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Aug 1, 7:45 PM
#251
Aug 1, 7:49 PM
#252
I really want to like this ending, but it feels really unearned. I don't think any of Takopii's story really resonated with me and I don't buy his mutual connection to Marina and Shizuka bringing them together. Even in A Silent Voice, the MCs had to work hard for the ending they got. I think my favorite part of this story was Azuma's arc, and I'm glad my boy got a happy ending for himself. |
Aug 1, 7:53 PM
#253
many people doesnt get what the meaning behind this show, and many people just only hate marina or shizuka. but at the end i love all those kids, i never biases to one of them. im happy marina and shizuka becomes friend, even when marina still have her bad habit to kick shizuka in the end. I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH |
Aug 1, 8:06 PM
#255
Bad ending i didnt like it at all, brought down my overall score for it |
Aug 1, 8:16 PM
#256
Reply to MukundPanzer
I really want to like this ending, but it feels really unearned. I don't think any of Takopii's story really resonated with me and I don't buy his mutual connection to Marina and Shizuka bringing them together. Even in A Silent Voice, the MCs had to work hard for the ending they got. I think my favorite part of this story was Azuma's arc, and I'm glad my boy got a happy ending for himself.
@MukundPanzer I pretty much felt the same. Kuze said something like "she doesn't believe in magic" in the first episode, and it resonated with me from the start because in real life usually there are no "happy-pi" ass-pull solutions to situations like those they had been struggling with and I was curious how the story would handle the fucked-upness it had heaped up on us during its episodes, but in the end the anime was unable to grow up to the wiseness of its heroine and reached an unearned non-sensical happy end. All that said the visuals were something worthy of praise and because of that I still rated this show highly. |
IshitatesoAug 1, 11:37 PM
Aug 1, 8:23 PM
#257
πππππTHE ENDππππ the best drama Psychological anime i ever watched 10/10β€ Anime that succeed make audience CRY ,simpatyi,trauma in GOOD way Glad it end with bittersweet happy ending π’ |
Aug 1, 8:24 PM
#258
Funny how everyone's reactions to this episode are so vastly different. |
Aug 1, 8:24 PM
#259
Reply to Yaqinmalul
πππππTHE ENDππππ
the best drama Psychological anime i ever watched
10/10β€
Anime that succeed make audience CRY ,simpatyi,trauma in GOOD way
Glad it end with bittersweet happy ending π’
the best drama Psychological anime i ever watched
10/10β€
Anime that succeed make audience CRY ,simpatyi,trauma in GOOD way
Glad it end with bittersweet happy ending π’
@Yaqinmalul i hope there more anime like this in future maybe oyasumi punpun anime adaptation |
Aug 1, 8:30 PM
#260
Naoki really did the butterfly effect ending with shizuka |
Sport Club Corinthians Paulist is the biggest football team in the world. 51 is cachaça |
Aug 1, 8:32 PM
#261
AOTY for sure, no debate |
Aug 1, 8:39 PM
#262
So the solution of the show about trying to save a bunch of kids from killing themselves, is for Takopii to kill himself. Truly incredible. Also none of the show actually happened because of time travel. So basically all the characters have vague memories of interactions but not really? I mean it's a good ending, like it had a positive outcome for the characters. But it's not very satisfying... Nevertheless, somewhat cute show. Very sad what happened in those dead timelines, good thing those just flat out didn't happen in the end. Not at all what I thought was going to happen, but it does wrap it up nicely I guess. The adult characters all being evil doesn't matter I guess because they just redirect your focus to how these two girls are now friends and everything is good now. Like good enough. Sort of a cop out though, since now Shizuka doesn't have to get over the removal of Chappy at all, and Marina still does everything for her mother and likely still gets beat at home occasionally, and Azuma's mother is still insufferable, at least some things were made slightly better thanks to Takopii's impact. And I guess that's the moral of the show. Pray that some outsider will come into your lives, watch you all unravel, then be the reason you make up. And for that I guess it was a good show. Sorta confused how Takopii survived Shizuka's wrath though, and that'll never be explained. Basically a movie length anime, and it was a pretty good movie for the most part. |
Aug 1, 8:41 PM
#263
Reply to DiomaFX
I've never been so moved by a piece of media like how this one has felt to me.
@DiomaFX Watch Violet Evergarden then. And maybe Clannad for the After Story. |
Aug 1, 8:47 PM
#264
Amazing VA work from Shizuka's and Takopi's VAs. The full weight of Shizuka's shzzy life hit her in that moment. Her attempts to suppress everything, distance herself from it, intentional/unintentional dissociation... very powerful. That being said, the ending was RUSHED. The final half of the episode at least. The Shizuka-Takopi interactions were great. Wish they'd have had more time to fit a proper ending in. As it stands now, the pacing was way too rushed and character developments weren't worked through properly. Huge letdown for me just because of the rushed ending, but objectively it still wasn't BAD... just not as good as it could have been. Debating on giving 9/10 or 10/10, because everything else was otherwise masterfully done in the short amount of time it had. My 10s are more like 9.5+/10. |
Aug 1, 8:52 PM
#265
I was not sure if they'd be able to pull off an ending that wouldn't leave me wallowing in depression for the rest of the year, but I actually thought the ending was quite nice and poignant. |
Aug 1, 9:09 PM
#266
What a disappointing ending... it was good at the start but ended very badly, i was expecting a real solution to the problems these character have not a "yeah i forgot i have this power to time travel btw". And why didn't takopi use the camera in the Marina time line? he never took a photo? the first 3/4 episodes are really good where all of the messages he want to tell are, the last episodes are a rushy ending with a bad plot twist |
Aug 1, 9:14 PM
#267
uselessDM said: @flowwwstate Of course the ending is kinda bullshit, but I can't lie, I love that it's a happy ending. so many things still unresolve in marina and shizuka lives but what's important is takopi did his main goal on making marina and shizuka as friends in the end. |
Aug 1, 9:15 PM
#268
the "bittersweet" ending felt a bit forced but with only 1 more episode to work with ig it couldn't be helped. overall this mini-series absolutely takes the cake this season. ANIME OF THE YEAR FOR SURE |
Aug 1, 9:15 PM
#269
Shizuka might be one of the best manipulator, she does really manipulate Takopi, but somehow what an unexpected ending, i really like the show but in the end it's become disappointed. |
Aug 1, 9:21 PM
#270
Trash Ending. Why do Shizuka and Marina randomly remember Takopi in the new timeline? Why did the author think it was a good idea to have the deux ex machina camera return? Seriously, there are so many things that they could have expanded on if they wanted to give this series a better ending. The best part of the episode is when Shizuka is venting to Takopi and he apologizes for not being smart enough to understand the reality of the world. Everything after that squanders all of that for no reason. Takopi brings out the camera to change everything after it was already broken because the series decides to magically invent a new power because he got his memory back last episode. Then when we do the time travel shenanigans again and then Shizuka is beaten to an inch of her life by Marina and suddenly Marina just stops???? Then they become besties? I'd like to emphasize that the last two sentences are questions that will never be answered because it is NOT EXPLAINED. There is literally no explanation, it just happens! |
Dred_SinsAug 1, 9:25 PM
Aug 1, 9:39 PM
#271
So, the reason Shizuka was alive in episode 5 (2022) is because that was the first timeline. Takopi originally met Marina first, when she was older. Takopi travels from 2022 (timeline 1) to 2016 (timeline 2) to kill Shizuka, loses his memories, meets Shizuka, gives her the Happy Rope which didn't exist in timeline 1, meaning this time the rope doesn't snap and she dies. Then, timeline 3 (2016) Takopi starts constantly rewinding with the Happy Camera to save Shizuka, leading to all the events of the show. Timeline 4(+) is the ending of episode 6, where Takopi uses himself to rewind time with the Happy Camera one more time and connect everyone. In this timeline, Shizuka never attempted suicide in 2016; Marina wasn't killed in 2016. They now grow to 2022 again, but together this time. Happy ending was nice. Saving the dog was honestly the best part. Takopi bringing everyone together through a doodle was interesting. Personally, I think they should've made more use of the Happy Gadgets. Takopi becoming the Happy Rope in the end, to bring everyone together, would've made a lot more sense over a random doodle of him in Shizuka's notebook to me. But I get it, short story, 6 episodes, 2 volumes. There's only so much you can do. |
CrimsonRuinAug 1, 9:45 PM
Aug 1, 9:44 PM
#272
an amazing finale to an amazing story |
Aug 1, 9:45 PM
#273
Takopii the realest G-pi |
Aug 1, 9:47 PM
#274
an amazing finale to an amazing story |
Aug 1, 9:50 PM
#275
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Aug 1, 10:02 PM
#276
9/10 excellent adaptation, in my list this is already material for AOTY, I just love it, since "The Butterfly Effect" I haven't experienced such heartbreaking moments, Erased and Steins;gate are cool though, but this story really hit me hard, loved it, right away after the anime ended I listened "Stop crying your heart out" by Oasis, you know, to make the experience complete. |
Aug 1, 10:09 PM
#277
10/10 really like this anime. Also i wanna appreciate Ueda Reina in this episode. In the manga, i can feel Shizuka's pain when she told Takopi how helpless she is, and the voice acting hurt me even more. |
Aug 1, 10:15 PM
#278
Can someone explain how takopi managed to sacrifice himself with the camera in the end by going back in time? He said the cameras powers was to go back in time to when the picture was taken, and he was in the picture when he took it, wouldn't that mean he would still be alive? or did he just kill himself? |
Aug 1, 10:15 PM
#279
Reply to IzanaSolos
My god, six episodes in and Takopii is still the same annoying mess he was at the start. He finally got his memories back last episode, and yet he's still going around saying things like, "DoN't YoU WaNna SeE ShIzUkA HaPPy?" Like seriously? Please for the lvoe of god, FUCKING STOP. At least Azuma showed some actual development. Meanwhile, Takopii hasn’t changed a bit, still clinging to this version of Shizuka that barely even feels like Shizuka anymore.
But ofc, since it’s the final episode and we have to force a happy ending, we somehow manage to change the mind of a literal murderer in under three minutes, because that totally makes sense. And then we reset the timeline, effectively making everything that happened completely pointless. What a joke. Oh, and somehow Marina and Shizuka magically remember Takopii after all that, just conveniently enough to give us a feel-good bonding moment at the end.
God, the show was already awful, but this ending honestly rivals disasters like Darling in the FranXX, truly. And the similarities are hard to ignore, both are carried almost entirely by their animation, with everything else falling apart. That said, I’m still genuinely curious to see where the studio goes from here. ENISHIYA is easily one of the most interesting new companies to emerge this decade. I just hope their next project actually lives up to their potential instead of being another frustrating waste of talent.
But ofc, since it’s the final episode and we have to force a happy ending, we somehow manage to change the mind of a literal murderer in under three minutes, because that totally makes sense. And then we reset the timeline, effectively making everything that happened completely pointless. What a joke. Oh, and somehow Marina and Shizuka magically remember Takopii after all that, just conveniently enough to give us a feel-good bonding moment at the end.
God, the show was already awful, but this ending honestly rivals disasters like Darling in the FranXX, truly. And the similarities are hard to ignore, both are carried almost entirely by their animation, with everything else falling apart. That said, I’m still genuinely curious to see where the studio goes from here. ENISHIYA is easily one of the most interesting new companies to emerge this decade. I just hope their next project actually lives up to their potential instead of being another frustrating waste of talent.
@IzanaSolos I agree that it's not the masterpiece they paint it to be. It doesn't propose anything new, and being short, its thesis on the subject matter you touch on is interesting but cartoonish and underexplored. Either way, it works by drawing you into the story without seeking an exact relationship with reality, and it's quite good. Its characters are good; there aren't any major developments, but if they are objects, they remind you of Takopi because they have these "deja vus" from the other timelines. It's not "magically," which in any case, magic is what this story lacks. There are no implausible situations with its proposed universe. Its ending only focuses on something not happy, but one of union. Being the object of a relationship without touching the facts, Takopi understands that the past can't be changed but can be given a different direction as hope, and as a drawing, it represents two broken people finding understanding in each other. It's abrupt but coherent |
Aug 1, 10:27 PM
#280
IzanaSolos said: My god, six episodes in and Takopii is still the same annoying mess he was at the start. He finally got his memories back last episode, and yet he's still going around saying things like, "DoN't YoU WaNna SeE ShIzUkA HaPPy?" Like seriously? Please for the lvoe of god, FUCKING STOP. At least Azuma showed some actual development. Meanwhile, Takopii hasn’t changed a bit, still clinging to this version of Shizuka that barely even feels like Shizuka anymore. But ofc, since it’s the final episode and we have to force a happy ending, we somehow manage to change the mind of a literal murderer in under three minutes, because that totally makes sense. And then we reset the timeline, effectively making everything that happened completely pointless. What a joke. Oh, and somehow Marina and Shizuka magically remember Takopii after all that, just conveniently enough to give us a feel-good bonding moment at the end. God, the show was already awful, but this ending honestly rivals disasters like Darling in the FranXX, truly. And the similarities are hard to ignore, both are carried almost entirely by their animation, with everything else falling apart. That said, I’m still genuinely curious to see where the studio goes from here. ENISHIYA is easily one of the most interesting new companies to emerge this decade. I just hope their next project actually lives up to their potential instead of being another frustrating waste of talent. You didn’t get the anime at all but that’s okay there’s a lot of other anime that’s more direct and easier to understand! You should try some of those instead I think you will like them more |
Aug 1, 10:34 PM
#281
Great ep Damn, Azuma's life has only become worse, but he's learnt lessons from it. Shizuka truly has suffered so much. Wow, Takopi gave up his life to pay for his sins, but to also be the link that connects Shizuka and Marina together... Looks like Shizuka and Marina are finally friends after the constant reminders of happiness between them from Takopi. Ngl, it feels like the series lacked in closure, like it's missing something to fully make this series a 10 for me, idk. The only thing that I could think of is that them becoming friends was too fast, instead of them making the progression of the relationship a bit more realistic with the remaining run time of the ep. 9.5/10 Takopii no Genzai : 9.5/10 |
JayDaAnimeLordAug 1, 10:39 PM
"Hard work is worthless for those that don’t believe in themselves" - Naruto Uzumaki |
Aug 1, 10:44 PM
#282
Fuckin peak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Aug 1, 10:55 PM
#283
Reply to IzanaSolos
My god, six episodes in and Takopii is still the same annoying mess he was at the start. He finally got his memories back last episode, and yet he's still going around saying things like, "DoN't YoU WaNna SeE ShIzUkA HaPPy?" Like seriously? Please for the lvoe of god, FUCKING STOP. At least Azuma showed some actual development. Meanwhile, Takopii hasn’t changed a bit, still clinging to this version of Shizuka that barely even feels like Shizuka anymore.
But ofc, since it’s the final episode and we have to force a happy ending, we somehow manage to change the mind of a literal murderer in under three minutes, because that totally makes sense. And then we reset the timeline, effectively making everything that happened completely pointless. What a joke. Oh, and somehow Marina and Shizuka magically remember Takopii after all that, just conveniently enough to give us a feel-good bonding moment at the end.
God, the show was already awful, but this ending honestly rivals disasters like Darling in the FranXX, truly. And the similarities are hard to ignore, both are carried almost entirely by their animation, with everything else falling apart. That said, I’m still genuinely curious to see where the studio goes from here. ENISHIYA is easily one of the most interesting new companies to emerge this decade. I just hope their next project actually lives up to their potential instead of being another frustrating waste of talent.
But ofc, since it’s the final episode and we have to force a happy ending, we somehow manage to change the mind of a literal murderer in under three minutes, because that totally makes sense. And then we reset the timeline, effectively making everything that happened completely pointless. What a joke. Oh, and somehow Marina and Shizuka magically remember Takopii after all that, just conveniently enough to give us a feel-good bonding moment at the end.
God, the show was already awful, but this ending honestly rivals disasters like Darling in the FranXX, truly. And the similarities are hard to ignore, both are carried almost entirely by their animation, with everything else falling apart. That said, I’m still genuinely curious to see where the studio goes from here. ENISHIYA is easily one of the most interesting new companies to emerge this decade. I just hope their next project actually lives up to their potential instead of being another frustrating waste of talent.
@IzanaSolos Bro hates the show with all his heart, being part of the minority. |
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Aug 1, 11:04 PM
#285
UNA OBRA MAESTRA QUE PARA MI ES EL MEJOR ANIME DE LA TEMPORADA Y SEGURAMENTE DEL AÑO, POR LOS TEMAS QUE TRATA, DESARROLLO DE PERSONAJES, ANIMACIÓN Y POR LA VALENTÍA DEL ESTUDIO DE ANIMACIÓN POR ADAPTAR UNA OBRA MUY COMPLICADA Y A LA VEZ MUY PODEROSA EN TODO LO QUE ENGLOBA Y EN COMO LO CUENTA |
Aug 1, 11:15 PM
#286
Dred_Sins said: Trash Ending. Why do Shizuka and Marina randomly remember Takopi in the new timeline? Why did the author think it was a good idea to have the deux ex machina camera return? Seriously, there are so many things that they could have expanded on if they wanted to give this series a better ending. The best part of the episode is when Shizuka is venting to Takopi and he apologizes for not being smart enough to understand the reality of the world. Everything after that squanders all of that for no reason. Takopi brings out the camera to change everything after it was already broken because the series decides to magically invent a new power because he got his memory back last episode. Then when we do the time travel shenanigans again and then Shizuka is beaten to an inch of her life by Marina and suddenly Marina just stops???? Then they become besties? I'd like to emphasize that the last two sentences are questions that will never be answered because it is NOT EXPLAINED. There is literally no explanation, it just happens! The show main message is carried out and thus no more story left to tell so the ending just need to exist for one Marina and Shizuka vaguely remember Takopi and thus bonded is cheesy but it works Takopi probably always been able to use his happy power to fix the camera but never felt the need to until it realises that the current event arent fixable and also now it has to "pay for it sin"(being so ignorant) As for needing of explanation. There isnt need for one, this isnt a Shounen with power system, daily life story is completely allowed to have deus ex machina to end the story as logic isnt a requirement for the story Could the ending be a better one?Yes,plenty of ways can be done to make the ending better but for the context of this show,this current one works fine |
Aug 1, 11:16 PM
#287
What an absolutely amazing show-pi. At the end of the day, the root of their problems isn't really fixed, but they're not alone anymore. Shizuka and Marina has each other and Azuma is now bonding with his brother. That's what this show is all about, communication and loneliness. Just having someone to communicate your problems to and be by your side can ultimately save a person. I liked how vague they were with all that happened in the last timeline, it was definitely fucked up. Junya probably turned himself in, their Mom got hospitalized due to the stress of that, but despite that, Azuma was able to pep talk Takopi. Maybe if it wasn't for Azuma, we probably wouldn't have gotten this bittersweet ending. Let's not talk about the potential things Shizuka did. Not all shows have to be long, Takopi's Original Sin was short, but it was complete, and it was peak-pi. |
Aug 1, 11:18 PM
#288
Reply to DerpyFish
So the solution of the show about trying to save a bunch of kids from killing themselves, is for Takopii to kill himself. Truly incredible. Also none of the show actually happened because of time travel. So basically all the characters have vague memories of interactions but not really? I mean it's a good ending, like it had a positive outcome for the characters. But it's not very satisfying... Nevertheless, somewhat cute show. Very sad what happened in those dead timelines, good thing those just flat out didn't happen in the end. Not at all what I thought was going to happen, but it does wrap it up nicely I guess. The adult characters all being evil doesn't matter I guess because they just redirect your focus to how these two girls are now friends and everything is good now. Like good enough. Sort of a cop out though, since now Shizuka doesn't have to get over the removal of Chappy at all, and Marina still does everything for her mother and likely still gets beat at home occasionally, and Azuma's mother is still insufferable, at least some things were made slightly better thanks to Takopii's impact. And I guess that's the moral of the show. Pray that some outsider will come into your lives, watch you all unravel, then be the reason you make up. And for that I guess it was a good show. Sorta confused how Takopii survived Shizuka's wrath though, and that'll never be explained. Basically a movie length anime, and it was a pretty good movie for the most part.
@DerpyFish DerpyFish said: Marina still does everything for her mother and likely still gets beat at home occasionally Given we see her with a scar on her cheek in the after credits scene, like we saw her with in timeline one. Marina is most definitely still getting beaten at home, she just hasn't killed her mother this time around (yet) |
Aug 1, 11:20 PM
#289
It was a pretty good ending, though I'm not entirely sure I like Takopi using the camera again and sacrificing himself, it felt a little bit like a cop out. Still a good show, still something I enjoyed watching, I just don't think it quite managed to come together for the ending. |
Aug 1, 11:43 PM
#290
“Arigatou, bai bai” NOOO TAKOPIIIIII, WE’RE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE THANKFUL TO YOU ππ |
Aug 1, 11:45 PM
#291
This episode teach me if to make big happiness, we need big sacrifice |
Aug 1, 11:46 PM
#292
I think that the "magic fixes everything in the end and none of the underlying issues were resolved" reading (that I have found all too common in this thread) of the ending to be really shallow and altogether missing the point of what this work is trying to say. Not just from this last episode but from the literal beginning of this show, it's made abundantly clear that 1) Takopii does not understand human psychology, and 2) all of the gadgets that are supposed to make people happy either only provide temporary reprieve or just actually lead directly or indirectly to further suffering. Magic never has and never will fix anything in this world. The only real "magic" is communication; being able to share one's trauma with others and work towards happiness together instead of having to struggle towards it alone. This is why I don't have an issue with Takopii's sacrifice in the end. Takopii recognizes that he doesn't understand. As he's beaten by Shizuka, he states multiple times; "I'm sorry, I don't know", because he truly doesn't. Happians aren't humans, and while Takopii has over time perhaps come to understand them a bit better, even by the last episode he doesn't fully understand how a person could be both good and bad (a thing that Naoki understands so easily, because that's just how things are for humans). Takopii doesn't have any answers; his magic won't do anything for Shizuka and Marina. He can't dig into the kid's psyches and analyze their root traumas, and he can't address the adults and their traumas either. Think about how many times Takopii misconstrues the relationships and actions of the parents throughout this show. Takopii simply doesn't understand why humans act the way they do, why hurt people hurt people. So what does Takopii finally understand? What did he learn from his experience on the Happy Planet? What was his final regret, his actual original sin? It's that he didn't talk to anyone before he left. This is the heart of this show. Even though Takopii is useless in actually resolving any real problems, he understands that simply by virtue of communicating; talking with others and listening to them in turn, happiness (or at least the road towards it) can be found. Takopii doesn't "fix" anything via time travel and going back to the original timeline. He doesn't "fix" Marina and Shizuka or their broken families. He can't see that the broken adults in their lives are brought to justice for their abuses. So what can he do? That's right. He can remind them of a shared experience. However faint of a memory, evoked by the tiniest of pictures, he can push Marina and Shizuka ever so slightly in a different direction. One where their lives still undoubtedly suck; but one where they can at least talk and sympathize in their experiences as survivors. Or maybe just about something completely absurd, like a ballpoint pen of a rabbit from Saturn. While compared to the other timelines where Marina kills her mother/she is killed and Shizuka runs away, this ending is undoubtedly more "happy", though I don't actually see it as a truly happy conclusion. There is still unresolved trauma and broken families. Scarred lines made from glass still left on skin. Those things aren't so easily resolved, no Happian magic able to heal those scars. Takopii doesn't leave Marina and Shizuka with a happy conclusion; no, he leaves them with a memory of hope that one day they can maybe understand each other. What comes next is ultimately up to them. I think that the critique of "no effort was actually made to find a real resolution" (ergo, the ending was unearned) just misses what the show is actually trying to do. Do you really think Takopii was designed and written to be the type of character that breaks down character's psyche's, makes them confront their trauma, and work towards realistic solutions to abusive family lives? Hell no! He's an alien with a warped view of happiness with initially zero understanding of human psychology. This story is about him learning about the contradictory ways humans can think and act, and finally understanding that when there is no magical route to happiness, communication with each other is sometimes all we have left. While I do think that the pacing could have undoubtedly been better, for what I believe this show was trying to achieve, this ending communicates enough about its themes to be quite poignant, at least for me personally. There are of course other valid critiques of this show that I fully acknowledge. The depictions of abuse and domestic violence I have heard felt sort of "un-real" and over dramatized by some people, which is something I can fully understand. The general tone and writing of the show I have also seen critiqued multiple times as well, and while I very much hesitate to call the show manipulative (as I believe it does tread carefully and maturely around most of its sensitive topics), I think it's inevitable with any work of this subject matter to face scrutiny over how it can potentially play with viewer's emotions (and if that is actually earned or just cheap melodrama). I will also say that I am extremely happy that they decided to use the full version of Glass Lines for the final ED. While the shorter version used in episodes 1-5 is also great, I do genuinely think that watching the music video for the full version of the song can really enhance one's experience of the show, especially if done after watching episode one. There are just so many lyrics that fit into place once you watch the video and then go on to complete the show; a few that have I have referenced in this post already. Screenshots of some of those lines featured below! https://youtu.be/drS7STiDBCY?si=xHeQmAUhe6HKgTRV Curious as to what I gave this show in the end? Check my profile :) |
OppositeDayAug 1, 11:53 PM
Aug 1, 11:58 PM
#293
The anime has two modes to enjoy. First, Takopi is on Earth, the cause and effect of which are explained in episodes 1 through 5, or second, Takopi is not on Earth, which is explained in episode 6. Many people said the ending wasn't less impressive, but I think it serves as a reflection. |
Aug 2, 12:03 AM
#294
Reply to OppositeDay
I think that the "magic fixes everything in the end and none of the underlying issues were resolved" reading (that I have found all too common in this thread) of the ending to be really shallow and altogether missing the point of what this work is trying to say. Not just from this last episode but from the literal beginning of this show, it's made abundantly clear that 1) Takopii does not understand human psychology, and 2) all of the gadgets that are supposed to make people happy either only provide temporary reprieve or just actually lead directly or indirectly to further suffering. Magic never has and never will fix anything in this world. The only real "magic" is communication; being able to share one's trauma with others and work towards happiness together instead of having to struggle towards it alone.
This is why I don't have an issue with Takopii's sacrifice in the end. Takopii recognizes that he doesn't understand. As he's beaten by Shizuka, he states multiple times; "I'm sorry, I don't know", because he truly doesn't. Happians aren't humans, and while Takopii has over time perhaps come to understand them a bit better, even by the last episode he doesn't fully understand how a person could be both good and bad (a thing that Naoki understands so easily, because that's just how things are for humans). Takopii doesn't have any answers; his magic won't do anything for Shizuka and Marina. He can't dig into the kid's psyches and analyze their root traumas, and he can't address the adults and their traumas either. Think about how many times Takopii misconstrues the relationships and actions of the parents throughout this show. Takopii simply doesn't understand why humans act the way they do, why hurt people hurt people.
So what does Takopii finally understand? What did he learn from his experience on the Happy Planet? What was his final regret, his actual original sin? It's that he didn't talk to anyone before he left. This is the heart of this show. Even though Takopii is useless in actually resolving any real problems, he understands that simply by virtue of communicating; talking with others and listening to them in turn, happiness (or at least the road towards it) can be found. Takopii doesn't "fix" anything via time travel and going back to the original timeline. He doesn't "fix" Marina and Shizuka or their broken families. He can't see that the broken adults in their lives are brought to justice for their abuses. So what can he do? That's right. He can remind them of a shared experience. However faint of a memory, evoked by the tiniest of pictures, he can push Marina and Shizuka ever so slightly in a different direction. One where their lives still undoubtedly suck; but one where they can at least talk and sympathize in their experiences as survivors. Or maybe just about something completely absurd, like a ballpoint pen of a rabbit from Saturn.
While compared to the other timelines where Marina kills her mother/she is killed and Shizuka runs away, this ending is undoubtedly more "happy", though I don't actually see it as a truly happy conclusion. There is still unresolved trauma and broken families. Scarred lines made from glass still left on skin. Those things aren't so easily resolved, no Happian magic able to heal those scars. Takopii doesn't leave Marina and Shizuka with a happy conclusion; no, he leaves them with a memory of hope that one day they can maybe understand each other. What comes next is ultimately up to them.
I think that the critique of "no effort was actually made to find a real resolution" (ergo, the ending was unearned) just misses what the show is actually trying to do. Do you really think Takopii was designed and written to be the type of character that breaks down character's psyche's, makes them confront their trauma, and work towards realistic solutions to abusive family lives? Hell no! He's an alien with a warped view of happiness with initially zero understanding of human psychology. This story is about him learning about the contradictory ways humans can think and act, and finally understanding that when there is no magical route to happiness, communication with each other is sometimes all we have left. While I do think that the pacing could have undoubtedly been better, for what I believe this show was trying to achieve, this ending communicates enough about its themes to be quite poignant, at least for me personally.
There are of course other valid critiques of this show that I fully acknowledge. The depictions of abuse and domestic violence I have heard felt sort of "un-real" and over dramatized by some people, which is something I can fully understand. The general tone and writing of the show I have also seen critiqued multiple times as well, and while I very much hesitate to call the show manipulative (as I believe it does tread carefully and maturely around most of its sensitive topics), I think it's inevitable with any work of this subject matter to face scrutiny over how it can potentially play with viewer's emotions (and if that is actually earned or just cheap melodrama).
I will also say that I am extremely happy that they decided to use the full version of Glass Lines for the final ED. While the shorter version used in episodes 1-5 is also great, I do genuinely think that watching the music video for the full version of the song can really enhance one's experience of the show, especially if done after watching episode one. There are just so many lyrics that fit into place once you watch the video and then go on to complete the show; a few that have I have referenced in this post already. Screenshots of some of those lines featured below!




https://youtu.be/drS7STiDBCY?si=xHeQmAUhe6HKgTRV
Curious as to what I gave this show in the end? Check my profile :)
This is why I don't have an issue with Takopii's sacrifice in the end. Takopii recognizes that he doesn't understand. As he's beaten by Shizuka, he states multiple times; "I'm sorry, I don't know", because he truly doesn't. Happians aren't humans, and while Takopii has over time perhaps come to understand them a bit better, even by the last episode he doesn't fully understand how a person could be both good and bad (a thing that Naoki understands so easily, because that's just how things are for humans). Takopii doesn't have any answers; his magic won't do anything for Shizuka and Marina. He can't dig into the kid's psyches and analyze their root traumas, and he can't address the adults and their traumas either. Think about how many times Takopii misconstrues the relationships and actions of the parents throughout this show. Takopii simply doesn't understand why humans act the way they do, why hurt people hurt people.
So what does Takopii finally understand? What did he learn from his experience on the Happy Planet? What was his final regret, his actual original sin? It's that he didn't talk to anyone before he left. This is the heart of this show. Even though Takopii is useless in actually resolving any real problems, he understands that simply by virtue of communicating; talking with others and listening to them in turn, happiness (or at least the road towards it) can be found. Takopii doesn't "fix" anything via time travel and going back to the original timeline. He doesn't "fix" Marina and Shizuka or their broken families. He can't see that the broken adults in their lives are brought to justice for their abuses. So what can he do? That's right. He can remind them of a shared experience. However faint of a memory, evoked by the tiniest of pictures, he can push Marina and Shizuka ever so slightly in a different direction. One where their lives still undoubtedly suck; but one where they can at least talk and sympathize in their experiences as survivors. Or maybe just about something completely absurd, like a ballpoint pen of a rabbit from Saturn.
While compared to the other timelines where Marina kills her mother/she is killed and Shizuka runs away, this ending is undoubtedly more "happy", though I don't actually see it as a truly happy conclusion. There is still unresolved trauma and broken families. Scarred lines made from glass still left on skin. Those things aren't so easily resolved, no Happian magic able to heal those scars. Takopii doesn't leave Marina and Shizuka with a happy conclusion; no, he leaves them with a memory of hope that one day they can maybe understand each other. What comes next is ultimately up to them.
I think that the critique of "no effort was actually made to find a real resolution" (ergo, the ending was unearned) just misses what the show is actually trying to do. Do you really think Takopii was designed and written to be the type of character that breaks down character's psyche's, makes them confront their trauma, and work towards realistic solutions to abusive family lives? Hell no! He's an alien with a warped view of happiness with initially zero understanding of human psychology. This story is about him learning about the contradictory ways humans can think and act, and finally understanding that when there is no magical route to happiness, communication with each other is sometimes all we have left. While I do think that the pacing could have undoubtedly been better, for what I believe this show was trying to achieve, this ending communicates enough about its themes to be quite poignant, at least for me personally.
There are of course other valid critiques of this show that I fully acknowledge. The depictions of abuse and domestic violence I have heard felt sort of "un-real" and over dramatized by some people, which is something I can fully understand. The general tone and writing of the show I have also seen critiqued multiple times as well, and while I very much hesitate to call the show manipulative (as I believe it does tread carefully and maturely around most of its sensitive topics), I think it's inevitable with any work of this subject matter to face scrutiny over how it can potentially play with viewer's emotions (and if that is actually earned or just cheap melodrama).
I will also say that I am extremely happy that they decided to use the full version of Glass Lines for the final ED. While the shorter version used in episodes 1-5 is also great, I do genuinely think that watching the music video for the full version of the song can really enhance one's experience of the show, especially if done after watching episode one. There are just so many lyrics that fit into place once you watch the video and then go on to complete the show; a few that have I have referenced in this post already. Screenshots of some of those lines featured below!
https://youtu.be/drS7STiDBCY?si=xHeQmAUhe6HKgTRV
Curious as to what I gave this show in the end? Check my profile :)
@OppositeDay, I was just about to write a lot of that post myself but you beat me to it lol. The only real differences I would have made were about the abuse, which I find horrifyingly plausible in comparison to some things you see in the news, and the two girls' relationship because I think they end up more frenemies than friends. Their mutual attraction comes from shared experiences, which somehow just about wins out over the hatred caused by those same experiences. Or at least, that's how I'd read that kick in the flash-forward at the end, which I see as a sort of ritualization of Marina's antagonism. |
Aug 2, 12:11 AM
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cinema................ |
Aug 2, 12:13 AM
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Reply to Thoguht
@OppositeDay, I was just about to write a lot of that post myself but you beat me to it lol. The only real differences I would have made were about the abuse, which I find horrifyingly plausible in comparison to some things you see in the news, and the two girls' relationship because I think they end up more frenemies than friends. Their mutual attraction comes from shared experiences, which somehow just about wins out over the hatred caused by those same experiences. Or at least, that's how I'd read that kick in the flash-forward at the end, which I see as a sort of ritualization of Marina's antagonism.
@Thoguht Haha, sorry to steal your thunder but glad there are others that think similarly :) I mostly brought up the abuse in reference to other people's critiques, not my own personal thoughts on it. I agree that there are many times where the depictions of abuse feel hauntingly real, and I like the idea of Shizuka and Marina becoming frenemies; it does definitely seem like a plausible development for a situation where, like you said, bonding over mutual experience just barely wins out against hatred and malice (over things that, after talking about it, they probably came to understand were just legitimately out of their control.) |
Aug 2, 12:24 AM
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Aug 2, 12:33 AM
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Aug 2, 12:35 AM
#299
**"First of all, I apologize, because in the episode 5 discussion forum, I mistakenly thought that Shizuka killed Takopi. But I'm curious—what actually happened after Shizuka was about to hit Takopi with a rock on that Tokyo city street? Why did Takopi suddenly end up under the concrete structure—the same place where he first met Shizuka and Marin? Also, was the news about the two missing girls in Tokyo caused by Shizuka? But the two girls were found safe in the end, right? |
Aug 2, 12:36 AM
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First of all, I apologize, because in the episode 5 discussion forum, I mistakenly thought that Shizuka killed Takopi. But I'm curious—what actually happened after Shizuka was about to hit Takopi with a rock on that Tokyo city street? Why did Takopi suddenly end up under the concrete structure—the same place where he first met Shizuka and Marin? Also, was the news about the two missing girls in Tokyo caused by Shizuka? But the two girls were found safe in the end, right? |
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