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| I thought it was pretty good episode. There are obviously using Gundam tropes but I think it uses them well. Everything from the animation and the music was great. Also nice twist at the end. Overall, I will definitely be watching this. Definitely better than Majestic Prince by far. I think it is up there with Gargantia at least for me. I NEED THAT OPENING! |
graymoontsuki said: wait usually when someone is buried, you try to dig them out instead of running off into a robot That's SO not the anime way of doing things. All real life logic gets left at the door. ;) Anyway as many pointed it out, this show does have a Code Geass/Gundam feel. The vampire aspects have me intrigued, so I'm going to stick with it. Personally, I think Gargantia is the stronger series of the two based on my first impressions. |
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symbv said: Cool, I guess I got the L/R condition from listening to too much Japanese these days ;-) So do you agree that L-11 said "Lieselotte" not "D-Zero" after he stabbed and shot the MC? To me, it sounds like "D-Zeroって". って=tte in Japanese, which is the short form of と/と言います. (Although, there are other uses of ~tte....) It's usually referring to quotations. So, it's like, "I win again, D-Zero." Edit: And to be clear, I've replayed this scene many times and he always says "D-Zero" to me. I really need to brush up on my JLPT level 3 Japanese.... My semester ended before covering this. |
BokuranokisekiApr 13, 2013 12:04 PM
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silver_huskey said: graymoontsuki said: wait usually when someone is buried, you try to dig them out instead of running off into a robot That's SO not the anime way of doing things. All real life logic gets left at the door. ;) The ground was levelled, I don't think there was much he could do... |
graymoontsuki said: wait usually when someone is buried, you try to dig them out instead of running off into a robot but sometimes if a bunch of shitbags took away someone you care about one would jump into a robot and kill those fuckers UtsukushiiYume said: The ground was levelled, I don't think there was much he could do... ^ this |
symbv said: Remember L-11 got upset when he overheard the MC talk about better to share not to fight to win or lose? He got pretty tense when he told the MC that if you are pushed back you have to fight and not let go. I wonder if this has any link to the person Lieserotte he mentioned later. The name D-Zero did stand out to me as well, since the German word for "zero" is "null" and so, shouldn't it have been D-null? The thing that really stood out to me with the confrontation between L-11 and the MC, was the word "half". That word really seemed to resonate with L-11 and they emphasized it by having it repeated. Then he talked about separating things that shouldn't be separated, and I kept thinking back to the German/Space Nazi motif they seem to have going here and maybe "half" has more to do with his background or was a slur used on him as a child? Like he was a "half-breed" or something? Its just a theory, but for something that would totally take his mind off the mission like that, it had to be a serious open wound from his past, or a large chip on his shoulder. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: - I think L-11 said D-Zero which seems like a codename similar to them. So it's a possibility that he knew the MC beforehand and held some kind of grudge judging from his actions.We will just have to wait for the next episodes. That was my initial impression when he first said, "D-Zero". If this was the case, he pretended real well on not being familiar with Hirato. (Like a Road Kamelot scenario, which is only understandable if you read D.Gray-Man manga. A character who Another scenario is the codename given to whoever becomes this Valvrave's pilot, but, that's a bit too simple/boring to me. Giving Hirato this codename makes sense though in the form of a grudge due to Haruto's "neutral" personality. "Hey! I hate your pacifist peaceful thinking mindset!! I'll demote you to null cause that suits you! HA!!" =__=;; Yet, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. (Valvrave's staff are DGM fans, but I doubt they'll put any of Hoshino's ideas into play here...., which are a lot more interesting than most Sunrise anime for sure. I'll give them Valvrave's vampire thing, which is clearly a Hoshino influence.) We'll definitely have to wait and see. Edit: Irenesharda said: The thing that really stood out to me with the confrontation between L-11 and the MC, was the word "half". That word really seemed to resonate with L-11 and they emphasized it by having it repeated. Then he talked about separating things that shouldn't be separated, and I kept thinking back to the German/Space Nazi motif they seem to have going here and maybe "half" has more to do with his background or was a slur used on him as a child? Like he was a "half-breed" or something? Its just a theory, but for something that would totally take his mind off the mission like that, it had to be a serious open wound from his past, or a large chip on his shoulder. Interesting to note. There is a word to call mixed Japanese people, which is simply borrowing the English word, "half". So, it comes off as "ハーフ" (haafu). |
BokuranokisekiApr 13, 2013 12:38 PM
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| That was pretty exciting! It's very overdramatic but that's what I love about Sunrise shows. It was interesting how the robot asked him to relinquish his humanity, and then the two needles probed him. I cringed there. It was a nice touch to the episode. AND OMG JUST WATCHED THE ENDING HE'S A VAMPIRE?!?!? |
ricardo-saito said: Im still wondering where is Kira Yamato (aka JESUS). fixed |
fdsfgs said: I'm pretty sure D-Zero was a mistake on gg's part, because IMO it sounds more like he's saying Lieselotte or something. Edit: And Crunchy's subs have "Lieselotte" as well. Hmm.. Well, it can go either way in this case if Crunchy's subs are different. (I wouldn't trust Crunchy's subs as much as GG's in other words.) =__=;; In my ears, it sounds exactly how a Japanese person would say, "D-Zero". I don't know German so I have no say in "Lieselotte". It would be great if someone has access to a Japanese forum, and ask someone there exactly what they thought L-11 said. Although, I could also do a katakana Google sweep. |
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symbv said: - What is the effect of being bitten: From the OP (ED in this episode), we can be sure L-11 will not die from this attack. So what is the effect of being bitten? Will it create certain master-slave relationship like in some vampire story? Or some other kind of dependency for the bitten? I thought of that too, especially as you see L-11 dressed in the school uniform in more scenes of the OP then any of his teammates. Is there a reason he has to stay at the school? Will Haruko have some sort of hold over him? Is L-11 now bound by Haruko's will? We'll just have to see. Dragon_Slayer_X said: - The mech turned red when it interfaced with the MC. I think alongside injecting something into the MC, it also used some of his blood. It could be a possibility.i Actually Valvrave was already red when we first see it. It was red and white with neon green "wings". Once the MC interfaced with it, and it activated, the white parts of the mech turned black. And actually it's then that we can see the first evidence of whatever was injected into Haruko since not only do his eyes go dead, but he can automatically expertly pilot the machine and most interestingly of all, his broken arm is suddenly healed and he can now use it to pilot. My money is on nanomachines that are connected to Valvrave and thus connect pilot to mech. |
Ballermina said: So...what if Haruto found Shoko's body and revived her by biting her neck? Yes! Pet Sematery drama! Want! |
| Edit: ^ You beat me to it. I found the real quote in 2ch. Thanks! Now, someone can definitely contact GG and get this straighten out. Edit 2: fdsfgs said: If you'll listen to the audio after the OP sequence that is exactly what L-Elf says after he stabbed and shot Haruto. And that's definitely a no-go for me since it sounds like "D-Zero" in my ears. Doesn't matter how many times I hear it after the OP. >D |
BokuranokisekiApr 13, 2013 12:55 PM
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: @Chxistine: I have to disagree on a little bit there. L-11 and his group of psychos pilot different suits judging by the op including a huge mobile armor. Also there are six of them including L-11. So i am betting on the MC's friends piloting the Valvraves rather than them. Well that's what i think anyway. I did also just notice that in the OP that the Dorssia teens ARE NOT piloting the other 4 Valvrave mecha. They are piloting white/colored/pastel mechs and strangely enough, I played the OP more slowly and noticed that they never show L-11 in a pilot uniform. Nor do they show him piloting. They show 4 white/colored mecha being piloted by the other 4 guys on the Dorssia team: X-1, H-9, A-3, and Q-4, but never L-11. Why? Did he not get a mech since he failed the mission of capturing the Valvrave? And I did see the extra large white/gold bird-like mech shown at the end of the OP, but I have a feeling that belongs to Cain (the Char clone with the eyepatch). |
Irenesharda said: They show 4 white/colored mecha being piloted by the other 4 guys on the Dorssia team: X-1, H-9, A-3, and Q-4, but never L-11. Why? Did he not get a mech since he failed the mission of capturing the Valvrave? We'll find out eventually. It makes sense if he was intending to ride that red Valvrave. Would explain why he's shown without one even at the end of the OP. Although, it would feel a bit weird to not see him in one (to me)? (Unless, the "bite" represents a connection....) |
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| After going on the official site, I see they have 5 Valvraves including the one Haruko pilots. However, they are numbered Valvrave 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6. What the heck happened to Valvrave 2? And who are their pilots? Are we going to have 4 other vampires walking around the show here? Or would they do something unprecedented and have Haruko pilot ALL of them either mentally or just going out one machine at a time? Just thinking.... |
| the OP also have 4 other academy kids in flight gear inside a cockpit. You can't be sure they're piloting the other Valvraves, but those shots are just before the shots of the Valvraves, so I think so. Jock guy, glasses guy, redhead girl, and a blonde which by the angle I can't be sure is a boy or girl, but looking at the characters we've seen in the epi, I'd bet on the laidback rich girl we see for the first time in the food contest scene. |
lalomartins said: the OP also have 4 other academy kids in flight gear inside a cockpit. You can't be sure they're piloting the other Valvraves, but those shots are just before the shots of the Valvraves, so I think so. Jock guy, glasses guy, redhead girl, and a blonde which by the angle I can't be sure is a boy or girl, but looking at the characters we've seen in the epi, I'd bet on the laidback rich girl we see for the first time in the food contest scene. Those weren't the academy kids, that's L-11's team. Look at them clearly. Firstly, their cockpits nor their pilots uniforms match that of the Valvrave mechs. Jock guy is actually the blond H-9, Glasses guy is X-1, Redhead is Q-4, and the other blond is actually the white-haired A-3. (you can see his braid on one side) They are piloting the 4 machines we saw right before that. We have yet to see Valvrave 3,4,5,and 6's pilots. |
Irenesharda said: They are piloting the 4 machines we saw right before that. We have yet to see Valvrave 3,4,5,and 6's pilots. Yeah. So far it's hard to tell who's gonna pilot the Valvraves. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
Irenesharda said: lalomartins said: the OP also have 4 other academy kids in flight gear inside a cockpit. You can't be sure they're piloting the other Valvraves, but those shots are just before the shots of the Valvraves, so I think so. Jock guy, glasses guy, redhead girl, and a blonde which by the angle I can't be sure is a boy or girl, but looking at the characters we've seen in the epi, I'd bet on the laidback rich girl we see for the first time in the food contest scene. Those weren't the academy kids, that's L-11's team. Look at them clearly. Firstly, their cockpits nor their pilots uniforms match that of the Valvrave mechs. Jock guy is actually the blond H-9, Glasses guy is X-1, Redhead is Q-4, and the other blond is actually the white-haired A-3. (you can see his braid on one side) They are piloting the 4 machines we saw right before that. We have yet to see Valvrave 3,4,5,and 6's pilots. Dang, you're right. The transition makes that pretty clear, also, the uniforms have Dorssian insignia. Or decoration. Or whatever. |
Nyron said: Anime fans are the easiest people to please Nope. I can post the same message in any series forum. Personal tastes differ. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Did I just basically watch Gundam Seed ? lol |
mangostickyrice said: Did I just basically watch Gundam Seed ? lol Not even close. Lol. Gundam 00 and Code Geass do come up in this as far as I can see it. Just hope the plot is as well thought out as it was in CG. And the battle scenes from 00 will also be as magnificent as they to be in the upcoming episodes. Really pumped for this series, just love mechs <3 |
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mangostickyrice said: What you just saw was the beginning to several Gundam series including Gundam Seed. This story does go by the Gundam/mecha playbook step by step, but it does have some twists in it that even mecha fans didn't see coming.Did I just basically watch Gundam Seed ? lol |
| Wow, completely badass This is by far the coolest mecha I've seen I didn't really like the reason the guy fought though, but still an amazing fight |
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| this whole thing was so predictable plot wise. you could see it coming for a while. those guys would be enemies. the girl was going to die/possibly get captured. he'd take the robot for revenge. still it was somewhat enjoyable. |
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| did anyone else hear fullmetal alchemist brotherhood music when the enemies attacked? very similar to the homonculous theme, i believe |
| the masochist says "hurt me! hurt me!" the sadist replies "no" |
| shouko :( but the ending was, you win????? surprise! "payback's a bitch" |
| show felt pretty damn bad, but the animation wasn't bad, so pretty decent overall. |
| Another Sunrise mecha tittle (almost a pleonasm, huh) to the baggage. CG was good, char design maintained since 00 and quite confusing plotwise (if we could call that plot). MC is Pretty much a Amuro/Kamille clone + Plot Armor 15000 with hugeloads of emotional/mental strains. |
ビビコードバカァ！ |
| Kinda standard Sunrise buildup, which i dont mind :D Oh man i liked Shoko too.. And DAT OP! |
| uhh so there's this angsty teen living in space, war happens, he gets mad, rides a giant robot then becomes a zombie? ..........wtf- And woot T.M.Revolution x Nana Mizuki- |
HirieoshiApr 14, 2013 6:26 AM
| oADIFAJ op was amazing wth @ending that was kinda out of nowhere |
| that was good. |
| 講廢話,被撞到. |
| This show was pretty standard for a mecha show's first episode, Haruto being a "vampire-thingy" at the end surprised me. I'm also surprised they killed off, or teased atleast, Haruto's initial love interest. Shoko is on a lot of promo art for the series so surely she will still be around. |
| you know, we're all so sure Shoko comes back, I'm beginning to think maybe she doesn't, maybe Sunrise is being genre-savvy and playing with our expectations :-P |
| Not half bad! A bit rushed in the way that his love interest got killed off immediately and he declares revenge just like that, but I kinda liked it. So if not human, what is he now exactly? The end suggest some sort of vampire. :P |
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