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| They should have just focused on a story from Renton and Eureka's point of view or left out any relation to the first season (an entirely different story in the same universe). Naru was extremely underdeveloped for me and I still don't know why truth had to be in this show. Overall it just felt like characters and plot points were not fully explored. |
| Honestly, The series started off pretty good and kept me entertained until around the mid season (episode 14 onwards) when it kinda started to drop. I agree that the ending seemed really rush and they let go alot of their ideas towards the end (flying on a board without trapar?).. Basically Ao is now a useless character in his time line with no way to get back to any kind of timeline. So...meh? |
| This series was such a wasted of time. I thought having Renton back, may fix it at least in the end, but I was wrong. |
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| Oh and what about Fleur? She looked so sad when he was about leave T_T poor Fleur could never get her feelings out to him! |
| basically... the show was so bad that protagonist himself cancelled the whole show(all the events) by himself from even happening in the first place. lol. ^ ^ |
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coolfahad76 said: Yeah it's just sad. This ending made it so nothing really mattered. Maybe that's why these characters and subplots were underdeveloped, because it wasn't going to mean anything anyways.Oh and what about Fleur? She looked so sad when he was about leave T_T poor Fleur could never get her feelings out to him! |
| It may seem trivial just to join a forum just to vent, but seeing as how I'm not the only one that happens to have felt the same this seems like a good place. Truth is I gave this show a chance. I really wanted to enjoy it. Yet in the end it just failed to tie it all together. The biggest problem with Eureka Seven Ao is how convoluted it is. The first mistake was making the series have a time travel element. It just made everything unnecessarily complicated. The first Eureka Seven although it had it's mysteries and intrigue did it without being convoluted.... and it actually served a purpose in the character development of Renton. The idea that he was kept out of the loop for being a child, and his discover of the truth and becoming a responsible adult as a result of growing and learning. So some of the trip-pier scub knowledge stuff made sense in the end. The time travel aspect of Eureka Seven Ao just made the series come undone. Characters that were developed just disappear, making learning about them irrelevant... other characters completely change roles mid way through the series with little to know explanation for it. We all know Maggie switched over to the other side as a result of the first time burst, but why even bother having her in the show after it, if it's treated as if it's a cameo. They should've just written her out. Same could be said for Truth... At the end of the day the whole Time Travel/Alternate Universe element of the show just kind of negates the entire show. A certain character even asserts that point to Ao at the end. That's just the first problem. All though most of the other issues with the series stem from that one. Basically the show spends so much time waffling about what it's doing that there is no pay off. Who is Ao's love interest, what are the relationships that are important to him, who are the people that are important to him.... basically nothing was ever developed significantly. There was a serious lack of direction with the series, and it was all over the place. The show didn't even have a clear sort of concept... it wasn't about Ao growing up, or becoming an adult... it wasn't about him achieving understanding with Naru... or the scubs... or anything. It wasn't about him eventually getting to be with his family and learning about who he is and where he comes from. It just didn't have a point to it. And I think that's what it comes down to... I think a lot of people who have watched the show this far, to the end here.... they are just like "What did I just watch? What was it even about?". I will say this... the show had some great animation, it had some wonderful moments (mind you a lot of the highlights come simply from seeing Eureka & Renton onscreen), but the characters were all poorly developed. So if you could put that aside it's entertaining to watch. Yet no fan of the original Eureka Seven should watch this. It doesn't have any of the same themes or feel to it. The only thing I can hope for is an actual sequel to Eureka Seven.... and to a certain degree it seems as though they ended it in a way that suggests they could easily avoid ever having to reference the Ao series ever. Again another reason why the ending kind of negates the entire Ao story. Either way had to get that out of my system. So sad that they couldn't even end the series in a way that gives events in the show any sort of meaning. |
| Wow Truth really got bet over, he was reduced from the villain to pretty much a sat nav for AO. I enjoyed the series I would give it a 6.5-7/10, the story was so so but the sound track and fights were enjoyable. I didn't really get the conclusion, I don't get how AO can be back to the world we started in when he stopped Eureka from ever being there, the main downfall for the series was it was getting too complicated with alternate universes I was able to keep up but I felt we could do without it. |
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| im gonna make a difference here and say i enjoyed the ending so much, i gave this series 8/10 since its not totally a stand alone series, ye Ao just erased himself from the memories of his family and friends but that does not mean he will not exist anymore he got a fresh start on a different parallel universe or timeline and looking at the ending scene it will be a Naru X Ao ending instead of Fleur X Ao, darn i love parallel universes and time warping stories like this that got good ending, damn awesome ending!!! and Truth becomes the truth of the whole reality XD he now wanders on every parallel universes or timelines he is a god with OMNIPRESENCE now lol |
degNov 20, 2012 3:08 AM
rul said: Actually he didn't stop her from ever being there. Wow Truth really got bet over, he was reduced from the villain to pretty much a sat nav for AO. I enjoyed the series I would give it a 6.5-7/10, the story was so so but the sound track and fights were enjoyable. I didn't really get the conclusion, I don't get how AO can be back to the world we started in when he stopped Eureka from ever being there, the main downfall for the series was it was getting too complicated with alternate universes I was able to keep up but I felt we could do without it. All he did was stop her from being put into a state of flux. Essentially he came in and stopped her from taking that clump of quartz away. So instead of her disappearing into a flux state she goes from that point to her original time/universe. This technically means that Ao in that timeline still remained with Grampa Fukai as a 2 year old, and grew up and had all the events transpire like they would've. The only difference now in the timeline would be that any and all encounters with that Ghost Eureka wouldn't have occurred, because she never reached that flux state. Everything else though should have transpired as shown in the show, even included other time/history alterations. Out of a technicality when he shows up, the other characters should know about him and Eureka and everything else. Since the flux Eureka being gone would barely impact the timeline. Actually one character that would be affected would be Elena... as she got her closure from flux Eureka (where she learned Eureka saved her from a possible death and that she got a glimpse of Eureka's Universe). Meaning she may still be losing it or something.... or worse not exist... as Eureka saving Elena may have happened as a result of her being in flux (she is shown in her mom clothes as opposed to the clothes she was wearing in her first visit when she was preggers with Ao's sister).... Regardless Bones clearly doesn't show what happens when Ao returns to Okinawa for a reason... they don't want to try and explain what changes have occurred. |
| Mind my first ever post on here to also vent, but: I don't get it. Ok so Ao erases himself (thus repelling whatever romance/relationships he built up for 24 episodes) Basically history would repeat itself following the invasion of the Coral in the later years which will cause Eureka and Renton to begin annihilating the Coral (again) and so forth having Ao jumping the fringes of space and time (again) Ok so what happens then? So basically to the whole "Reality changes to the observer" what can we expect from whatever happens to Ao? He just lives in a trepar-less world without knowing Naru or his flight mates, nobody ever dies, and pretty much we were wagged the middle finger this whole time? Bones just went full retard, must have hired the writers of ME3 |
TriumphDaytona said: Your not the only one..... this ending and series bothered me so much I just had to vent it all. Mind my first ever post on here to also vent, but: I don't get it. Ok so Ao erases himself (thus repelling whatever romance/relationships he built up for 24 episodes) Basically history would repeat itself following the invasion of the Coral in the later years which will cause Eureka and Renton to begin annihilating the Coral (again) and so forth having Ao jumping the fringes of space and time (again) Ok so what happens then? If Ao returns to his timeline/universe but the coral never existed doesn't that mean that he wouldn't be able to materialize? BECAUSE HE DOESN'T EXIST? Bones just went full retard, must have hired the writers of ME3 I'd say welcome but I'm just as new, and it's all thanks to this laughable sequel. Also if you are confused about the ending read my above post. The ending makes sense, and he didn't erase himself. The problem though is how pointless it makes everything that transpired in the series. As for the bit where a whole bunch of portals are opening up and he fires a massive burst with the Quartz Cannon, I have no idea what happened there so it's probably any ones guess. Cause technically all those portals with secrets and scubs were opening up in the moment in the timeline where Eureka was supposed to have disappeared. It's so chaotic and convoluted you don't know what it's supposed to mean. Yet it just seems as though he's removed the scub that was coming from the future through portals.... not the original first scub that comes to earth much later and then has the events transpire with the original Eureka Seven. It's convoluted in general, and yeah I'm still trying to get my head around everything that was occurring at the end there. |
TheMaverickkNov 20, 2012 3:01 AM
| Wow...simply wow. |
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| Finally this shit show is over. Instead of making a completely original show, they gave us something bland and teased two fleshed out characters from a good series. Just like Last Exile: Ginyoku no Fam, I'm going to act like this train wreck never happened. Ao and Ginyoku no Fam are examples of messing with something that was fine alone and trying to make a quick buck by riding on the name. The creator should feel ashamed and dirty. |
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| The disappointing thing is, the series started off pretty good and then just went downhill at increasingly faster speeds. I thought episode 23 was pretty good and then along came episode 24 with it's plate full of shit. |
TriumphDaytona said: Mind my first ever post on here to also vent, but: I don't get it. Ok so Ao erases himself (thus repelling whatever romance/relationships he built up for 24 episodes) Basically history would repeat itself following the invasion of the Coral in the later years which will cause Eureka and Renton to begin annihilating the Coral (again) and so forth having Ao jumping the fringes of space and time (again) Ok so what happens then? So basically to the whole "Reality changes to the observer" what can we expect from whatever happens to Ao? He just lives in a trepar-less world without knowing Naru or his flight mates, nobody ever dies, and pretty much we were wagged the middle finger this whole time? Bones just went full retard, must have hired the writers of ME3 nah you are thinking that Parallel Universe and or Time Traveling will all have thesame conclusion which is wrong, have you watch Steins;Gate? its explained there that in modern physcis terms when you Time Travel you simply go to another timeline, but in Ao's case he go to an entirely different timeline, if i can word it properly in Steins;Gate it was explained that Time acts like a rope with different threads forming the rope and if you Time Jump/Travel on that rope you end up on a slightly different thread on same rope and hence only few changes take place since its thesame rope and also because its thesame rope it may end up with thesame conclusion.... but Ao Time Jump/Travel on an entirely different rope and hence its a really new timeline for him and it will have brand new conclusion too... i hope you understand what im saying i feel i cannot word it well, but just watch Steins;Gate since its a very good series anyway and the Analogy to Laymans term of modern physics way of Time Traveling is explained more better in Steins;Gate |
degNov 20, 2012 3:30 AM
| I liked this show, I did not think they should of done the story about what it was about after it was a sequal to the other E7 but it felt very distant from it apart from the few flashbacks with Eureka etc, it should of just been an entirely different show on its own with the story it did otherwise people wouldn't expect to be informed about EVERYTHING that happened with the gekko etc and what happened afterwards on E7.. But don't get me wrong, I too would love to have a hole season / series dedicated to what happens after the original E7, because from these 2 episodes it looked like they still had work to do. |
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| WTF was that ending sh1t. |
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| And a bad ending to a bad series. My score of 4 wavered a bit but in the end it won. I only wavered when knowing about Renton's and Eureka's hardships but even that in the end was meaningless pretty much. This is a 25 episode series who ultimately is all about Renton and Eureka trying to protect the world Ao is living to keep him alive and it's sweet and all (considering how their first child died) but it kinda negates everything before. This could have easily been 2-3 OVAs and actually have a better concrete story than this series. And everything seems meaningless when Ao sacrifices himself either way. Sure, it's touching and it shows nothing goes according to plan but it's kind of a turn off considering the rest of everything. And how fast did Renton and Eureka accept that he was going to sacrifice himself... They even managed to mess a bit my image of them. So, apart from the story that mostly was unneeded and had no real connection to the story, nothing else rly stood out. Character development was either non-existent or plain bad with my main example being Fleur. At first I was indifferent to her, then I heard the story of her father's decision to keep her alive thus agreeing to her mother's death. Instead of understanding her father at some point and how hard it was for him and get closer to the only family she had left, she chose to be a horrid bitch and blaming him for everything. If only that was the initial phase, I'd be fine but no, she is horrible. And now, in the last episode she shows again her maturity by asking Ao how could he choose his real family when he had told her and the rest that they are his family. Well, excuuuuuse me princess for wanting to save my mother. Truth... Oh, Truth Truth... Too much fuss for ultimately nothing. This is an example of something small escalating to something major without rly any necessity to be there. Can go on for the rest of cast but honestly I don't care. None of them left a strong impression and I can mostly say bad things so yeah. I can say though that I pity Ao at times. He got a major power to change the future at such a young age and no kid can rly know what to do so yes, he is put in a position no kid should be and can understand a bit not wanting to defeat Truth thus changing the future again. Though in the end, he seems pretty happy even though he is in the 3rd world and might even not exist there. Story and characters are my top priotities in a show and both were pretty butchered. I could care less about Ao and even less about the supporting characters soooo a 4 should be something I'm generous with xD |
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Maffy said: And a bad ending to a bad series. My score of 4 wavered a bit but in the end it won. I only wavered when knowing about Renton's and Eureka's hardships but even that in the end was meaningless pretty much. .... Story and characters are my top priotities in a show and both were pretty butchered. I could care less about Ao and even less about the supporting characters soooo a 4 should be something I'm generous with xD Have to agree with you. the one redeeming side of this entire finale was the realization that the whole reason Eureka had come to that time period was Renton's decision to give his son a chance at life. That he loved his son that much he was willing to let him go. Mind you at the end of the day even that whole spiel about how Eureka and Renton couldn't have a child because trapar turned them to stone was for the most part stupid. Yeah it made for a very heart wrenching sadness, you really feel their pain.... but why even make that creative decision in the first place. Not to mention it makes absolutely no sense. Why would their child turn to stone from trapar exposure. I mean Eureka and Renton both don't turn to stone being exposed to it. Neither of them have that trait. So why introduce a medical complication like this to a beloved anime couple. There are so many elements of the show that are never explained... or never expanded upon other then a brief mentioning. So yeah absolutely completely pointless in the end. Maybe one day I'll watch it all again and not be as disappointed by it all. A fresh take on it and less expectation or something. |
TheMaverickkNov 20, 2012 6:32 AM
| I'm crying here. Be ashamed of yourself, Bones. |
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| I had good hopes for last two episodes, but i got utterly disappointed... What the fuck is with this fucking plot and ending.. |
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| The anime itself is a paradox, did I just use the right word? pity to be Ao at the ending. I hope the Ao that gets born properly grows up well with both parents this time around. To those who didn't understand the ending, you guys need to watch more mindfuck anime. Please correct me if I'm wrong with my analysis, there will be 2 Ao? the original Ao that sacrificed himself so he could take Eureka's stead and he finally lived in a different universe and timeline at 2027 AD. The second Ao is the 2 year old that got left behind during this encounter and will grow up in a world without IFOs and scub bursts due to the first Ao's intervention. Well this is just hilarious! P.S. I am aware of the infinite universe and timline but what happens to the 2 year old Ao that got left behind! :c kawai-soune... |
ItadakiimasuNov 20, 2012 6:35 AM
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Zacanator531 said: E But yeah, the whole thing about Renton acting like "Oh, now that I have Eureka, I'll let Ao go sacrifice his existence without thinking twice" was bullshit to me. Typical Bones. Good thing they didn't try to make a Darker Than Black season 2... Yeah I hate the part where they sacrificed their son, so 2 dead offsprings so far and probably counting? anyways there is a darker than black season 2 :P i or did you mean a season 3? |
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triforcebih said: Itadakiimasu said: Please correct me if I'm wrong with my analysis, there will be 2 Ao? the original Ao that sacrificed himself so he could take Eureka's stead and he finally lived in a different universe and timeline at 2027 AD. The second Ao is the 2 year old that got left behind during this encounter and will grow up in a world without IFOs and scub bursts due to the first Ao's intervention. Well this is just hilarious! There are infinite numbers of Ao's and universes meh. This is why I don't like dimension skipping stuff Yes indeed, I am aware of the infinite universe and timeline but my concern is what will happen to the poor old 2 year old Ao that got left behind :c |
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triforcebih said: Itadakiimasu said: Yes indeed, I am aware of the infinite universe and timeline but my concern is what will happen to the poor old 2 year old Ao that got left behind :c It already happened. BONES happened xd I want to cry :c BONES WHY ARE YOU SO SKELLY AT WRITING... this ending gave a similar feeling to that of darker than black season 2 ending. |
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Itadakiimasu said: I've watched mindfuck animes before that have been far more cohesive.The anime itself is a paradox, did I just use the right word? pity to be Ao at the ending. I hope the Ao that gets born properly grows up well with both parents this time around. To those who didn't understand the ending, you guys need to watch more mindfuck anime. Please correct me if I'm wrong with my analysis, there will be 2 Ao? the original Ao that sacrificed himself so he could take Eureka's stead and he finally lived in a different universe and timeline at 2027 AD. The second Ao is the 2 year old that got left behind during this encounter and will grow up in a world without IFOs and scub bursts due to the first Ao's intervention. Well this is just hilarious! For that matter I've seen shows and movies better handle time travel paradoxes as well. There are several times in the anime where certain things follow one rule of time travel while other moments where they follow different rules of time travel. To a certain extent the show is very unclear whether it's time travel or multiple universes. Which can be two different things. Basically if a company wants to produce a show like this they have to have a sort of logic to it. Mind you the whole time travel aspect was just the tip of it. There are way to many times in Ao that they touch on things that they never expand. Not to mention poor relationship building between characters. Very rarely when I was watching the show did I get the impression that there was a sincere amount of concern between Ao and Fleur, or Elena or anyone else for that matter. There are a few moments where you see some strong connection between characters, but it's always short stopped and again never expanded on. Characters like Naru's family, or even Toshio Fukai (the grandpa care giver figure). You are introduced to so many characters that never develop past anything superficial. It just would've been nice if the characters were more then filler if you know what I mean. Like really who was Gazelle, and his friends... even after watching the entire show I still have no idea why I'm supposed to care who these characters are. They just sort of tagged along. To a certain degree that's what a lot of the characters feel like.... they are just tagging along with Ao, usually spouting the obvious. Maybe this is a result of such a large cast of characters and trying to characterize them in a short time span. Still by comparison I cared more for characters like Ray and Charles, and they made me care in fewer episodes. The characters had relevance to both the overall story and as part of Rentons character development. So the dissatisfaction with the series is ultimately more then just the ending. |
| These last two episodes made this anime... Brought a tear to my eye with Renton and Eureka... HNNNNNNGGGGG... SO MANY FEELS!!! |
Helladank said: Yeah but still doesn't do the original series justice. These last two episodes made this anime... Brought a tear to my eye with Renton and Eureka... HNNNNNNGGGGG... SO MANY FEELS!!! Not to mention why not have Eureka and Renton remain in the past with him? If the scubs have been prevented from traveling back in time, then they could live alongside him in a new time. I mean Renton was the guy who went to impossible lengths to be with Eureka. The Nirvash made that happen even. Yet for whatever reason the ending of Ao had to end this way? The best solution Renton could come up with in the end was destroying the origin of all scub (essentially that proposal implies he would've never met Eureka and never had a son either) before they could ever cover the entire world in his universe, and ultimately begin leaving to other planes. Not to mention... why all this fighting with the scubs???? That was RESOLVED in the original Eureka Seven. They left the physical plane of existence. Scubs knew better then to aggressively expand and take over the world, meld with people... the scubs had learned through the emotions engraved in the compact drive. So why not mediate with them again? This time to tell the scubs to stop traveling through time to infect earth earlier? THERE WAS SO MANY OTHER WAYS TO END THE SERIES.... possibilities that even made sense in respect to the original series. |
| I'm still in shock. What just happened? Did Bones just screw up another perfectly good franchise? I TRUSTED YOU THIS TIME BONES. I TRUSTED THAT YOU WOULD DELIVER A FRESH, ENTERTAINING E7 SEQUEL. Well, I guess that's what they did, in the end; minus the fresh part and making the entertainment stem from how bad it is. I'm going to rewatch E7 soon and wash the AO taste out of my mouth. Here's hoping that Zetsuen no Tempest doesn't go this route. |
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lkx said: The only common sense conclusion is that Ao removed himself from the timeline and restored everything to how it was supposed to happen without scub coral or secrets interfering the world events. (A timeline as described by Truth before he erased himself). . . . . By the look of the final scene, I think Ao will be just fine, even if nobody remembers him. What's important is that he remembers them! At the end of the day though.... is Ao's story worth remembering? I mean was it even really worth telling this story? That's all I have in mind personally. Other then the few highlights in it, I have little reason to care as a fan of Eureka Seven. Which I think is really unfortunate. I may come back and watch it in the future and enjoy it for what it is. Still that is something I'm not ready to subject myself to at the moment. |
| I don't know. But I'm kinda disappointed :( I kinda don't get it but I watched it twice to really understand it more. I feel sad for Ao. He sacrificed his self. That's so sad. As if he never existed .. this hurts my feelings .. esp. with the song that is playing in the end. |
| I know it's all happy and shit but I'm really really disappointed, what the hell did I just watched !!? |
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koolaid117 said: Just can't believe they made us wait 2 months for this. basicly the easiest way to put it is that the anime never happened, and thats the ending. kinda fitting as how bad bones messed it up, maybe they though the only way to salvage this anime was by making it not happen at all. I had hoped that they would've taken the two months off to refocus and just really bring about an ending that would do justice to the whole Renton reveal at the end of episode 22. Seriously they had two months to make a decent ending, and the best they could come with is making it so it didn't happen? They had the creative freedom to do absolutely anything. They could've had Renton and Eureka communicate with the scub and end their whole "time migration".... so many other potential endings. It was convoluted, contradicting and had plenty of plot holes, they could've done whatever.... but at the very least make it something fans could be content with. At least to justify watching to this point. |
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