EvocationWizard said:No books were burned, Jaguar was alive all this time and somehow Vegapunk memorized all the books? I'm really not a fan of how Oda has been writing lately.
1- A bunch of books were burned with the tree, only the ones they saved by throwing them into the sea were not toast, it's shown in the chapter/episode itself (though the historians literally died just to make sure the biggest amount of books were saved in their own capacity).
2- Not too surprising, Aokiji said Robin could still save her completely frozen friends if she was quick (he froze Luffy from top to bottom in a very similar way), during the climax of Long Ring Long Land arc (which means, he knew people could survive his freezing skills, meaning he may just have done that himself successfully by saving Jaguar, considering the blood in his eyes when he realized the Buster Call was bombing even Marines still on the island, including high officers like himself. I always found weird he wouldn't help Jaguar (a great friend of his, may I remind you) right after his change of heart with Robin, considering from that point on he started to hate the World Government, unless he died far quicker than Luffy and the others resisted. No mention of his body either, since the Marines basically annihilated the entire island and left.
3- Vegapunk, the greatest mind of a manga series with absurdly crazy human feats, memorizing all of the research available from Ohara must be the least suspension of disbelief I've ever seen someone complain about in One Piece lol; you are in fact, the very first. Try Zoro losing almost all of the blood in his body in Thriller Bark and surviving at least. Humans in One Piece are built differently, and Oda already stated as such in the SBS, it has been like that since the very start, it's not the writing "going bad", it has always been cartoony with capabilities of the cast.
Early_Morning said:EvocationWizard said:No books were burned, Jaguar was alive all this time and somehow Vegapunk memorized all the books? I'm really not a fan of how Oda has been writing lately.
'Cause he's a bad writer now tbh. Seriously why did he have the WG agents completely ignore the books? The whole point of the Buster Call was to destroy Ohara because the WG claimed Clover and his research team were studying forbidden information about the Void Century, so why did the WG agents leave all those books - which contained parts of that information - in the damn lake? Why not destroy them?
1- First, WG agents were never present in Buster Calls, only Marines, which is why they even kill each other as long as they utterly eliminate WG's threats. Of course they wouldn't care about a bunch books, Marines didn't know a thing about the Poneglyphs nor why they were called to attack Ohara for their supposed devilish conspiracy by part of their inhabitants. The chapter on itself shows the 5 Elders straight lying to the Marines regarding the actual reason, and executing anyone who dared to even hint on the name of the ancient kingdom through their den-den mushi call with Clover. It's confidential information that would get any Marine of any degree executed (hell, the Buster Call on itself cared less about higher ups getting blown up with the island, to Aokiji's utmost distaste). Their information is so controlled that barely any Marine knew about Rocks' era other than veterans, let alone the void century and the content of anything Poneglyph-related that wasn't the weapons (aka, information few had access to, and mostly seeking the rumored weapons of mass destruction/their blueprints, which were the BIG REASON the WG used to ban poneglyph reading).
2- Their efforts after destroying the island was not to check if was anything left, and even Vegapunk stated they might not have even noticed the books underwater (and in case they did, the Marines had no idea of how important they were, which is just natural, considering they weren't in orders to destroy books, but to savage an entire island to the ground, and their people with prejudice, civilian or not), but to ensure by every single possible means the persecution of Robin through worldwide propaganda. They went on for decades trying to get her, and still do (her demise was top priority even as late as in their Wano mission).
Like, just calling it bad writing while having the guts of having One Piece in your favorites, at least reread the damn relevant parts to the plot when they come back hundreds of chapters later, it doesn't seem to me you actually care that much for the setup of this favorite manga of yours at all.
Also wtf was with Usopp? Why was he freaking out about learning forbidden information regarding the Ancient Kingdom when he and the other Straw Hats are already on the WG's hit list? Did he forget that he burned their flag - thereby declaring war on them - and that he's already got a bounty on his head? Why is Oda leaving huge plot holes like this, and then y'all just praise him with the usual "PEAK FICTION" bullshit?
1- Usopp always freak out about this stuff from the start. A guaranteed death sentence is not really surprising of a thing to do as such either. It was the usual Usopp scared comic relief moment, and you are nitpicking at this point, it's not a fucking plot hole LOL
2- People calling it peak fiction are hardly part of any argument you may try to make, just say the fanboys annoy you and be done with it.
3- Lastly, this is what can be objectively called great writing, these books were Chekhov's Guns, an extremely apparent example of the The Law of Conservation of Detail (if the books were being thrown into the sea to save their research at all costs, of course later in the story, this very detail will become relevant, instead of being just fluff, aka arguably poor writing, or rather: a plot point that goes nowhere in a story where almost everything important mentioned go somewhere). |