Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Sotsu Episode 12 Discussion

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So we have:
Speedrun again. They didn't showed us how Akasaka\Kimiyoshi\Akane\Keichi got injected, the didn't showed us how it get to that point where they started killing Rika. So it's safe to say that Satoko have invisibility along with quicksave\quickload option, because arc with Akane is her first try yet she evades all of her attacks as it was her 100+ try...
We got a speedrun without details again. Sasuga Passione lmao

Sep 9, 2021 2:12 PM

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Now that Satoko has the plotmcguffin sword, wonder if theyll show her using its teleportation and reality warping powers.

Theres something weird about the sword.
Hanyuu = Oni
Sword = Kills Oni and is a gateway for Hanyuus 5th demensional pals (supposedly)

How is this thing supposed to Kill loopers?

It killing Rika makes sense. Since she must be part Oni herself.

Why would it kill Satoko?

And why is there a gurantee that it would kill anyone? Ouka spilled hanyuus guts with it, but woo hee shes fine now isnt she?

I doubt this mcguffin sword can kill anyone. A toothpick must be a more effective weapon. q

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Sep 9, 2021 2:18 PM

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Hulio said:

The first time Rika got killed was like that? Uhh... come on...
That's... That's not very Yamainu, let alone Takano like. They're more subtle and covert about their actions. Get her while she sleeps and so on.

I repeat, the creators never cared about OG. They neither read it nor watched it, because there's too much OOC

Hulio said:

First the dodging and then that CGI splatter.. Smh.
Also, why wouldn't Satoko just let her head roll off, why the effort? To show us she's badass or something?

So Satoko just happened to have a watch when spectating the drowning?
Are they trying to tell us she's been carrying one all the time?
Damn she's resourcefull.

They must show that Satoko is badass, even if it makes her look too dumb lmao. Whoever wrote this, should be fired

Hulio said:

Ok Satoko took the sword, one point I missed in GOU.. Will she now do that on every fragment? Will Rika get a shard everytime as well? I bet this was the only instance of this happening, but nonetheless, Yellow Gremlin will be in the possession of the sword and Rika will carry the shard through all the fragments.

Rika have shard in every word after, I guess. Because in episode with "gun in school", she had this shard iirc.
Also:
Where did Satoko store the sword? Why didn't Satoko seen that the piece of sword broken? Would've been fun if Rika did killed her in that exact fragment, too bad creators didn't have balls to do something creative
Not to mention that this sword was used to kill demons, to kill loopers. Who the fuck come up with that? I mean, to know that it could kill looper, you must know that whoever was killed with that was looper, and even more, you should somehow learn that he was done for good not just from this timeline. Like wtf, how could Hanyu know if it could kill loopers? I want to know...

Also, in Watadamashi sword wasn't there... So... can someone elaborate on this one?

Hulio said:

I wonder how Noriko felt doing this Eua role, repeating the same lines over and over again, barely saying anything else. The director really wants to force some things down to us.

They could just reuse her old lines smh

Hulio said:

Atleast the end was somewhat interesting, Hanyuu meeting with Eua. I wonder if anything will come out of it.

I wonder too. It have potential, but considerin literally everything else... I'd doubt it'll come to something interesting(
Not to mention how did Hanyu even get to Eua? Can someone explain this part to me? I mean, they're in different dimensions from what I understood.

Also, Satoko knows that Rika remembers, yet she literally said "It's me" and then got scared out of the blue with the box scene... SotsuGoutoko is really and imbecile lmao

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Sep 9, 2021 2:29 PM

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That was so good episode, i thought it was full recap of Nekodamashi from Satoko POV, gladly there was Hanyuu POV. I'm looking forward for Hanyuu and Eua conversation behind this recap next week lol.

Also no matter how good Satoko witch right now, Satoko still the reckless one.

Sep 9, 2021 2:30 PM

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Si1verR0se said:
Where did Satoko store the sword?

The same Magic Pocket where her gun is.

Would've been fun if Rika did killed her in that exact fragment, too bad creators didn't have balls to do something creative

No. It would have been funny and extremely ballsy move to let that sword drop on her.

Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids.

Sep 9, 2021 2:38 PM

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Hulio said:
No. It would have been funny and extremely ballsy move to let that sword drop on her.

It would've been god level of irony

Sep 9, 2021 3:05 PM

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Wtf, it's a disgrace we are being denied 4 full episodes with new content, we just had to repeat a bunch of stuff with 10 second extra scenes from Gou!

Still praying last 3 eps will be better.....

Sep 9, 2021 3:21 PM

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I was so worried this was the last episode!! Happy to see there are 15 episodes this season,I can't wait to see more Higurashi

Sep 9, 2021 3:28 PM

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Hey this is the same as the last season!

Now, count up your sins!

Sep 9, 2021 3:32 PM

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I liked part before opening started, and that wow when hanyuu's horn recovered o_O and last part, hanyuu vs eua incoming.

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Sep 9, 2021 3:47 PM

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I swear, if there's no whole season dedicated to Shitoko torturing after this shitshow..

Sep 9, 2021 4:31 PM

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Enerccio said:

Danpmss said:

Eh, approximately 10:47 minutes of recontextualized recaps with at least 3 minutes of new scenes (and since they blazed through Nekodamashi, those are much better than many of the revisited extended cuts from previous arcs, like in episode 8), 9:55 minutes of Hanyuu goodness (1 and a half minutes of which were actually recapped from Gou). 3 mins of OP/ED that can be left out of that ratio.

That's nowhere near 90% of the ep, stop exaggerating.

First 5 minutes. Then everything else is recap or satoko being satoko which is pointless. Then last 30 seconds. Sure, I wasn't exact quoting 90% but it felt like that. If that is 5/5 anime for you, what the fuck dude.

You hit the nail bang on the head here. Even for someone like me who was enjoying SOTSU, this episode was massively disappointing. The only upside is that we get to see more backstory for Hanyuu and they set up next episode nicely in the last 30 seconds.

Sep 9, 2021 4:32 PM

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This was a great episode, now things start to get warm. This was basically the episodes 19-20 (if I remember) of Higurashi gou. But let's remember the end of Higurashi gou **SPOILER ALERT**:

Rika won this battle against the Hinamizawa curse, is this the sign the story will close when Rika and Satoko go to that school (I forgot the name)? Let's remember episode 10 of Sotsu where the demon Satoko killed the real Satoko. Will this "happy end" we saw on Higurashi gou happen again?

At this point, I'm questioning if the anime will come to an end. There are like, a thousand of mangas so I really don't know if sotsu will come to a happy end. Are they planning a new season for Higurashi? The end of Sotsu is at the end of this month, let's see what will happen.

Sep 9, 2021 4:41 PM

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Censorship in this anime is weird

another amazing ep. cant wait for next week

Sep 9, 2021 4:43 PM

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Ofcourse they're gonna recap Rika's any% speedrun. Because why not?

They pretty much did some scene by scene recap up to this point anyway.

Sep 9, 2021 4:44 PM

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So if we take Hanyuu's story as it is told here then she knew from the very first loop that Takano and Yamainu are the culprits. Lol?Okay.So she is just a bitch.

"You never gave up"
Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi.

Discount recap of Kai's end. Cant say I am surprised.
Rika perfectly explaining why the plot of Sotugou is bullshit.

And damn we were so close at Satoko getting killed...tch.No wound later on...okay...

Bwahahaha, Satoko avoiding a katana like a master....Bruh this director.

"There are no better storytellers that you"-Eua

Tohya ,Ikuko, Beatrice, Eva and who knows how many Forgers - *triggered*.

I wonder if we got even 5 minutes of new content without all those OG and Gou recaps from different angles.

And seeing the same uncensored scenes we saw now censored is just silly.Not the fault of the studio but come on.

Enerccio said:
People who rated this 5/5, what drugs do you do and can you give me a number for your supplier? This was shittiest episode so far. 90% ripped stuff from gou. Pointless, why did I waste 5 minutes of my life to mostly skip whole episode?

The fact that each new ep is worse than the previous ones and people still call them "awesome", "5/5", "amazing" means that the only explanation is certainly an unknown, Knox prohibited drug.

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I cant take this anymore.

After 11 whole episodes of recaps I thought we finally can resume the actual plot that had been put on hold for 20 or something episodes now.
But they actually did it and felt it necessary to show us the exact same things from the rika killing speedrun arc yet again as well throughout the entire episode with nothing of substance to add to it other than yes, satoko did it. I think after all this time even the most disengaged of people should have gotten the point by now.
I genuinely cannot believe the lack of selfawareness it takes as a director / writer or whoever is responsible for this to go through with a structure of a season this fundamentally flawed and disrespectful towards the audiences time and patience.

This is not how you construct this type of question arc / answer arc formular.
Directly going back to previous parts of the story and just spoonfeed the audience "answers" by saying "this is exactly how that happened, this is exactly how this happened" is the most lamest and boring narrative structure you can possibly think of.
Ryukishi understood this from the very beginning and wrote the answers arcs of the og higurashi to be relatively profound, with substance, as their own stories with their own new things to say while carefully supplementing the answers arcs they are parallels to.

Absolutely none of that is present here. The timeloop plot here is used as the most blatant excuse to save money by just recycling the same scenes again that I have ever seen in media so far.
Just what the heck happened?
Im a silent spectator when it comes to watching series but this has pushed even me to finally vent my fustration here. What a disappointment.

Director-san must really think of the audience as complete morons....which I can understand since so many act as if these are good or needed.

I TOLD Y'ALL THAT THE EXCUSES FOR RIKA AND HANYUU DON'T FLY LAST WEEK.

Seriously, almost everything I said in last week's episode discussion was proven to be true in this episode.

"Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi." - You don't get to determine this on your own. It was never explicitly stated Rika had given up. That was what you assumed.

All of this is to say...there were flaws in this story FROM THE BEGINNING. Stop pretending that GOU/SOTSU have ruined all logic in this show as if the OG was perfect to begin with.

Sep 9, 2021 4:49 PM

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Rika had moments that were very impacting the way she looked for the sword left by Hanyuu was very sad and tense she really wanted to be killed using the piece of the sword, Satoko keeps destroying Rika's life.

Sep 9, 2021 4:50 PM

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Si1verR0se said:

Hulio said:

The first time Rika got killed was like that? Uhh... come on...
That's... That's not very Yamainu, let alone Takano like. They're more subtle and covert about their actions. Get her while she sleeps and so on.

I repeat, the creators never cared about OG. They neither read it nor watched it, because there's too much OOC

Hulio said:

First the dodging and then that CGI splatter.. Smh.
Also, why wouldn't Satoko just let her head roll off, why the effort? To show us she's badass or something?

So Satoko just happened to have a watch when spectating the drowning?
Are they trying to tell us she's been carrying one all the time?
Damn she's resourcefull.

They must show that Satoko is badass, even if it makes her look too dumb lmao. Whoever wrote this, should be fired

Hulio said:

Ok Satoko took the sword, one point I missed in GOU.. Will she now do that on every fragment? Will Rika get a shard everytime as well? I bet this was the only instance of this happening, but nonetheless, Yellow Gremlin will be in the possession of the sword and Rika will carry the shard through all the fragments.

Rika have shard in every word after, I guess. Because in episode with "gun in school", she had this shard iirc.
Also:
Where did Satoko store the sword? Why didn't Satoko seen that the piece of sword broken? Would've been fun if Rika did killed her in that exact fragment, too bad creators didn't have balls to do something creative
Not to mention that this sword was used to kill demons, to kill loopers. Who the fuck come up with that? I mean, to know that it could kill looper, you must know that whoever was killed with that was looper, and even more, you should somehow learn that he was done for good not just from this timeline. Like wtf, how could Hanyu know if it could kill loopers? I want to know...

Also, in Watadamashi sword wasn't there... So... can someone elaborate on this one?

Hulio said:

I wonder how Noriko felt doing this Eua role, repeating the same lines over and over again, barely saying anything else. The director really wants to force some things down to us.

They could just reuse her old lines smh

Hulio said:

Atleast the end was somewhat interesting, Hanyuu meeting with Eua. I wonder if anything will come out of it.

I wonder too. It have potential, but considerin literally everything else... I'd doubt it'll come to something interesting(
Not to mention how did Hanyu even get to Eua? Can someone explain this part to me? I mean, they're in different dimensions from what I understood.

Also, Satoko knows that Rika remembers, yet she literally said "It's me" and then got scared out of the blue with the box scene... SotsuGoutoko is really and imbecile lmao

Sorry to break it to you chief...but Ryukushi literally wrote the story for GOU/SOTSU.

Sep 9, 2021 4:57 PM

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SkyhighCFC said:

Si1verR0se said:

I repeat, the creators never cared about OG. They neither read it nor watched it, because there's too much OOC

They must show that Satoko is badass, even if it makes her look too dumb lmao. Whoever wrote this, should be fired

Rika have shard in every word after, I guess. Because in episode with "gun in school", she had this shard iirc.
Also:
Where did Satoko store the sword? Why didn't Satoko seen that the piece of sword broken? Would've been fun if Rika did killed her in that exact fragment, too bad creators didn't have balls to do something creative
Not to mention that this sword was used to kill demons, to kill loopers. Who the fuck come up with that? I mean, to know that it could kill looper, you must know that whoever was killed with that was looper, and even more, you should somehow learn that he was done for good not just from this timeline. Like wtf, how could Hanyu know if it could kill loopers? I want to know...

Also, in Watadamashi sword wasn't there... So... can someone elaborate on this one?

They could just reuse her old lines smh

I wonder too. It have potential, but considerin literally everything else... I'd doubt it'll come to something interesting(
Not to mention how did Hanyu even get to Eua? Can someone explain this part to me? I mean, they're in different dimensions from what I understood.

Also, Satoko knows that Rika remembers, yet she literally said "It's me" and then got scared out of the blue with the box scene... SotsuGoutoko is really and imbecile lmao

Sorry to break it to you chief...but Ryukushi literally wrote the story for GOU/SOTSU.

Sorry to break it to you, but his script was adapted(and changed) by Passione and Naoki Hayashi, and Ryukishi said it himself in an interview, so...
Btw, it's still not an excuse to this questionable plot and very questionable writing. If it's all Ryukishi's, then I have bad news for people who waiting for Ciconia phase 2 lol

Sep 9, 2021 5:14 PM

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Si1verR0se said:

SkyhighCFC said:

Si1verR0se said:

Hulio said:

The first time Rika got killed was like that? Uhh... come on...
That's... That's not very Yamainu, let alone Takano like. They're more subtle and covert about their actions. Get her while she sleeps and so on.

I repeat, the creators never cared about OG. They neither read it nor watched it, because there's too much OOC

Hulio said:

First the dodging and then that CGI splatter.. Smh.
Also, why wouldn't Satoko just let her head roll off, why the effort? To show us she's badass or something?

So Satoko just happened to have a watch when spectating the drowning?
Are they trying to tell us she's been carrying one all the time?
Damn she's resourcefull.

They must show that Satoko is badass, even if it makes her look too dumb lmao. Whoever wrote this, should be fired

Hulio said:

Ok Satoko took the sword, one point I missed in GOU.. Will she now do that on every fragment? Will Rika get a shard everytime as well? I bet this was the only instance of this happening, but nonetheless, Yellow Gremlin will be in the possession of the sword and Rika will carry the shard through all the fragments.

Rika have shard in every word after, I guess. Because in episode with "gun in school", she had this shard iirc.
Also:
Where did Satoko store the sword? Why didn't Satoko seen that the piece of sword broken? Would've been fun if Rika did killed her in that exact fragment, too bad creators didn't have balls to do something creative
Not to mention that this sword was used to kill demons, to kill loopers. Who the fuck come up with that? I mean, to know that it could kill looper, you must know that whoever was killed with that was looper, and even more, you should somehow learn that he was done for good not just from this timeline. Like wtf, how could Hanyu know if it could kill loopers? I want to know...

Also, in Watadamashi sword wasn't there... So... can someone elaborate on this one?

Hulio said:

I wonder how Noriko felt doing this Eua role, repeating the same lines over and over again, barely saying anything else. The director really wants to force some things down to us.

They could just reuse her old lines smh

Hulio said:

Atleast the end was somewhat interesting, Hanyuu meeting with Eua. I wonder if anything will come out of it.

I wonder too. It have potential, but considerin literally everything else... I'd doubt it'll come to something interesting(
Not to mention how did Hanyu even get to Eua? Can someone explain this part to me? I mean, they're in different dimensions from what I understood.

Also, Satoko knows that Rika remembers, yet she literally said "It's me" and then got scared out of the blue with the box scene... SotsuGoutoko is really and imbecile lmao

Sorry to break it to you chief...but Ryukushi literally wrote the story for GOU/SOTSU.

Sorry to break it to you, but his script was adapted(and changed) by Passione and Naoki Hayashi, and Ryukishi said it himself in an interview, so...
Btw, it's still not an excuse to this questionable plot and very questionable writing. If it's all Ryukishi's, then I have bad news for people who waiting for Ciconia phase 2 lol

Oh, don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying you didn't have a point or that this is necessarily good writing. I'm saying that if you have a problem with the "creators" and the writing, then the blame has to go to Ryukushi.

Even if Passione changed some of his script, I'm pretty sure it still had to be signed off by him. So unless it's a case where he had no creative control over it, he still has to take some blame.

Sep 9, 2021 5:44 PM

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Oof this was so bad... every week I hope the show will finally improve and it just keeps getting worse. I can't comprehend how anyone could sign off on an entire season of recap and filler.

Part of me hates the idea of another season, but at the same time, I've no idea how they're gonna wrap this up in 3 episodes. I really hope it won't end up being rushed and sloppy after so many episodes of slow pacing and redundant exposition.

Sep 9, 2021 6:21 PM

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that was a bloody mess episode. Rika has its limit

get that shaft vibe

Sep 9, 2021 7:59 PM

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Hanyuu is my favorite character and this episode really disappointed me. She acknowledges her role in Rika's suffering, but hangs Rika out to dry when she needs her the most. Hanyuu has existed for centuries and still has the communication skills of a potato.

Laplace_kun said:
Also she has the benefit of CCTV to know whatever happens between Rika and Hanyuu. All these convenient cheats she has takes away all sort of her appeal even as a bitchy antagonistic character. Cannot believe I might like Myne from Shield Hero better after this because she's better written.

This is easily the most annoying part of this series. Watching Rika and Hanyuu struggle for so many seasons to piece anything at all together, then watching Satoko and Eua spend this season looking at TraumaTube. How will the egregious power imbalance between these characters be handled in 3 more episodes, especially now that Hanyuu has suddenly utilized Plot Magic to repair her horn? Like damn, this series is really demanding that I pretend I fever dreamed the good storytelling that it used to have

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Haunt-bot said:

-Rika and Satoko trying to stab each other with the looper killer knife

Good luck with that, they established this episode Satoko is a ninja.

Lmao for real. The skill Akane has with her sword at L5 is pretty damn good, but Satoko's role in the Gousotsu plot is basically to be a ""better"" Oyashiro than Takano.

Sep 9, 2021 8:00 PM

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I liked episode 14 of gou and hated 15 so this was weird.

The hanyuu part was interesting at first until I realized they are gonna just recap higurashi kai and play the opening for 7+ minutes.

A lot of recap and stuff we've already seen in gou. But the last part with hanyuu and eua was more interesting than everything else in my opinion

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Sep 9, 2021 8:11 PM

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Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the end of Kai, Takano missed that shot didn't she? So is this a retcon or Hanyuu disappeared for another reason that wasn't being shot?

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Sep 9, 2021 9:49 PM

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I hope next 3 episodes are worth the endless and pointless filler and reuse, would kms otherwise

Sep 9, 2021 10:08 PM

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VelosBR said:
Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the end of Kai, Takano missed that shot didn't she? So is this a retcon or Hanyuu disappeared for another reason that wasn't being shot?

She missed here as well. Hanyuu disappeared for a completely different reason.

SkyhighCFC said:

ssjokg said:
So if we take Hanyuu's story as it is told here then she knew from the very first loop that Takano and Yamainu are the culprits. Lol?Okay.So she is just a bitch.

"You never gave up"
Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi.

Discount recap of Kai's end. Cant say I am surprised.
Rika perfectly explaining why the plot of Sotugou is bullshit.

And damn we were so close at Satoko getting killed...tch.No wound later on...okay...

Bwahahaha, Satoko avoiding a katana like a master....Bruh this director.

"There are no better storytellers that you"-Eua

Tohya ,Ikuko, Beatrice, Eva and who knows how many Forgers - *triggered*.

I wonder if we got even 5 minutes of new content without all those OG and Gou recaps from different angles.

And seeing the same uncensored scenes we saw now censored is just silly.Not the fault of the studio but come on.

The fact that each new ep is worse than the previous ones and people still call them "awesome", "5/5", "amazing" means that the only explanation is certainly an unknown, Knox prohibited drug.

Director-san must really think of the audience as complete morons....which I can understand since so many act as if these are good or needed.

I TOLD Y'ALL THAT THE EXCUSES FOR RIKA AND HANYUU DON'T FLY LAST WEEK.

Seriously, almost everything I said in last week's episode discussion was proven to be true in this episode.

"Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi." - You don't get to determine this on your own. It was never explicitly stated Rika had given up. That was what you assumed.

All of this is to say...there were flaws in this story FROM THE BEGINNING. Stop pretending that GOU/SOTSU have ruined all logic in this show as if the OG was perfect to begin with.

Rika acknowledged that Keichi, and to am extend the others, taught her that there is hope and miracles happen.

That is clearly stated.

Sep 9, 2021 10:53 PM

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Honestly, this is reminding me more and more of Haruhi Suzumiya's Endless 8 Arc. They kept showing the same episodes but with little differences, and people got sick of it, and even started hating it. And this was 12 years ago.

The present situation is almost exactly the same as that one, they keep recapping the scenes, and changing very little(even if the little new scenes we get are still good), even after the major loops/arcs have been recapped already.

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Sep 10, 2021 12:00 AM

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This remake sequel was a mistake. I can only feel sorry for WTC fans at this point.

Also FUCK NO! With only 3 episodes remaining, do not tell me this shitshow is gonna continue for yet another season.

Anyways, what else to say? Another awful episode. It literally summarized Eps. 14 and 15 of GOU with the only "good" aspect being that the lame loli torture porn didn't last that long this time. Infamous "intestines" long-ass sequence has yet to happen tho.

So... what do we have here?
-Satoko never checking or asking herself why the sword was broken/had a missing piece. By the way, don't ask me why said sword didn't shatter into pieces once it struck the floor if it was already that fragile.
-Satoko receiving a clear cut on the cheek yet it disappeared in her next scene.
-Satoko being a ninja as well as an actress deserving of an Oscar. She dodged Akane's katana as the best of shounen MCs and made a delirious and unpredictable asf Keiichi believe she was dead at Angel Mort. All in the same episode!
-Once again, they didn't bother in explaining how Satoko managed to inject Akasaka and the others. How could they tho? So let's just imagine that under all those clothes, they are all as thicc as Mion.
-More nonsensical censorship GOU didn't have.
-Hanyuu aka "This is farewell, Rika... Lol, just joking xD"
-No baby Rika nipaa~. This point particularly hurts me.

We at least got some head tilts (Passione ver.) tho.

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Sep 10, 2021 12:57 AM

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ssjokg said:
Director-san must really think of the audience as complete morons....which I can understand since so many act as if these are good or needed.

This is what happens when you get a director (who fucked up Island's adaptation btw) whose only experience is with romcoms and make him direct what's supposed to be a horror-mystery anime original of a 20-year-old sound novel franchise, of which the creator himself has completely forgotten the original message of his own story.

It's literal insanity. At least something like Mayoiga was made bad on purpose only for it to vanish from people's memories once it finished. It feels like Ryukishi is trying to do that, too, but for the memes. Which is baffling because all the memes so far have been making fun of it, I cannot comprehend how any creator would be okay with violating their creation for something so temporary and fleeting as memetic clout.

Sep 10, 2021 1:45 AM

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Ive seen some people talking about how this ep makes Kotohogushi cannon on other sites.

It doesnt. Ouka killing Hanyuu was first introduced in Miotsukushi in the PS2 Kakera Asobi game. Not Kotohogushi, which was introduced in Higurashi Kizuna 4 for the DS

Kotohogushi is not cannon, because it was put together using written records in the Furude Shrine, and is most likely an exaggerated folk tale than an actual story.

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Ive also seen people saying that Eua is Ouka.

Rika is the reincarnation of Ouka.

Sep 10, 2021 2:18 AM

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The only good scene is akane vs satoko and that cliffhanger tbh (aka the only scenes that are not a recap)

Sep 10, 2021 3:03 AM

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What an exhausting episode. I've also lost my patience with this. I found it kind of endearing seeing Satoko being the mastermind and there was a time, where I would have tried to defend the existence of Gou and Sotsu, but all of Sotsu was just a reaffirmation that Satoko did it all. Which is really boring if that's all you want to convey. I hoped there could be something we missed, but nope, except maybe for that one moment where SHE was responsible for Teppeis death (too) there is nothing new we learned. It's like the writers expect me to be shocked that Satoko turned into this vile person, while I'm internally screaming after seeing that stupid shrine dance from Rika again. KyoAni at least had the decency to reanimate the episodes of Endless Eight. Sotsu keeps reusing old animations and being lazy. Before I would have argued that reusing animations could have been done to reinforce the irony of specific situations(?), but I really didn't need to see this episode if the only thing I'm seeing is pointless gore with that five extra seconds of Satoko somehow witnessing everything and snapping, since that was so cool the last 20 times we saw it.

I really think this could have been cool, with the themes it set up in Gou, but after seeing Satoko taking the syringe it all was pretty clear from there. I still had hopes that Sotsu would try to tackle the internal conflict of Satoko. Might as well if this is supposed to be the prequel story of Lambdadelta and Bernkastel. Make it the same thing like Eva and EVA-Beatrice, but yeah no. We got that one scene in the fragment world, that lasted for a whopping 3 minutes until we got to someone brutally murdering someone again. Can I say, that I find it kind of annoying how the studio or writer feels the need to outperform the original anime when it comes to edge and violence? Sure, it was there, but it had a purpose and here it feels more like they really need to put it in, since it's Higurashi and people only know it for that (which is kind of sad). I say this, because we will probably see that whole Satoko crushing a ritual hoe on Rika again. After her reveal as a mastermind I thought this moment would be crucial for her internal conflict and her breaking point, but after all the prior episodes I don't even care anymore and it will probably consist of 10 extra seconds before the actual happening, which is unfortunate.
There are also those "small" moments that just take you out of the experience. Why does Teppei not run away while Satoko is waving a gun in his direction?
How did Mion not realize she was being injected by Satoko?
Why does Satoko think, that Rika will stay in Hinamizawa if she just keeps breaking her?
And why do they keep showing scenes of Eua, if the only thing she does is laugh and say that she feels entertained by everything? It's like being conveyed the same shit over and over again, like it would matter. At the best this is lazy foreshadowing for a moment, where she will do something crazy once she gets bored.

I really wanted this to be good and maybe there still is something coming that might raise my enjoyment, but this is miles away from Umineko and still way too far from the old Higurashi. The only thing I appreciated was that they showed the entire backstory from Rena, that was cut short in the original Anime and that fragment world moment with the two Satokos, even if short-lived.

Sep 10, 2021 3:50 AM

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Probably the worst episode of Sotsu with 60% reused scenes

Hanyuu scene was nice, Rei is cannon?

The next ep probably will be the Satoko Watanagashi with a monologue

Sep 10, 2021 4:41 AM

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daniboi1 said:

Rei is cannon?

Was it ever not cannon? There was never any indication of it not being cannon.

The only time its cannonicty was questioned, was by people who want Rika to turn into Bernkastel by the end of this.

Sep 10, 2021 5:11 AM

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I like some Hanyuu backstory.

So what happened in Gou it's all makes sense now, it's all Satoko Fault.

But the Censorship, Why???
We seen it Uncensored in Gou. WTF is this?

davidyodo24Sep 10, 2021 5:20 AM

Sep 10, 2021 5:21 AM

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Everyone just being mad instead of thinking of theory's of what happen the 2 or 1m+ minutes.

When Satoko took out the sword and it broken she thought that since the shard was at the bottom and it's a tiny shird, she thought "Rika without the sword can do nothing, only the sword itself has powers".

Yes the shard is part of the sword but she thought that the sword was the only thing that could kill her and a tiny shard couldn't do nothing, it could also be a wirting flaw in there as well. Second, the material of the sword, is simple to explain, there are plenty of swords with thousands of years and in very good condition (the sword doesn't seem to be made of clay) condition. Why the sword wasn't there in watadamashi?

The reason could be that you can repair a sword, maybe that happen or maybe it was a flaw it could be both of them. Hanyu recovered her powers by destroying every single fragment she created with rika and absorbed to repair her horn. And by doing that she left rika find where Eua is and to face her in a final battle.

This is my theory after watching this episode.

UltimatMaxSep 10, 2021 5:24 AM

Shiki is the best anime and unique with his style design, you can't change my mind from it

Sep 10, 2021 5:41 AM

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good Episode, lets see how the remaining 3 gna be.

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Sep 10, 2021 6:44 AM

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ssjokg said:

VelosBR said:
Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the end of Kai, Takano missed that shot didn't she? So is this a retcon or Hanyuu disappeared for another reason that wasn't being shot?

She missed here as well. Hanyuu disappeared for a completely different reason.

SkyhighCFC said:

ssjokg said:
So if we take Hanyuu's story as it is told here then she knew from the very first loop that Takano and Yamainu are the culprits. Lol?Okay.So she is just a bitch.

"You never gave up"
Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi.

Discount recap of Kai's end. Cant say I am surprised.
Rika perfectly explaining why the plot of Sotugou is bullshit.

And damn we were so close at Satoko getting killed...tch.No wound later on...okay...

Bwahahaha, Satoko avoiding a katana like a master....Bruh this director.

"There are no better storytellers that you"-Eua

Tohya ,Ikuko, Beatrice, Eva and who knows how many Forgers - *triggered*.

I wonder if we got even 5 minutes of new content without all those OG and Gou recaps from different angles.

And seeing the same uncensored scenes we saw now censored is just silly.Not the fault of the studio but come on.

Enerccio said:
People who rated this 5/5, what drugs do you do and can you give me a number for your supplier? This was shittiest episode so far. 90% ripped stuff from gou. Pointless, why did I waste 5 minutes of my life to mostly skip whole episode?

The fact that each new ep is worse than the previous ones and people still call them "awesome", "5/5", "amazing" means that the only explanation is certainly an unknown, Knox prohibited drug.

Vell- said:
I cant take this anymore.

After 11 whole episodes of recaps I thought we finally can resume the actual plot that had been put on hold for 20 or something episodes now.
But they actually did it and felt it necessary to show us the exact same things from the rika killing speedrun arc yet again as well throughout the entire episode with nothing of substance to add to it other than yes, satoko did it. I think after all this time even the most disengaged of people should have gotten the point by now.
I genuinely cannot believe the lack of selfawareness it takes as a director / writer or whoever is responsible for this to go through with a structure of a season this fundamentally flawed and disrespectful towards the audiences time and patience.

This is not how you construct this type of question arc / answer arc formular.
Directly going back to previous parts of the story and just spoonfeed the audience "answers" by saying "this is exactly how that happened, this is exactly how this happened" is the most lamest and boring narrative structure you can possibly think of.
Ryukishi understood this from the very beginning and wrote the answers arcs of the og higurashi to be relatively profound, with substance, as their own stories with their own new things to say while carefully supplementing the answers arcs they are parallels to.

Absolutely none of that is present here. The timeloop plot here is used as the most blatant excuse to save money by just recycling the same scenes again that I have ever seen in media so far.
Just what the heck happened?
Im a silent spectator when it comes to watching series but this has pushed even me to finally vent my fustration here. What a disappointment.

Director-san must really think of the audience as complete morons....which I can understand since so many act as if these are good or needed.

I TOLD Y'ALL THAT THE EXCUSES FOR RIKA AND HANYUU DON'T FLY LAST WEEK.

Seriously, almost everything I said in last week's episode discussion was proven to be true in this episode.

"Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi." - You don't get to determine this on your own. It was never explicitly stated Rika had given up. That was what you assumed.

All of this is to say...there were flaws in this story FROM THE BEGINNING. Stop pretending that GOU/SOTSU have ruined all logic in this show as if the OG was perfect to begin with.

Rika acknowledged that Keichi, and to am extend the others, taught her that there is hope and miracles happen.

That is clearly stated.

That isn't the same as "she had already given up though". In the OG anime, (not sure if they may have changed some things from the VN) she seemed a bit too optimistic for someone who would've completely given up...even in the beginning.

Sep 10, 2021 7:02 AM

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Mizu said:
Hanyuu is my favorite character and this episode really disappointed me. She acknowledges her role in Rika's suffering, but hangs Rika out to dry when she needs her the most. Hanyuu has existed for centuries and still has the communication skills of a potato.

Laplace_kun said:
Also she has the benefit of CCTV to know whatever happens between Rika and Hanyuu. All these convenient cheats she has takes away all sort of her appeal even as a bitchy antagonistic character. Cannot believe I might like Myne from Shield Hero better after this because she's better written.

This is easily the most annoying part of this series. Watching Rika and Hanyuu struggle for so many seasons to piece anything at all together, then watching Satoko and Eua spend this season looking at TraumaTube. How will the egregious power imbalance between these characters be handled in 3 more episodes, especially now that Hanyuu has suddenly utilized Plot Magic to repair her horn? Like damn, this series is really demanding that I pretend I fever dreamed the good storytelling that it used to have

Jin_uzuki said:

Good luck with that, they established this episode Satoko is a ninja.

Lmao for real. The skill Akane has with her sword at L5 is pretty damn good, but Satoko's role in the Gousotsu plot is basically to be a ""better"" Oyashiro than Takano.

- Hanyuu's character was always flawed. How are some of you lot only now just clocking this in GOU/SOTSU?

"this series is really demanding that I pretend I fever dreamed the good storytelling that it used to have" - as if the OG story didn't have it's fair share of plot conveniences and inconsistencies to begin with...

Sep 10, 2021 7:44 AM

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woowee another recap episode of rika getting murdered over and over
now hanyuu is back to kick bba's ass and evil satoko and good satoko are going to have an inner struggle in which good will eventually overcome and all is right in the world again. except for the last second exciting cliffhanger of evil satoko in lambdadelta clothing watching a shard with a grin on her face

Sep 10, 2021 7:54 AM

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SkyhighCFC said:

Mizu said:
Hanyuu is my favorite character and this episode really disappointed me. She acknowledges her role in Rika's suffering, but hangs Rika out to dry when she needs her the most. Hanyuu has existed for centuries and still has the communication skills of a potato.

This is easily the most annoying part of this series. Watching Rika and Hanyuu struggle for so many seasons to piece anything at all together, then watching Satoko and Eua spend this season looking at TraumaTube. How will the egregious power imbalance between these characters be handled in 3 more episodes, especially now that Hanyuu has suddenly utilized Plot Magic to repair her horn? Like damn, this series is really demanding that I pretend I fever dreamed the good storytelling that it used to have

Lmao for real. The skill Akane has with her sword at L5 is pretty damn good, but Satoko's role in the Gousotsu plot is basically to be a ""better"" Oyashiro than Takano.

- Hanyuu's character was always flawed. How are some of you lot only now just clocking this in GOU/SOTSU?

"this series is really demanding that I pretend I fever dreamed the good storytelling that it used to have" - as if the OG story didn't have it's fair share of plot conveniences and inconsistencies to begin with...

You're implying that I don't know my favorite character is flawed, which is false. I'm allowed to like this purple haired trainwreck. The storytelling in Kai is superior to Gousotsu and this isn't a hot take by any means. Of course there was plot conveniences and inconsistencies in the OG, but it'd be pretty disingenuous to say that they were on par with the ones presented in Gousotsu. I know this series is flawed and nowhere have I said the OG was without faults lol

Sep 10, 2021 8:02 AM

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SkyhighCFC said:
I TOLD Y'ALL THAT THE EXCUSES FOR RIKA AND HANYUU DON'T FLY LAST WEEK.

Seriously, almost everything I said in last week's episode discussion was proven to be true in this episode.

"Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi." - You don't get to determine this on your own. It was never explicitly stated Rika had given up. That was what you assumed.

All of this is to say...there were flaws in this story FROM THE BEGINNING. Stop pretending that GOU/SOTSU have ruined all logic in this show as if the OG was perfect to begin with.

No, Rika most definitely did give up at one point, but please, don't ask me to find the exact scene where it is stated, I'm not like some people in here who can just summon the exact Deen/VN scenes when asked for.

Also, I guess this is just me, but personally, I'd wish people didn't take this GouSotsu as something, which by saying thing X, it immediately means it's the truth and retcons the OG story if necessary.
I really hate this modern day style of "retconning everything", be it Higurashi or DB Super or whatever... Can't people just stick with the source material.

SkyhighCFC said:
Sorry to break it to you chief...but Ryukushi literally wrote the story for GOU/SOTSU.

At this point... I honestly don't even know anymore.. did he? Where does it say he did?

Some day ago I was trying to find some info about who is writing GouSotsu, but every single instance I found, titled R07 only as the "Original Creator".
Writing/Script was always either left blank, or had someone else's name on it.

Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids.

Sep 10, 2021 8:27 AM

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