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Maelis said: I don't quite understand why people be so harsh about this anime. I came into this with a mindset of nothing but moe, some good laugh and random stuffs. Seriously, with this kind of artwork, and kyoani's production, you have to know what you are watching. There is entertainment that comes from understanding but there is also one that comes from pure ridiculousness. How about trying to be a brainless person and enjoy this anime? Because it was marketed as a dark fantasy? And its pretending to have a good plot? I know KyoAni and I stayed away from their anime till now. But now they said theyre going to make something different, so I will have other expectations. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Well if people truly found this that funny I really don't know what to say. But the post is 600 words long (and just one of many). And it doesn't end here. Kaioshin_Sama said: I'm sorry I'm just not seeing how it doesn't feel shoehorned in or incredible forced. This 500,000 yen Youmu just comes completely out of nowhere and happens to have been on top of their school this whole time and which just happens to be I guess a pedophile of some sort and the only way they can come up with to defeat it is to of all things do an idol dance sequence which just so happens to be something that is really popular and Kyoani fandom has been shown to especially respond to. And you consider this in no way hamfisted or forced and rather drop dead hilarious? Okay...... :/ Again if people don't find any inconsistencies or tonal whiplash in this from how the youmu and cast have been portrayed before I don't even know what to say. I also don't know what to say to the idea that you think no other studio is capable of or has done better with a filler episode in any recent memory. Looks to me like you just want to find an excuse to shower this show and Kyoani with praise like so many others. I don't understand what it is with Kyoani fans. This show was billed as dark fantasy to start and has been anything but yet they just suddenly accept now that it's possibly just yet another in a long line of lighthearted fluffy shows in the vein of just about everything they've done. That seems to be the main trend with people that genuinely seem to like everything Kyoani produces, unconditional acceptance and utter disregard for basic storytelling and continuity Pknoctis said: I mean there are definitely filler elements, but this episode does serve a purpose. The montage of them working hard together for a week shows how they're getting closer together. The fact that you think this is going to mean anything come next episode is pretty hilarious. Also they've already shown that the team works together in episode 4? What then makes anything that happened in this episode in any way special or new in terms of developments? Name me one thing this show brought to the table that looks like it furthers the plot, develops the cast and their relationships or adds any dimension to the show in any noticeable and meaningful way beyond shameless fanservice and pandering? But to respond to some of the questions that you keep asking over and over. No, it doesn't feel forced, nor does it feel shoehorned. It would only feel that way if it mangled the plot in the process. Considering that you seem aware that the episode was a digression from the plot (indeed, you harp on it), I'm not sure what your point is. I can't see what all the caterwauling about KyoAni is about, either. There are plenty of idol shows that have come out in the past year or two. None of which were made by this studio. If four of their last eight shows were idol shows and then they tried getting idol moments into the non-idols shows, then I'd agree with you (although it could still be done well). That's not the case; it's one episode. On a separate note, if you hate them for being them, why watch their shows? Even dark shows have moments of levity. Elfen Lied, Fate Zero, Muv-Luv, even mediocre shows like Freezing and Shingeki no Kyojin… amidst the carnage, they included humour. 'Cause people are like that. This show should be more light-hearted than any of those. This isn't an end of the world type of show. Count me in the camp that found this episode entertaining. And for what it's worth, I don't feel any tonal whiplash. Neither Akihito nor Hiroomi are at all out of character. While Ai hasn't had a lot of screen time thus far, she's certainly come across as being playful. As for Mirai and Mitsuki, while they would never do this on their own, I can see them getting roped into it, as their other traits are tapped into. By the time of the finale, they've reached the point of no return. Given that a couple of episodes ago, they all went through a fairly traumatic experience together, I could see them wanting to come together, and Ayaka certainly seems manipulative enough to corral them in this way, and as a team building exercise, this was pretty good. Mirai wasn't part of the team before this, and the team was more a collection of parts. Mirai's been highly resistant to getting close to anyone, despite having what appears to be a reasonably social personality, which is probably painful for her. Breaking Mitsuki's cool demeanour helps as well. Someone, in another post, asserted that there was no character development. I disagree. This was probably the most development for Mitsuki and Mirai and maybe Hiroomi as well. It may have also helped Akihito recover from his recent episode. Mirai may prove helpful should there be another such episode. While you seem to be hoping for the worst, I'm not seeing it yet. Granted, I have no idea where the story is supposed to go and I don't care how it was billed. A show like Fate Zero suffered horribly from its two-episode island diversion because it had a huge amount of story to tell in too few episodes. Because of the time it spent there, it had to forego telling the tale of du Lac, which should have been Sabre's ultimate challenge (and a great battle to boot). Unless they run out of episodes here, I don't think your whining will have a point. As for the youmu (if that's the right word), I think that Mirai is cursed (or being set up) to never escape her financial straits. If she had financial independence, she'd fly solo. She's been insistent on that. While I think the spirit will endure (which is why it's worth so much, 'cause it already has), if anyone takes it out, it shouldn't be them. Finally, would it really have made you happier if this was an OVA? In all likelihood, you'd have ended up with a 12 episode season with an OVA instead of a 13 episode season. What's the difference? p.s. Post finally… I'll just add that I thought that the execution of this was great. The dance performance needed great animation, artwork and style. It also needed attention. It got them all and as such, capped off a great episode. If it weren't part of the season, it might not have received this attention; most OVAs don't. For myself, I really appreciated how the two main performers, Mitsuki and Mirai, weren't just differently-coloured copies of each other. Their movements differed but were in sync, and seemed to really match their physiques well. I hope that when the season is over that they will come out with a fully animated performance without the training flashbacks (a la Hare Hare Youkai). But even if they don't, this was jaw-dropping. |
symbv said: The director has said in an interview that from around mid-point the anime will go with completely original contents not from the LN. I guess this episode is where it begins. What. Well not that I've read the LN or anything so I wouldn't know if that's a good thing or bad thing...but I would think the original source will be better. |
| I understand why many people doesn't like this episode, it just came out of nowhere. Honestly it was great, dancing, singing, choreography, almost everything. The training flashbacks when their performing was one great thing. I lol'ed when Mirai's first sing and then the youmu exploded Akihito and Hiroomi's dancing was so fabulous XD Ai's singing performane was the best :3 the youmu is so pervert like it's cumming. The shower scenes was kinda cute I guess :3 After all their effort to prepare their performance for one youmu, they failed. I really like it, it was so fun and amusing to watch. I lol'ed at the end. I'll download that song when its available. My 1,000th forum post yey :3 |
| lol that was funny, a lot of shower scenes haha. I'm in love of Mitsuki's voice <3 |
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| so best filler ever |
| This would've gone by so much faster if they just lip sync'ed it... lol |
| Love the episode especially the idol part xD |
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| i thought this episode was totally out of place but i really the singing |
| Well that was epic, haha. I was kind of thinking who was going to kill it while it was distracted. |
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tingy said: symbv said: The director has said in an interview that from around mid-point the anime will go with completely original contents not from the LN. I guess this episode is where it begins. What. Well not that I've read the LN or anything so I wouldn't know if that's a good thing or bad thing...but I would think the original source will be better. I don't really care, because it's enjoyable anyway, but I agree, I'd prefer to have it focus on the plot. |
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| And again, we are shown how awesome can KyoAni be. That dancing is just pure awesomeness. KnK have just become my 2nd fav series this season. 5/5 |
Konata_MasterNov 9, 2013 10:42 PM
| No matter how uninteresting an anime series looks, watch it. No matter how uninteresting an anime series is, watch it until the bitter end. As it is the true essence of what makes one an anime warrior. |
| Was an awesome ep. Loved Hiromi's reaction to seeing his sister, but smelling her. Also loved his book mark. I like when Hiromi and Akihito discuss their fetishes. also "Why must I get stinky!?" and that j-pop style music video at the ending was awesome. such a silly ep |
| Slaine did nothing wrong. |
| It may be filler, but it was enjoyable filler. What's not to like? |
| I agree with the "enjoyable filler" stuff, but actually this anime started with a very funny though sentimental structure. I really liked the moe overload of this episode, most of all the sexy poses of Mirai and the performance of Ai (and I have to say that Akihto and the cool oni-chan dancing are quite the badasses), but anyway, I'd like to see much more plot developement. Where did all the "I'm am a demon and I feel alone and you little cute red-glassed girl are the only one who can understand me"-story go? |
| Awesome Ep Hiro'omi reactions are just amazing. |
Kitchiri said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: Even more depressing fact is that this probably the only enjoyable episode I've had in this series, lol. Exactly and these filler-fanservice-idol episodes should be left for an ova at the end of the series. This was totally inconsistent with how the show has been going on and if i didn't misunderstand what symbv said then the later episodes could very well be anime-only. Kyoani should have done another moe SOL than trying to ruin a dark fantasy show. Kyoani just cannot handle serious story. They can, FMP The Second Raid was pretty good. They simply aren't pushing in that direction anymore. |
| Aliis si licet, tibi non licet. |
Kitchiri said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: Even more depressing fact is that this probably the only enjoyable episode I've had in this series, lol. Exactly and these filler-fanservice-idol episodes should be left for an ova at the end of the series. This was totally inconsistent with how the show has been going on and if i didn't misunderstand what symbv said then the later episodes could very well be anime-only. Kyoani should have done another moe SOL than trying to ruin a dark fantasy show. Kyoani just cannot handle serious story. Yeah its the most fun Ive had with Kyoukai no Kanata, it still is a shitty episode simply cause it doesnt fit in and belong with the rest. This looked like something for a spin off series or some whacky OVA that is released after the show ends. |
sherlock5545 said: Kitchiri said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: Even more depressing fact is that this probably the only enjoyable episode I've had in this series, lol. Exactly and these filler-fanservice-idol episodes should be left for an ova at the end of the series. This was totally inconsistent with how the show has been going on and if i didn't misunderstand what symbv said then the later episodes could very well be anime-only. Kyoani should have done another moe SOL than trying to ruin a dark fantasy show. Kyoani just cannot handle serious story. They can, FMP The Second Raid was pretty good. They simply aren't pushing in that direction anymore. Yeah but its been like 7 years since then? Who knows if the staff that worked on that is even left in KyoAni? In the end its the staff that is the biggest factor, not the brand name. If you switched the staff from Trigger with the ones from KyoAni, I bet Trigger would be doing moe-centered shows and KyoAni crazy stuff. |
| I was thinking Ai is probably the one to deliver the attack, then WTFLOL she joined in. nice THE END. Song alone 5/5. Episode 3/5 And I need that theme song. |
| Do these "characters" have something else going for them aside from their fetishes? This show is a milkshakes made of all the most bland highschool fantasy clichès. I'm very conflicted, because the animation and directing is top notch. The way it was advertised was very misleading. |
Dorudo-kunNov 10, 2013 7:38 AM
| Dat episode. |
| Tutturu ~ |
| It was enjoyable and laughable episode. This song, still in my head...just like Ai. |
| Mitsuki on the ball was so adorable |
I'm learning english. |
| GIFS WHERE ARE THE GIFS |
| R.I.P. Dog and 1 week of training to perform that song perfectly? I call bullshit on that. |
MrAwesome2018Nov 10, 2013 6:34 PM
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| This episode was borderline insulting. How abysmally atrocious. |
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| Reminded me a lot of Free's first ep in the sense that I couldn't stop laughing throughout the whole episode. It's a shame I couldn't hear Tatsun (happy b-day to him while I'm at it!) or Kenn sing, but still a nice song in the end :3 |
| Tumblr: Gigglepud My one rec for anyone who likes good storytelling: Play Zero Escape/Ai the Somnium Files |
| Ai-chan taking the center (and as the "final weapon") was a surprise. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| This was actually pretty enjoyable, had quite few laughs. Mitsuki and Ai <3 Much better than the last few episodes, looks like KyonAni can't do serious stories anymore.. |
| Such a great show. This episode was so awesome ! ^^ Cute and funny in the same moments. This song was so pretty, and when Ai-chan sings...oh, kawaii ! *.* And Kuriyama's dress...And Hiroomi, that Hiroomi ! He's so cute big brother, he even has bookmark with his sister ! ^_^ Love him aswell <3 |
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| LOL I couldn't stop laughing throughout most of the episode. |
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Voldomino said: Do these "characters" have something else going for them aside from their fetishes? This show is a milkshakes made of all the most bland highschool fantasy clichès. I'm very conflicted, because the animation and directing is top notch. The way it was advertised was very misleading. Not looking that way right now no. I honestly can't remember a single meaningful conversation the cast has had so far that hasn't related to discussions about fetishes and the repeated one-liners that have ensued. Very lazy and I know Hanada can do better from what I've seen from Love Live where the characters were moe but far less one dimensional and actually focused on a goal and kind of grew as a group and characters throughout the season. And I don't even like idol anime so it made me take note of his name. This show...literally the only thing of remote interest to happen so far related to character stuff (more as potential than actual execution) has been Mirai's backstory and even that has been handled really clumsily with it coming in and out of focus at the same pace as the character relating to it in Sakura (who literally appears and disappears from the show at the drop of a hat), and even that still feels like a very simplistic "pity me" style element to enhance her moe appeal as opposed to something to genuinely build character, personality and potential growth off of. When it's followed up with two episodes like the last ones too it almost seems like the staff has forgotten about it entirely, or maybe they just don't care since sales clearly aren't coming to come by focusing on stuff like that. When neither your main cast or your background cast have any tangible development or even frankly notable personality halfway through a shows run it's a really bad look. Honestly because of the way it was advertised I think criticism of what the show has become is fare game. A lot of people keep saying, "oh it's fun, it's just meant to be a dumb fun show and nothing more", but then they kept billing this as a dark fantasy style show, and putting out those trailers that mostly focused on combat and had a dark tone to them, but so far it's mostly it's been bad otaku and manzai style comedy with a few short trippy fights on rooftops against really non-threatening looking monsters thrown in here and there. Essentially Kyoani has yet again fallen back on the only thing they've ever really tried in the past without ever even so much as really trying with the whole dark fantasy thing. Then again for every comment I see like yours I see 20 here absolutely raving about how falling on the ground passing out from laughter hilarious people apparently found this episode was so it looks like they aren't gunning for the audience that cares about things that actually matter when telling a story to begin with. Typical Kyoani lol, and honestly I'm curious to see how many of those people claiming they absolutely lost their shit laughing with this episode are back next weekend. There's something very...I don't know, disingenuous and almost robotic about those comments and that's before I look at and see that most of them have come from people that have made 1 or 2 posts ever on MAL's forums. MrAwesome2011 said: R.I.P. Dog and 1 week of training to perform that song perfectly? I call bullshit on that. Frankly I'm surprised the show even had the thing about them training for one week and they weren't just immediately experts at it right off the first attempt. It was basically the same in K-On with the characters who have never touched a real instrument in their life just being able to pick them up and play them like journeyman professionals. Ditto Free where the cast doesn't really seem to practice much or take things all that seriously with regard to swimming and still manages to put in what the cast judges to be professional performances. I remember also reading some commentary on another site by a person that is really into competitive swimming at the Olympics pointing out all the basic things that the show got wrong about competitive swimming if it were going to be considered a sports anime such as the form and styles depicted in the show, timing and execution of transitions off the lap turns, preparation for competition, technique etc. Honestly I blame Kyoani's producers or the director on this one cause again Hanada also wrote Love Live which for a show about moe high school idols put a surprisingly heavy emphasis on hard work and practice the cast put in which eventually became a major plot point near the end of the show so it's not like he's not capable of showing that sort of thing. This being a throwaway episode though I guess it's not worth complaining to much about it though other than the usual "typical Kyoani" comment. In general though they just don't seem to care remotely about this sort of thing much like how they don't seem to care about coherent plot and character progressions ever since K-On hit it big, probably because it would get in the way of fanservice pandering and showing off their animation sequences which at this point I'm starting to think is literally the only thing they are even remotely good at anymore. Mockman said: Fanboy Drivel Watch more anime and media in general is all I can say. Read a critically acclaimed novel or something and learn about what good storytelling, pacing, character development, thematic usage and execution, tonal consistency and proper transitioning between said tones entails. In short learn to have some standards. |
PeacingOutNov 11, 2013 3:19 PM
| I seriously loved the fifth episode, so this one was a bit of a let-down what with the blatant and flat fanservice. My bias being that I. Hate. Fanservice. Especially fanservice for no reason. That being said, I'd be lying if I claimed I didn't enjoy the episode, as there was enough humor and poking-at of cliches to keep me happy. The dance scene at the end was unrealistic (Not that I was expecting realism, but still ) but well animated and at least I could enjoy the fact that it all went to hell shortly afterwards. ;) I've been kind of back and forth on this series, just because it can't seem to decide quite what it wants to be, or at least stick to a pacing. The switch between shonen and slice of life gives me whiplash between episodes but I'm committed to the characters (I find them to have pretty well-built realistic characters actually. I'm not quite sure what some of you are complaining about.) and animation (I've got to have one shallow quality!) though, so I'm in for the ride. |
| I thought it was way too early for a dance number, but then it was funny so, pass. For some reason I don't mind all the bs that this show is and I don't know why. I usually can't tolerate anything else like it *distracted by pretty colors* |
Red_Keys said: This episode was borderline insulting. How abysmally atrocious. Insulting in what way..? |
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chrysalibun said: I thought it was way too early for a dance number, but then it was funny so, pass. For some reason I don't mind all the bs that this show is and I don't know why. I usually can't tolerate anything else like it *distracted by pretty colors* Wouldn't be a Kyoani series if people just didn't magically drop their pet peeves for it. |
Takuan_Soho said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Wouldn't be a Kyoani series if people just didn't magically drop their pet peeves for it. You know, it may be time to seek professional help with your KyoAni obsession. Say what you will (and you will, endlessly) about KyoAni, but they do crap better than any other studio out there. Yes I will agree they do tend to do "crap" as you put it a lot better than just about any studio out there. That's something they've been very consistent with lately no doubt. |
| Wtf hahahaha |
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| THis was one of the best episode I have seen in a while. I really really liked it. |
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