Fate/Grand Order: First Order Episode 1 Discussion

ssjokg said:


It is. But I am curious to see what is all that "development" you keep talking about.

frenze12 said:


And i keep wondering why you think the FSN prologue is just as bland.

ssjokg said:

You keep dodging the issue and my request.

Yes Rin is better introduced than Ritsuka and Mashu.I never said that she is like Ritsuka and Mashu. So?Would it it mean anything if it stopped there?Would you call Rin a developed character because you found out some things about Rin that werent spoilers like Mashu's entire past is??You dont know anything about Archer either.What exactly did the prologue tell us about him other than him having a big mouth?

Does it make any sense to compare a full story,even if it is the UBW movie, to a prologue that intentionally doesnt reveal info??Oh wait that is what FSN did with the entire main cast....hmmmm

brendanphillips said:

And yet you keep trying to compare a serious work with a waifubaiting mobile game that has no further purpose besides shilling out character designs and getting profit on the cheap. Comparing Rin to Ritsuka is also not a valid comparison because they are very different characters. I'm sorry I don't like to post in forums a lot but your comment was just so horribly written I had to say something.

ssjokg said:

A serious work that made King Arthur a 14 year old girl,where in her legend Mordred was born after her Morgan stole her sperm while Merlin had turned her into a futanari, made Medusa wear dominatrix clothes, Medea is literally trying to get the grail be best waifu, added sex scenes and when they replaced them they added a yuri moment between one of the main girls and her friend that looks like the MC of their another popular series......So dont act as if FGO is the first time TM tried to sell with waifubaits. They for all intents and purposes changed Fate/Prototype into what FSN is now in order to sell it to otaku.

Given how much story FGO has for a moblile game, "getting profit for cheap" is really very off the mark.

I never compared Ritsuka to Rin, so what is your point? I compared how the prologues treats them and neither FSN or FGO develop them during the prologue.

Very new account with very specific "about" section....hmmm.. i wonder why some people have so much time in their hands.

ssjokg said:
>Oh yes, all this was in the original Visual Novel? Keep trying to grasp though, that's some nice straw men you're building.

So you deny FSN and its extra material are exactly what you say FGO is?

>Right, more story than a normal mobile game. What an achievement! They should be so proud of themselves! It's a game made to cheat people of their money, and considering what you have in your signature, I think they've succeeded.

More story than Fate/Extra.Hah weird isnt it?If people are retards or have too much money to spent, it means nothing about the story.
And dont assume everyone pays for a chance to roll.

>That's the point, you cannot compare both prologues because they are fundamentally different characters. It's apples and oranges.

This is very convenient for you.The purpose of a prologue is to introduce the setting and a few main characters. Both FSN and FGO did that. That Rin and Ritsuka are different characters is irrelevant.

>Nice ad hominem you got there, it fits well with your straw man arguments.

It's not my fault your account is so suspicious.

brendanphillips said:

As I said, UBW had all the budget and still looked pedestrian and cheap, it's obvious that it's not just their different character traits, but it does play a good role in it.

LeloThePGG said:


Hi, really quick question: where did you say that?
Because you never talked about UBW before but you said that like if it was obvious that you already talked about it, and that's kinda suspicious when coupled with your "I don't like to post in forums a lot".

LeloThePGG said:


Hi, really quick question: where did you say that?
Because you never talked about UBW before but you said that like if it was obvious that you already talked about it, and that's kinda suspicious when coupled with your "I don't like to post in forums a lot".

Fai said:


1. Animation budget =/= directing and choreography. UBW had all the budget and still looked pedestrian and cheap despite the over-polish(which frankly is damn achievement).

Mich666 said:
Wow. My expectation were low initially but this was actually one of the best additions to Fate series of late (yes, counting Ufo's UBW which was maybe top-notch animation-wise but it had other problems and flaws). And they even managed to do it as self-contained story based on the first chapter. The pace was fast, yes, but it didn't felt rushed at all. Chemistry of Mashu and Fujimaru works well, both were pretty likeable characters. Wasn't expecting Lay-Duce would do so well.

Truth to be told... maybe Medea's design could be better I guess. Olga was basically copy of Tohsaka, kinda (even when it is actually MC who has her likeness). Still, not bad for a throwaway character. But Sugita was pretty good in the role of antagonist. And Caster(Cu Chulainn) was great as always.

Would actually want to watch full season of this. Yeah, I know this is an advertising for the game, I tried it but it's pretty space heavy and it didn't run so well with my tablet. And watching this was really enjoyable to me.

8/10 Pleasant surprise and enjoyable addition to the Fate universe.

ssjokg said:
8/10 Pleasant surprise and enjoyable addition to the Fate universe.

Mich666 said:

Yeah, of course, my bad. I just unintentionally shuffled their names, thanks for notice.

Benphyre said:
Pretty bad.

The MC does basically nothing and shield girl just tanked Excalibur until DPS came to one-shot Saber. The director girl with ridiculously long name is a needy bitch and just being a nuisance. Also not really sure what is the purpose of that white Eevee.

frenze12 said:


White Eevee is gonna be the biggest asspull you will ever see at the final order of this episode. Providing if they got this far to animate it.

ssjokg said:

It's as if people forget:


Now dont get me wrong, what Fou did was an asspull but plz dont act as if asspulls are only a thing in FGO.

Benphyre said:
The MC does basically nothing and shield girl just tanked Excalibur until DPS came to one-shot Saber. The director girl with ridiculously long name is a needy bitch and just being a nuisance.

FinalFlash18 said:
I pity the director. Kind of knew she'll meet the end eventually since she was acting as a third wheel in the series but still felt sad about her :( She kinda reminded me of Rin.

TheServant said:

The protagonist is basically Shirou.

And that director girl seems really tough-headed & ruded, but changed completely when she met the professor for no reason. It's really weird.

Almost forgot, that director girl is basically Rin. So this anime is just "another adventure of Rin & Shirou in magical world."

TheServant said:
The protagonist is basically Shirou.

MightyM16 said:


No, he really isn't. Fujimaru is an average guy. Shirou is anything but average.

Maybe because she has a backtstory with him that will be explored later on if they ever decide to follow this up by adapting the rest of the game content?


The director died, did you forgot?

antonn said:


Thanks DEEN & ufotable.

TheServant said:



And do not forget, Shirou has a different character design, different father, & different voice actor too. So Shirou & Fujimaru are different. Absolutely.

If, exactly. If is the keyword.

Indeed, she died. Of course. Never forget.

MightyM16 said:
Then why did you call it:

"another adventure of Rin & Shirou in magical world." ?

antonn said:


Thanks DEEN & ufotable.

TheServant said:

Because that's what this anime is. As simple as that.

ssjokg said:
Em Right.So any series with boy and girl MCs is Shirou and Rin adventure even if the characters are completely different?.

ssjokg said:
I see. You didnt make sense when you where replying to MightyM16 or now to me.

TheServant said:

Because that's what this anime is. As simple as that.

MightyM16 said:
But it wasn't?

Honestly I think you've been flanderizing both series with your comment.

TheServant said:

Alright then. You win. Nice chatting with you.

MightyM16 said:
It really wasn't about winning. I was trying to understand your logic but it seems like you were just shitposting in the end.

ssjokg said:
In other words you were shitposting and you cant explain shit.

Ritsuka and Mashu or Olga are nothing like Rin and Shirou, except for Olga sharing a few character traits with Rin.In other words you are full of shit.

TheServant said:

I was not shitposting & I could elaborate my opinion, but I am just not interested in discussing Fate series with certain kind of Fate fans. That's why I have been answering you & the other user with lazy answers. Sorry.

frenze12 said:


To be fair it's not like i completely don't understand where you are coming from. There was a time when i would have dismissed the idea but once the nostalgia wore off and compared it with other works you can't deny that people like Shirou and Ritsuka share a similar basis (aka generic insert protag). But lets say that in Shirou's case they atleast "tried" to be a subversion of that.

frenze12 said:


To be fair it's not like i completely don't understand where you are coming from. There was a time when i would have dismissed the idea but once the nostalgia wore off and compared it with other works you can't deny that people like Shirou and Ritsuka share a similar basis (aka generic insert protag). But lets say that in Shirou's case they atleast "tried" to be a subversion of that.

ssjokg said:

How is Shirou a generic self insert?Can YOU feel like you are Shirou or do you want to be Shirou in any way?If not then you are just talking shit.

frenze12 said:


I guess being the typical nice guy and want to help others doesn't ring any bells to you? Or are you the type to just watch a guy getting mugged? How many other works do you think have a protag that shares the same belief? Secondly did you read the part where i said they tried to make him a subversion (hint this is important ;P)

Also why so rude?

FlareKnight said:
Sucks for Olga. I mean damn get betrayed, die, find out you died, and then die again. Oh and have no one seriously try to help you. I mean geeze Mash might as well have said "hell no, I'm the main girl here...she's gotta burn.".

sirhcnil said:
They may be powerless against that crazy dude but not even an attempt to help? Ultra-facepalm-jackiechanface

frenze12 said:
To be fair it's not like i completely don't understand where you are coming from. There was a time when i would have dismissed the idea but once the nostalgia wore off and compared it with other works you can't deny that people like Shirou and Ritsuka share a similar basis (aka generic insert protag). But lets say that in Shirou's case they atleast "tried" to be a subversion of that.