Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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LoneWizard said: Yes he was...He was obsessed with Rem,Ram,village children,Rom,Felt AND Emilia...He is the same Subaru... Except he wasn't that obsessed, and he wasn't a complete retard. iRels said: It isn't anyone else's fault but of you guys, for not realizing that he was an escapist all along. oh? If that's the case then, you guys have no right to blame Shirou (FSN) on anything, because you aren't Source Readers. For not realizing his motives. |
| I gotta say, that was some amazing characterization this episode. Subaru broke the mold and finally showed when backed up against a wall the stress and feelings he was holding back after dying several times - he's selfish, a cunt and acted like a complete asshole. But he's realistic, he wasn't another generic happy go luck anime character. I can't wait to see where the show develops from here on out. |
Shrimperor said: Except he was...=_=LoneWizard said: Yes he was...He was obsessed with Rem,Ram,village children,Rom,Felt AND Emilia...He is the same Subaru... Except he wasn't that obsessed, and he wasn't a complete retard. Its funny how despite how much i love the show and Subaru i can see it but people cant see how he was always a simple guy who only followed his emotions...BEATS ME... Anyways this thread wont go anywhere(Surprise) so im out for this week... |
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Shrimperor said: LoneWizard said: Yes he was...He was obsessed with Rem,Ram,village children,Rom,Felt AND Emilia...He is the same Subaru... Except he wasn't that obsessed, and he wasn't a complete retard. iRels said: It isn't anyone else's fault but of you guys, for not realizing that he was an escapist all along. oh? If that's the case then, you guys have no right to blame Shirou (FSN) on anything, because you aren't Source Readers. For not realizing his motives. Get your type moon trash out of here. |
| This episode was a feces sandwich served on moldy bread. By the time it was over, I was glad to see Subaru get his ass kicked and find him an insufferable imbecile. 1. He broke his promise for A. his own selfish desire to be Big Man on Campus. or B. because he is so in love with half elf that he can't stand to have her in any possible peril 2. Felt is anime's version of My Fair Lady......let's make a socialite from a low ranking person and watch the confusion it causes......Old Man's entrance made no sense and was pretty head scratching 3. Subaru couldn't just tell half elf that he loves her and his desire to always be by her side....yadda ....yadda....yadda....blinded his common sense and he hopes that she can understand his.......zzzzzzzzzzzz All in all......it was a movie low point complete with Rocky fight (my term for a movie fight where the hero gets beat to a pulp before he finally wins) except our MC just got a new anus stomped in his back side and didn't win. I still like this series....just not this episode. 3/10 |
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| Great episode. That ending made me cringe pretty hard tho |
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Idiotproofninja said: Rance-sama said: I gotta say, that was some amazing characterization this episode. Subaru broke the mold and finally showed when backed up against a wall the stress and feelings he was holding back after dying several times - he's selfish, a cunt and acted like a complete asshole. But he's realistic, he wasn't another generic happy go luck anime character. I can't wait to see where the show develops from here on out. If he was like Rance this Anime would be 10/10 but he sucks at fighting. This anime is great in it's own way, Rance being OP fits his character and the story. Subaru being ridiculously strong would ruin the series, and we wouldn't have gotten the beautiful characterization this episode if he just beat up everyone in a single hit and saved the day. Subaru is a deeply flawed, weak and selfish character but he has a sense of realism that makes me empathize with him. Rance is a lot more complex than it looks like on the surface, but I wouldn't want to spoil anything about him. Sometimes it's better if the main character is weak and pathetic imo. |
LoneWizard said: Its funny how despite how much i love the show and Subaru i can see it but people cant see how he was always a simple guy who only followed his emotions...BEATS ME... He followed his emotions before true, but he wasn't an idiot, and he wasn't super obsessed with EMP. |
ShrimperorJun 26, 2016 4:45 PM
Z4k said: Dat double standard. Shrimperor said: Except he wasn't that obsessed, and he wasn't a complete retard. oh? If that's the case then, you guys have no right to blame Shirou (FSN) on anything, because you aren't Source Readers. For not realizing his motives. Get your type moon trash out of here. @Shrimperor is on point, if the anime fails at properly betraying these moments, while the LN does a good job at it, it's not the anime-onlies fault but the studio/directors. I don't see how it's fair or reasonable to call the anime-onlies "stupid" just because they didn't read the original source. |
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Shrimperor said: LoneWizard said: Its funny how despite how much i love the show and Subaru i can see it but people cant see how he was always a simple guy who only followed his emotions...BEATS ME... He followed his emotions true, but he wasn't an idiot, and he wasn't super obsessed with EMP. People so easily ignore that Subaru was the guy who jumped off the cliff and gave up his own survival and chacne at the date just so he can save the maids. I literally cant see this subaru doing that. |
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Snappynator said: Dat double standard. @Shrimperor is on point, if the anime fails at properly betraying these moments, while the LN does a good job at it, it's not the anime-onlies fault but the studio/directors. I don't see how it's fair or reasonable to call the anime-onlies "stupid" just because they didn't read the original source. Except the anime hasn't handled Subaru's character and his moments worse than its source material and how do you know the LN does a good job? |
Z4k said: I don't know whether or not the LN does a better job, I have just seen some of the LN readers claiming it does a better job at portraying some of the scenes (such as when Subaru makes a fuss about those old guys bad mouthing Emilia) better. Yeah I'm just basing this on what some random people say, but it's still stupid to say someone opinion has no weight to it, just because you aren't a source reader.Snappynator said: Dat double standard. @Shrimperor is on point, if the anime fails at properly betraying these moments, while the LN does a good job at it, it's not the anime-onlies fault but the studio/directors. I don't see how it's fair or reasonable to call the anime-onlies "stupid" just because they didn't read the original source. Except the anime hasn't handled Subaru's character and his moments worse than its source material and how do you know the LN does a good job? |
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| Wow,seems like dying a lot has messed with Subaru's mentality. I always knew him being overly happy was his personality as well as a coping mechanism. He was bound to pop off his cap again as we saw at the castle after Rem killed him. I didn't expect him to lose it in such a horrible way...I feel bad for him. Emilia doesn't understand that Subaru is in love with her,that is why he can't treat her like everyone else. Subaru doesn't understand that although he is from a different dimension,"saving the girl-damsel in distress" cliche only works in games. He needs to view his situation not as a game but a real life situation then he will finally start to understand. Anyway.amazing episode. Can't wait for more. |
Shrimperor said: She owes him nothing. Exactly, her debt was already paid by Roswaal (actually it was paid by her telling him her name since he explicitly stated that this is all the compensation he wanted to have) and Emilia saving him from the hoodlums pales in comparison to what Rem did to save him from the curses. His baseless over the top obsession with Emilia really is ruining this character for me, I just hope that he moves on but i don't think that this is going to happen... |
NoumuJun 26, 2016 4:56 PM
Snappynator said: but it's still stupid to say someone opinion has no weight to it, just because you aren't a source reader. tbh I never even said anything about that. I just told him to take his FSN trash somewhere else because this isn't the place to discuss whether we properly realized Shirou's motives or not. |
eso18 said: In the middle of episode I was preparing myself to hate on Subaru on few forums. How his character suddenly degreased and how he suddenly does one stupid thing or another for Emilia, without considering her situation at all. Generally I wanted to hate on him for being stupid MC who started doing stupid stuff all just for story purposes so the story can continue with election with Subaru taking part in them as well. Show has to include it's protagonist in the show's main storyline. Still as much as I wanted to hate on him, when the last scenes appeared it hit me, that even though the second arc was successfully completed, Subaru is far from being mentally stable... quite the opposite in fact. He took part in two arcs, and with his effort those two stories ended up good but at this point he has reached the assumption that if he doesn't do well, the next problem will continue until he saves the day again, and before that happens he will have to die, times and times again. It seems that the thought of dying drives him insane at this point. AND... IT SHOULD HAVE!!!!! This is the natural reaction, as even though Subaru solved some problems this doesn't mean at all that he is anywhere close to being able to live his life from now on. We have to remember. Subaru is not a hero, he is a normal guy, thrown into the insane world with his only ability per see being that he resurrects after dying. In the hands of intelligent more emotionally stable MC, this would be an ultimate weapon, for him though it's rather a curse. I lost my train of thought but what I wanted to say is basically... HELL YEA! The story finally starts the drama that is absolutely necessary in repeat-time-stories, especially with dying being the repeat source. The drama already started in the last arc but I am happy to see that it did not disappear just because the story moved on. This episode Subaru completely forgotten that about 70% of time he spent with Emilia is something she doesn't remember and he snapped. For him who was trying to help her all this time seems quite natural... for Emilia who was simply helped twice it's doesn't seem right at all. The difference in feelings between the ones who remembers and those who not is the best that time-repeat stories has to offer. In the end though while I understand why Subaru snapped at the end he was kind of unfair. He somewhat arrived at the assumption that if he continues to hang around Emilia and try to help her then he will reach the happy ending with her like a protagonist of LN. He was like... HEY I COMPLETED TWO QUESTS WITH YOU ALREADY WHY AREN'T YOUR LOVE POINTS FULL YET!... Treating it like it was some kind of game and Emilia being the heroine destined for him to end up with like it was given. Still everyone can understand how un mature such thinking is and that this isn't the way the world works (sure we will get that ending eventually but not in such pitiful way). All this ties down to who Subaru was at the start of the story and how he behaved. His situation was always fucked up but he was cheerful about it like it was not a big deal, like everything was going to turn out well, he will get the main heroine and live happy ever after, but nope... . This situation won't continue at any time soon... next episode I expect Subaru go dark mode, the same way he did when he hid inside the library for the whole time and one of the twins died. There is the hope in the tunnel though in existence of one character, I pretty much expect her to make Subaru get back some mentality and come up with what he should do. All in all, I have to complain about one thing... why Subaru didn't die at all recently? It's been too long already! Oh god, you really opened my eyes, thank you. I completely forgot that Subaru was treating this whole thing as a game and completely missed the point of what he meant. I still think that there was a way too sudden change in Subaru's behavior that made him feel out of character in this episode, but now I understand more clearly what it was supposed to be shown here. |
Z4k said: Snappynator said: Dat double standard. @Shrimperor is on point, if the anime fails at properly betraying these moments, while the LN does a good job at it, it's not the anime-onlies fault but the studio/directors. I don't see how it's fair or reasonable to call the anime-onlies "stupid" just because they didn't read the original source. Except the anime hasn't handled Subaru's character and his moments worse than its source material and how do you know the LN does a good job? iRels said: He's the same guy. You guys simply didn't understand enough about him. It's only to be expected that none of you is a source reader. Idiotproofninja said: I can see him do that, He'll just complain that the maids owe him for it after he does something to piss them off and they get mad at him in an argument. Haha xD ''I saved you, so you owe me. You 2, sleep with me, NAO'' NB4Y said: I completely forgot that Subaru was treating this whole thing as a game and completely missed the point of what he meant. except for the fact that he snapped out of the game thing in the ep1 lel. Idiotproofninja said: HOLY, someone else noticing that he has a really weird pointless obsession with Emilia that is completely poisonous and a waste of time. If we forget the last 2 episodes., this is the only weak point of the Anime so far tbh. His 'Relationship'/Obsession with Emilia and her being some kinda a prize. |
ShrimperorJun 26, 2016 5:00 PM
| Subaru had some strong cringe moments this episode, but he has been through a lot. :/ |
| I don't like what happened this episode and how Subaru was treated but I have to admit he was at fault here, he basically lost controle and embarrassed Emilia. I love how the author is portraying Subaru, because out the N characters that I have come to know from the fantasy genre, Subaru seems the most humane and natural, he isn't perfect, he doesn't do things because he wants everybody to be happy, he is selfish, I wants his happiness and he wants Emilia to be happy but because he wants those things to the point of being desperate he is become clueless and is loosing sight of what is most important. I actually hated Julius but then as I thought about this episode and as I recalled how Subaru embarrassed himself and disrespected the knights, I actually started to understand his actions, Subaru was out of line and needed to be put in his place before he endangered himself or Emilia, I don't think the knights took to lightly what he said and he would have probably been killed if he stepped foot out of the castle by the knights if Julius hadn't given him a proper punishment in front of the knights, but don't be fooled by my words I think he also did what he did out of pride and honor of the knighthood. Regarding what happened at the end I don't think either of them is at fault, but what worries Emilia most and prompts her to take this dissension is Subaru's unwillingness to speak his mind, it almost seems from her perspective that he's obsessed with her, but he doesn't have a choice he can't explain anything because the witch wont let him. I think his "gifts" are the cruelest things in this show. |
| Although I do think Subaru was acting ridiculously and it was horrible to watch, I feel as though too many people are jumping on the "hate Subaru" bandwagon too fast. :-\ |
iRels said: Subaru's dark. His affinity to the element. But before he went to the fantasy world, he was shown to be depressed. Except we know nothing about his time before except that: - He was neet - He Lives alone - He worked out - He was envious of the people being close when at shop. Thats in no way justification for all the shit he did in those two episodes.That just tells you he is socially awkward and longs for empathy, which we already saw through arc 2 completely with him breaking down for others rejecting him. And getting over it. We literally went through this last arc and then it was not as forced nor out of place. This is literally repeat of what we already saw him but without justification and in less episodes. |
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| Btw I think I have a question but... do they even see him starting to talk when he tries to explain his situation? Or does the hand prevent it, goes back a few seconds back and "cuts" the moment he starts talking? Or is it, he just starts talking and then stops and the characters interpret it as "he doesn't want to tell"? |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
| I don't think people understand that this needed to happen, I may not have read any of the light novels, but i felt that this needed to happen. In order to improve in characterization, sometimes we have to see characters at their lowest, and this was Subaru's lowest. The author wanted to make Subaru seem pathetic and weak because for the past two arcs we witnessed him doing some damn commendable things despite his weaknesses. People need to realize that at the end of the day, Subaru was just a human that was dragged into this predicament. It was hard for me to watch this episode just as much as it was hard for everyone else. Fappa said: We have to remind ourselves that despite Subaru actions beings completely dumb and idiotic, he got called out on that and the author uses this to develop his character. So while the things that Subaru did definitely wasn't good in it's own right and "cringy", you have to give the story props for taking a character and make him develop that way. It's funny how the content of what this episode portrait is full of negative emotions and mistakes of Subaru but it's so good that this story is able to depict that. A case of - negative moments ( but not bad ) depicted in the episode but + for the writing and overall story because it actually addressed that. I'm glad someone else realizes that it's all for the sake of character development. |
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Shrimperor said: NB4Y said: I completely forgot that Subaru was treating this whole thing as a game and completely missed the point of what he meant. except for the fact that he snapped out of the game thing in the ep1 lel. I don't think that's completely true though. In the contrary he may have gotten even more that feeling after losing the concept of death and using it at his advantage. After that he started to become more "yolo-ish" and caring less about his own life risking everything for his goals and being surprised everytime he wakes up realising he's still alive. I think it's pretty safe to assume that he lost his mind and started to carelessly reach his goals even more than before. Now that he doesn't have to save anyone anymore he aims at Emilia without caring about the consequences as if he was in a game where he could just rewind when he needed to. |
PukingMachines said: iRels said: He's the same guy. You guys simply didn't understand enough about him. It's only to be expected that none of you is a source reader. hey, i aint no source reader and i understood well enough, also you shouldn't be forced to read the source material to understand the whys, that a very weak argument This is a big problem a lot who follow this show have. Since they have the forward-going understanding of the characters and connecting the dots with their motivators they have a habit of implying/calling others who only understand a character from a largely linear perspective short-sighted or dense. |
Fai said: iRels said: Subaru's dark. His affinity to the element. But before he went to the fantasy world, he was shown to be depressed. Except we know nothing about his time before except that: - He was neet - He Lives alone - He worked out - He was envious of the people being close when at shop. That's in no way justification for all the shit he did in those two episodes. You could speculate. He was never a guy who could get into close relationships,suffers from depression and has no aspirations in life(neet).Being transported into the fantasy world brought out his "gaming persona." When playing a game you generally take up a whole new identity entirely. The Subaru that we have been seeing now might be less than half or not even a fraction of the Subaru that exists in the real world. All in all,I still say great show,great LN,keep it coming. |
mahoupenisu said: ngl...this anime being ranked #39 of all time bothers me. i get that everything on this site is wildly overrated, but #39? No use in complaining, just deal with it. |
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| I SPENT 2 HOURS WATCHING THIS EPISODE CAUSE I WAS SO EMBARASSED OF SUBARU'S ATTITUDE SO I KEPT PAUSING IT AT EVERY MOVE OF HIS, THINKING ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN NEXT AND WHY WOULD HE DO THAT???? SUBARU YOU IDIOT, WHAT THE FUCK? I THINK I FELT MORE HUMILIATED THAN HIM OHMY, THE FEELS. |
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don't act all smart and call us out in it then. NB4Y said: I don't think that's completely true though. In the contrary he may have gotten even more that feeling after losing the concept of death and using it at his advantage. After that he started to become more "yolo-ish" and caring less about his own life risking everything for his goals and being surprised everytime he wakes up realising he's still alive. I think it's pretty safe to assume that he lost his mind and started to carelessly reach his goals even more than before. Now that he doesn't have to save anyone anymore he aims at Emilia without caring about the consequences as if he was in a game where he could just rewind when he needed to. But he is afraid of death and will rather avoid it then die & repeat. Arc 2 showed us that. |
| I was blocking my face and feeling the cringe. Damn, Subaru should have just jumped out the window after all that he did. I still liked the episode but like... Subaru needs to calm down his love for Emilia. Rem still best girl, just saying. Also can we talk about the faces Subaru was creating? Like hot damn bro, stop. |
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| Subaru's fucked up big time this episode. I can see why he's still trying so hard, but I was rather surprised when he went down the route of saying Emilia owes him many debts because he's the sole reason that everything went well. I guess it was a last ditch effort to try and get Emilia to come over to his side. Wonder how they'll resolve this. |
 It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
| Man with all the mistakes that Subaru made during that episode (even if it was to try and help Emilia) he might as well kill himself and start over. I trust for a romantic ending though :) |
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Rayla said: I don't think people understand that this needed to happen, I may not have read any of the light novels, but i felt that this needed to happen. In order to improve in characterization, sometimes we have to see characters at their lowest, and this was Subaru's lowest. The author wanted to make Subaru seem pathetic and weak because for the past two arcs we witnessed him doing some damn commendable things despite his weaknesses. People need to realize that at the end of the day, Subaru was just a human that was dragged into this predicament. It was hard for me to watch this episode just as much as it was hard for everyone else. I am pretty sure every single person knows why it is being done. It is HOW that is the problem. It feels forced, it clashes with his characterization and it goes to such lengths that makes character hate-able instead of merely fucking up. |
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| Such a frustrating episode. I know Subaru went into this like it was a game, and then all he got out of it to help him is that really terrible dying over and over again. And now he's feeling how useless it is in getting Emilie to where she wants to go. But wow, that was a really horrible way of bringing out his frustrations on anyone around him. |
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