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Aug 7, 2014 8:18 AM
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Another Kirito perfect guy who can beat a strong enemy even when everybody around him dies helpless.
I dislike Inaho. I hope he dies.
Aug 7, 2014 8:24 AM

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wigglejelly said:
Another Kirito perfect guy who can beat a strong enemy even when everybody around him dies helpless.
I dislike Inaho. I hope he dies.


It would give the opportunity to focus on Slaine, one of the only interesting characters so far.
Aug 7, 2014 10:46 AM

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wigglejelly said:
Another Kirito perfect guy who can beat a strong enemy even when everybody around him dies helpless.
I dislike Inaho. I hope he dies.


there are good reasons why he can do that. But yeah, strengthening him weakens other characters.
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Aug 7, 2014 12:47 PM

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wigglejelly said:
Another Kirito perfect guy who can beat a strong enemy even when everybody around him dies helpless.
I dislike Inaho. I hope he dies.


Beta guys taking over, watch out alpha males.

I really don't understand why anyone would dislike Inaho, he has not done anything bad or wrong. He's protecting earth, his family and his friends using his head (how dare he, doesn't he realize that he needs to be stupid and retarded???). Meanwhile Slaine is being bitch slap every episode yet he is somehow "interesting".
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Aug 7, 2014 12:50 PM

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-khriz- said:
wigglejelly said:
Another Kirito perfect guy who can beat a strong enemy even when everybody around him dies helpless.
I dislike Inaho. I hope he dies.


Beta guys taking over, watch out alpha males.

I really don't understand why anyone would dislike Inaho, he has not done anything bad. He's protecting earth, his family and his friends. Meanwhile Slaine is being bitch slap every episode yet he is somehow "interesting".
Maybe some people think he is dull. Actually, so far, he's a really dull character, of course, a backstory would be nice to explain how he became so calm and expressionless, but there wasn't a single foreshadowing of it so far.
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Aug 7, 2014 2:12 PM

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Very interesting... The fights are done quite pleasantly, except for the fact that we see pretty much only Inaho fighting which is a bit unrealistic, but I don't mind it too much... And yes, I'd love to see some back-story of his to get more into this whole story. And Slaine's character is still intriguing, not as much as it could've been, though.
Summa summarum, I'd say that this episode alongside with the rest of the series so far is not so satisfactory as I may have expected... A 7/10 for now.
Aug 7, 2014 2:15 PM

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chickenonthepan said:
Ok, here is what happens:
- Saazbaum investigates the death of Trilliam and finds out Slaine is a traitor
- He comes to the emperor before Slaine and tells him that there is a spy who will tell the emperor that the princess is alive.
- Slaine comes and does EXACTLY like Saazbaum tells the emperor.
- The emperor trust Saazbaum more
So basically, Slaine falls into Saazbaum's trap. He is just outsmarted.


That still doesn't excuse the emperor. For this to happen he should be either weak-willed or already under the influence of Saazbaum. The emperor knows that the knights have started the war without his conscent - they are aseparated from the rest of his empire, so he can't know their situation fully, and also it's obvious that they have their own agenda. In this case for t he emperor to believe blindly to a knight is strange, especially since he understands that the Earth doesn't have motive to kill his granddaughter. Calling for armistice and then aborting it after a few hours is indignifying too.
Well, I think that he has been a pawn of Saazbaum for some time already, since Cruhteo can't convince him.
Aug 7, 2014 2:19 PM

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deadoptimist said:


That still doesn't excuse the emperor. For this to happen he should be either weak-willed .


who cares, the emperor already in his death bed.
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Aug 7, 2014 2:28 PM

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ninjastarforcex said:
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That still doesn't excuse the emperor. For this to happen he should be either weak-willed .


who cares, the emperor already in his death bed.


That would be a nice development, seriously, but that bed looked like a regular bed for sleeping to me. Maybe I've missed something, though.

Also I find it a bit atrange, when people say that Inaho is a good MC simply because he is good at what he does, unlike Slaine. A good MC is a character that is interesting to follow, not the one who is most sucessful. It's not a competition of skill, but a competition of being interesting.
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Wow, so many Slaine fanboys here. As much as you enjoy Slaine, there are other people enjoying Inaho as well.
The show would be more interesting if all the main chars get proper development. Throwing away 1 main char just for the sake of other is stupid.
It's just episode 5/24. Slaine is taking the lead but who knows what will happen in the future?
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I'm liking this anime so far. The opening theme is pretty freakin awesome as well.

Slaine is so screwed right now. He better defect and quick!
Aug 7, 2014 5:46 PM

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More Inaho BAness. Hope this won't go on forever.

Slaine-chan being (fairly easily, I'm afraid) outsmarted after giving out info he should've kept to himself. You're too naïve, dawg. Now you better defect before they come for your ass.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Aug 7, 2014 6:47 PM

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chickenonthepan said:
Wow, so many Slaine fanboys here. As much as you enjoy Slaine, there are other people enjoying Inaho as well.
The show would be more interesting if all the main chars get proper development. Throwing away 1 main char just for the sake of other is stupid.
It's just episode 5/24. Slaine is taking the lead but who knows what will happen in the future?


I actually agree with you. Slaine while I think has more room for development than Inaho does... they really have done anything with him yet. They fleshed him out a tad but that's about it. I did enjoy his inner struggle with finding out who to trust and sort of coming to terms with the people he knew as monsters, but honestly that is all that has happened with him too. He is more interesting than Inaho right now, but yes, I don't think he's done too much to warrant praise yet, I think it's just cause he's the one thing most people agree is one of the better parts of the show, if not the only good part. Of course, him having room for development and it being only 5 episodes... Obviously I am not gonna judge his character as harshly, at least he has appeal, and at least he has personality, which is what Inaho lacks.
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The Urobuchi written episodes were better ;-;
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The Urobuchi written episodes were better ;-;


Not really, they were just as bad honestly, at least to me anyway. I didn't like the first episode because it was just a bad "First Episode". (Way too much exposition, didn't set up characters, thought way too highly of itself right off the bat and had corny and cheesy "WAR IS BAD" messages that were just pretentious but tried to distract you from all that with *KABOOOOM*.)

The 2nd episode only infuriated me because it showed how emotionless Inaho was and nothing really happened otherwise.

The 3rd was arguably the best because they at least showed the process of figuring out how to beat the enemy, even though it still made no sense. The pacing was a tad awful too and it showed how little they care about death in the series. (Inaho saw his friend die, his reaction when finishing off the enemy? "This is for whatshisface..." he says in a monotone voice before forgetting his friend ever existed in the following episodes.)
Aug 7, 2014 7:00 PM

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Keten said:
FlareStar101 said:
The Urobuchi written episodes were better ;-;


Not really, they were just as bad honestly, at least to me anyway. I didn't like the first episode because it was just a bad "First Episode". (Way too much exposition, didn't set up characters, thought way too highly of itself right off the bat and had corny and cheesy "WAR IS BAD" messages that were just pretentious but tried to distract you from all that with *KABOOOOM*.)

The 2nd episode only infuriated me because it showed how emotionless Inaho was and nothing really happened otherwise.

The 3rd was arguably the best because they at least showed the process of figuring out how to beat the enemy, even though it still made no sense. The pacing was a tad awful too and it showed how little they care about death in the series. (Inaho saw his friend die, his reaction when finishing off the enemy? "This is for whatshisface..." he says in a monotone voice before forgetting his friend ever existed in the following episodes.)


So if everything is bad to you then why are you watching it? Make some sense.
Aug 7, 2014 7:08 PM

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ex_necross said:

So if everything is bad to you then why are you watching it? Make some sense.


I have told you several times already why I watch things even if I don't like them. I mean, you don't even TRY to address my points, you just say, "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WHY ARE YOU WATCHING IT!?".

I watch it because I hope it will get better. I watch it because I have nothing better to do. I watch it because everyone else is. I watch it because I don't like dropping things unless they are really horrendously bad.

There ya go. That is my reasoning. For the record, everything is not bad to me, I am just rather critical that's all. I give credit where I feel it calls for it and I give criticism where I feel it calls for it and discuss it with others. That is after all what this thread is about. "Aldnoah.Zero Episode 5 Discussion"
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Keten said:


Not really, they were just as bad honestly, at least to me anyway. I didn't like the first episode because it was just a bad "First Episode". (Way too much exposition, didn't set up characters, thought way too highly of itself right off the bat and had corny and cheesy "WAR IS BAD" messages that were just pretentious but tried to distract you from all that with *KABOOOOM*.)

The 2nd episode only infuriated me because it showed how emotionless Inaho was and nothing really happened otherwise.

The 3rd was arguably the best because they at least showed the process of figuring out how to beat the enemy, even though it still made no sense. The pacing was a tad awful too and it showed how little they care about death in the series. (Inaho saw his friend die, his reaction when finishing off the enemy? "This is for whatshisface..." he says in a monotone voice before forgetting his friend ever existed in the following episodes.)


So if everything is bad to you then why are you watching it? Make some sense.


I wrote a post in last week's thread responding to this often thrown-around remark, and figure that it's worth repeating again:

micbri said:
As for why a person might continue watching something they hate, there are really too many reasons possible to list, many of have already been brought up. Some of them include:
-Friends are watching this/social needs
-Too much time/just want to watch something
-Wants to be fair in critiquing and finish before giving a bad score
-Enjoys discussion, and needs to be current with the hated anime to contribute effectively

There are many things that can make a hated anime enjoyable in some way, making the whole “why don’t you just drop it hater since you clearly dislike it” mentality flawed as the haters who keep watching are enjoying the anime, just not necessarily in the way the fans do.


Really, ex_necross, you of all people should understand how questioning why a person watches a hated anime is silly. I mean, you finished No Game No Life last season despite clearly thinking it was utter garbage.

ex_necross said:
NGNL is like the Justin Bieber of anime. Terrible and utter garbage, yet super popular.


Heck, you even made a post decrying the tendency of others to reject criticism simply because it does not match their opinion.

ex_necross said:
This show is horrible. Already posted about it on a thread that got deleted because apparently only positive opinions and nuthugging is allowed on the forums. Reminds me of a certain political party during WWII.


In that very same post, you also mentioned how such behavior of only considering positive comments as valid "Reminds me of a certain political party during WWII". However, now that the roles are reversed, you find it fair to shoo away those with negative views.

I really find it amusing how you go from 'damn the fanboys, how can you not handle my just criticism' to 'damn the haters, how dare you criticize something I like. you must actually be secretly liking this show to criticize it so much' in the space of one season. If you are going to condemn a certain behavior, it is expected that you refrain from partaking in said behavior the moment it suits you.
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Keten said:
FlareStar101 said:
The Urobuchi written episodes were better ;-;


Not really, they were just as bad honestly, at least to me anyway. I didn't like the first episode because it was just a bad "First Episode". (Way too much exposition, didn't set up characters, thought way too highly of itself right off the bat and had corny and cheesy "WAR IS BAD" messages that were just pretentious but tried to distract you from all that with *KABOOOOM*.)

The 2nd episode only infuriated me because it showed how emotionless Inaho was and nothing really happened otherwise.

The 3rd was arguably the best because they at least showed the process of figuring out how to beat the enemy, even though it still made no sense. The pacing was a tad awful too and it showed how little they care about death in the series. (Inaho saw his friend die, his reaction when finishing off the enemy? "This is for whatshisface..." he says in a monotone voice before forgetting his friend ever existed in the following episodes.)


I actually thought the first episode was overall the best handled of the show with the 3rd being fairly decent as well, but then again the first episode mainly had to focus on just grabbing as many peoples attention as possible and showing as much carnage and destruction as possible as well, which it pretty much did, but I'm kind of amazed at how slowly things have progressed since then and how little we still kind of know about the cast and what really makes them tick. The third episode also mainly showcased what is looking like is going to become the major formula for the show in what I've come to call "Inaho Vs." but as the first episode to depict any sort of success against the Martians in recorded history is by default a notable episode.

Also only Slaine feels like he's had any significant fleshing out so far with possibly the Princess a very distant second. Inaho by comparison as a main character so far really only feels there for the cool factor so far and even then a debatable sort of cool.

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Maybe some people think he is dull. Actually, so far, he's a really dull character, of course, a backstory would be nice to explain how he became so calm and expressionless, but there wasn't a single foreshadowing of it so far.


Yeah really it's the dull character thing for me for sure. He doesn't seem like a horrible person (and god help Earth cause as things have played out so far he's literally it's only hope by a long shot) or anything though he does come across as potentially a mild sociopath and for a main character completely fails the Red Letter Media test which is basically a challenge to describe a character without just stating what they look like and their role in the show though with Inaho so far even that's a bit of a challenge since he really just has the basic average Japanese student character design.
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Kaioshin_Sama said:

I actually thought the first episode was overall the best handled of the show with the 3rd being fairly decent as well, but then again the first episode mainly had to focus on just grabbing as many peoples attention as possible and showing as much carnage and destruction as possible as well, which it pretty much did, but I'm kind of amazed at how slowly things have progressed since then and how little we still kind of know about the cast and what really makes them tick. The third episode also mainly showcased what is looking like is going to become the major formula for the show in what I've come to call "Inaho Vs." but as the first episode to depict any sort of success against the Martians in recorded history is by default a notable episode.

Also only Slaine feels like he's had any significant fleshing out so far with possibly the Princess a very distant second. Inaho by comparison as a main character so far really only feels there for the cool factor so far and even then a debatable sort of cool.


I suppose I give the first episode some credit for being able to grab peoples attention... at the end.. not really with the beginning stuff it was rather dull there in my opinion... but ya I see your point, at the very least it was different from the rest of the episodes so far. Still don't think it was a good first episode but hey, give credit where it's due.
Aug 7, 2014 9:57 PM

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chickenonthepan said:
Wow, so many Slaine fanboys here. As much as you enjoy Slaine, there are other people enjoying Inaho as well.
The show would be more interesting if all the main chars get proper development. Throwing away 1 main char just for the sake of other is stupid.
It's just episode 5/24. Slaine is taking the lead but who knows what will happen in the future?

Why fight for the two MC, I really enjoy the two of them.
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The emperor still makes no sense. I think they needed to show more of a reason why the emperor's suspicions suddenly disappear. I mean why call the truce in the first place? Just a bizarre bit of writing.
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Kaioshin_Sama said:
Keten said:


Not really, they were just as bad honestly, at least to me anyway. I didn't like the first episode because it was just a bad "First Episode". (Way too much exposition, didn't set up characters, thought way too highly of itself right off the bat and had corny and cheesy "WAR IS BAD" messages that were just pretentious but tried to distract you from all that with *KABOOOOM*.)

The 2nd episode only infuriated me because it showed how emotionless Inaho was and nothing really happened otherwise.

The 3rd was arguably the best because they at least showed the process of figuring out how to beat the enemy, even though it still made no sense. The pacing was a tad awful too and it showed how little they care about death in the series. (Inaho saw his friend die, his reaction when finishing off the enemy? "This is for whatshisface..." he says in a monotone voice before forgetting his friend ever existed in the following episodes.)


I actually thought the first episode was overall the best handled of the show with the 3rd being fairly decent as well, but then again the first episode mainly had to focus on just grabbing as many peoples attention as possible and showing as much carnage and destruction as possible as well, which it pretty much did, but I'm kind of amazed at how slowly things have progressed since then and how little we still kind of know about the cast and what really makes them tick. The third episode also mainly showcased what is looking like is going to become the major formula for the show in what I've come to call "Inaho Vs." but as the first episode to depict any sort of success against the Martians in recorded history is by default a notable episode.

Also only Slaine feels like he's had any significant fleshing out so far with possibly the Princess a very distant second. Inaho by comparison as a main character so far really only feels there for the cool factor so far and even then a debatable sort of cool.

FlareStar101 said:
Maybe some people think he is dull. Actually, so far, he's a really dull character, of course, a backstory would be nice to explain how he became so calm and expressionless, but there wasn't a single foreshadowing of it so far.


Yeah really it's the dull character thing for me for sure. He doesn't seem like a horrible person (and god help Earth cause as things have played out so far he's literally it's only hope by a long shot) or anything though he does come across as potentially a mild sociopath and for a main character completely fails the Red Letter Media test which is basically a challenge to describe a character without just stating what they look like and their role in the show though with Inaho so far even that's a bit of a challenge since he really just has the basic average Japanese student character design.


The problem with Inaho's "Mysterious" character type lies with the fact that he's the main protagonist -- the entire mystery man deal could work REALLY WELL as a SECONDARY character, but following a bloke around for 20 minutes an episode who doesn't react to ANYTHING is just plain boring.
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The guy does react and display emotion, he's just very subtle about it. I wish people would stop insinuating that he's literally emotionless.

Not that it makes his character significantly less bland, though, since those moments are too few to give him any actual personality.
Aug 8, 2014 12:51 AM

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The guy does react and display emotion, he's just very subtle about it. I wish people would stop insinuating that he's literally emotionless.

Not that it makes his character significantly less bland, though, since those moments are too few to give him any actual personality.


I... guess...?
I feel like I get more expression out of Kristen Stewart.

And, maybe it's just me, but I guess I sort of viewed all his micro-expressions as being merely "for show" as opposed to being any real indicator of how he actually felt.
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KazukiTachibana said:


The problem with Inaho's "Mysterious" character type lies with the fact that he's the main protagonist -- the entire mystery man deal could work REALLY WELL as a SECONDARY character, but following a bloke around for 20 minutes an episode who doesn't react to ANYTHING is just plain boring.

We will see about that next episode. :))
Kiritsugu and Kirei also come out as boring characters in the beginning of FZ, especially Kirei, but they become really interesting as the story progress. So it's really too early to judge a character now.
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chickenonthepan said:
KazukiTachibana said:


The problem with Inaho's "Mysterious" character type lies with the fact that he's the main protagonist -- the entire mystery man deal could work REALLY WELL as a SECONDARY character, but following a bloke around for 20 minutes an episode who doesn't react to ANYTHING is just plain boring.

We will see about that next episode. :))
Kiritsugu and Kirei also come out as boring characters in the beginning of FZ, especially Kirei, but they become really interesting as the story progress. So it's really too early to judge a character now.


kiritsugu and kirei were never boring to me
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Keten said:
ex_necross said:

So if everything is bad to you then why are you watching it? Make some sense.


I have told you several times already why I watch things even if I don't like them. I mean, you don't even TRY to address my points, you just say, "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WHY ARE YOU WATCHING IT!?".

I watch it because I hope it will get better. I watch it because I have nothing better to do. I watch it because everyone else is. I watch it because I don't like dropping things unless they are really horrendously bad.

There ya go. That is my reasoning. For the record, everything is not bad to me, I am just rather critical that's all. I give credit where I feel it calls for it and I give criticism where I feel it calls for it and discuss it with others. That is after all what this thread is about. "Aldnoah.Zero Episode 5 Discussion"


It's okay -- I'm in the same boat as you. If no one else does, I at least understand you. :D
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KazukiTachibana said:
fst said:
The guy does react and display emotion, he's just very subtle about it. I wish people would stop insinuating that he's literally emotionless.

Not that it makes his character significantly less bland, though, since those moments are too few to give him any actual personality.


I... guess...?
I feel like I get more expression out of Kristen Stewart.

And, maybe it's just me, but I guess I sort of viewed all his micro-expressions as being merely "for show" as opposed to being any real indicator of how he actually felt.


> Best friend dies
> about as much expression as looking at a plate of baked beans
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micbri said:
ex_necross said:


So if everything is bad to you then why are you watching it? Make some sense.


I wrote a post in last week's thread responding to this often thrown-around remark, and figure that it's worth repeating again:

micbri said:
As for why a person might continue watching something they hate, there are really too many reasons possible to list, many of have already been brought up. Some of them include:
-Friends are watching this/social needs
-Too much time/just want to watch something
-Wants to be fair in critiquing and finish before giving a bad score
-Enjoys discussion, and needs to be current with the hated anime to contribute effectively

There are many things that can make a hated anime enjoyable in some way, making the whole “why don’t you just drop it hater since you clearly dislike it” mentality flawed as the haters who keep watching are enjoying the anime, just not necessarily in the way the fans do.


Really, ex_necross, you of all people should understand how questioning why a person watches a hated anime is silly. I mean, you finished No Game No Life last season despite clearly thinking it was utter garbage.

ex_necross said:
NGNL is like the Justin Bieber of anime. Terrible and utter garbage, yet super popular.


Heck, you even made a post decrying the tendency of others to reject criticism simply because it does not match their opinion.

ex_necross said:
This show is horrible. Already posted about it on a thread that got deleted because apparently only positive opinions and nuthugging is allowed on the forums. Reminds me of a certain political party during WWII.


In that very same post, you also mentioned how such behavior of only considering positive comments as valid "Reminds me of a certain political party during WWII". However, now that the roles are reversed, you find it fair to shoo away those with negative views.

I really find it amusing how you go from 'damn the fanboys, how can you not handle my just criticism' to 'damn the haters, how dare you criticize something I like. you must actually be secretly liking this show to criticize it so much' in the space of one season. If you are going to condemn a certain behavior, it is expected that you refrain from partaking in said behavior the moment it suits you.


Since you like my posts so much, you should at least find the one where I said I never finished NGNL and dropped at 5th episode ;)

Sorry to invalidate your entire post with one sentence.

No sane person would willingly watch something for entertainment that they don't enjoy. This goes against the very definition of sanity, and is more along the lines of masochism.

The only exception is if a show gets bad at the very end, since you've already watched the whole thing.

So, I repeat, if you continue to watch a show through to the end that you think is bad and are not getting much if any enjoyment out of it, you are insane.
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ex_necross said:


Since you like my posts so much, you should at least find the one where I said I never finished NGNL and dropped at 5th episode ;)

Sorry to invalidate your entire post with one sentence.


Huh, I must have missed that post, my bad. I generally try really hard to be thorough when posting. You might want to change the NGNL entry on your list, as it's currently under "completed" and not "dropped", which is what threw me off.

In any case, you not finishing NGNL does not invalidate my entire post, but only the part where I commented on your strange behavior of telling people to drop hated shows despite you watching a hated show to completion. Again, my mistake for making that assumption, as I thought the "completed" listing meant that you had actually finished it.

However, the rest of my point on watching stuff you dislike still stands. I guess I'll make myself a bit clearer on this.

ex_necross said:
No sane person would willingly watch something for entertainment that they don't enjoy. This goes against the very definition of sanity, and is more along the lines of masochism.


First of all, you assume that everybody watches shows purely for the show's entertainment factor, since you say that only crazy people will watch something that does not give them pleasure. Here's the thing though, there are many situations in which a person could have to watch/listen to/read a work of fiction where they are essentially forced to do so, enjoyment be damned. This is especially apparent in social settings. Let me give you an example. I am part of the anime club at my university, and the way it works is that the shows we watch are decided by popular vote. There have been many times in the past where a show which I consider to be terribly boring has been selected, yet I still watch them, because I have many friends there and enjoy the social atmosphere of the club. Am I to be considered insane because of this?

ex_necross said:

So, I repeat, if you continue to watch a show through to the end that you think is bad and are not getting much if any enjoyment out of it, you are insane.

I tried to make this clear in the post I wrote last week, but I suppose I have to elaborate even more since you don't get it.

Bad does not equal not enjoyable

Of course, much of the time bad anime is not enjoyable but that does not mean there are still many situations where a viewer can think something is bad yet have it be enjoyable to them some way. Here's an example - long ago, I read through all of the SAO novels back when I thought it was amazing. A few years down the road, I now consider it and by extension the anime to be poorly written. However, I still watch the anime every week as it airs as I want to see how certain events are animated and compare it to what I had imagined when I was reading the novels. Watching the animated sequences and seeing how they adapted the words I read to drawn cells is entertaining for me, despite my negative opinion on the writing.

Another way a person might find an anime entertaining, despite believing that it is bad, is that they enjoy the social aspects of watching that anime, not that anime itself. For example, somebody might have a few friends that like watching many airing shows and discussing their merits and flaws. In order for this person to participate, anime which is personally disliked by that person has to be watched. Is this person wrong for enjoying a hated anime in such a way?

There are many more reasons, but I think you get the point. Just because something is bad, doesn’t mean it cannot be enjoyable in some way.

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They don't dislike it. They keep coming back because they do like i t.

Unless they are trying to fill some void in their life by watching something they hate to then go and shitpost it, but I'd like to assume they aren't that pathetic and give them the benefit of the doubt.

That’s why I find posts like this to be terribly misguided. Somebody can clearly enjoy a show despite disliking it, as I have shown in my examples above.

By the way, since I feel that your post is questioning why I keep watching Aldnoah Zero, let me tell you why.

First of all, I think Aldnoah Zero is currently not bad, but disappointingly average. There are thing I like (Slaine, premise), and things which I dislike (lack of development in everyone other than Slaine, no thematic development, music). I don’t consider myself a hater for not enthusiastically hailing Aldnoah as a masterpiece, but merely somewhat critical. I hope it will get better, and will continue watching in anticipation of it getting better.

Second, I have quite a few friends who like discussing airing shows, and I watch stuff to be able to discuss with them. This is enjoyable to me, as we all have differing tastes, so it’s interesting for us to talk about how we differ in opinion.

That’s why I watch Aldnoah Zero, and find it worthwhile to keep watching, despite currently not considering it to be good.
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I... guess...?
I feel like I get more expression out of Kristen Stewart.

And, maybe it's just me, but I guess I sort of viewed all his micro-expressions as being merely "for show" as opposed to being any real indicator of how he actually felt.


> Best friend dies
> about as much expression as looking at a plate of baked beans


>tone of voice changes noticeably
>starts sweating
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fst said:
Cyaegha said:


> Best friend dies
> about as much expression as looking at a plate of baked beans


>tone of voice changes noticeably
>starts sweating


>Takes revenge and states it when dealing the killing blow to the mech that killed him
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Darklight0303 said:
fst said:


>tone of voice changes noticeably
>starts sweating


>Takes revenge and states it when dealing the killing blow to the mech that killed him


I agree. he avenges his friend instead of crying. he's probably just numb due to childhood trauma or something.
i would really hate for this show to end in peace like gundams and other shit. the vers empire needs to be brought to their knees before terrans for all their arrogance.
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i would really hate for this show to end in peace like gundams and other shit. the vers empire needs to be brought to their knees before terrans for all their arrogance.


And this, kids, is why we can't have peace in the middle east.
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fst said:
rajurashmi2000 said:
i would really hate for this show to end in peace like gundams and other shit. the vers empire needs to be brought to their knees before terrans for all their arrogance.


And this, kids, is why we can't have peace in the middle east.


You act like vengeance and justice is a middle eastern thing.
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fst said:


And this, kids, is why we can't have peace in the middle east.


You act like vengeance and justice is a middle eastern thing.


No, it happens everywhere, I just mention middle east because it's hot right now.
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I will drop this if Inaho goes from cool,calm,genius like he is now too -> stupid,crybaby,weakling. (too many animes got a weak,crybaby useless mc as the lead)
If god forbid something happens to his sister i hope he becomes ruthless and show even less emotions.

And Slaine should give up on the princess, she clearly friend-zoned him.
Hope that he doesn't turn into a little crybaby emo that goes nuts because the princess goes with Inaho.
I can see it happen.
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And Slaine should give up on the princess, she clearly friend-zoned him.
Hope that he doesn't turn into a little crybaby emo that goes nuts because the princess goes with Inaho.
I can see it happen.


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ramonnl said:
I will drop this if Inaho goes from cool,calm,genius like he is now too -> stupid,crybaby,weakling. (too many animes got a weak,crybaby useless mc as the lead)
If god forbid something happens to his sister i hope he becomes ruthless and show even less emotions.

What?!. It's that posible. I have reade many people want's he show more emotions. And this guy wants less emotions :P
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Maryruss said:
ramonnl said:
I will drop this if Inaho goes from cool,calm,genius like he is now too -> stupid,crybaby,weakling. (too many animes got a weak,crybaby useless mc as the lead)
If god forbid something happens to his sister i hope he becomes ruthless and show even less emotions.

What?!. It's that posible. I have reade many people want's he show more emotions. And this guy wants less emotions :P


i rather watch refrigator than more emotionless inahoe.
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ramonnl said:
I will drop this if Inaho goes from cool,calm,genius like he is now too -> stupid,crybaby,weakling. (too many animes got a weak,crybaby useless mc as the lead)
If god forbid something happens to his sister i hope he becomes ruthless and show even less emotions.

And Slaine should give up on the princess, she clearly friend-zoned him.
Hope that he doesn't turn into a little crybaby emo that goes nuts because the princess goes with Inaho.
I can see it happen.


You're in "that" stage huh?

Being emotionless simply for the sake of it is as empty as being a whiny brat with no background. Although Shinji was probably the most hated character ever, he is extremely well written, very humane. I hope Inhao shows reasons why he is emotionless and will take actions shows human nature.
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i rather watch refrigator than more emotionless inahoe.

Cats all over the world approve of this. :D

ramonnl said:
Hope that he doesn't turn into a little crybaby emo that goes nuts because the princess goes with Inaho. I can see it happen.

Would take this any day over an emotionless character.
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fst said:


>tone of voice changes noticeably
>starts sweating


>Takes revenge and states it when dealing the killing blow to the mech that killed him


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatMakesMeFeelAngry
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Well of course he doesn't believe Slaine, his knights would never kill his grand daughter in order to satisfy their racist superiority views and war lust.
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This show gets more vapid with each passing episode.

Lol @ the Princess performing what I'm guessing is supposed to be mouth-to-mouth resuscitation? Wouldn't have been smarter to unhook him and do it on a flat surface? But I guess that wouldn't have made such a pretty scene...

Lol @ Slain: "The Princess is alive." His Majesty: "Oh." Anyone else get the impression he knows more than he's letting on? Possibly a part of the plot himself? Or is otherwise under some sort of mind control?

Lol @ "He's a surprisingly useful boy." Yeah, he's saved everyone's ass single-handedly five episodes running, I'd imagine so.

Lol @ people's autism theories (of which there is nothing mentioned in the series to date to support this) being used as a defense for Inaho's character still being little more than a shell (other than him being a super-boy genius who saves the day where trained military personnel fail - can't forget that!!)

Overall this show just feels so unbalanced and illogical. I wouldn't even mind the latter so much if the main characters (perhaps bar Slaine) were't all so bloody anonymous and just bland. Bland bland bland. The political drama is the only thing keeping this series going. Even the battle this episode felt boring and predicable, with Inaho saving the day with absolutely no trouble, every detail thought out and coolly executed with complete calm, no visible emotion whatsoever.

I'm really rooting for this series but it's getting hard.
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Pretty good episode. Inaho is great in combat
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Cyaegha said:
Darklight0303 said:


>Takes revenge and states it when dealing the killing blow to the mech that killed him


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatMakesMeFeelAngry


>links to a trope about telling instead of showing
>was a response to examples of showing instead of telling.
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Why did they change the ed? I prefer the episode 4 ed but oh well...

Good episode. Slaine is doing the best he can to save Princess Asselyum and at the same time stop the war between earthlings and martians. Though he was outsmarted.

CPR from a loli princess. How lewd.
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Dat kiss. Slaine just arrived on the surface of Mars and he gets kissed by the princess of the empire.
I also like the OST in this episode.
Lol at Inaho saluting Lt. Marito.

Vlad, who's a dick to Slaine (just like most Martians), is back with his bullet blocking energy sword.
Hmm, he can dual wield too. It reminds me of someone...
Good thing Inaho has another brilliant plan up his sleeve.

Saazbaum found out about Slaine and he already told the Emperor about traitors.
But instead of Slaine being the victim, it seems like Dr. Troyard is in danger.
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