Owari no Seraph: Nagoya Kessen-hen Episode 10 Discussion

amysenpai said:
I think two men could kiss on screen and straight guys will still claim it's bromance. Hilarious. :')

Chiibi said:
I almost died from the cute. XD

Still don't find it 'romantic' though.


Queerbaiting.

ReinisM said:


My thoughts exactly!

yuyyuka said:
You are welcome.

Yes, the term 'fujobait' is used whenever two guys or more have close, intimate scenes which for most male watchers/readers is nothing serious but just fanservice for the fujoshi. They really delete the whole importance of a scene like that. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there is not fanservice in this episode but it's NOT only that. The scenes between them were not created to focus on that but rather on how the relationship between Yuu and Mika have changed, the risks they are willing to take, how they will move from now on etc.

And yes, we better wait for the end of the manga. I really don't think Mikayuu will happen but you never know.

PinkSheep said:
Because any close male interaction is always gay I'm gonna laugh when YuuNoa happens and all the kids are gonna get upset about it I bet a lot of them haven't even seen actual yaoi

PinkSheep said:

Fanfics are crap Ofc this rumor starts that vampires drink blood to replace sex I don't believe that I read people posting apparently both people feel good when they're drinking but I don't think that's true at all from what I've seen

kawaii-despair said:
You could see the rainbows in today’s episode

DimensionKnight said:
..........

No. 6 is actually targeted towards Shõjo demographic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._6

Get your facts right people.

RealExtinction said:


Thanks for the explanation, I was wondering what anyone thought about this but now I get it...

And I seem to have stumbled on a rather hypocritical subject I never would have even thought of if it wasn't for this thread, screaming "fujobait" all around as if guys can't like this sort of trash, or as if it was a proven fact that Yuu/Mika is not official...let's wait for the end of the manga shall we..? K thanks.

DimensionKnight said:
..........

No. 6 is actually targeted towards Shõjo demographic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._6

Get your facts right people.

MetaKite said:

I don't mean to pry but how old are you and from what region of the world are you from? I ask because your response here indicates you are likely very naive, inexperienced in world social views and possibly very sheltered. In media, default couples are always assumed to be heterosexual as the norm unless specifically identified as not being so because that is is the overall accepted norm in the world. Sure, this is changing but majority of the world think a couple is a straight man and straight a woman. (Even the terminology is bias with the undertones of the word straight itself. if you are not straight then you are crooked, flawed or wrong).

RealExtinction said:


Yes, you did mean to pry.

Sooo...what makes you think lowering someone else makes you look smarter?

Anyway, if you didn't understand the point I was making, you could have just said so and I would have said practically the same thing you did only I wouldn't need to look down on you now for your ignorant comment?

The point I was trying to make was, indeed, it's the fact we live in a "straight" society, at least one media is still trying to show so hard (where I live this is the case), that no matter the amount of homosexuality we are exposed to in any form of media that is not labeled as such - is considered bad. What I was saying, dear person, is that I am tired of seeing this. I am tired of people reacting negatively about any homosexual premise in a series. Because let's face it, for example - if either Mika or Yuu were female, no one would leave such negative comments (of course, haters gonna hate, but it wouldn't get this much hate or it wouldn't be bashed so much). It's because they are two guys that it's still viewed in a negative way, which is the case outside anime/media in many parts of the world too (where I live, again, especially).

Calling something "fujobait" just because you don't agree with how two guys were portrait in a shounen series, because obviously there are no shounen series with gay characters, in my eyes, is deadly wrong. So I was wondering why something can't be called "hetbait" in a reversed situation...oh wait, that's right, because it's the "norm" and no gayness is allowed to be a norm. Got it got it.

So, sweetheart, before you talk badly about someone, without knowing anything about their background or what they actually meant (because you clearly didn't read the entire conversation and took it out of context) - learn to ask or keep your mouth shut. No one needs your hate here, or is curious about your life experiences.

Have an awesome day. :)

P.S. learn to read sarcasm in places where it's necessary. Thanks.

MetaKite said:

You think this is me lowering you? Boy, you have a lot to learn. You come off as very naive because it seems 90% of narratives ever have gone over your head with the way you phrased your rhetorical question. It was going to be A) You are very young and just naive or B) You just fail at trying to be philosophical to make a point on simple double standard issues. It's the latter. I get it now.

Are you saying you are ignorant?

Nah, you're just overly optimistic and hoping for something that just won't happen. I would personally love for it to happen actually but I have seen time and time again, Japan just won't do that with the main protagonist unless they plan to kill one off horribly (it was nearly 20 years ago my heart was crushed along with Kowaru's body in Evangelion. I haven't seen any much progress concerning homosexuality in Japanese media since with it always being supporting characters or villains if it's not explicitly a shonen ai or yaoi title). You're wrong to say that people wouldn't say something if they were both female. Just not as many people would protest because of the double standard but there would always be people against it for being homoerotic.

OK, I can't take you seriously. "Deadly". LOL Don't put words in my mouth just because I put you on the spot and you are super defensive about it. I have NEVER ever said there are no gay characters in shonen series so you are just talking out of your ass now. It's not that I "don't agree" with it. I just don't believe it's what you are making it to be and it is bait for fujoshi because pandering brings in revenue. You'll notice it's Yuu being insistent and being the REALLY touchy feely one and this episode he had his hands all over Mika. Now if it had been Mika who was doing all of that, I might not be so pessimistic because he clearly more than loves Yuu as family. Yet, it's Yuu we get and we all can see he might as well be a brick when it comes to anything romantic. It's just added to make people who like that sort of thing (in this case fujoshi and fudanshi) excited and have something to look forward to for fun. AKA fanservice.

No need to repeat the stupidity of the "hetbait" failed example since you knew from the moment you asked it was a silly rhetorical question. Then again you probably wanted to sound deep but just came off as sheltered and naive. as I said earlier, I get it now.

Don't call me sweetheart, you sexist pig. I'm sorry was that too harsh for your sensitivities when you are attempting to be condescending and failing at it?

I will but you weren't being sarcastic. I read the whole thing and again, your attempt to be deep and philosophical just made you seem naive and sheltered. It's all cleared up now though. You simply weren't clever in trying to get your point across.

RealExtinction said:


I said - if ONE of them was female. At least learn to read before you reply.

After so much trashtalk, I am not even sure why you bothered replying (by adding solid arguments at that). If we are on the same side when it comes to homosexuality in anime, what is the point of this argument, again? You just thought you were being smart by thinking "oh! this person is ignorant, I need to tell them asap!".....really?

I have no idea where you got the "me being defensive thing", do you think everyone replying to your commentary is being defensive..?

That's sad... But I guess it all comes down to mentality...

In the end, I didn't say YOU said there were no gay characters in anime, I was trying to make a general point on what some people think...and you took it personally. Naive move, is it not?
Oh boy, I have seen a lot of things, but you are the only person who has ever misunderstood my point (to THESE EXTREMES, like, do you have a life? Why are you trying so hard?) and English at that.

Do you even know what being sexist means before calling me one? You might as well throw this entire argument you were trying so hard to write in a trash bin.

How about you don't even try so hard to look smarter than someone else next time? Unfortunately it works both ways.
Some of us don't want to start an argument after they get silly replies to rhetorical questions, so we just kindly reply "thank you for your information" and move on...which I think you should do too, for your reply this time was not at all better (since you skipped from bashing to understanding...like...read the entire post first before replying in parts? This is stupid).

Nothing wrong with some people being sensitive (though if you think I am the sensitive one here...well, lol, joke's on you) or not being able to get their point across...1) We are all different, 2) It's not my fault you can't read into the atmosphere and instead assume things about someone in extremes, 3) Not everyone is English. By the end of the day, you never know what kind of person you are talking to. You think it's save to say the things you do because it's internet and you are probably oceans across from this person, but...what you are doing is just not okay. I am speaking for any other person you might come across in the future, not myself, just thought I would make this clear before you misunderstand what I am saying again.

You really need to learn to organize your thoughts, just saying.

But k, thanks, I now know who I talked to. Bye.

ultimate-otaku said:
poor shinoa...her crush has been stolen my Mika-kuuuun >w<
i knew that kimizuki's sister is somehow involved..but will we see more of shinoa's sister too ?

CraftWolf said:


That's funny. I kept laughing my ass off when the creators kept trying to make sparks between Shinoa and Yuu-chan when we all know MikaxYuu are the prefer ship.

MetaKite said:
They weren't trying to make sparks happen. Just playing both sides to give everyone a little something. Look how fast they dropped Mitsuba's interest in Yuu.

RealExtinction said:


Not all guys delete the "importance of scenes like that" entirely...lol
Just saying.
But yeah, I get what you mean...

Tsukkimaru said:


I actually find it sad that they're pushing Mitsu (as well as Yoichi and Kimizuki) away, I much prefer her over Shinoa so seeing her in the background disappoints me, and they could actually develop her feelings for Yuu a lot more than Shinoa's, especially since we know more about her past, I feel her and Yuu could bond over the way they feel like it was there fault they lost their 'family'(Yuu's orphanage and Mitsu's previous squad). It could have turned into some bittersweet feelsy romance that would have had me in tears.

Tsukkimaru said:


I actually find it sad that they're pushing Mitsu (as well as Yoichi and Kimizuki) away, I much prefer her over Shinoa so seeing her in the background disappoints me, and they could actually develop her feelings for Yuu a lot more than Shinoa's, especially since we know more about her past, I feel her and Yuu could bond over the way they feel like it was there fault they lost their 'family'(Yuu's orphanage and Mitsu's previous squad). It could have turned into some bittersweet feelsy romance that would have had me in tears.

yuyyuka said:

The thing is that while both Shinoa and Mitsuba have confirmed romantic feelings for Yuu, Shinoa has her status as Main Heroine and she is closer to the plot because of Guren. Mitsuba is your typical 'tsundere' girl that has a crush but because Shinoa's status is more important, her feelings towards Yuu wouldn't be a plot going on for a long time.

MetaKite said:

This. I'm not a fan of Shinoa and I don't believe anything will happen between her and Yuu either. I mean it took Guren spelling it out for her to realize she had feelings for him? I still say it's all just ship tease and nothing will happen between Yuu or anybody (If something does happen with Mika then it was nice knowing Mika).

yuyyuka said:
I am a fan of Shinoa and I believe her romantic feelings for Yuu are genuine, but yes we needed Guren to spell it out for her. He does it regurarly after what happened in Shinjuku and Shinoa has admitted more or less Yuu is someone very important to her. Now, I don't know how Kagami will play this with Yuu. I mean if he made Shinoa have feelings for Yuu so early in the manga, then it will continue and those feelings will play a role later on. Yuu on the other side, doesn't see her as someone special or regards her as someone more important than the rest of the team as we know from the fanbook because everyone is equal to him. But this is so far. Kagami can change this later and make Yuu start having feelings for her, but I think this will be towards the end, if it happens.

Unless your scenario does happen and it's all just ship tease and Shinoa later on doesn't act on her feelings and move on. Personally I see Yuu dying at the end but if he lives, I don't think he will end up with someone romantically.

yuyyuka said:
I am a fan of Shinoa and I believe her romantic feelings for Yuu are genuine, but yes we needed Guren to spell it out for her. He does it regurarly after what happened in Shinjuku and Shinoa has admitted more or less Yuu is someone very important to her. Now, I don't know how Kagami will play this with Yuu. I mean if he made Shinoa have feelings for Yuu so early in the manga, then it will continue and those feelings will play a role later on. Yuu on the other side, doesn't see her as someone special or regards her as someone more important than the rest of the team as we know from the fanbook because everyone is equal to him. But this is so far. Kagami can change this later and make Yuu start having feelings for her, but I think this will be towards the end, if it happens.

Unless your scenario does happen and it's all just ship tease and Shinoa later on doesn't act on her feelings and move on. Personally I see Yuu dying at the end but if he lives, I don't think he will end up with someone romantically.

Tsukkimaru said:

In my opinion Shinoa's feelings are still very fresh, ever since she's come to terms with them, we haven't seen them develop any deeper. (or at least I haven't) It's more likely Kagami gave her those feelings (as well as Mitsu's) to add the whole 'MC needs a love interest' since he really hasn't done anything with them, and instead has focused on Mika and Yuu's 'family' interaction. (which the whole franchise is based on) Personally I don't see Kagami making Shinoa confess her feelings since she can see Mika is Yuu's most important person (visa versa) and I don't think she'd get in the way of that because she cares about Yuu. (Also she's more badass single)

Honestly Kagami will most likely end up killing both Mika and Yuu (or even everyone) and have them be 'reuinited' with the orphans in some sort of bittersweet way. Or just killing one of them and ending it in some sort of tear filled 'I'll always remember you' sob fest.

Tsukkimaru said:

In my opinion Shinoa's feelings are still very fresh, ever since she's come to terms with them, we haven't seen them develop any deeper. (or at least I haven't) It's more likely Kagami gave her those feelings (as well as Mitsu's) to add the whole 'MC needs a love interest' since he really hasn't done anything with them, and instead has focused on Mika and Yuu's 'family' interaction. (which the whole franchise is based on) Personally I don't see Kagami making Shinoa confess her feelings since she can see Mika is Yuu's most important person (visa versa) and I don't think she'd get in the way of that because she cares about Yuu. (Also she's more badass single)

Honestly Kagami will most likely end up killing both Mika and Yuu (or even everyone) and have them be 'reuinited' with the orphans in some sort of bittersweet way. Or just killing one of them and ending it in some sort of tear filled 'I'll always remember you' sob fest.

MetaKite said:


I agree with Tsukkimaru but I''m very optimistic of both Yuu and Shinoa surviving. Just don't really see them ending up together since I feel like Shinoa will end up with the responsibility of leading "the people" after the fall of her family since I don't think Shinya will live. I just don't see her or Yuu dying but admittedly, I don't see Mika living because he would never live happily ever after as a vampire.

yuyyuka said:

That's true. I am not good with the time period of Owari no Seraph, but I think not more than 2-3 months has passed since Yuu met Shinoa and Yoichi till now.
No, they haven't. I re-read the manga a few weeks ago and the closest thing she said is to Guren's question if she indeed has fallen in love with Yuu and she answered 'I do not know myself, but for the first time I wanted to protect someone' or something along these lines. And after Shinjuku she starts blushing when Yuu gives his hand to her or that moment after the Shinjuku fight, she was waiting for him to wake up. I think she has a crush for now and not anything close to romantic love.

But most important person doesn't cancel if she will have romantic feelings and confess. I think it's more she sees how much Mika means to Yuu and how much Yuu wants to save him, that for the time being, until all this mess that is going on finishes, she won't say anything. I doubt in her mind there is even the thought of confessing and even if there was, she wouldn't say something now.

I hope none dies but yeah I can see Kagami killing them especially because they are Seraphs if anything or something related to them.

I would love for Shinoa to lead the Hiragi house. Kureto is awful and it's either her or Shinya.
No, I want Shinya to live, don't say that *sobs*
I think by the end Mika will become a human again. Like some sort of 'healing' because of all the suffering he has been through. But that's me being optimistic.

MetaKite said:

I think Shinoa is the only person who could possibly put a stop to Mahiru in a civil sense and not with raw power alone (that will be Seraph like Yuu or Mika). Then she would lead because she's already proving herself as a capable leader. I don't see any time for romance with all that on her plate plus the fact Yuu is just oblivious.

The problem with Shinya is he's a good friend of Guren and seemingly so loyal to a family that does not seem to want him. I can totally see him dying to protect someone. Mainly Guren. It's the same for Mika who lives for Yuu and will die to protect him in a heartbeat. I just don't see any positive end for Mika with the exception of keeping his promise to protect Yuu at all costs. Unless it's what you say and they both die ina blaze of glory saving the world. (I can see all the together in death fanfics already.)

I think Mika will just be another tragic character voiced by Ono Kenshou.

yuyyuka said:
I am going to sound very biased here but I either want Mika to live or him and Yuu to die together. I would hate if he dies alone, my soul won't take it ;_;

Renaultclio101 said:
Mika is soo annoying, look at what he done to the whole team,fallen apart. Mika you're interfering too much. In other words just fucking stay as a vampire and become Yu's enemy. I hate him ruining Yu's new family

Mel96 said:
You're kidding... righ?

Renaultclio101 said:

Lets just say Mika joins Yu's team and Mika will just be in danger and even if they both escape, chances are Mika will demand human blood and suck every last drop of Yu's blood. If Yu dies then hes gonna find humans to feed on. Though if Mika went back to his vampire crew then he can feed on Krul's blood.

Yu is also to be blamed because hes a useless d*** that his anger gets better of him and it will just create more problems between them and for other people he cares about .

Mel96 said:

They are family. Why would they leave him behind for being a vampire? That sounds awful. Also Mika will most likely avoid asking for their blood as much as he can and we all know he can't live off Krul's blood anymore.
Anger? But he doesn't react out of anger anymore. Yes, he's still reckless, but he is only like that when someone of his family is in danger.
You don't like the MCs? Then why are you watching it? (I'm not trying to offend you here, just asking)

Bibimbapski said:
He fucking looks like he's having an orgasm right here.

Bibimbapski said:
That sexual tension between Yuu and Mika is pretty strong, people are fucking blind if they deny it. Blind or homophobic.

Don't fucking kid me with that "bromance" bullshit. I've seen a lot of bromance and asked my brothers and cousins about this scene and even they agree it was absolutely nothing like bromance, it's yaoi in the guise of "bromance."

The only deluded people are the ones forcing a nonexistent romance between Shinoa and Yuu when Yuu could hardly give two shits about her. He'd save anyone, he was also desperate to save his other comrades, does that mean he wants to fuck them too? I don't know about you people but I haven't seen Yuu get involved in that kind of intimacy with anyone even when brawling, he brawled a lot with Kimizuki but they never had intimate embraces. Yuu would be more sexually interested in a slice of moldy bread than Shinoa.

Also, I'm not into yaoi as much as I am yuri so I don't watch those Junjou Romantica series but even I can't deny how much tension is between Yuu and Mika.

Thess said:


He probably had an orgasm. I think Yuu considers Mika family like Shinoa and the others, but vampire feeding in Owari no Seraph is sexual, meant to thrill the vampire and the one they bite with an "immoral pleasure."