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| Why do people keep asking "how'd they manage to convict them?" Did they miss the entire idea that he was being purposefully set up to take the fall? And even the defense attorney was in on the whole thing? |
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| At everyone who think this is unrealistic, here is some reasoning for you: -People floating in the air -People using blood as their weapon -Weird Red Blood Crystals -An attraction park where prisoners get killed in games and the audience enjoying watching them -Post-apocalyptic future (Yes, Japan is messed up after "that" incident) Is it so unbelievable that one of the most powerful institution in the country has set up the murder in an already corrupted judicial system? Put yourself in the CONTEXT of the story, which is, obviously not realistic. Lind_L_Tailor said: Siva said: As for the serious unbelievable plot set up, I mean if a government allowed some people to use prisoner as a toy for business then being an idiot sitting on those seat and pretend to be a judge is not unreasonable to me. On the one hand, that is true. On the other hand, that is an enourmous "if" right there. I think you are mixing fiction and reality. This is not a documentary. In the context of the series, it's not an "If", it is the truth. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Lol at her size G boobs. Sure the black screen was annoying but it's too gory for TV so they have to do that people. Go look at the manga and be shocked at what the darkness covered. |
| Wanna read the"To aru majutsu no index" Light novels in English? Go here. http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=To_Aru_Majutsu_no_Index  |
| ITT: People who didn't read the manga whining about how unrealistic the trial was. If they're really that nitpicky about an obviously condensed adaptation, then they're not doing themselves or the fans any favors by continuing to watch it. Well, they'll drop it, or they won't. But, on topic, I think that this episode was a fairly good start. I'm not sure how their going to end up fitting a significant amount of the plot in with only 11 more episodes to go at the pace they're going. But I think that I'd prefer that they do a halfway decent job covering what they do get to rather than trying to squeeze everything in. They managed to stay pretty faithful to the art style and everything looks as I imagined it would. Ganta looks a little different, but I'd say that it's an improvement. |
| I haven't read the manga yet but I really liked the first episode. |
| Its been a while since I last read the manga, and was kinda looking forward to this. However, this first episode felt a bit "off". I didn't quite feel the dystopic atmosphere that the first chapter of the manga was able to set up. Which is probably why so many of the comments here are criticizing the trial. Also, the trial was dragged out too long. In the manga Ganta went from the hospital to the courtroom then to Wonderland almost simultaneously. I dont even remember that video evidence of an imposter being used in the manga. But I'll give this a few more episodes. If I don't like the adaption, I'll just go back and continue reading the manga. |
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Trie said: Also, the trial was dragged out too long. In the manga Ganta went from the hospital to the courtroom then to Wonderland almost simultaneously. I dont even remember that video evidence of an imposter being used in the manga. i can definitely see this show being "BASHED" more if they stick to that, seriously. by adding that scene, w/ Ganta saying "he really did the crime" that's an "enough and concrete evidence" really for him to be persecuted, w/o that, the "trying to be intelligent beings up there" will rage more and say that's pretty illogical and they haven't heard of "scapegoats" really, it's like their living in their own country where in the judiciary system is perfect and all the evidences are shown generally to the public, you'll never know if it's planted, you'll never if he's really the killer, the only who can tell are "witnesses" "camera evidences" and the "victim" himself/herself, but you still can't believe her/him bec. the police might have threatened her/him and force her/him to point at someone as the perpetrator. and this an ANIME, seriously after experiencing tons of anime titles you wouldn't be expecting a sense of "realism" in them, honestly "Natsu defeating Laxus out of nowhere" is much more questionable ^^ |
| Simplistic beauty can't be appreciated by someone who looks for something grand in everything he watch. |
| Good episode. Highly enjoyable. MaxCrazy7 said: I really do not like unbelievable accusation like that how could he kill all these students? In that horrific way nonetheless. This was my only complaint. Oh well, I'll suspend my disbelief. |
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AmberFebruary said: Trie said: Also, the trial was dragged out too long. In the manga Ganta went from the hospital to the courtroom then to Wonderland almost simultaneously. I dont even remember that video evidence of an imposter being used in the manga. i can definitely see this show being "BASHED" more if they stick to that, seriously. Yeah, but the way the manga handled it, no elaboration was really needed on the trial. More emphasize was given to Ganta's mental state. It also enhanced the atmosphere by making things feel more mysterious and Ganta seem completely helpless. We could already somewhat assume that the event wasn't completely random and that Ganta was meant to be taken to DW. |
TrieApr 18, 2011 12:46 AM
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wakka9ca said: At everyone who think this is unrealistic, here is some reasoning for you: -People floating in the air -People using blood as their weapon -Weird Red Blood Crystals -An attraction park where prisoners get killed in games and the audience enjoying watching them -Post-apocalyptic future (Yes, Japan is messed up after "that" incident) Is it so unbelievable that one of the most powerful institution in the country has set up the murder in an already corrupted judicial system? Put yourself in the CONTEXT of the story, which is, obviously not realistic. Lind_L_Tailor said: Siva said: As for the serious unbelievable plot set up, I mean if a government allowed some people to use prisoner as a toy for business then being an idiot sitting on those seat and pretend to be a judge is not unreasonable to me. On the one hand, that is true. On the other hand, that is an enourmous "if" right there. I think you are mixing fiction and reality. This is not a documentary. In the context of the series, it's not an "If", it is the truth. Yeah it looks like people don't get the concept of what is happening. And the most funny part is that in many cases that "if" about the judges comes true even in our world. I swear the problem with people on MAL is that most are teenagers that grew-up in a nice bumble by their parents. |
StormViruz said: Same seiyuu, HanaKana, and the clothing and hair really do reamind of C.C.And this Shiro reminds me of Nessa from Fractale + CC in white version. :D DmonHiro said: That is assuming you did figure it out. Maybe you think you did... No one can truly know, least of all you.I figured out who the red guy was by the end of the episode. Yes, it's THAT obvious, but I won't spoil it. |
| It was one of the worst first episodes of the season. I don't really understand how you could believe such an improbable plot and appreciate such an unappealing concept that goes entirely against all the laws of storytelling just to create a lame Battle Royale-like concept. On top of that, there's no real production value and the original work is done by the guys that butchered Eureka Seven's story in the (extremely bad) manga adaptation. Manglobe is really going down lately. |
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-Arthur said: But damn, it's beyond my understanding how can they even believe that that kind of boy could kill 29 classmates ? :D I know right...but comes to tell how corrupted the world is. Good show, I liked. |
iWishTifaWasReal said: anyway, this was really good, BUUUUT i dont like <b>animation or the art</b>. it doesnt look like the manga's art style, well i guess thats okay because THANK GOD they made SHIRO look like Ganta's age range. in the manga she looked like 17 yrs old -,- same here. Yamada Masaki did a bad job I would say, picturing both main characters. I think other way around, Ganta looked more like 18 yrs old, not a 14 yrs old boy! Shiro & Ganta in the anime are less cute than the manga.. the background music is also awesome. NARASAKI has done a good job in Liar Game jdrama. nirgilis as ending theme song is a reminiscence of Eureka Seven. I have read the manga until volume 3 so far, and I think I like the manga more than the anime based on the first episode. 12 episodes are not enough, I hope there would be second season. |
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| That was just bad... |
Lind_L_Tailor said: AidanAK47 said: Which explains why there was no forensic evidence of one, nor any trace of him having brought it. You're welcome to say some shit like the police were in on it or something and planted stuff, but since it was never brought up in series that's utterly moot coverage.Ganta made a makeshift bomb from instructions found on the internet. I can't argue with that. It is moot coverage. Still it's a scenario that might help people get over the "How in the hell can a kid kill 29 people" question and go with the flow. |
 "I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila." |
Lind_L_Tailor said: You're welcome to say some shit like the police were in on it or something and planted stuff, but since it was never brought up in series that's utterly moot coverage. Hmm, so is the series supposed to tell the story in an absolutely omniscient way? In other words, should it have shown the audience the bad guys having a secret meeting with the judges and polices and explain to them why they wanted Ganta in DW? Come on, what part of this episode was it NOT apparent that the whole thing is OBVIOUSLY RIGGED. We are talking about high-level confidential existence of the Wretched Egg here. And if you think Ganta is your average boy randomly selected....LOL. This is entertainment. Once again I repeat that it does not have anything to do with reality. If DW did not have all that blood abilities, then they may tone down the "boy who killed 29" setup. But then again, we are talking about a different world here. Some of you so hellbent on this "unrealistic" trial when in this world, one can bring children in an attraction park to see criminals suffer. And you see no problem in that :/ |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Romi Paku.... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! Get the fuck out of my fucking anime! I am so God damn tired of hearing every young male having the same God damn voice! |
| i wonder how far story will follow the manga. 12 eposide is damn short :/ |
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Dusk252 said: You're completely missing the point. Namely, the aspects that do not differ from reality, and how they are bungled so badly that the suspension of disbelief is impossible to maintain for anytone with half a brain.I have one thing to say in this thread: People, if you're looking for plot holes, search them within the anime's context, do NOT compare it to reality. Seriously, you're watching a fictional story! If something is unrealistic and/or contradicts itself in the world set up by the anime, then it's reasonable to complain. But someone getting framed for a murder, in some kind of post-apocalyptic world where the judicial system is obviously corrupted and people seem to be back to the gladiators era is perfectly conceivable, in my opinion. |
| 29 kids got killed brutally. OH YEAH, I BET THE ONE KID DID IT, I'M SURE A 13 YEAR OLD KID WOULD BE ABLE TO MASSACRE AN ENTIRE CLASS. WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE, OH WELL, DEATH SENTENCE. I wonder what the author'd been smoking while writing this. Well, at least Kana Hanazawa is in this. |
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wakka9ca said: That is some realistic logic there :D...one can bring children in an attraction park to see criminals suffer. And you see no problem in that :/ |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| Kana Hanazawa <3 Good episode, pretty close to the manga, looking forward for more. |
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| The beginning was great, unlike Eureka Seven's beginning. Let's see how the story execution will continue, since it will have only 12 episodes. |
| Wow, this was a pretty deep episode for a first one. To me the main characters feel like the Fractale main characters. Because Shiro has the same seiyuu and Ganta sounds a bit like Clain to me. Also that dancing flower from that lawyer is very annoying. |
| This was preety good. Gonna follow this for sure but as many said the whole "1 student kills everyone and trashing the whole classroom in the process without explosions" is really stupid. |
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| Poor Ganta. I'm glad at least he found a friend in Shiro. Also loving Makina. She's one fierce lady. |
Lind_L_Tailor said: Dusk252 said: You're completely missing the point. Namely, the aspects that do not differ from reality, and how they are bungled so badly that the suspension of disbelief is impossible to maintain for anytone with half a brain.I have one thing to say in this thread: People, if you're looking for plot holes, search them within the anime's context, do NOT compare it to reality. Seriously, you're watching a fictional story! If something is unrealistic and/or contradicts itself in the world set up by the anime, then it's reasonable to complain. But someone getting framed for a murder, in some kind of post-apocalyptic world where the judicial system is obviously corrupted and people seem to be back to the gladiators era is perfectly conceivable, in my opinion. Oh! please stop trying to be such a smartass. From when did you form a full opinion of what aspects of this world interact completely with our reality when it was just the first episode? And even in reality when the system(police,judges etc) is corrupted they can make pigs fly. Who cares how the scene looked when the police doesn't bother investigating seriously or they even want to frame a person. They wanted to throw him in jail and they did it. If you think that's unrealistic then you only judge "realism" by serious movies and books that try to be very realistic and not by real reality. Because believe me reality is a lot more unrealistic than you think. There are cases and events that happened in reality that if a guy like you saw them in an anime would be objecting on how unrealistic they are. Reality is more outrageous than your own mediocre life experiences. And in the end is still pointless because the show never claimed that the system works like in our world, and is naive to judge the whole image of it's world from the first episode. |
| Nice start, I want more. |
| Wow, that was a whole lot of unfairness right there! How could they even believe that he would and even be able to kill 29 of his fellow students! Sense... this makes none... T_T I wonder what that stone in his chest is though. It looks like he got some kind of power, but why would the killer give that to him? I'm also curious who that Shinko girl actually is, how she knows him and why she looks so much like his friend. So it looks like candy lengthens your life span by adding hours to your collar? He'll have to participate in events to earn that candy. I'm interested in how this is going to progress. |
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| I don't see how a kid is capable of doing such a thing, even with that fake video. How could they think he could possibly do decapitate 29 kids? Besides that, I'm very interested. Ah the censoring was fucking annoying, but I guess that secures my buy if this anime holds up. |
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Monad said: Lind_L_Tailor said: Dusk252 said: You're completely missing the point. Namely, the aspects that do not differ from reality, and how they are bungled so badly that the suspension of disbelief is impossible to maintain for anytone with half a brain.I have one thing to say in this thread: People, if you're looking for plot holes, search them within the anime's context, do NOT compare it to reality. Seriously, you're watching a fictional story! If something is unrealistic and/or contradicts itself in the world set up by the anime, then it's reasonable to complain. But someone getting framed for a murder, in some kind of post-apocalyptic world where the judicial system is obviously corrupted and people seem to be back to the gladiators era is perfectly conceivable, in my opinion. Oh! please stop trying to be such a smartass. From when did you form a full opinion of what aspects of this world interact completely with our reality when it was just the first episode? And even in reality when the system(police,judges etc) is corrupted they can make pigs fly. Who cares how the scene looked when the police doesn't bother investigating seriously or they even want to frame a person. They wanted to throw him in jail and they did it. If you think that's unrealistic then you only judge "realism" by serious movies and books that try to be very realistic and not by real reality. Because believe me reality is a lot more unrealistic than you think. There are cases and events that happened in reality that if a guy like you saw them in an anime would be objecting on how unrealistic they are. Reality is more outrageous than your own mediocre life experiences. And in the end is still pointless because the show never claimed that the system works like in our world, and is naive to judge the whole image of it's world from the first episode. Yeah, way to try and distract from the point. The character reactions still make no sense. If the police were completely corrupt in their job and made shit up, this is a reality I can easily accept. The problem is that this is not for one second a reality we're presented with. With the absence of these points being brought up, they are not fuel for the defense, but plotholes. Also, I think you mean "stop being such a smartass". I'm completely succeeding and you know it. Trying isn't the word. |
| First four minutes = O_O Rest of the first half = o_O Second half = OMFG SHIRO IS SO CUTE!!! Oh, who else immediately recognized the voice in the ED from Eureka Seven's fourth OP? :D Cherry brossom~ cherry brossom~ |
| Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember her, you are not alone. |
| As a big fan of the manga, I obviously loved it. |
| wtf i saw. the stupid white hair girl made no sense , hope she does later. |
| blood/gore..... Me like.... |
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anteUp said: Like everyone else, I have high hopes for this anime. anteUp said: Like everyone else, anteUp said: everyone else You clearly didn't read this topic. |
| I'll throw my thoughts out there. - The episode felt rushed. - It pretty obvious the court case was rigged. - There seems to be inconsistencies with Shiro's abilities. She gracefully lands after jumping off the top of the building, then skillfully disables one of Ganta's attackers, yet she is easily knocked unconscious with the shovel. - The bra size question was pretty funny. Although, as a admirer of the female form, I have to say that I am tired of overly disproportionate breasts. From this point forward I will mentally refer to Makina as tittymcgiggles. - Having never read the manga, I look forward to seeing what other abilities Ganta/Red Man possess. My assumptions: - There are other creatures similar to the Red Man. - The candy is some sort of physiological drug. I'm looking forward to the next episode. |
Lind_L_Tailor said: Monad said: Lind_L_Tailor said: Dusk252 said: You're completely missing the point. Namely, the aspects that do not differ from reality, and how they are bungled so badly that the suspension of disbelief is impossible to maintain for anytone with half a brain.I have one thing to say in this thread: People, if you're looking for plot holes, search them within the anime's context, do NOT compare it to reality. Seriously, you're watching a fictional story! If something is unrealistic and/or contradicts itself in the world set up by the anime, then it's reasonable to complain. But someone getting framed for a murder, in some kind of post-apocalyptic world where the judicial system is obviously corrupted and people seem to be back to the gladiators era is perfectly conceivable, in my opinion. Oh! please stop trying to be such a smartass. From when did you form a full opinion of what aspects of this world interact completely with our reality when it was just the first episode? And even in reality when the system(police,judges etc) is corrupted they can make pigs fly. Who cares how the scene looked when the police doesn't bother investigating seriously or they even want to frame a person. They wanted to throw him in jail and they did it. If you think that's unrealistic then you only judge "realism" by serious movies and books that try to be very realistic and not by real reality. Because believe me reality is a lot more unrealistic than you think. There are cases and events that happened in reality that if a guy like you saw them in an anime would be objecting on how unrealistic they are. Reality is more outrageous than your own mediocre life experiences. And in the end is still pointless because the show never claimed that the system works like in our world, and is naive to judge the whole image of it's world from the first episode. Yeah, way to try and distract from the point. The character reactions still make no sense. If the police were completely corrupt in their job and made shit up, this is a reality I can easily accept. The problem is that this is not for one second a reality we're presented with. With the absence of these points being brought up, they are not fuel for the defense, but plotholes. Also, I think you mean "stop being such a smartass". I'm completely succeeding and you know it. Trying isn't the word. This is not a reality you are presented with? Are you shitting me? Did you not see a whole fake video confession? Did you not see they arrested him before they even interrogate him about the events? Didn't we all see they asked no questions and just arrested the only person alive at the scene? This can only mean three things. Ether they were in on it. Someone with power pushed the video on them and told them to search no further, that also basically makes them in on it. Or after 29 dead children and under the pressure of society asking for the head of someone, they just threw him under the bus since it was the only suspect they had and the video the only evidence that pointed to someone responsible. Was that so hard to conclude and the anime has to show you every little detail? If you need everything spell out to you maybe the ones not seeing the plot holes you supposedly see aren't the ones with half the brain. The show clearly send the message that whatever send him there was not typical situation. I don't get why it needs to give any more excuse than that. Who did what and who is behind everything, may well be something for future episodes so obviously they wouldn't throw everything on your laps. Your argument is invalid and you have no leg to stand on. From the moment they showed how easily he was arrested and that fake video, the anime completely escaped any plot-hole problem because the indication of an unclear situation was established. |
MonadApr 19, 2011 12:25 PM
Monad said: This happened after the case was taken to court. The fact that Ganta was surprised by this can only mean that the video was not in any way a part of the court case. It would have been brought up prior. There is no conceivable way that Ganta could have only found out about it then if it was actually a factor in the court case.This is not a reality you are presented with? Are you shitting me? Did you know not sse a whole fake video confession? You're forgetting that I'm not saying the police aren't corrupt (they obviously are), but they did not specifically avoid any of the things that caused said plotholes. And again, you're retracing past steps. The problem is not that the police were corrupt, the problem is that the police got away with such a retarded scheme. You're also forgetting that society is made up of a large number of individuals, and not all of them were so grief-stricken that every factor of logic in their brain shut down. This would also by all accounts be a well-publicized case. And since you keep retracing and missing the point, allow me to bullet the issues that are currently uncountered: -Nobody questions the gaps in the prosecution's argument -Anything said in the video is irrelevant to the court's sentence, since it was shown afterwards and can't have been shown before -The issue of the explosion is 100% unexplained |
Lind_L_Tailor said: -Nobody questions the gaps in the prosecution's argument -Anything said in the video is irrelevant to the court's sentence, since it was shown afterwards and can't have been shown before -The issue of the explosion is 100% unexplained First of all, this is not a detective story. In other words, it does not have to explain every single detail to the audience. That's not the point of the series. It's not about how the main protagonist got framed, it's about what happens after that. Anyone can see that it was a plot device to create the settings. Then again, why wouldn't they NOT believe the authority? Not everyone is a conspiracy theorist. No one said the evidence was not there. It's very easy to make up an evidence if a powerful group (one that controls Japan) agrees to it. Also, why would the public or anyone care about the main character at all? They don't even care if prisoners are treated like toys and circus amusements. In fact, the public enjoy Deadman Wonderland. Obviously whatever human right group's presence is so negligible that DW can run for years without problems. We are talking about a different Japan, one that completely changed after the the incident. A completely corrupted society on all levels. The norms of the society as a whole changed. What is not normal today doesn't mean it's not normal in that world. If you meet some of the inmates in the prison, you'll wonder. As far you may know, the main character is far from being the only child in the prison, nor is he the only child on the death row. It's a common thing in the world created by the author LOL. Also by this mentality, controlling blood defies any scientific theory I know of. This series must be shit and full of plot holes then. Overall, anime is unrealistic. It's so full of bullshit and improbable plot holes. Using this ideology, I can bash any of the series you can throw at me. |
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