and training", he had his "weakness" exposed (though it is not a true weakness, he just cares too much and is not cynical and we know his idealism will soon affect others), he had the "call to action", in which he is initially "saved by the hardened veterans", but then "powers up without reason" when his core naive beliefs are challenged, resulting in his saving those hardened veterans. You know, I believe that it may be the anime story telling's fault on that one. So you are correct to note your displeasure of the opening act. Not sure if I am remembering correctly but I recall in the game, you were immediately told on the spot that you're a special New-Type that can use God Arcs that can change from Blade to Buster mode (along with another spoiler mode). You were told that only a few rare amount of people that were compatible of it. Or was it that you are part of a new generation of people to start with the new technology... So yeah, again the beginning did have some faults, as they probably want it to be 'dramatic' that Renka can suddenly morph the God Arc into gun mode during a dire situation. That in itself is an overused cliche, and it is a shame they had to use it that way. Not like we could've come up with anything better (most of us anyway, excluding the self proclaim 'I know better' folks). Of course, I could also be remembering the game events wrong, hopefully I didn't... |
Jul 13, 2015 10:41 PM
#453
Awful : animation story , interactions, and motivation presentation fx the fx is not actually awful, but overused. The shallow dof, the slow mo are the worst offender. |
Jul 13, 2015 10:50 PM
#454
Genkii said: lol, I'm actually curious on how many times the word Generic and Meh were used within the whole thread. With quotes it's: Generic - 154 Meh - 38 Wait. With my post is 156 and 40. I don't have enought patient to exclude quotes words. (And probably i should, because word "Generic" appeared 43 times on both 3 page and 9 page). PS: 157 |
Jul 13, 2015 11:00 PM
#455
Woooo. I just rewatched this show in high quality and it was aesthetically awesome.... Art is actually very refreshing to watch... At first, I only see many particles while watching low quality This anime is not meant for plebs, thats for sure. Get a good PC with better monitor resolution and good anime source ppl! xDDD |
Jul 13, 2015 11:09 PM
#456
Not particularly impressive, but they can't all be winners. I like that they're trying to do something different visually, even if I'm not yet 100% convinced that it works. On the other hand, I love how everybody just bashes on it hardcore. Do you want all your anime to look exactly the same forever? Because that's how you get all your anime to look exactly the same. Forever. |
Jul 13, 2015 11:44 PM
#457
Personally I can stand the art direction And fx. Not to my liking but I can accept it. . But the other stuff just too awful. |
Jul 14, 2015 12:30 AM
#458
Takuan_Soho said: Would "boring" be better? "flat", "predictable", "stereotypical", "hackneyed" explain better? The MC of this series offered nothing appealing, nothing original. He "struggled to find the sword" (seriously, had it been a hammer, at least it would have been different), was "tested by the caretaker", was "found lacking" and went through "initiation and training", he had his "weakness" exposed (though it is not a true weakness, he just cares too much and is not cynical and we know his idealism will soon affect others), he had the "call to action", in which he is initially "saved by the hardened veterans", but then "powers up without reason" when his core naive beliefs are challenged, resulting in his saving those hardened veterans. The only unique thing about this show is that they accomplished all those cliches in a single episode. Most shows would have the grace to spead them out over two if only to give a tad more character development. As I said, I am willing to give this show a couple of episodes to establish itself, but lets not fool ourselves. The first episode was crap. You named no cliche's those are called basics of/in writing. I could place any series in existence into little quotation nutshells like you just did. Do you know why? That's because little quotation nutshells like those are essentially, the building blocks of writing. Don't fool yourself, this is nothing more than you stating you personally didn't like something, and trying to twist it into something it isn't. Opinions are not facts, personal preference doesn't dictate what's crap or isn't. Your argument is essentially "I don't like it therefore it's crap" which come on, that's not even an argument to begin with. It's all fine not liking and episode, series, or a character, but running around saying "this is crap" and trying to back it up with all the buzzwords you used isn't going to cut it. "boring," "flat", "predictable", "stereotypical", "hackneyed" all words with little value and vague meaning. Hence the term "buzzword" It sounds good, but means nothing. I'll also add that "predictable" is nothing more than hindsight bias Riveon said: Genkii said: lol, I'm actually curious on how many times the word Generic and Meh were used within the whole thread. With quotes it's: Generic - 154 Meh - 38 Wait. With my post is 156 and 40. I don't have enought patient to exclude quotes words. (And probably i should, because word "Generic" appeared 43 times on both 3 page and 9 page). PS: 157 Lol you actually counted? I gotta admit that's pretty awesome. |
KamiCityJul 14, 2015 12:45 AM
Jul 14, 2015 1:39 AM
#459
KamiCity said: Takuan_Soho said: Would "boring" be better? "flat", "predictable", "stereotypical", "hackneyed" explain better? The MC of this series offered nothing appealing, nothing original. He "struggled to find the sword" (seriously, had it been a hammer, at least it would have been different), was "tested by the caretaker", was "found lacking" and went through "initiation and training", he had his "weakness" exposed (though it is not a true weakness, he just cares too much and is not cynical and we know his idealism will soon affect others), he had the "call to action", in which he is initially "saved by the hardened veterans", but then "powers up without reason" when his core naive beliefs are challenged, resulting in his saving those hardened veterans. The only unique thing about this show is that they accomplished all those cliches in a single episode. Most shows would have the grace to spead them out over two if only to give a tad more character development. As I said, I am willing to give this show a couple of episodes to establish itself, but lets not fool ourselves. The first episode was crap. You named no cliche's those are called basics of/in writing. I could place any series in existence into little quotation nutshells like you just did. Do you know why? That's because little quotation nutshells like those are essentially, the building blocks of writing. Don't fool yourself, this is nothing more than you stating you personally didn't like something, and trying to twist it into something it isn't. Opinions are not facts, personal preference doesn't dictate what's crap or isn't. Your argument is essentially "I don't like it therefore it's crap" which come on, that's not even an argument to begin with. It's all fine not liking and episode, series, or a character, but running around saying "this is crap" and trying to back it up with all the buzzwords you used isn't going to cut it. "boring," "flat", "predictable", "stereotypical", "hackneyed" all words with little value and vague meaning. Hence the term "buzzword" It sounds good, but means nothing. I'll also add that "predictable" is nothing more than hindsight bias Riveon said: Genkii said: lol, I'm actually curious on how many times the word Generic and Meh were used within the whole thread. With quotes it's: Generic - 154 Meh - 38 Wait. With my post is 156 and 40. I don't have enought patient to exclude quotes words. (And probably i should, because word "Generic" appeared 43 times on both 3 page and 9 page). PS: 157 Lol you actually counted? I gotta admit that's pretty awesome. ... TheCommunity today is full of snobs who think they know whats good and whats not....im done with this peoples. They dont even understand that it depends on your own taste if sth is good or not....They just thinkt that their opinion is fact. That s so stupid.... To many snabs out there thesedays. Just let them talk and let them think they are right to make them happy xDDDDDDDDDDD |
Jul 14, 2015 2:19 AM
#460
hmm average first episode with kinda boring mc(hope this anime will prove me wrong). not good but it's not bad. nothing special. the other characters entrance is cool but the fight scenes are just average. too much unnecessary slowmo. let's see next week if this show will improve. |
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Jul 14, 2015 4:52 AM
#461
Sheeees, the art is a turn off. |
Jul 14, 2015 5:01 AM
#462
Stop Flame Baiting those one liners "MC is generic" "Art is boring" "Plot not interesting" Just ignore those people who doesnt appreciate what they watched they only know KyoAni art style God Eater Prologue why the 1st Squad isnt there guarding the base https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NemX5bxF-ik ^ of course made of "ufotable" deal with it |
Jul 14, 2015 5:19 AM
#463
The MC gave me brief Kirito vibes. I cringed. Then he just got bland, instead of Gary Stu-like. He could've had a deeper, visceral reaction to certain things, just to get his development going. He seems to have some PTSD symptoms. Wish it was played up. I hope he's not going to be an everyman character. I want some energy from the guy. This kind of show could benefit from it. Pretty uninspired so far. I like that the animation's original. Slow motion reminded me of that train fight scene in Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Slayer. I also like the character design and uniforms, for some reason. Hope they utilize this guy's past for more than just heroic motivation, but to actually give him some depth. Heroic doesn't make me relate to him, doesn't make him likable, and doesn't give him any more depth than any other character. If they just use it as a reason for him to be a hero, well, that's a damn shame. Smoking in the rain, though? While fighting? Pretty fuckin' badass. I'm not really interested in seeing where this goes. Failed to leave an impression on me. I imagine playing this would be a more rewarding experience, integration- and combat-wise. I think this might be the anime's problem so far. It treats itself as something to experience, much like a game, but can't bridge the gap between watching and experiencing in the same way as a game (but still tries to go about it the same way). That's just my theory. [b]Dropped. |
2SugoiToActSugoiJul 14, 2015 5:41 AM
moving on. |
Jul 14, 2015 5:53 AM
#464
I'm not sure how to react. It's definitely not what I expected, with all the CG being thrown around, but it's the best CG I've seen in a while(in anime). The story.. just seems like a simple Shingeki no Kyojin style story, with the main character being all "I WILL KILL ALL *insert name of evil thing here*". I am not calling this an AoT rip-off. Probably gonna be a bit of a mindless action show, unless the story gets a boost in the next couple episodes. |
LPGeneratorxJul 14, 2015 5:59 AM
Jul 14, 2015 6:15 AM
#465
julyachan said: Shingeky no Kyojin + Owari no Seraph + World Trigger = God Eater. Also... Generic MC. I liked the art style (ITS NOT ALL CG), and the ost... but the story is not that impressive, at least in this 1st episode. But Ill give a try. Except the God Eater game came out early 2010 while the AoT manga started late 2009. Which means God Eater was already in production before AoT even started. God dammit, it annoys me to no end when people call something a rip-off without having a clue what they are talking about. ------- I really like the art styles. The shaded look of the 2D characters meshes really well with the CG aragamis. Animation was great. And the direction was amazing, the use of slow-mos, timelapses and camera made it really interesting to watch. |
Jul 14, 2015 7:06 AM
#466
Kefkiroth said: Would've been nice if they used Over the Clouds for the OP. Agreed. I was expecting them to do an anime remix version of Over the Clouds like what was done with Burst. I like oldcodex but the song they used felt too bland for me. >_> |
Jul 14, 2015 7:45 AM
#468
Honestly, I thought that the double-shading was easily the best thing about this. CG on those "aragami" things were terrible, but the shading on the characters were pretty cool. Gave them this "extra dimension" feel. |
Jul 14, 2015 7:49 AM
#469
Considering that all they've shown was action for the entire episode, and haven't even gotten started with the story or most of the world-building, I would say that it wasn't half bad. The art reminds me of a darker shade of the DMC reboot, meshed with the animation for characters and settings from the Tales of series. It's unconventional for anime, but not unacceptable. I rather like it. Not a bad start. |
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Jul 14, 2015 8:23 AM
#470
Nothing that really stood out here, the CG was distracting to me |
Jul 14, 2015 8:29 AM
#471
Suitedup said: Nothing that really stood out here, the CG was distracting to me Hmm okay xD. IMO CG totally fits thegodeater style. Its a pc-game/anime crossover-style. I love the Art and Animation but i dont have a Problemif others dont like it. The style feels sooooo fresh |
Jul 14, 2015 10:28 AM
#472
KamiCity said: You named no cliche's those are called basics of/in writing. I could place any series in existence into little quotation nutshells like you just did. I said several times that what made it cliched wasn't that it had those items, but rather that it had nothing original outside of those items. That is what makes a work cliched. Two plots can be exactly the same as to what motifs they follow, but one is a fascinating story because the writer did something (added humor, interesting character whatever), and the other one is cliched. The first show was both cliched and generic. Both terms mean different things, but where they have commonality is exactly on the point of distinction (i.e. originality). The distinction is what changes a "class" into an individual; the lack of originality is what suggests that there is no original thought. ^^Genkii, you are correct this is the adapter's fault, not the game (or source material). It is the adapter's job to turn a work into something interesting to watch. SAO's books were very good, but the adaption of the first 25 episodes was pretty bad (it had some good points and was enjoyable to an extent, but overall it was not good). That was the fault of the adaption, not the books (even if you can find the same faults in the books, the adaption should still improve upon the faults). KamiCity said: Don't fool yourself, this is nothing more than you stating you personally didn't like something, and trying to twist it into something it isn't. And your interpretation of what I am doing is different from you how? Talking about "fooling" oneself. While all opinions are relative, I have noticed that you haven't argued against my points. You haven't said why this first episode isn't generic and cliched. I explained why I think it is, your "all shows do it" isn't a defense. What in the first episode of God Eater is the hook? What is that one thing that should encourage people to watch the second? What in this episode makes us think that this show wouldn't be just another bug hunt show like AoT or MevLev. (Hell, even the "master" of the place has silver hair, Chrome Shell Regios all over again). I am not saying this show is a copy, but what in the first episode would make a first time viewer think that this is something different and worth watching? |
Takuan_SohoJul 14, 2015 10:35 AM
Jul 14, 2015 10:51 AM
#473
I expect more from the mc. It seems he just driven by hatred to kill aragami and guilt from not able to save people. Character-wise, the ufotable manage to depict the badassery of other characters(lindow,soma and sakuya) especially lindow since he able to kill powerful aragami(dont wanna spoil,btw not vajra) alone based on the game. They seem to highlight mc's special capabilities more than the game to make him special. Soundtrack?there are a little to none soundtrack in the episode. Since I judge anime ost strongly other than storyline, i give this 4/5. |
Jul 14, 2015 11:27 AM
#474
Takuan_Soho said: I said several times that what made it cliched wasn't that it had those items, but rather that it had nothing original outside of those items. That is what makes a work cliched. Two plots can be exactly the same as to what motifs they follow, but one is a fascinating story because the writer did something (added humor, interesting character whatever), and the other one is cliched. ??? Define interesting character, good humor, ect, without using "in my opinion" before it. There is your flaw, what you claim to be a fascinating story can very well be the most boring thing in the world to someone else. Therefore, your argument has failed from the very beginning. Like I said, you've failed to defend your argument with anything else than buzzwords. The first show was both cliched and generic. Both terms mean different things, but where they have commonality is exactly on the point of distinction (i.e. originality). The distinction is what changes a "class" into an individual; the lack of originality is what suggests that there is no original thought. So originality.... that's it? That word is based on preference and perception, all original means is something YOU personally haven't seen before. Given time you'll realize nothing is original. And your interpretation of what I am doing is different from you how? Talking about "fooling" oneself. That i'm not using buzzwords to defend my claims, I haven't even given my personal opinion on the show, since I know opinions aren't facts and i'm establishing facts.The facts are simple, your own personal preference doesn't dictate what's good or not and buzzwords are both meaningless and vague. While you're trying to say "this was crap" or "this isn't original" all i'm saying, yea those words are vague and you can't really prove any of them. Therefore your argument is kind of pointless. While all opinions are relative, I have noticed that you haven't argued against my points. You haven't said why this first episode isn't generic and cliched. I explained why I think it is, your "all shows do it" isn't a defense. What in the first episode of God Eater is the hook? What is that one thing that should encourage people to watch the second? What in this episode makes us think that this show wouldn't be just another bug hunt show like AoT or MevLev. (Hell, even the "master" of the place has silver hair, Chrome Shell Regios all over again). I am not saying this show is a copy, but what in the first episode would make a first time viewer think that this is something different and worth watching? For starters you never showed why you think it is, you just reused "generic" and "cliche" over and over and tried to back it up with the word "original." Without properly showing what originality looks like. Now your added a new component to your argument by essentially stating "i've seen other things like this, look at all these shows i've watched" Let me ask you something, if someone who doesn't watch a lot of anime or hasn't watched those that you mentioned, would your argument still hold? If no, which let's be honest it's no, then it isn't a cliche. You know tragic lovers like romeo and Juliet are a cliche, not because everyone has read it, but because it doesn't matter if you've read it or not the vast majority of the population knows of the story. It's pretty universal, now can you say the same about any of the series you've mentioned? Even within the anime community, i'm pretty sure there are plenty who haven't seen those shows... maybe AoT since it gained massive popularity but the rest I doubt it. I've personally never watched Chrome Shell Regios (who's this "master" you speak of, and are you implying that silver hair makes it a cliche? What about black hair pretty sure there are many masters in anime with black hair.), barely any of AoT, and know nothing MuvLuv other than people stating AoT was influenced by it.... so how exactly is it cliched? What in the first episodes would make a first time viewer think that this is something worth watching? Well if they're into post apocalyptic settings with monsters and survival there's one. Hmm a pretty wide cast, especially the 3/4 that came in the end that seem important. So the main character wants to kill them all....Why? This isn't AoT, we didn't see them eat his mother. What about the rest of the cast? What are their motivations? What's with the guy who's running things behind the scenes? The weaponry and whatever the story of the Godarc might be. What is a newtype? The art style, the animation, the soundtrack. Do you see the issue with the word generic and cliche? Can you see the issue with your entire argument? You have no defense besides the word originality, I on the other hand have a pretty big number of things to refute it. Anyway I'm bored and I got class in a bit, lets just agree to disagree or something. I personally don't think words like generic and cliche hold any value, and you seem to think they do... so we'll leave it at that. |
KamiCityJul 14, 2015 11:58 AM
Jul 14, 2015 12:34 PM
#475
KamiCity said: So originality.... that's it? That word is based on preference and perception, all original means is something YOU personally haven't seen before. Given time you'll realize nothing is original. You seem to like trying to play semantic games. Please stop, it doesn't make it you sound intelligent. Quite the opposite. There are plenty of "original" shows out there: Overlord is original because it is about 1 remaining human in a RPG trying to figure out how to deal with what had been the NPCs of the world. While the "trapped in a RPG" is not original, that setting is original. Ranpo Kitan is original. While there have been "trap" characters before, there has never been one like Kobayashi. Rokka no Yusha had an interesting world setting, Naruto was original, One Piece is original: while there have been ninja and pirate shows before, and earnest young heroes called to action before, the context of the world view and the individual is unique. This show, so far, not so much. The hero is not original because we know nothing about him (outside of his wanting to save everyone - a cliched motivation, and one given this world is idiotic to possess (so many monsters, so little personal power, he should have been dead 10 times over, it makes one wonder how he survived out in the open)). In AoT we learned about Eren, his friends, and what he had to fight so specifically. It also set up the world view better. In Chrome Regios, we learned that the lead character is OP, but for some reason is hiding it, as well as several other characters all by the first episode. Here nothing: Knowing leader, hard teacher, hardened veterans (including smoking jigen and tsundere woman), naive hero, sympathetic friend, mysterious woman. When two words says everything there is to say about each of the characters in a show, you know it isn't original. The problem with this episode is that they wasted time. The training ended up being worthless. He made the same mistake after training as before. We saw no connection between his training and his powering up, if they would have spent that time on having us meet the other characters or having some world building, then some sort of nexus of originality could have arisen. KamiCity said: Well if they're into post apocalyptic monsters and survival stories theres one In short, they like the genre. Doesn't argue against this show being generic. KamiCity said: Or not, we saw the MC go OP on them. Wide cast? We know nothing about any of them. And that you had to want until the end to introduce 3/4 of them, doesn't that say something to you?Hmm a pretty wide cast, especially the 3/4 that came in the end that seem important. KamiCity said: Because he wants to save them all from being eaten. So the main character wants to kill them all....Why? KamiCity said: This isn't AoT, we didn't see them eat his mother. What about the rest of the cast? What are their motivations? Yes, AOT did a better job at making Eren interesting (though I thought that ended after the 3rd episode). As for the other's motivations: Not to be eaten? All of your "points" actually show how bad this episode was. You have to hope that something will make it interesting because nothing in the episode was interesting. They could have shown us why the MC had some other motivation, they could have shown us why the training was important, they could have shown us lots of things, but they didn't. That doesn't make the show more intriguing, it makes it more bland, more generic and more cliched. |
Jul 14, 2015 12:42 PM
#476
Generic has genre in it. This show is typical of the post apo genre. Thus it is generic. Being generic isn't a bad thing, it just means it's like other stuff. Honestly I don't care about the setting and characters, the visuals are what I (and anyone else who wants to get the most out of this show) care about. |
Jul 14, 2015 12:53 PM
#477
The artstyle and animation looked good. Besides that, the premise of this is pretty basic (just like the game). If it weren’t for the production values, I wouldn’t even bother with this to be honest. I’m basically just here for the visuals, nothing else. We got to see our MC as one that will avenge humanity from this human induced calamity. He has extraordinary-hidden abilities and he struggles to follow orders. I’m pretty indifferent by these types of characters, but they seem to work for these types of scenarios (or maybe they’re just being overused, I don’t know). His introduction to the story was rather crude and uninteresting though. Again, I’ll keep watching this, but mainly because of the visuals and some of the fights. I honestly didn’t like the flow of the overall episode or the characters so far. Well, Alisa looks cool, at least design wise. black1blade said: Generic has genre in it. This show is typical of the post apo genre. Thus it is generic. Being generic isn't a bad thing, it just means it's like other stuff. Honestly I don't care about the setting and characters, the visuals are what I (and anyone else who wants to get the most out of this show) care about. +1 |
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Jul 14, 2015 12:56 PM
#478
Jul 14, 2015 1:51 PM
#479
I don't mind CG like most MAL'ers do so I won't complain about that. Did get the feeling I'd seen this story many times before though. I'll give it a couple of episodes to see how it develops storywise. |
"Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Jul 14, 2015 2:22 PM
#480
I've played the games, but it's too early to really say how closely this adaptation is going to follow the story portrayed in the games. So far it's fine, but it could branch off in future episodes. So far the pacing feels really weird for some reason, but I can't quite put my finger on why. I'm not one to complain about the use of CG though. It doesn't bother me or stick out as much after having watched Sidonia no Kishi. It's not perfect, but so far I've found it to be enjoyable enough. I'll be following this for a while to see where it goes, but it's really not very high on my list of priorities right now haha. |
Jul 14, 2015 3:05 PM
#481
KamiCity said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Frankly I think people put those shows on a pedestal way too much as well which makes trying to make that comparison even kind of annoying because I know if I say something like people go into a show like this expecting something like Fate they'll think I mean some sort of incomparable masterpiece when really all I'm saying is it doesn't have layers upon layers of exposition and droning dialogues/repetition and is more of an action piece. Frankly Fate UBW isn't exactly all that when it comes to storytelling either if I'm being quite honest. Hey look you're back posting the same generic post you post in every series about how everything aniplex touches is put up on a pedestal and about how only what you think is good "old gundam shows" are the only things that are good story telling. Hey look I'm back to being an individual with his own set of opinions on things born out of research and personal experience who frequently has his points misconstrued and misrepresented by opportunistic MALers. What a fucking shocker. Seriously am I supposed to feel bad or something here. If you can't even get my points right or maybe just disagree if you don't like them that's more your problem than mine. Where are your buddies that usually show up anyway? |
Jul 14, 2015 3:18 PM
#482
Kaioshin_Sama said: KamiCity said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Frankly I think people put those shows on a pedestal way too much as well which makes trying to make that comparison even kind of annoying because I know if I say something like people go into a show like this expecting something like Fate they'll think I mean some sort of incomparable masterpiece when really all I'm saying is it doesn't have layers upon layers of exposition and droning dialogues/repetition and is more of an action piece. Frankly Fate UBW isn't exactly all that when it comes to storytelling either if I'm being quite honest. Hey look you're back posting the same generic post you post in every series about how everything aniplex touches is put up on a pedestal and about how only what you think is good "old gundam shows" are the only things that are good story telling. Hey look I'm back to being an individual with his own set of opinions on things born out of research and personal experience who frequently has his points misconstrued and misrepresented by opportunistic MALers. What a fucking shocker. Seriously am I supposed to feel bad or something here. If you can't even get my points right or maybe just disagree if you don't like them that's more your problem than mine. Where are your buddies that usually show up anyway? If you're referring to the priests, they are most definitely not what a normal person would call his "buddies". If you're referring to me, I don't have a good example of your hypocrisy with which to chime in here. |
Jul 14, 2015 4:31 PM
#483
Takuan_Soho said: You do understand what semantics is right? You know a branch of linguistics, associated with meaning.... as in the study of the meaning of words. Saying I like to play semantics games, is essentially saying I like to understand the meaning of words.You seem to like trying to play semantic games. Please stop, it doesn't make it you sound intelligent. Quite the opposite. Also sidenote, telling someone it "doesn't make you sound intelligent" is a self defense mechanism used when you begin to lose an argument. It's close to being an ad hominem, since it's a subtle attempt to attack a persons intelligence instead of formulating an argument. There are plenty of "original" shows out there: Overlord is original because it is about 1 remaining human in a RPG trying to figure out how to deal with what had been the NPCs of the world. While the "trapped in a RPG" is not original, that setting is original. Ranpo Kitan is original. While there have been "trap" characters before, there has never been one like Kobayashi. Rokka no Yusha had an interesting world setting, Naruto was original, One Piece is original: while there have been ninja and pirate shows before, and earnest young heroes called to action before, the context of the world view and the individual is unique. You once again made a list, said they were original and you weren't able to prove how they were original. Naruto isn't original, lets not forget that Hunter x Hunter came out before Naruto and had both the whole hunter/chunin exam AND the red eyed solitary protagonist bent on revenge against the people who murdered his entire clan. I can draw so many connections between One Piece and Dragon Ball One remaining human is not an original setting Rokka No Yusha is pretty much a demon will rise and the prophesized hero's will be selected to defeat it. The setting isn't all that original, a continent with multiple cultures, one of them resembling Aztec culture, nothing that hasn't been done before. Don't get me wrong, all these series are great..... but they are far from original. Like I said I can put all the tropes in a nutshell to all of them, just like you did. This show, so far, not so much. The hero is not original because we know nothing about him (outside of his wanting to save everyone - a cliched motivation, and one given this world is idiotic to possess (so many monsters, so little personal power, he should have been dead 10 times over, it makes one wonder how he survived out in the open)). In AoT we learned about Eren, his friends, and what he had to fight so specifically. It also set up the world view better. In Chrome Regios, we learned that the lead character is OP, but for some reason is hiding it, as well as several other characters all by the first episode. Umm did you pay attention to what they were saying about the MC? Pretty sure there was a reason they didn't want to let him out yet... you know the whole newtype thing and how people that were brought in from the outside had better skills due to their ability to survive. Here nothing: Knowing leader, hard teacher, hardened veterans (including smoking jigen and tsundere woman), naive hero, sympathetic friend, mysterious woman. When two words says everything there is to say about each of the characters in a show, you know it isn't original. One of the very first lines in the episode were, "imagine that someone from the outside is compatible with a new-type, we are one step closer to god" and then on the very same screen you see "research of the oracle cell" Plus the fact that he's a new-type is mentioned multiple times in the episodeThe problem with this episode is that they wasted time. The training ended up being worthless. He made the same mistake after training as before. We saw no connection between his training and his powering up, if they would have spent that time on having us meet the other characters or having some world building, then some sort of nexus of originality could have arisen. Gee I wonder where that "powerup" came from... especially when the last lines of the episode were "a new-type" Also again "putting things in a nutshell" and trying to produce an argument through it isn't going to work, it just shows your lack of attention. In short, they like the genre. Doesn't argue against this show being generic. You asked how does episode 1 attract the vieweres, thats simply one answer to it. I answered your question, yet you couldn't answer mine. Or not, we saw the MC go OP on them. Wide cast? We know nothing about any of them. And that you had to want until the end to introduce 3/4 of them, doesn't that say something to you? Umm the MC killed 1 monster while the unit wrecked an entire swarm, how exactly is that "we saw the MC go OP on them" Oh the MC did something impressive, but the rest of the unit did most of the work anyway. What exactly should having to wait until the end of episode 1 to see them tell me? That they're important? That the show doesn't spoonfeed you everything in the first episode? What exactly? Oh and for the record there is a 12 minute prologue which introduces all of unit 1 anyway, although it was a prologue for the original game but was rereleased for the show. Because he wants to save them all from being eaten. When was this even implied? You could have said "he has a personal vendetta against them" and it would have been more believable. All of your "points" actually show how bad this episode was. You have to hope that something will make it interesting because nothing in the episode was interesting. They could have shown us why the MC had some other motivation, they could have shown us why the training was important, they could have shown us lots of things, but they didn't. That doesn't make the show more intriguing, it makes it more bland, more generic and more cliched. So "they didn't spoonfeed me everything in episode one, this show is bland, generic, and cliched" is your final word? You want to know why your entire argument is weak? That is because you have done nothing more than reuse the words generic and cliched, over and over and over again, yet you have failed to show once any proof of it. Calling a show generic and cliche won't make it generic and cliche, because you say so isn't a good argument. Listing things isn't showing how they're original. This and the fact that you ignored half the other post proves you don't have an argument, do us both a favor and just end it.... like I said we'll just agree to disagree, we don't need to keep this conversation going anymore. |
KamiCityJul 14, 2015 4:46 PM
Jul 14, 2015 4:34 PM
#484
A lot of promise, I'd say. Takuan_Soho said: This show, so far, not so much. The hero is not original because we know nothing about him (outside of his wanting to save everyone - a cliched motivation, and one given this world is idiotic to possess (so many monsters, so little personal power, he should have been dead 10 times over, it makes one wonder how he survived out in the open). I still have no idea. little knowledge, having only seen the 1st episode of the series. Its motivation to save but I would assume, they'd get to it later on. One thing I learn from watching/reading manga/books/anime is that no matter how cliched the story is, good writers always finds a way. |
Jul 14, 2015 4:55 PM
#485
animeBee1ver said: A lot of promise, I'd say I wouldn't say promise. But I certainly agree that it was only a first episode and things could improve. I said that the first couple of posts I made on this thread. That said, based solely on the first episode, as someone who hasn't ever read/played the original source (I try not to before watching), this was not a good episode. Most shows in this genre start better (AOT, ML, Serph, World Trigger, Gate, Sidonia, Suisei) than this, and have a good deal more originality, creativity, characterization, and hooks in the first episode. However several of those shows crashed soon after liftoff, so it isn't as if a good or even great show needs to come out of the gates roaring (Overlord being a potential example, though who knows), time will tell. But since we are on the first episode, I am giving my opinions on the first episode. Had I intended to drop after one I wouldn't have even bothered to have written. Lets see if the second is an improvement. animeBee1ver said: One thing I learn from watching/reading manga/books/anime is that no matter how cliched the story is, good writers always finds a way. Absolutely, but good writers generally slip something into the first episode, some joke, or weird/intriguing scene, an interesting character, a visually stunning scene, something that gives the promise that a good story is coming. This episode had nothing (the art as I said was good, but there wasn't a great "scene" there - nothing on par with the 30 meter titan looking over the wall). That I find puzzling. |
Takuan_SohoJul 14, 2015 4:59 PM
Jul 14, 2015 7:09 PM
#486
KamiCity said: This and the fact that you ignored half the other post proves you don't have an argument, No, it shows I have empathy with others who are confronted with a wall of text. KamiCity said: do us both a favor and just end it.... like I said we'll just agree to disagree, we don't need to keep this conversation going anymore. LOL, you know that doctor should probably take his own advice first. I still am waiting for you to show what makes this show interesting instead of generic. Should I be interested in "new types", when new type means the ability to convert a sword into a gun. Really? That is one step closer to achieving the "god head"? Eva did it first and infinitely better. That is mighty small imagination if possessing a slightly better weapon is what brings you closer to the infinite. Who in this series is the equivalent of Misato? Or Rei? At least Shinji had his issues with his father. Or for a more recent example, do you think the weapon transformation sequence in the first episode was better than Nobunagun? Was it cooler than having wire devices to be able to match a Titan? Did it bring in class transgressions like Sidonia? AoT made it clear from the start that the enemy had some intelligence (where as before there were brainless Titans, all of a sudden there was the perfect Titan to defeat the wall). Here we have an unexplained massive breaching of the citadel's walls by brainless and boring GENERIC monsters that is only stemmed because, by seeming coincidence, the MC has the ability to convert a sword into a gun. But ultimately in your pathetic little way, you are right: I am not here to say how crappy, generic, derivative, and cliched this story is. The episode is what it is. If you want to pretend this was the "Refuge being attacked by Monster" equivalent of War and Peace, who am I to say you are wrong? If you want to believe this episode was compelling, you are welcomed to your delusion. It doesn't change reality, but you are certainly "entitled" to believe it. I am not here to knock the fans of the game. I hope earnestly for their sake, that this animation will prove to be worthy of their love for the game. Nothing would make me happier than that, I want there to be a decent episode so they can say "wow that was good". But my apologies. No amount of relativism will make me think that the first episode was gold, it was dross. |
Jul 14, 2015 7:44 PM
#487
Takuan_Soho said: LOL, you know that doctor should probably take his own advice first. I still am waiting for you to show what makes this show interesting instead of generic. Should I be interested in "new types", when new type means the ability to convert a sword into a gun. Really? That is one step closer to achieving the "god head"? Eva did it first and infinitely better. That is mighty small imagination if possessing a slightly better weapon is what brings you closer to the infinite. Who in this series is the equivalent of Misato? Or Rei? At least Shinji had his issues with his father. Or for a more recent example, do you think the weapon transformation sequence in the first episode was better than Nobunagun? Was it cooler than having wire devices to be able to match a Titan? Did it bring in class transgressions like Sidonia? wait... are people trying to compare this to the greatness that is Evangelion? lol |
I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
Jul 14, 2015 7:46 PM
#488
@Takuan: ^They just say that, there is no god-like being in GE (might be in GE2). As for New-Types, yes it's the ability to change Sword into Gun and vice versa and devour Aragami for power (in the game, it puts you into a mode that enhances damage, speed etc and able to fire special bullets based on devoured Aragami) as well as a special thing I can't mention yet. How all that'll happen in the anime, we have no way of knowing yet. First episode wasn't great but it was pretty good. I don't expect a show to be original and I can't fault it for it, I enjoy it, I watch it, I only drop if main cast has terrible characters etc (I dropped World Break cause of Satsuki and Punchline for main cast in general etc). I generally watch at least 5 eps as well. Think "first episode" droppers are stupid as you don't know what may change. @Trash: I see no similarities save for Blonde dude (forgot name) with Dr. Hikari (sp?) |
Jul 14, 2015 8:55 PM
#490
I just can't wait to see Alisa's glorious oppai in 60fps/200hz with slow-mo. *kiss tv* |
GenkiiJul 14, 2015 9:14 PM
Jul 14, 2015 9:58 PM
#491
Usually hate this kind of art but i don't seem to mind it this time. Doesn't seem particularly impressive after the first episode and seems quite generic (MC reminds me of a few other MCs we all know..). hopefully things get better throughout. |
Jul 14, 2015 10:55 PM
#492
Takuan_Soho said: No, it shows I have empathy with others who are confronted with a wall of text. Spoiler tags are a thing you know KamiCity said: LOL, you know that doctor should probably take his own advice first. I still am waiting for you to show what makes this show interesting instead of generic. I'm still waiting for what makes it generic? Oh right you can't answer so you'll flip the conversation and ignore the fact that you were proven wrong multiple times already Should I be interested in "new types", when new type means the ability to convert a sword into a gun. Really? That is one step closer to achieving the "god head"? Why not? Explain to me one reason why you shouldn't beside "lol opinions" c'mon I want some objectivity here. It's episode 1, they introduced something and they'll explain it later. Pretty simple concept to grasp don't you think.Eva did it first and infinitely better. That is mighty small imagination if possessing a slightly better weapon is what brings you closer to the infinite. Because episode 1 one of evangalion did Soooooo much right? Oh no, just showed a giant monster, a girl in a car driving with a whiny little kid, Rei in a bed pretty much for the same amount of time as the guy who was wheeled in early in this episode....oh and the classic "get in the robot shinji, but I don't wanna" but yea let's ignore all that and try to compare a giant series to episode 1. Nobunagun episode 1 wasn't that great... but opinions aren't facts so who cares.Who in this series is the equivalent of Misato? Or Rei? At least Shinji had his issues with his father. Or for a more recent example, do you think the weapon transformation sequence in the first episode was better than Nobunagun? Was it cooler than having wire devices to be able to match a Titan? Did it bring in class transgressions like Sidonia? Actually it was, the wire things were always lame in AoT, I mean being able to transform into a titan was a little better but spiderman like wires that let you float around in the air don't really scream out entertaining. There is also a pretty clear division between "a rare new-type" and a normal godeater, more potential to explore later. Even then my opinions on the AoT wires don't really matter, since they're opinions. AoT made it clear from the start that the enemy had some intelligence (where as before there were brainless Titans, all of a sudden there was the perfect Titan to defeat the wall). Here we have an unexplained massive breaching of the citadel's walls by brainless and boring GENERIC monsters that is only stemmed because, by seeming coincidence, the MC has the ability to convert a sword into a gun. Lol except you know these things could fly so breaching a wall isn't that our of reach, plus most of the titans are generic, they had 1 that was a little intelligent but thats about it.... at least in episode one. This swarm had multiple types of monsters but hey lets ignore all that right? But ultimately in your pathetic little way, you are right: I am not here to say how crappy, generic, derivative, and cliched this story is. The episode is what it is. If you want to pretend this was the "Refuge being attacked by Monster" equivalent of War and Peace, who am I to say you are wrong? If you want to believe this episode was compelling, you are welcomed to your delusion. It doesn't change reality, but you are certainly "entitled" to believe it. Funnily enough, my opinions on the show haven't even been expressed, so to run around attacking people for their opinions when you can't even under stand the context of the post, shows how far off you are. I mean when have I ever even said this show was good? I said it wasn't generic and you can't prove it's generic, but you are going so far off in your assumptions trying to make a point that you are resorting to insults just to stay relevant. It's simple, my opinions on the show are my opinions, as are yours. I don't pretend my opinions are facts, you however do and that's the issue. Now you dictate reality? Oh that's right you don't, no matter how much you pretend your opinions are the reality of things, they are nothing more than your opinion. Now anyone who disagrees with you is delusional? Oh that's right they aren't because your opinions are nothing more than your opinions. See that's the difference between objectivity and subjectivity. Facts are truth and reality, opinions are your own beliefs. All you are proving is the fact that you can't even follow through on your argument, and are resorting to trying to demean the opinions of those who differ from you, because you try to believe your opinions are better than those around you. I am not here to knock the fans of the game. I hope earnestly for their sake, that this animation will prove to be worthy of their love for the game. Nothing would make me happier than that, I want there to be a decent episode so they can say "wow that was good". But my apologies. No amount of relativism will make me think that the first episode was gold, it was dross. That's because your opinions matter about as much as a speck of sand does in the beach, or a rain drop in the ocean. No amount of "this is generic" will be able to change the fact that the term "generic" is nothing more than a word that sounds good and offers little to no context. It's a buzzword, which is why you can't defend your argument. Also, if you weren't trying to knock the fans of the game you would have said " well i personally didn't like this episode" and left it at that, but the fact that you are somehow trying to prove this show is generic says otherwise. Is the show great? Opinions Is the show bad? Opinions Is the show generic? There has been no objective evidence to prove this case Is the show not well received? Statistics say otherwise You are free to dislike the show, no one is taking that from you, but don't pretend that using buzzwords like those are an actual argument. They have no substance or value. I mean looking at the ratings of this episode alone disprove you, when over 80% of viewers liked it, loved it, or thought it was ok. How can you run around pretending that your opinion somehow contradicts the opinion of 80% of the viewers? Or are they just all delusional viewers who can't accept the reality of things? Hey though at least I could refrain from calling your views pathetic and calling those who disagree with me delusional. Nor did I have to resort to bashing your intelligence. Good day to you sir. |
KamiCityJul 14, 2015 11:50 PM
Jul 14, 2015 11:24 PM
#493
Keep calm and trust ufotable |
Jul 15, 2015 2:13 AM
#494
julyachan said: Shingeky no Kyojin + Owari no Seraph + World Trigger = God Eater.. Perfect! You got it right! I am not saying this in a bad way though~ I agree I am not a fan of CG but if the story is good then everything is worth it for me ♥ Though in my opinion, we should really stop comparing this to Owari and SnK since you can see the total difference within them. SnK MC- Al I remember from Eren is his wimpy crying each episode and had to deal with it for over 24 episodes. Titan- mindless giant, well some are not but still they are just creepy monsters who ate humans. Owari no Seraph MC- Well, Yu is kind of similar to Eren for the past 5-6 episodes but he undergoes great character development later on. Especially the last episode when he already change his goals from the very popular " I will kill all _______ " to " I will definitely save Mika ". Vampires- Well they are smart, strong, and TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCE than the humans. Compared to SnK. God Eater MC- As of now, he is like Eren (but since it is still 1st episode). Though, he is less annoying than Eren with no wimpy scream and crying. Aragami- Well I am still not sure if they are like titans or they are also kind of smart in some ways. Well, I will not deny that it reminds me of 4 horseman of john in Owari and the neighbors in World Trigger. But overall you can see the difference of the 3 so, stop comparing them and saying that it was a rip off of the said series. |
zilch16Jul 15, 2015 2:31 AM
It's not a matter of talent. It's a matter of will |
Jul 15, 2015 2:58 AM
#495
Very impressive first episode and good character designs. Well, they are missing that OP dark haired loli type, but that's ok. Anyways, what is up with the god damn walls? |
Jul 15, 2015 3:16 AM
#496
great episode, was expecting world trigger level of animation but this was impressive. 9/10 |
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Jul 15, 2015 3:45 AM
#497
anishjain1989 said: Keep calm and trust ufotable No thanks. They produced trash like F/SN so I'm good. |
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Jul 15, 2015 4:35 AM
#498
One more post about SnK rip-off and I'm gonna chop someone's dick off. ~_~ Episode 1's a build up. 90% of these shit happened before the game, and I think they're doing good with the introductions. Wait a few more episodes, maybe? Although I think the MC's quite generic as well, but generic =/= bad...? We will see character developments, too. and it wont even be an eren type. Probably. Maybe. Hopefully. But if they're going with the game, then they surely will. |
rinkaishaJul 15, 2015 4:45 AM
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Jul 15, 2015 9:12 AM
#499
YEEART said: anishjain1989 said: Keep calm and trust ufotable No thanks. They produced trash like F/SN so I'm good. >Kekkai Sensen >AOTS >10/10 top kek |
Jul 15, 2015 9:25 AM
#500
I debated a lot whether to watch this. On one hand Ufotable went into full trainwreck territory cannibalizing one of my favorite works for money last season, turning something that had every making of greatness into a cheap cashgrab handled by their z team. On other hand everything else they did was great. So when approaching God Eater the first thought was that watching it could lead to two outcomes: - Either God Eater will be just as bad which means UFO as studio is falling apart, which is not fun because of all the potential they had. OR - God Eater will be great, which will truly mean that they threw ufoubw under the bus to make some quick buck while giving the A team to what essentially is an adaptation of a monster hunter slash attack on titan copy game. Either outcome was frightening, so I put off watching this episode for a week. Because either way it would open old wounds and make me question what went through UFO's management heads in last year or so. Either way, the first episode was great and typical ufo quality(unlike their previous show last season...). Part of me is relieved that UFO is NOT falling apart, but other part of me is sad. I am sure I will enjoy this show from what I have seen from the first episode - the art style is badass, the opening is kickass, the characters seem good enough for what is essentially more of a mindless action focused thing, but at the same time there will always be a gnawing regret at the back of my mind of what could have been had ufoubw and god eater production teams were switched. God Eater looks great, far better than it deserved to look. But at what cost? 5/5 for episode. royaldocks said: >Kekkai Sensen >AOTS >10/10 I don't see anything wrong with that. It was the best show in an otherwise very dreadful season. It will most likely be one of the best shows of the year. Kekkai Sensen was one thing that negated the constant disappointment ufotable would provide on that day. |
AhenshihaelJul 15, 2015 9:33 AM
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