Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Gou Episode 15 Discussion

Flimsyfrog said:
Also, I really didn’t understand that part with Rika. She said something about how it’s strange to see Oiishi and Keiichi interacting so comfortably around each other during mahjong, but like she already saw this happen before in the VN. This is supposed to be a sequel, right? I swear it feels like sometimes, it doesn’t feel like one and Rika is literally going through things for the very first time.

Jean-Antoine said:


Comparing with what she completely forgot about Takano and Yamainu - your remark is quite miserable...but yeh, about everything else - you are right

ssjokg said:


I dont think she forgot that. Takano and Yamainu seem irrelevant to what is happening. Sure they were sus that one time in Watadamashi. But she cant really do anything about them. Takano bailed out as well.

Flimsyfrog said:
What an awful dumpster fire of an episode... It’s totally cool to ruin these established characters like Akasaka and Mion’s mom and Oiishi as long as we say that the ruuuules are different now, anybody can kill anybody! Oh, but showing why such characters with strong mentality broke down like this and went insane? Nah, we’re just going to skip all that and go to the final chance Rika has,...

Jean-Antoine said:


"Takano and Yamainu seem irrelevant"? yeh-yeh, as you say, my friend, but how Rika known about that?

ssjokg said:


We dont have any clues if she knows or not. The only times she even interacted with them was in arc 1, when she gave head pat to Tomitake and in Watadamashi when she was a bit uncomfortable whan Takano arrived.

At the very least she knows that Takano was the mastermind in the old loops. Did she investigate anything in Gou? No freaking clue because we wasted 13 episodes in filler content.

Jean-Antoine said:


What did she do then they "saved" Satoko? - Nothing, she acts like CPS was the final boss. If she KNOWS - why didn't she knows everything else, and, if DIDN'T - why did she acting like everything is FINE?

ssjokg said:

Because the writer fucked up? They, be it R07 or someone else, even fucked up Akasaka's timeline. He shouldnt have talked to Rika in 78, if he had rushed back home.

She even says in ep2 that she knows who the mastermind is. Rika doesnt forget when a loop starts; she doesnt remember even in the world of fragments.

Jean-Antoine said:


YES!

so...are you gonna rate this as 1? because THIS should not exist!

ssjokg said:


Not 1/10, but I will really think about even giving it a 5/10. It has good ideas but holy fuck this is just an atrocious execution.

Jean-Antoine said:


DOES NOT DESERVE!

It was presented as a remake - and it was a lie,
For just one lie to all those who watched Higurashi for the first time - it didn't deserve above 1.

ssjokg said:


I wouldnt have reached episode 15 if it was a 1.

Jean-Antoine said:


If you are the real fan of No Naku Koro Ni - you are gonna watch no matter that,
BUT, If you are the real fan of No Naku Koro Ni - you are NOT gonna tolerate this crap.

Jean-Antoine said:


DOES NOT DESERVE!

It was presented as a remake - and it was a lie,
For just one lie to all those who watched Higurashi for the first time - it didn't deserve above 1.

kagmole said:
As for the plot, wait and see.

kagmole said:


I find it really hard to give a lower score than 5/10, as it would usually mean that it's not my kind of anime, not that the anime is bad per se; I would feel bad to give a 1/10.

For example, some people liked how the episode went. If everyone were like "dude, wtf is this sh*t?", then okay, maybe a 1/10 is deserved.

In addition, the season is not over yet... maybe there will be a mind-blowing-everything-make-sense-now episode (or not :p).

1/10 would also mean "everything is garbage", but the music is good, you can hate the chara-design but still admit there is worse out there, etc.

As for the plot, wait and see.

Jean-Antoine said:

you can't go easy on someone because "there is worse out there", "he is not a Hitler, after all", NO, "there is worse out there" isn't a justification - it is virus,
We must not tolerate this, we must show, each and everyone of us, individually, that we against it, no need to go "objectively" on it, THIS SHOULD NOT EXIST, AND 1 - IS EXACT RATING FOR THAT.

It is bad, EVERYTHING OF IT. And there is no such a thing as mind-blowing-everything-make-sense-now that can undo that we already have.

I am not watching every ongoing out there, and, yeh, maybe were ARE bad anime, but THIS not only a spit in souls of every Higurashi fan with this quality, directing and story, nah - this is nothing, THIS is also a "REMAKE" - in another words "LIE",
You already know how many people out there ruined they own experience with story - and this is point of no return for them "ENJOY THIS, OR ENJOY NOTHING".

So please, ask yourself "Would it be better without Gou" - and if the anwser is YES, please, tell this at least to one person - and we will make world better.

(music is good, because it is in 80% OG soundtrack)

PlayMaker22 said:


You'are a little frustrated man, calm down

Jean-Antoine said:


you can't go easy on someone because "there is worse out there", "he is not a Hitler, after all", NO, "there is worse out there" isn't a justification - it is virus,
We must not tolerate this, we must show, each and everyone of us, individually, that we against it, no need to go "objectively" on it, THIS SHOULD NOT EXIST, AND 1 - IS EXACT RATING FOR THAT.

It is bad, EVERYTHING OF IT. And there is no such a thing as mind-blowing-everything-make-sense-now that can undo that we already have.

I am not watching every ongoing out there, and, yeh, maybe were ARE bad anime, but THIS not only a spit in souls of every Higurashi fan with this quality, directing and story, nah - this is nothing, THIS is also a "REMAKE" - in another words "LIE",
You already know how many people out there ruined they own experience with story - and this is point of no return for them "ENJOY THIS, OR ENJOY NOTHING".

So please, ask yourself "Would it be better without Gou" - and if the anwser is YES, please, tell this at least to one person - and we will make world better.

(music is good, because it is in 80% OG soundtrack)

rafaelfserafim said:
Are you from the CPS? Hee hee hee.

Jean-Antoine said:
you can't go easy on someone because "there is worse out there", "he is not a Hitler, after all", NO, "there is worse out there" isn't a justification - it is virus,
We must not tolerate this, we must show, each and everyone of us, individually, that we against it, no need to go "objectively" on it, THIS SHOULD NOT EXIST, AND 1 - IS EXACT RATING FOR THAT.

It is bad, EVERYTHING OF IT. And there is no such a thing as mind-blowing-everything-make-sense-now that can undo that we already have.

I am not watching every ongoing out there, and, yeh, maybe were ARE bad anime, but THIS not only a spit in souls of every Higurashi fan with this quality, directing and story, nah - this is nothing, THIS is also a "REMAKE" - in another words "LIE",
You already know how many people out there ruined they own experience with story - and this is point of no return for them "ENJOY THIS, OR ENJOY NOTHING".

So please, ask yourself "Would it be better without Gou" - and if the anwser is YES, please, tell this at least to one person - and we will make world better.

(music is good, because it is in 80% OG soundtrack)

kagmole said:


My cover is ruined! It's not my fault if she said that everything was fine every time! D:



I, too, was surprised with the start of episode 2, and overall am not a fan of this remake/sequel mix as well. I'm with you on this.

But still, saying that the whole team behind this is 1/10 is too much. Even if 5/10 is the average score, it can already be considered "bad".

To be honest the main issue is the rating system, and the problem is not only on MAL. You have to give one, general score for a whole set of parameters (music, animation, design, story...), and while you will give a 10/10 on a product because it was beautiful (because, for example, you value more music and design) someone else will give a 1/10 because he hated it (if he values more the story and it was bad).

You can always do an average of all parameters, but what if the product was supposed to just be a beautiful experience (visually) without a big story behind? Should I really give a bad score to the product because I wanted a good story? For me, it's just that it wasn't my taste, and I would feel bad to give a 1/10.

Yes, there are reviews with details, but still: the first thing that "pops" is the score.

Don't get me wrong: I am not saying Higurashi Gou is a masterpiece and defending it blindly.

It's just that I feel people use too easily the 10/10 (aka "my life has changed after this *-*") or 1/10 (aka "eyes are overrated") ratings. Between 3-5/10 is already a good "they f*cked that up" flag.

And maybe there will be no "mind-blowing-everything-make-sense-now" (probably), but at least a uh-ok-i-see-now-but-it-could-have-been-better episode/arc. Hard to say... since it is still airing. :p

CptJackSparrow said:
Every ark besides of the first one is clearly missing the slowly increasing creepiness and suspicioin towars some characters.
In OG you never really knew when shit started to hit the fan BUT the series kept you on the edge of your seat. You always expected somethign to happen.
In this version its more like "oh yeah lets watch their happy times because in episode 4 or 5 of this chapter all will die quickly."

makes it pretty boring to this point. Im hoping that the answer arcs will give us some more OG like episodes.

MegamiRem said:
Okay I was fine with everything that happened till now but come on man Akasaka killing Rika is a bit too much. I didn't like it at all. This episode was just random gore. Alternates where one of the hinamizawa people gets berserk and goes on a massacre. Can't say liked this that much.

Flimsyfrog said:
What an awful dumpster fire of an episode right here. This is quite possibly the worst anime episode I’ve ever seen in terms of sheer disappointment and pointlessness. Characters (poor Rena) and important scenes (the maggots) are just caricatures of what they used to be, the repetitiveness of Rika dying in just one episode with nothing to lead up to it or show any of her struggles make me not care a single bit about her when she used to be the person I really cheered and sympathized for in the VN. They decided to cut out all the story that could have taken place in the coming episodes about Rika’s final chances to make her last stand in favor of showing, “hey, look, this character suddenly is going crazy! Wow so unexpected! It’s totally cool to ruin these established characters like Akasaka and Mion’s mom and Oiishi as long as we say that the ruuuules are different now, anybody can kill anybody! Oh, but showing why such characters with strong mentality broke down like this and went insane? Nah, we’re just going to skip all that and go to the final chance Rika has, I’m sure doing such a thing will totally make watchers intrigued to see more, right? We’ll even add Rika counting down the number of tries she has left with her hand and a snap of her fingers before she dies cuz that’s kind of cool, right? And watchers will be reeeally sure how many chances she has left because they probably don’t know how to count.”

They can’t even do the horror right. Like if this was a trash story but at least scary to watch, at least I wouldn’t feel like I wasted my time watching this. The repetitive, ugly animations, shiny and oily art style, “itchy itchy”, the lack of suspense and any psychological horror, complete loss of any supernatural aspect to the show, horror scenes that made me laugh outwardly at times... seriously, what is the point of this sequel? What is it trying to make watchers feel? Is it trying to make watchers feel bad for Rika? Cuz it’s doing quite a poor job at it, at least for me. I mean, we didn’t even see her struggle to survive or do anything the extra mile as a last stand in this episode, she just dies and that’s it.

Not even going to comment on the first 13 episodes and how pointless they all felt. I just had to make a comment on this week’s episode simply due to just how disappointed I was after the promising episode 14. Like episode 14 was by far the best episode in this season because it showed new stakes and was not just a rehash of past original anime/VN content but worse. So to follow up the best episode in the season with the worst episode by far in higurashi standards, it’s honestly just sad. I kept trying to give Gou the benefit of the doubt and thinking, oh, we’re in the first half of the show, the second half will explain everything properly and execute it competently, but I’ve lost a lot of faith. If they don’t even know how to make the first half compelling as a mystery and failed to make me care about the characters in this show, how can they competently write the second half then?

Also, I really didn’t understand that part with Rika. She said something about how it’s strange to see Oiishi and Keiichi interacting so comfortably around each other during mahjong, but like she already saw this happen before in the VN. This is supposed to be a sequel, right? I swear it feels like sometimes, it doesn’t feel like one and Rika is literally going through things for the very first time.

rafaelfserafim said:
This talk about scores, if nothing really impressive, even if the end is something I was already guessing, happens, it probably has a 3~5/10 waiting for it from me. You know what's worse than fanservice? Fandisservice. I hope they have a really good reason to bring a story that was already over and sealed back again.

rafaelfserafim said:
To everyone who thought there was a contradiction about Akasaka's events in Himatsubushi, I've found the answer. The only fragments Akasaka returns to his wife, bailing his job, are Minagoroshi and any other untold fragments that happened before. I'll use spoiler tags, but I'll try to be as vague as possible:

ssjokg said:


The problem is that the flashback clearly shows an Akasaka that was injured in the mission when Ooishi clearly states that he left his post to go back to his wife.

rafaelfserafim said:
But he GOT injured, instead of return, he made a phone call to warn her to be cautious. He continued on his mission, and she didn't go upstairs, a janitor got injured instead and that's it. She told him what happened after he came back. He spent that night on Irie Clinic after being shot at the end of the operation at Yagouchi. The reason he doesn't come in every arc is

ssjokg said:


Maybe it's the fact that I havent slept yet but what does any of that have to do with what I said?

This isnt Matsuribayashi.
Ooishi says that Akasaka abandoned his job 5 years ago, that is in 1978.
Akasaka confirms it by saying that he went back to the hospital and that on that day someone else got injured in the same place we all know. No mention or implication of phonecall.
And yet we see an injured Akasaka that clearly stayed in the village even after his mission was completed.

random_weirdo said:
@rafaelfserafim @ssjokg

In Minagoroshi, Ooishi also says that Akasaka left while on the job because he was worried about his wife. Akasaka staying on the job and calling Yukie to ask her to be careful only happens in Matsuribayashi.

The only explanation I can find for the flashback is that it's Rika's perspective, who is remembering what she told to Akasaka in '78. However, it happens in the middle of Akasaka's speech, so reason makes us assume that it is Akasaka's flashback, not Rika's. That was poorly handled and the result of introducing a character without having Himatsubushi to explain him properly.

Btw, I also noticed that in that Gou scene, they didn't even explain that Yukie was pregnant, and they only talk about the worker having an accident in the stairs. So it basically makes Akasaka a chump who got afraid of his wife tripping on some stairs.

ssjokg said:


#AkasakaSimpForYukie

And in Matsuri Akasaka pretty much had come back because he had a Final Destination-whatever moment and did further investigation. Akasaka in that arc is a queen piece that rolled 6 d20 dice.